Does any one know about H.T?
- Thread starter Abu Talib
- Start date
Wa`alaykum us-salaam
I cannot agree with that part. They are a the mu`tazilah in our times, seeing that they have the same beliefs as them (denying the punishment of the grave). They know more about politics (from a non-Islamic perspective) and politicians than Sunnah and the Sahaabah...
Assalamu'alaykum wa rahmatullaah,
I don't know a great deal about HT, but I know enough to never join them. Sometimes its difficult to point out deviant elements in their 'Aqeedah because you could meet a member who doesn't hold that particular view at all.
Their intention to re-establish Khialfah is a noble one, something that always put me off them however was their constant utilisation of music to promote their message, its not okay to do that. Are they trying to establish an Islaamic system on foundations contrary to the tenets of the faith? That is pure folly.
I think back in the days of the Iranian Revolution they asked Ayatollah Khomeni to lead the muslims or something - very worrying! Its almost as if as long as you believe in establishing Khilafah, you can join them regardless of your 'Aqeedah!
Problematic stuff ..and like I said, I know very little about them, but to know the above is enough for me.
May Allaah save us from these sects Ameen.
Wa-alaykum assalam
I don't know a great deal about HT, but I know enough to never join them. Sometimes its difficult to point out deviant elements in their 'Aqeedah because you could meet a member who doesn't hold that particular view at all.
Their intention to re-establish Khialfah is a noble one, something that always put me off them however was their constant utilisation of music to promote their message, its not okay to do that. Are they trying to establish an Islaamic system on foundations contrary to the tenets of the faith? That is pure folly.
I think back in the days of the Iranian Revolution they asked Ayatollah Khomeni to lead the muslims or something - very worrying! Its almost as if as long as you believe in establishing Khilafah, you can join them regardless of your 'Aqeedah!
Problematic stuff ..and like I said, I know very little about them, but to know the above is enough for me.
May Allaah save us from these sects Ameen.
Wa-alaykum assalam
As-salaamu `alaykum
The music thing you mentioned reminds me of a story, a known story circulated here, about a HT member who was so adamant on preaching that he followed someone into a club... for daw`ah... A club!? This is what they're like. They talk khilaafah but don't enjoin what it takes to establish khilaafah on themselves. They are the first to cry about the condition of the ummah and the war against islaam, while they themselves are for example, waging war against Allaah and His Messenger through interest... But that is more-so there members, the organisation is another (similar) story.
The music thing you mentioned reminds me of a story, a known story circulated here, about a HT member who was so adamant on preaching that he followed someone into a club... for daw`ah... A club!? This is what they're like. They talk khilaafah but don't enjoin what it takes to establish khilaafah on themselves. They are the first to cry about the condition of the ummah and the war against islaam, while they themselves are for example, waging war against Allaah and His Messenger through interest... But that is more-so there members, the organisation is another (similar) story.
Yes I have done research and found out the same reason as you said about them. Some of my friends have joined them they often quote hadith and say who ever dies without the allegiance to the khalifah dies as a Jahaliyyah.
They also criticize all muslim nations as they do nothing for Palestine and say many scholars are scared to talk about Khilafah and its a very important thing in Islam. They say shariah can't be imposed without a Islamic State and today there is no Islamic state.
As-salaamu `alaykum
Look over what you typed. In summary, it's truth mixed with childish nonsense, a prime characteristic of the HT. A Shaykh once stated that there members are always between 15-35... In other words, it's a phase.
Yes I do agree with that bro but they have also answers to these. Often quotes from hadith I did PM you check it
I need to refute these people.
They can answer as much as they want, but as a fact it holds lol. Look at the numbers of people who grow out of their foolishness. The one's who tend to stay are those who indulge in the haraam in virtually many affairs, more than half of those I've met cannot be distinguished from the kuffaar in appearance.. then [on the weekend] they try to manifest some Islaam through their political ideas. It is as if they are saying, "I am not to blame myself for my sins and negligence of Islaam, rather khilaafah will remove them and lead to my righteousness, so we need to focus on that". If you want to refute them, compare them to the mu`tazilah who they began from, and observe how they think like them...