'100 percent' chance for life on newly found planet?

[Ibn Uthaymin]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/30/100-percent-chance-for-life-on-newly-found-planet/?hpt=T2

This is awesome!

Gliese 581g may be the new Earth.

A team of astronomers from the University of California and the Carnegie Institute of Washington say they've found a planet like ours, 20 light years (120 trillion miles) from Earth, where the basic conditions for life are good.

"The chances for life on this planet are 100 percent," Steven Vogt, a UC professor of astronomy and astrophysics says. "I have almost no doubt about it."

The planet is three times the size of Earth, but the gravity is similar.

Dr. Elizabeth Cunningham, planetarium astronomer at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, says the discovery is a huge deal.

"It could have liquid water on the surface," she said. "That's the first step to find life."
There are hundreds of known extrasolar planets that have been discovered in the Milky Way, but this is the first that could support life.

Earthlings won't be traveling to Gliese 581g any time soon unfortunately. Scientists say a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light would take 20 years to make this journey.

But if we did - we'd find some other things familiar. The atmosphere and gravity are similar to Earth, and if you're from the polar regions, you'd definitely feel right at home. Scientists say the highest average temperature is about -12 degrees Celcius (10 Fahrenheit), but they point out that the planet doesn't have a night and day - one side continually faces the star and the other side faces the darkness of space. This means one side is blazing hot and the other freezing cold.

Gliese orbits a red dwarf star called Gliese 581. Cunningham says "it's a Goldilocks planet."

"It's not too hot, it's not too cold, it's just right" for water to form, Cunningham said.

The area is called the "Goldilocks zone."

Other planets near Gliese 581g have been discovered, but they are not habitable and are mainly comprised of gas. Gliese 581g, however, is a rocky planet.

It was discovered using the Keck telescope in Hawaii which has been observing the star Gliese 581 for 11 years.

"Keck's long-term observations of the wobble of nearby stars enabled the detection of this multi-planetary system," said Mario R. Perez, Keck program scientist at NASA headquarters in Washington.

Astronomers are excited this new planet was discovered so fast and relatively close by.

"I'm surprised we found one so fast," Cunningham said. "The implication is either we were very lucky or these planets could be relatively common."

Gliese 581g is in the constellation of Libra. While Earth takes 365 days to orbit our star, the sun, Gliese 581g orbits its star in 37 days.

 

[ShahnazZ]

SubhanAllah this just provides that tiny glimpse into the realm of the unknown that only Allah SWT is aware of.

I always believed it was arrogant for us on Earth to assume that out of the billions of planets created by Allah SWT, we were the only ones with life. It just doesn't seem physically possible that out of the hundreds and hundreds of planets with properties similar to ours, that we would be the only one with life.

Plus, as Surah Fatiha states, Allah SWT is Rabb al-ALAMEEN. That's worldS, not world. Of course, we know this includes the worlds of human and jinn but walahu alam. Who knows exactly which other worlds it refers to?

 

[Idris16]

^
World of Animals.. Dont some call it that?

 

[Amir_of_spain]

Asalam wailkium.

Do not let such articles dazzle you with sci-fi imagery. The same scientist has said in a another article that he has been criticised by his fellow scientists for stating that he believes this ie '100%' claim of life on that planet, and then goes onto state it is merely his personal opinion.

Shahnazz "I always believed it was arrogant for us on Earth to assume that out of the billions of planets created by Allah SWT, we were the only ones with life."

= It is also arrogant to say for certainty that there is other life out there, when you haven't even verified it. Allah also says Mankind is is best creation, hence the opposite view can be also true that there is no extra life, and that the billions of stars and planets we found outside are only meant to show how we are limited in our knowledge about the Universe and how truly majestic is the lord of the heavens and Earth is.

Amir of Mars.

 

[ShahnazZ]

^
World of Animals.. Dont some call it that?

Perhaps. I'm not sure.

Asalam wailkium.

Shahnazz "I always believed it was arrogant for us on Earth to assume that out of the billions of planets created by Allah SWT, we were the only ones with life."

= It is also arrogant to say for certainty that there is other life out there, when you haven't even verified it.

Yeah, I don't think anyone came out and said there IS indeed life on this planet. What they said was there's a HIGH chance that life could exist on this planet since the conditions make it plausible for it to be so. Looking at signs and making observations isn't arrogance; it's common sense.

Allah also says Mankind is is best creation, hence the opposite view can be also true that there is no extra life, and that the billions of stars and planets we found outside are only meant to show how we are limited in our knowledge about the Universe and how truly majestic is the lord of the heavens and Earth is.

I'm not going to argue the Words of Allah because I'm not a scholar and I personally don't feel comfortable analyzing His Words. However, your statement regarding the stars and planets basically proves my point. We ARE limited in knowledge about the universe and how truly majestic Allah SWT really is. Thus, it is HIGHLY POSSIBLE that things exist in the universe that we have no knowledge of AND it just adds to the Majesty of Allah SWT. We haven't even begun to figure out the mysteries of life and to assume we know it all is what I believe arrogance truly is.

 

[Almaas]

Asalaamu'alaykum.

Sis Shahnaz, I totally get you, I've wondered the same, i.e. are there any other human-like lifeorms, with free will and free thinking minds? But I doubt there actually is.

Plus, as Surah Fatiha states, Allah SWT is Rabb al-ALAMEEN. That's worldS, not world. Of course, we know this includes the worlds of human and jinn but walahu alam. Who knows exactly which other worlds it refers to?

I thought it was refrering to the hereafter, as well as this world.

 

[Tabassum07]

I thought it would be another SIGN of Allah: That with the Universe so huge and vast, only the Earth would hold life because it's as Allah wills - I like to see it as a testament that scientists can search and search and not come up with anything. They like to think that just proper conditions make life, but the Universe isn't just coincidence.

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

salam,

lol, this topic gave me tickles, i dont know why i smiled at it and reading all the messages.

i think its because i usually sit and ponder about the universe and say and think and imagine, how and subhan allah, and why and is there anything else etc.

the prophet (saw) use to ponder about the universe too. thats when Gabriel (aws) visited him first. the prophet (saw) use to visit this specific cave and spend the night pondering. i heard it is very good to ponder and imagine etc because it brings you closer to Allah as in you start to believe and understand the strength and power our lord has. and start to appreciate and fear it.

i always wanted to know if Aliens exist?????? after hearing and seeing what people claim they witness Aliens and i read the stories of people seeing the UFO etc, i say 'subhan allah, it is not mentioned anywhere in Islam that UFO exist, so im not allowed to believe in it but i can ponder and think and imagine if Allah created them and if they exist without believing 100% that they do. so i think what everyone is saying in relation to wondering if there is life anywhere else other than this world and about the WORLDS Allah mentions, i think its not really we are guessing or assuming, but we are imagining, picturing, trying to figure out, saying subhan allah, what else could be out there' i think this is the intention of us isnt it? well, this is pondering and i dont find anything wrong with it. but please brothers and sisters, correct me if im wrong because this is just what i think based on what i learnt about pondering.

salam to all.

 

[arzafar]

look you have to take such things with a few sacks of salt. personally i dont like all that salt but whatever.

 

[Beto]

I always believed it was arrogant for us on Earth to assume that out of the billions of planets created by Allah SWT, we were the only ones with life. It just doesn't seem physically possible that out of the hundreds and hundreds of planets with properties similar to ours, that we would be the only one with life.

1) who was/is arrogant to assume exactly ? ( the muslim always know when he should say alahu alam )
2) why it is not physically possible that out of the hundreds and hundreds of planets with properties similar to ours, that we would be the only one with life? (is that too much on allah? i mean is it hard for him to do?)
3) the same here : what the purpose of neptune or march or any star/planet if there is no life on it ?
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this three points will make you and every one to try to understand the welling and the actions of allah by a human brain or human point of view and that is impossible

Plus, as Surah Fatiha states, Allah SWT is Rabb al-ALAMEEN. That's worldS, not world. Of course, we know this includes the worlds of human and jinn but walahu alam. Who knows exactly which other worlds it refers to?

al-ALAMEEN as in Surah Fatiha is a dual of singular alam "عالم" it is not plural

sorry for interrupting
salam alekum

 

[Beto]

sorry i cant edit my massege so i add new one

al-ALAMEEN is a plural not a dual .

 

[ShahnazZ]

1) who was/is arrogant to assume exactly ?

That's for anyone who assumes they know exactly what is "out there" without having any proof. Assuming you know everything = Arrogance

2) why it is not physically possible that out of the hundreds and hundreds of planets with properties similar to ours, that we would be the only one with life? (is that too much on allah? i mean is it hard for him to do?)

Um no. No one even hinted that it was beyond the capacity of the Creator. I have no idea how you even came to that conclusion.

3) the same here : what the purpose of neptune or march or any star/planet if there is no life on it ?)

Allahu Alam. That's the purpose of pondering. And it's easy to see that not every celestial body possesses life. But at the same time, it also shows us that not every celestial body is THE SAME. As in they have different climate variations, surface conditions, etc.

al-ALAMEEN as in Surah Fatiha is a dual of singular alam "عالم" it is not plural

Actually, it is plural. The dual is ALAMAYN.

 

[Amir_of_spain]

Asalam wailkium

Originally Posted by Beto
3) the same here : what the purpose of neptune or march or any star/planet if there is no life on it ?)


=Outer gas planets do act as barriers/shields for our Earth against incoming comets, metereorites, cosmic radiation (from supernovas) etc. That is one specific answer. Another more general answer which applies to almost all of nature is that whatever we study and learn about, that object reveals another insight into the power, glory and majesty of Allah al-mighty. Allah has many attributes, many mentioned in Quran, it is for the human being to see and learn about them in the practical real life. For example Allah says he is the lord of the worlds. 1400 years later, you are asking about the world of planet Neptune, however 1400 years earlier you might have been puzzled not seeing it in the real world. Thus anyone with a clean, pure healthy mind which god gives to 99% of us can see these attributes and accept their lord.

Amir of chocolate.

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Asalam wailkium



Amir of chocolate.

Walaykum assalam, you went from spain to mars to chocolate. Does that it make 150%?

 

[Munawar]

:salam2:

Allah (SWT) has already said in Holy Quran 14 hundred years ago what scientist are finding now:


اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَوَاتٍ وَمِنَ الْأَرْضِ مِثْلَهُنَّ يَتَنَزَّلُ الْأَمْرُ بَيْنَهُنَّ لِتَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَحَاطَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عِلْمًا

(65:12) Allah it is He Who created seven heavens, and, like them, the earth. His commandment descends among them. (All this is being stated so that you know) that Allah has power over everything, and that Allah encompasses all things in His knowledge.
Tafseer:
"And, like them, the earth." --- Does not mean that He created as many earths as the heavens; maybe, but it can also mean that He has also created several earths as He has created several heavens. "Of the earth- mean that just as this earth which is inhabited by man is serving as bed and cradle for the creatures living on it, so has AIlah made and set other earths also in the universe, which serve as beds and cradles for the creatures living on them. Moreover, there arc clear pointers in the Qur'an to the effect that living creatures are not found only on the earth but also in the heavens. (For instance, sec .Ash-Shura: 29 and E.N. SO on it). In other words! the countless stars and planets seen in the sky are not all lying desolate, but like the earth there are many among them which are inhabited.
From among the earliest commentators Ibn 'Abbas is the one, who had expressed this truth in the period when man was not even prepared to imagine that in the miverse there are other habitats also, apart from the earth, where rational creatures live. Even the scientists of today are yet in doubt about this being a reality, nothing to say of the people living 1500 years ago, That is why Ibn 'Abbas felt hesitant about whether he should say such a thing before the common people ar not, because he feared it might affect their 'faith. Mujahid says that when he was asked the meaning of this verse, he said: "If I give you the commentary of this verse, you will turn disbelievers, and your disbelief will be that you will deny it." Almost the same thing has been related from Sa'id bin Jubair, saying; 'Ibn 'Abbas said: what can be the guarantee that if I tell you its meaning, you would not turn disbelievers?" (lbn Jarir, 'Abd bin Humaid). However, Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim, Hakim and Baihaqi in Shu'ab al-Iman and Kitab al-Asma' was Sifat have cited, on the authority of Abud-Doha, this 'commentary from Ibn 'Abbas in different words: "In each of those earths there is a Prophet like your Prophet, an Adam like your Adam, a Noah like your Noah, an Abraham like your Abraham, and a Jesus like your Jesus." This tradition has been related by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bat and by Ibn Kathir in his Commentary, and Imam Dhahbi says: "It has been reported authentically, but in my knowledge none apart from Abud-Doha has related it; therefore, it is an uncommon and rare tradition." Some other scholars regard it as a falsehood and Mulla 'AIi; Qari, in his Maudu at Kabir (p. 19), has described it as a fabrication, and written: `Even if it is a tradition from Ibn 'Abbas, it is based on Israelite traditions." But the truth is that the actual reason why the people have rejected it is their regarding it as remote from reason and beyond understanding; otherwise there is nothing in it which may by itself be opposed to reason. Thus, 'Allama Alusi in his discussion of it in his commentary writes: "There is neither any intellectual barrier to taking it as correct nor religious. It only means that in every earth there is a creation which turns to its origin just as mankind in our earth turns to Adam (peace be upon him). and in every earth there are individuals, who are distinguished among others just as the Prophets Noah and Abraham (peace be upon them) are distinguished among us. " A little below the 'Allama writes: "The earths may be more than seven, and likewise the heavens also may not be only seven. To rest content with the number seven, which is an indivisible integer, does not necessarily negate the higher numbers." Then, about the distances between one heaven and another, which have been stated as five hundred years or so in some Ahadith. the 'Allama says: "This is not meant to gIve the exact measurement of the distances, but to express the tnrth in a manner easily comprehensible to the people."

The above Tafseer is from: Tafheem-ul-Quran.

 

[MohammedMaksudul]

:salam2:
It is better that we don't discuss much over the unseen and limit these to only imagination and praise Allah much for such a vast and mysterious Universe. Allah knows best what is out there and truly all these things are opinions and have no clear proof. As Allah, The Almighty has said that only He knows the Unseen.

 

[khangul]

It is better that we don't discuss much over the unseen and limit these to only imagination and praise Allah much for such a vast and mysterious Universe. Allah knows best what is out there and truly all these things are opinions and have no clear proof. As Allah, The Almighty has said that only He knows the Unseen.
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assalaamo alaikum, but ALLAH commanded us to discover it.

 

[WithAllahsPowers]

Quote:
It is better that we don't discuss much over the unseen and limit these to only imagination and praise Allah much for such a vast and mysterious Universe. Allah knows best what is out there and truly all these things are opinions and have no clear proof. As Allah, The Almighty has said that only He knows the Unseen.
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assalaamo alaikum, but ALLAH commanded us to discover it.QUOTE]


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after reading brother MohammedMaksudul message, i thought he was right and i liked what he said. then i read Khangul's message, and now im confused. is that true, are we really commanded to discover it? we think, imagine, ponder etc about the universe and what could be out there, that good because we are praising Allah and understanding how big Allahs powers suban wa talal are so thats okay to do but there are limits in doing this like brother MohammedMaksudul said. but should we actually be in search of it, and act upon it and try to discover like become science people or those who do this stuff and if you not a science person or anything we should be using our brain and put one and one together to help us discover this? but doesnt that mean we are guessing whats out there, and because Allah didnt mention much of it in the Quran, believing its out there isnt that haram.

i dont know, im dumb, just had all these thoughts and they wont go.

main question:

im trying to compare what Mohammed and Khangul said, because mashallah they both addressed great points and got me thinking. like above.

thank you brother Mohammed and Khangul for your opinions. subhan allah to me they are strong and mean alot. its because they got me thinking and thinking and pondering etc.

salam to all and thanks all for details information from quran and tafseer as to this topic, it really helps a person who always ponders and imagines because now we can proof our imagination or limit it or discover it.

thanks all for your opinions and thanks to the person who started this thread, may allah give you all reward. i love this thread.

mmm, so, is there a possible chance aliens exist? mmmm.

 

[khangul]

Quote:
It is better that we don't discuss much over the unseen and limit these to only imagination and praise Allah much for such a vast and mysterious Universe. Allah knows best what is out there and truly all these things are opinions and have no clear proof. As Allah, The Almighty has said that only He knows the Unseen.
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assalaamo alaikum, but ALLAH commanded us to discover it.QUOTE]


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after reading brother MohammedMaksudul message, i thought he was right and i liked what he said. then i read Khangul's message, and now im confused. is that true, are we really commanded to discover it? we think, imagine, ponder etc about the universe and what could be out there, that good because we are praising Allah and understanding how big Allahs powers suban wa talal are so thats okay to do but there are limits in doing this like brother MohammedMaksudul said. but should we actually be in search of it, and act upon it and try to discover like become science people or those who do this stuff and if you not a science person or anything we should be using our brain and put one and one together to help us discover this? but doesnt that mean we are guessing whats out there, and because Allah didnt mention much of it in the Quran, believing its out there isnt that haram.

i dont know, im dumb, just had all these thoughts and they wont go.

main question:

im trying to compare what Mohammed and Khangul said, because mashallah they both addressed great points and got me thinking. like above.

thank you brother Mohammed and Khangul for your opinions. subhan allah to me they are strong and mean alot. its because they got me thinking and thinking and pondering etc.

salam to all and thanks all for details information from quran and tafseer as to this topic, it really helps a person who always ponders and imagines because now we can proof our imagination or limit it or discover it.

thanks all for your opinions and thanks to the person who started this thread, may allah give you all reward. i love this thread.

mmm, so, is there a possible chance aliens exist? mmmm.

:salam2:

brother science actually came from science , here is a very useful article .


http://www.islamtomorrow.com/islam/science.htm

 

[ovomer]

may allaah swt provide all the tti members to go on this planet and recite quran over there and to offer salah. ameen.