Need help, kinda hard to explain?

[True_Sultan]

Salam brothers and sisters,

So I am almost done my first year in aerospace and I need to choose a specialization between propulsion and aerodynamics, aerospace vehicle structure, aerospace electronics and space systems. Now it should be easy for me because as we all know, i like the unknown. Well i wish it was easy. I was trying to simplify my thoughts. I reasoned that so far i thought my intuition for the unknown is because i wanna find out and maybe it can help humaity (like skywarp, warp drive, dark matter and such). And what ever pretains to the beyond/absolute/unseen is just idk..hard to explain (this is excluding the 5 items, as inshallah when we return to our lord, we will find out about the 5 ). Is this wrong reasoning? but then when i try to correct myself and look into the subject more, well i run into how u say websites with faulty information and some opinions made by some scholars, which isn't i guess somewhat trusted. So idk if im missing something here: is my definition of the ghayb wrong or is it that the beyond/unknown/absolute things like knowledge and secret to creation not the ghayb and that the unseen treasures are not the ghayb or the ghayb isn't something but its just a metaphorical word for the 5 items described in surat luqman? Help me fix myself xD


P.S. why is it that Islam is divided into sects, isnt Islam like one religion not multiple?

 

[Parvaiz]

:salam2:
Other brother sister may answer your first question ill just answer your last question
P.S. why is it that Islam is divided into sects, isnt Islam like one religion not multiple?

Islam has always been a single religion it doesn't have any sect in time of Prophet Muhammad it was just one .It is not a new thing to us Muslims or an surprise as we already know about it through the Prophet Muhammad Hadith ,he already has told us that there will be around 70 sect before the day of judgement but he also told us all will be in hell fire except one ,unto which people asked him who are they?Prophet Muhammad replied whoever follows Quran and my Sunnah.You shouldn't get deep into this if you aren't student of knowledge or else Shaytan is there to mess with your mind Just follow the path of Allah and his messenger which is the path to the paradise.

 

[True_Sultan]

:salam2:
Other brother sister may answer your first question ill just answer your last question
P.S. why is it that Islam is divided into sects, isnt Islam like one religion not multiple?

Islam has always been a single religion it doesn't have any sect in time of Prophet Muhammad it was just one .It is not a new thing to us Muslims or an surprise as we already know about it through the Prophet Muhammad Hadith ,he already has told us that there will be around 70 sect before the day of judgement but he also told us all will be in hell fire except one ,unto which people asked him who are they?Prophet Muhammad replied whoever follows Quran and my Sunnah.You shouldn't get deep into this if you aren't student of knowledge or else Shaytan is there or mess with your mind Just follow the path of Allah and his messenger which is the path to the paradise.

Yeah its true, i only follow the quran and sunnah, no one else, not even any other scholars or anything.

P.S. like other people will answer, i think they are fed up with me, but sadly, no matter how hard they try, they always repeat themselves, but it don't, make sense

 

[IHearIslam]

Yeah its true, i only follow the quran and sunnah, no one else, not even any other scholars or anything.

P.S. like other people will answer, i think they are fed up with me, but sadly, no matter how hard they try, they always repeat themselves, but it don't, make sense

I dont mean to be harsh....however, when you say "they always repeat themselves, but dont make sense" it is because MOST of us ARE not saying what pleases you. Almost all your threads are on your "intuation, or asparation" whatever you call them. I am not attacking you, I am just being frank and alhamdulillaah, so many brothers and sisters have been very patient with you....but brother to say that "they always repeat themselves and dont make sense" is to belittle their effort in trying to help you!! in away, I think you just offended people !
may Allaah help you in finding whatever you're looking for. I am done here, and oh please forgive if my word seem very harsh and if I am percieved to be mad. :astag:

 

[MutlekM]

Salam brothers and sisters,

So I am almost done my first year in aerospace and I need to choose a specialization between propulsion and aerodynamics, aerospace vehicle structure, aerospace electronics and space systems. Now it should be easy for me because as we all know, i like the unknown. Well i wish it was easy. I was trying to simplify my thoughts. I reasoned that so far i thought my intuition for the unknown is because i wanna find out and maybe it can help humaity (like skywarp, warp drive, dark matter and such). And what ever pretains to the beyond/absolute/unseen is just idk..hard to explain (this is excluding the 5 items, as inshallah when we return to our lord, we will find out about the 5 ). Is this wrong reasoning? but then when i try to correct myself and look into the subject more, well i run into how u say websites with faulty information and some opinions made by some scholars, which isn't i guess somewhat trusted. So idk if im missing something here: is my definition of the ghayb wrong or is it that the beyond/unknown/absolute things like knowledge and secret to creation not the ghayb and that the unseen treasures are not the ghayb or the ghayb isn't something but its just a metaphorical word for the 5 items described in surat luqman? Help me fix myself xD


P.S. why is it that Islam is divided into sects, isnt Islam like one religion not multiple?

Brother I had also tried to look into this "unknown" and let me tell you from personal experience of researching the "unknown" is that it only leads you astray and like brother/sister Parvaiz said the Shaytan will mess up your mind and he will lower your eman. unfortunately I learned this the hard way. Alhamdullilah I am better now and whatever Allaah wants you to know is in the ahadith and the Holy Quran. It is that simple it is just our stubbornness has us thinking there is more to life then the Quran and ahadith say. Although then you might say what is in the Quran and ahadith? That is when you need to open into the first page of the Quran and start from where everything begins which is in the beginning.
Peace

 

[Parvaiz]

Yeah its true, i only follow the quran and sunnah, no one else, not even any other scholars or anything.

P.S. like other people will answer, i think they are fed up with me, but sadly, no matter how hard they try, they always repeat themselves, but it don't, make sense

:salam2:
Now you made 2 mistakes there let me point out
First mistake by my statement i don't mean you stop following scholars as a whole or else you wont get the knowledge scholars are there for a reason.Follow those who follow the prophet Muhammad path mainly Salaf Scholars.
Second issue ,there you go shaytan already messing with your mind with opinions that give you enemies rather than friends etc.You should be thankful to them for helping you out so much ,no one is fed up of you shaytan makes you realize that ,and if you get into his though think life is on the wrong path.Also if you think i am fed up as i dint answer first question than your completely wrong, i just come here to answer religious matter worldly matter i keep away from them as much as i can ,that's what daily life is about these days.May Allah guide us all.Ameen

 

[True_Sultan]

I dont mean to be harsh....however, when you say "they always repeat themselves, but dont make sense" it is because MOST of us ARE not saying what pleases you. Almost all your threads are on your "intuation, or asparation" whatever you call them. I am not attacking you, I am just being frank and alhamdulillaah, so many brothers and sisters have been very patient with you....but brother to say that "they always repeat themselves and dont make sense" is to belittle their effort in trying to help you!! in away, I think you just offended people !
may Allaah help you in finding whatever you're looking for. I am done here, and oh please forgive if my word seem very harsh and if I am percieved to be mad. :astag:

Brother I had also tried to look into this "unknown" and let me tell you from personal experience of researching the "unknown" is that it only leads you astray and like brother/sister Parvaiz said the Shaytan will mess up your mind and he will lower your eman. unfortunately I learned this the hard way. Alhamdullilah I am better now and whatever Allaah wants you to know is in the ahadith and the Holy Quran. It is that simple it is just our stubbornness has us thinking there is more to life then the Quran and ahadith say. Although then you might say what is in the Quran and ahadith? That is when you need to open into the first page of the Quran and start from where everything begins which is in the beginning.
Peace

:salam2:
Now you made 2 mistakes there let me point out
First mistake by my statement i don't mean you stop following scholars as a whole or else you wont get the knowledge scholars are there for a reason.Follow those who follow the prophet Muhammad path mainly Salaf Scholars.
Second issue ,there you go shaytan already messing with your mind with opinions that give you enemies rather than friends etc.You should be thankful to them for helping you out so much ,no one is fed up of you shaytan makes you realize that ,and if you get into his though think life is on the wrong path.Also if you think i am fed up as i dint answer first question than your completely wrong, i just come here to answer religious matter worldly matter i keep away from them as much as i can ,that's what daily life is about these days.May Allah guide us all.Ameen

Im sorry for being obnoxious, but what u are acusing me of is not true, i wanna know if my definition of the ghayb is wrong or not. Okay so if you did read my threads, you know that I have this unexplained aspiration to find the unknown (since i was a kid i think), like idk how to explain, something infinite/beyond/unseen/unknown/enigma/ shudder type of thing, like beyond the universe and stuff..idk how to explain. So when ever i read the quran, the ayats like 6:59 and others really jumped out to me, like saying that the keys to the unseen are with God, unseen treasures that none know but he. I thought thats what my aspiration was. (by the way aspiration is the same as dreams/desires) and i got more hope when they said that a glimpse of the ghayb can be given, so i also thought it was infinite. So when i researched it, i got a site (aislam.org or something) that said the same thing and said the the ghayb was something like the attributes of allah, something beyond which belonged to god or something, and it said it was infinite knowledge/power or the capacity to creation/destruction. It also talked about the use of the book of knowledge (which is somehow related to teh ghayb) that stated that aslaf or some guy used it to bring a throne with a blink of an eye, by like compressing and expanding the universe. So that got to me more, but when i signed up here, people stated that they were wrong and the ghayb is only the 5 items stated in surat luqman (which scholars said our prophet said so). So i got confused more, and now i think i am messing up..so idk what to do. All my decision about my career was based on this dream, which frankly is so deep that idk, it confuses me. So please help me =)

 

[Parvaiz]

Im sorry for being obnoxious, but what u are acusing me of is not true, i wanna know if my definition of the ghayb is wrong or not. Okay so if you did read my threads, you know that I have this unexplained aspiration to find the unknown (since i was a kid i think), like idk how to explain, something infinite/beyond/unseen/unknown/enigma/ shudder type of thing, like beyond the universe and stuff..idk how to explain. So when ever i read the quran, the ayats like 6:59 and others really jumped out to me, like saying that the keys to the unseen are with God, unseen treasures that none know but he. I thought thats what my aspiration was. (by the way aspiration is the same as dreams/desires) and i got more hope when they said that a glimpse of the ghayb can be given, so i also thought it was infinite. So when i researched it, i got a site (aislam.org or something) that said the same thing and said the the ghayb was something like the attributes of allah, something beyond which belonged to god or something, and it said it was infinite knowledge/power or the capacity to creation/destruction. It also talked about the use of the book of knowledge (which is somehow related to teh ghayb) that stated that aslaf or some guy used it to bring a throne with a blink of an eye, by like compressing and expanding the universe. So that got to me more, but when i signed up here, people stated that they were wrong and the ghayb is only the 5 items stated in surat luqman (which scholars said our prophet said so). So i got confused more, and now i think i am messing up..so idk what to do. All my decision about my career was based on this dream, which frankly is so deep that idk, it confuses me. So please help me =)

:salam2:
No i havent read your other thread yet but ill just explain it simply by this thread

Going after Unseen knowledge will end you so far there might not be a way back .Allah says gayb belong to him and no one else ,Prophet Muhammed Also dint have it when Allah wanted he simply send Angel Jibreel to reveal it to Prophet Muhammed
Now people speaking on Unseen here is an perfect example

Surah Kahf verse 22
﴿سَيَقُولُونَ ثَلَـثَةٌ رَّابِعُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمْسَةٌ سَادِسُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ رَجْماً بِالْغَيْبِ وَيَقُولُونَسَبْعَةٌ وَثَامِنُهُمْ كَلْبُهُمْ قُل رَّبِّى أَعْلَمُ بِعِدَّتِهِم مَّا يَعْلَمُهُمْ إِلاَّ قَلِيلٌ فَلاَ تُمَارِ فِيهِمْ إِلاَّ مِرَآءً ظَـهِرًا وَلاَ تَسْتَفْتِ فِيهِمْ مِّنْهُمْ أَحَداً

(22. They say they were three, the dog being the fourth among them; and they say they were five, the dog being the sixth, guessing at the unseen; and they say they were seven, and the dog being the eighth. Say: "My Lord knows best their number; none knows them but a few.'' So debate not except with the clear proof. And consult not any of them (about the people of the Cave).

As you these people also wanted to know and just wanted to hit on the gahyb but they failed.Gahyb belongs to Allah alone and no one has any knowledge of it except him.I don't want o get deep into this as i am still student and don't wanna confuse myself also i need to do alot of studies when i am inshallah done may take years ill let you know.
Ill just give you some options which will lead you to the way out of Islam
You go behind gayb shaytan says
Q - Before world was created throne was on water .
A - Shaytan will tell you how is throne on water where was the water,how its possible for a throne to be on water.Etc Etc

Q - Prophet Muhammad Traveled to sky in no time like speed of light from Masjid Al Aqsa.
A - Shaytan says hows its even possible ,rocket the fastest of means of transport to the moon counts in months and years and moon being not far from earth ,rest though will come which i am atm not aware

Q - Where is Allah?
A - Allah is in the Sky and is steady on his throne.Shaytan says how is he steady on his throne where in the sky is the throne ?Why are the angels holding it when they aren't required?goes on.

List will continue and you will end no where i am telling you from now you will end being far from Islam if you believe in Allah you have to believe the gayhb exist whether your brain excepts it or not and its the thing which Allah is only aware of

It also talked about the use of the book of knowledge (which is somehow related to teh ghayb) that stated that aslaf or some guy used it to bring a throne with a blink of an eye, by like compressing and expanding the universe

where did you read that?

 

[True_Sultan]

:salam2:
No i havent read your other thread yet but ill just explain it simply by this thread

Going after Unseen knowledge will end you so far there might not be a way back .Allah says gayb belong to him and no one else ,Prophet Muhammed Also dint have it when Allah wanted he simply send Angel Jibreel to reveal it to Prophet Muhammed
Now people speaking on Unseen here is an perfect example



As you these people also wanted to know and just wanted to hit on the gahyb but they failed.Gahyb belongs to Allah alone and no one has any knowledge of it except him.I don't want o get deep into this as i am still student and don't wanna confuse myself also i need to do alot of studies when i am inshallah done may take years ill let you know.
Ill just give you some options which will lead you to the way out of Islam
You go behind gayb shaytan says
Q - Before world was created throne was on water .
A - Shaytan will tell you how is throne on water where was the water,how its possible for a throne to be on water.Etc Etc

Q - Prophet Muhammad Traveled to sky in no time like speed of light from Masjid Al Aqsa.
A - Shaytan says hows its even possible ,rocket the fastest of means of transport to the moon counts in months and years and moon being not far from earth ,rest though will come which i am atm not aware

Q - Where is Allah?
A - Allah is in the Sky and is steady on his throne.Shaytan says how is he steady on his throne where in the sky is the throne ?Why are the angels holding it when they aren't required?goes on.

List will continue and you will end no where i am telling you from now you will end being far from Islam if you believe in Allah you have to believe the gayhb exist whether your brain excepts it or not and its the thing which Allah is only aware of



where did you read that?

OKay, so this is the site where i read it from:

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter2/6.html


Also i see where you getting at. So your saying the ghayb exist, and it doesn't necessarily have to be knowledge of the hour? Then do we know what it is? is it the beyond/infinite/unknown/enigma i speak off? or is the ghayb something else? So wait, do you think my aspiration/dreams/desire shouldn't contain the ghayb, and maybe its just the mystery of the universe? By the way thanks for your time bro =)

 

[Parvaiz]

OKay, so this is the site where i read it from:

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter2/6.html


Also i see where you getting at. So your saying the ghayb exist, and it doesn't necessarily have to be knowledge of the hour? Then do we know what it is? is it the beyond/infinite/unknown/enigma i speak off? or is the ghayb something else? So wait, do you think my aspiration/dreams/desire shouldn't contain the ghayb, and maybe its just the mystery of the universe? By the way thanks for your time bro =)

:salam2:
I am not aware of your issue with aspiration/dream as i havent studied on that topic yet.
Gahyb doesn't mean last hour only
What will happen to you next min is gahyb
When will you die is gahyb
will it rain is gayhb
When will earthquake struck is gahyb
Will you die as Muslim or kafir is gayhb
When will hour come is gayhb
when will Prophet Isa will come is gayhb
Anything which we don't know is gayhb

No problem brother but i advise you to use your knowledge in a good way .
Take the knowledge Allah gave you ,the knowledge which he dint give simply belongs to him .Scientist named Einstein wasted his whole life ,why was universe created and he ended with a big fail which contradicted his own theories .So what what you have and simply leave what you dont have the knowledge .Whatever we humans needed to know Allah has revealed it through Quran and Hadith and its more than enough for us.

 

[True_Sultan]

:salam2:
I am not aware of your issue with aspiration/dream as i havent studied on that topic yet.
Gahyb doesn't mean last hour only
What will happen to you next min is gahyb
When will you die is gahyb
will it rain is gayhb
When will earthquake struck is gahyb
Will you die as Muslim or kafir is gayhb
When will hour come is gayhb
when will Prophet Isa will come is gayhb
Anything which we don't know is gayhb

No problem brother but i advise you to use your knowledge in a good way .
Take the knowledge Allah gave you ,the knowledge which he dint give simply belongs to him .Scientist named Einstein wasted his whole life ,why was universe created and he ended with a big fail which contradicted his own theories .So what what you have and simply leave what you dont have the knowledge .Whatever we humans needed to know Allah has revealed it through Quran and Hadith and its more than enough for us.

Salam brother. Yes I am aware of Einstein fail, and also there was a mathematician named Kantor or such, he commited suicide along with some other mathematician for unknown reasons as well, I will try not to become as crazy

I mean i just wanted to know if the aspiration I have is real or is it just mind tricks. So does this mean that dark energy/matter is ghayb as well? Also does the ghayb just mean unseen knowledge? So then why do they say its absolute/beyond or why its an unseen treasure? Like dark energy/matter is not known, but its a thing, you can use it, so does that mean the keys to the ghayb is also a thing? and absolute thing? Also can I ask you, do you think its just my mind playing tricks, and that i need to find another aspiration? I always wanted to explore and fly so yeah ;P

Like i thought maybe having and unknown aspiration and a calling to find the unknown, could make me different and more valuable..

 

[arzafar]

btw you should read this book by Robert Kiyosaki, titled "the cashflow quadrant"
It will give you a bigger picture of how the micro economy works and where you can fit in.

 

[True_Sultan]

btw you should read this book by Robert Kiyosaki, titled "the cashflow quadrant"
It will give you a bigger picture of how the micro economy works and where you can fit in.

Oh, lol thats awesome, but i thought maybe this aspiration would make me feel better...but anyways...idk, u think its crazy? To be honest, even though I'm trying to follow the quran and the sunnah, the ghayb (by its definition) can't just be unseen knowledge right? So u think i should stop aspiring for it? Can you please answer my question from previous post. I know it maybe repeating, but this answer could set my life straight =)

 

[True_Sultan]

Oh, lol thats awesome, but i thought maybe this aspiration would make me feel better...but anyways...idk, u think its crazy? To be honest, even though I'm trying to follow the quran and the sunnah, the ghayb (by its definition) can't just be unseen knowledge right? So u think i should stop aspiring for it? Can you please answer my question from previous post. I know it maybe repeating, but this answer could set my life straight =)

Awesome guys, so thanks to your previous post i think i figured out something. Maybe this is my aspiration, its a call, its a gift/curse, as it is latent and then dorment, but i gotta becareful as shaitian can deceive, but other then that, my thoughs are real, and inshallah i will succeed and try to achieve the unknown and understand it. Ami right? I am awesome

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:
Son we are created for a purpose ie. to worship Allah our creator , to love him with most humility to know him most Glorified ......When we are sincere in doing so when we know how poor are we towards the absolutly rich , how weak are we compared to the one with absolute power who created all and can do anything. When we work on our hearts to clean them from all traces of arrogance, superiority and folish claims:astag: , I think then... the doors of true understanding will be opened more widly and our steps will be on the straight path. Be carefull never overestimate our human ability . Allah choosed those who can understand the ghaiyb (Prophet Mohammad salla Allah alaihi wa salam) being the seal of them and tell about stick to his teachings and way and do what Alalh subhanahu wa taala wants you to do (have faith ,do good) ...I am sure you will have a brilliant future in serving humanity .....

with regards

 

[True_Sultan]

:salam2:
Son we are created for a purpose ie. to worship Allah our creator , to love him with most humility to know him most Glorified ......When we are sincere in doing so when we know how poor are we towards the absolutly rich , how weak are we compared to the one with absolute power who created all and can do anything. When we work on our hearts to clean them from all traces of arrogance, superiority and folish claims:astag: , I think then... the doors of true understanding will be opened more widly and our steps will be on the straight path. Be carefull never overestimate our human ability . Allah choosed those who can understand the ghaiyb (Prophet Mohammad salla Allah alaihi wa salam) being the seal of them and tell about stick to his teachings and way and do what Alalh subhanahu wa taala wants you to do (have faith ,do good) ...I am sure you will have a brilliant future in serving humanity .....

with regards

So in other words, your saying to continue with studies and be a good muslim and my answers to my aspiration will come? and i will succeed :muslim_child:

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:
I am sure of that the more you humble yourself to Allah the more clearness in your heart will be . Shaiytan can blow things in your mind but the light in your heart will clear the darkness. Believe me many tried before you they got nothing.......... but the comlete answer is in Quran and Sunna , and the complete person is our Prophet Mohammad salla Allahu alaihi wa salam .....lesson to Quran with a heart .

 

[mohamedkeshk]

look. no one will be able to discover the secrets of exictence and creation. for example, there won't be an equation which proves the existence of God because life is a system which contains every thing you need to know that there is a God , and your role is to faith not to discover the ghayb and discover an equation to prove the existence of God because at this point all people will be Muslim and life will be meaningless.

 

[True_Sultan]

:salam2:
I am sure of that the more you humble yourself to Allah the more clearness in your heart will be . Shaiytan can blow things in your mind but the light in your heart will clear the darkness. Believe me many tried before you they got nothing.......... but the comlete answer is in Quran and Sunna , and the complete person is our Prophet Mohammad salla Allahu alaihi wa salam .....lesson to Quran with a heart .

Yeah ur right sister.

look. no one will be able to discover the secrets of exictence and creation. for example, there won't be an equation which proves the existence of God because life is a system which contains every thing you need to know that there is a God , and your role is to faith not to discover the ghayb and discover an equation to prove the existence of God because at this point all people will be Muslim and life will be meaningless.

LOL, equation? Why is it an equation? with regards brother, thanks for the help =)