Beliefs in Taweez or Religious Symbols

mohammeduk_786

New Member
I am an indian, and yes Fadil e amal is Innovation and contains stuff out of Islamic circules.

I come from tabligh jamat side of beliefs and as being born in UK I don't really know much about Fadil e amal but I know it is corrupted. However unfortunately, the Indian and Pakistani muslims believe in some really wiered things about Islam especially black majic and extremely strong beliefs in spirtual healing and doing things by going to so called mullas and getting some spirtual things sorted using Qurani'c ayaths written on things such as paper and require you to do wear it etc.

I am well against any our Indian beliefs when it comes to Islam and my family and friends know this very well but no Indian mulsim have met understand or take it in, they say I will go to hell, because I don't believe what they believe about their beliefs.

The Imams are the worst one's who has made people beileve in things taken from their cultures and added it to Islamic faith.

The madhab I think is original or strong is Saudi Salafi, Shafi from Saudi Arabia and it seems the most understandable madhabs existing in these and the one that actually seem logical in their beliefs and clear to understand why things in Islamic faith are and why they are. I am sorry to heart anyone's feelings about certain communities but I wish people from these communities followed proper Islam as they should. I am not saying I am a proper believer but I will not believe in Innovations who ever or what ever ethnic group it comes from even if it comes from my own people.

May Allah gudie the whole Ummah

But what I have never understood is how come places like Turkey, Malaysia, Bahrain, Morroco, Syria, Iraq, Iran which are well known Muslim nations believe in similar things to what people follow as Sufism and Shia beliefs. :astag:
 
I am an indian, and yes Fadil e amal is Innovation and contains stuff out of Islamic circules.

I come from tabligh jamat side of beliefs and as being born in UK I don't really know much about Fadil e amal but I know it is corrupted. However unfortunately, the Indian and Pakistani muslims believe in some really wiered things about Islam especially black majic and extremely strong beliefs in spirtual healing and doing things by going to so called mullas and getting some spirtual things sorted using Qurani'c ayaths written on things such as paper and require you to do wear it etc.

I am well against any our Indian beliefs when it comes to Islam and my family and friends know this very well but no Indian mulsim have met understand or take it in, they say I will go to hell, because I don't believe what they believe about their beliefs.

The Imams are the worst one's who has made people beileve in things taken from their cultures and added it to Islamic faith.

The madhab I think is original or strong is Saudi Salafi, Shafi from Saudi Arabia and it seems the most understandable madhabs existing in these and the one that actually seem logical in their beliefs and clear to understand why things in Islamic faith are and why they are. I am sorry to heart anyone's feelings about certain communities but I wish people from these communities followed proper Islam as they should. I am not saying I am a proper believer but I will not believe in Innovations who ever or what ever ethnic group it comes from even if it comes from my own people.

May Allah gudie the whole Ummah

But what I have never understood is how come places like Turkey, Malaysia, Bahrain, Morroco, Syria, Iraq, Iran which are well known Muslim nations believe in similar things to what people follow as Sufism and Shia beliefs. :astag:


assalamualikum brother

brother be carefull whatever you said in your massege which is absoloutly related with your own opinion and not with quran and sunnah.

there are nothings which called tablighi jamat and their believe.
dont try to make a part in ummah , its a fitna and fitna is worst then killed a human being.this is not a free speech web site. its a website site which want evidence from quran and sunnah.
there is nothing like black magic in islam.
nobody are allowed to say you go to hell if you dont believe them.
to believe what are they doing is not the pillar of islam.
soo dont blame the olama´s by hearing some stupid dialouges of normal muslims.
and you are not allowed to use your thinking power on the topics of madhab.
you are not a shaikhul hadiths sooo there are a lot of things which you never read or heard in your life.
talk better with some olama´s before you give your own speech in such a nice web site.
i dont want to heart anybody by this massege.
i want to say that we should be careful before give our opinions we should know what the quran and sunnah says about it.
 

mohammeduk_786

New Member
OK I understand I apologies for using some phrases, but please advise me about taweez belief as I am finding it difficult to understand why soo many people from sub continent beileve. Why have Imams put such thoughts into people's heads that they should wear taweez if they want things to be better in life, I am not saying Imams are no good abviously they are workers of Islam but why all this, sorry I am just a bit confused and frustrated about the taweez stuff
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
BRother

The madhab I think is original or strong is Saudi Salafi, Shafi from Saudi Arabia and it seems the most understandable madhabs existing in these and the one that actually seem logical in their beliefs and clear to understand why things in Islamic faith are and why they are. I am sorry to heart anyone's feelings about certain communities but I wish people from these communities followed proper Islam as they should. I am not saying I am a proper believer but I will not believe in Innovations who ever or what ever ethnic group it comes from even if it comes from my own people.

:salam2:

Bro, are u saying other mazhabs are wrong or not strong... U claim above u think salafi and shafii is understandable...I follow mazhab shafii but what u said above is highly controversial. I advice u to take back ur words...

And what is this with the number 786 beside ur name...

Wassalam
 
OK I understand I apologies for using some phrases, but please advise me about taweez belief as I am finding it difficult to understand why soo many people from sub continent beileve. Why have Imams put such thoughts into people's heads that they should wear taweez if they want things to be better in life, I am not saying Imams are no good abviously they are workers of Islam but why all this, sorry I am just a bit confused and frustrated about the taweez stuff

its ok brother

you just mixed 2 topics in your massege.
there are some speeches about fadaiele amal and about taweez.

about taweez i am also agree with you whiches are innovations.
i think this its better to ask a imam who will be able to explain you about this topics live.
jazakallhu khair.
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Allah!

Asslamo Allaikum Brothers,

We believe in Allah (SWT) ALONE!

Allah gives disease, Allah provides cure.

Their are things which are from Saheeh Ahadeeth like reading Surah Al-Fatiha which will cure a person by the Will & Permission of Allah (SWT).

But Allah (SWT) has control over all things.
 

mahdi

Junior Member
brother in my country there are some people who believe like that, but those are false and they will not help you anything, those people don't paractise the diin well , so take care of these things they are bida
 

mahdi

Junior Member
salam

brother in my country there are some people who believe like that, but those are false and they will not help you anything, those people don't paractise the diin well , so take care of these things they are bida
 

Mabsoot

Amir
Staff member
Kitaab At-Tawheed,
Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab (Rahimahullah)

Chapter: 5
It is an Act of Shirk to Wear Rings or Threads
or the Like as a Means of Prevention or Lifting of Afflictions


Allah , says:

" Say: "Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah - if Allah intended some harm to me, could they remove His harm, or if He intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His Mercy?" Say: "Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust [the true Believers] must put their trust."" (Qur'an 39:38)
In this verse, Allah , Most Glorified, Most High commands His Prophet, Muhammad
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to reject those powerless, graven images worshipped by the polytheists, which can neither remove any harm which might befall a person by Allah's Decree, nor prevent any sustenance or blessings which might come to a person from Him. Then He commands him to place his trust in Allah , for He is Sufficient to bring benefit or prevent harm for all who sincerely depend upon Him.
Benefits Derived From This Verse

1. The obligation to reject the abominable.
2. The falseness of idol-worship.
3. That the removal of harm and the bringing of benefits is only from Allah.
4. The obligation to trust in Allah and depend upon Him, free from dependence upon any other, and this does not conflict with the requirement to take whatever legal measures one can in order to achieve one's objectives.
Relevance of This Verse to the Subject of the Chapter
That it proves that protection from harm is only from Allah , and so entrusting oneself to any other protector - such as rings, threads etc. is an act of Shirk.
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It is reported on the authority of Umran Ibn Husain (ra), that Allah's Messenger
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saw a man with a brass ring in his hand, and he asked him: "What is this?" He replied: "It is for protection from al-waahinah."1 The Prophet
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answered:

"Remove it at once, for verily, it will not increase you except in weakness, and were you to die whilst wearing it, you would never be successful." (Narrated by Ahmad, with an acceptable Sanad)
Umran Ibn Husain (ra) informs us in this Hadith that the Prophet
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saw a man with a brass ring in his hand, and he asked him for what purpose he was wearing it. The man answered that he was wearing it to protect him from illness, at which the Prophet
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ordered him to remove it and informed him that it would only cause him to become weak and not protect him from illness at all, and that should he die while wearing it and believing in its power to protect him, he would not succeed in the Hereafter, nor would he know eternal bliss.
Benefits Derived From This Hadith

1. The permissibility of requesting detailed information by the Mufti. 2
2. The importance of intentions.
3. That the method of reproof and rejection may differ according to the individual concerned, so if there is a likelihood that words of wisdom will suffice, force should not be resorted to.
4. Evidence of the ignorance of the polytheists before Islam.
5. Forbiddance of seeking a cure by the use of that which is prohibited.
6. That the prohibited is of no benefit at all: Even though it may help to some degree, the harm it causes is greater.
7. The ignorant man is not excused from the obligation to seek knowledge.
8. That it is by a person's last actions that he will be judged on the Day of Resurrection.3
Important Note
a) This Hadith does not contradict the Hadith of `Ali Ibn Al-Husain, which is allegedly from the Prophet
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, and which states: "Plough (the earth) well, for verily, ploughing is a blessed task. And sow many seeds." This is because the Hadith of `Ali Ibn Al-Husain is mursal 4 - one of the mursal narration of Abu Dawood, and Abu Dawood has not vouched for the authenticity of his mursal narration. But even were it authentic, the reference is to seeds ( جماجم ), according to a large number of scholars, i.e. taking the required precautions to ensure the success of one's endeavours such as planting many seeds to ensure a good crop or using permitted medicines to alleviate illness, not to some supposed treatment for fever, which involved the laying of hands on the skull5 of the patient. Taking such precautions is not to be compared to resorting to the forbidden in order to achieve one's goals.

b) The enquiry made by the Prophet
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might be construed as a rhetorical one, indicating disapproval, and it could also be understood to be a genuine request for more information.
c) Some of the scholars have said that wearing a ring or such like in order to protect oneself against harm is an act of minor Shirk, but what is understood from the Hadith of Umran is that it constitutes major Shirk because it is mentioned in the Hadith that to die while doing so would result in failure to achieve everlasting bliss in the Hereafter. It could be that the definition depends upon the beliefs and intentions of the perpetrator if he believed that it could cure him of itself, without Allah's Help, then it would be major Shirk; while if he believed it be a cause of the cure, while Allah is the One Who grants health, then it would be considered to be minor Shirk - and Allah knows best.
Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of the Chapter
That it proves the obligation to reject the wearing of rings, bangles, chains etc. as a means of protection against harm, because bringing good and avoiding harm are the prerogative of Allah , Alone, and seeking such help from other than Allah means associating partners with Him.
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It is also reported by Ahmad on the authority of `Uqbah Ibn A`mir (ra) in a marfoo' 6 form: "Whoever wore a tamemah, 7 Allah will never see his wishes fulfilled, and whoever wears a wada'ah 8Allah will never grant him peace and tranquility." - and in another narration of Ahmad: "Whoever wears a tamemah has committed an act of Shirk."
`Uqbah Ibn A`mir (ra) informs us in this Hadiththat the Messenger of Allah
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supplicated against every person who wears a talisman or a seashell, believing that it will benefit him without Allah , that Allah will not allow him to achieve any of his goals nor fulfill his wishes or dreams; rather, He will prevent him from ever finding security and tranquility; and he also informed us that any such action is false; indeed, in another narration, he informed us that the tamemah is a form of Shirk because its perpetrator believes that it will benefit him without Allah .
Benefits Derived From This Hadith

1. Denial of any benefit to the one who believes in the use of tamemah or wada'ah.
2. The permissibility of making supplication against the disobedient ones in general.
3. That some of the Companions were ignorant to this extent, so what of those who came after them?
4. That the tamemah is a kind of Shirk.
Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of the Chapter
That it proves that wearing an amulet or talisman, believing that it can benefit one is an act of Shirk because benefits come only from Allah , the Almighty, the All-powerful.
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It is reported by Ibn Abi Hatim, on the authority of Huzaifah (ra) that he saw a man with a thread in his hand to protect him from fever; he broke it and recited the Words of Allah (ra), Most High:

" And most of them do not believe in Allah, except that they associate partners with Him" (Qur'an 12:106)
Huzaifah (ra) visited a sick man and found him wearing a thread on his wrist; and when he asked the man what was the purpose of it, he told him that it was a protection from fever, at which Huzaifah (ra) broke it declaring it to be Shirk; and as proof of this, he recited the Words of Allah , Most High: " And most of them do not believe in Allah, except that they associate partners with Him" - and the meaning of this verse is that many people believe in Allah , but adulterate their belief with Shirk.
Benefits Derived From This Narration

1. Forbidding the detestable by one's own hand, even though the perpetrator may object.
2. That the use of threads and the like to protect from harm is an act of Shirk.
3. The obligation to reject the detestable.
4. The deep understanding of the Companions, and the breadth of their knowledge.
5. That Shirk is present amongst the people of this Ummah.
6. That the heart of a person may contain faith and Shirk at the same time.
Relevance of This Narration to the Subject of the Chapter
That it proves that the use of threads as protection from harm is an act of Shirk, because protection from harm comes only from Allah , the Almighty, the All-powerful.
Footnotes
1. Al-waahinah: rheumatism.

2. Mufti: An Islamic scholar, who is qualified to deliver formal legal verdicts, based on the Qur'an and Sunnah.

3. See footnote no. 33.

4. Mursal: An incomplete chain of narrators, not reaching to the Prophet
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.


5. The Arabic word for skulls is also ( ????? ) - jamaajim.

6. Marfoo': With a sanad reaching to the Prophet
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.


7. Tamemah: Talisman or amulet.

8. Wada'ah: A sea-shell resembling an oyster shell.
 
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