Sunni Arabs in Iraq Seeking a Seperate State

Salem9022

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Feeling marginalized, Iraq Sunnis eye autonomy

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BAGHDAD: Amjad Abdul-Salam is one of a growing number of Iraqis who say a separate state for his fellow Sunni Muslims is the only way to stop the country sliding back into sectarian chaos.


Tensions between Iraq's SunniS and Shiites are rising after the United States pulled out the last of its troops on Dec. 18, leaving the country run by a fragile unity government.

Hours after the exit, Shiite Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki sparked the worst political crisis in a year by announcing an arrest warrant for the Sunni vice president on charges he led death squads. The premier also tried to get his Sunni deputy fired.

Abdul-Salam, a Sunni economics graduate who runs a stationery shop in Baghdad, sees little hope in the future for his three children. "Living in an Iraq where Shiites are controlling power and most key jobs while we are always looked at as followers of Saddam will not be tolerated," said Abdul-Salam, 38.

"Without autonomy, Iraq will hit rock bottom and civil war and endless political crises will not be averted. This is a message that all politicians should understand."

The crisis triggered by Al-Maliki's move against Vice President Tareq Al-Hashemi threatens a power-sharing government that includes the Shiite National Alliance, Sunni-backed Iraqiya and Kurdish lawmakers.

Politicians took nine months after an inconclusive election in 2010 to form what was called a "unity" government. Having Sunnis in the deal was seen as vital to heal sectarian wounds.

But on Dec. 22, a few days after the political crisis erupted, bombings in mainly Shiite areas rocked Iraq's capital, killing 72 people.

A suicide car bomb at the Interior Ministry in Baghdad last Monday killed seven people. Police sources said authorities believed insurgents targeted the building in revenge for the arrest warrant for Hashemi.

"Sunni anger will be on the rise in the short-term, especially until the crisis is resolved in an orderly and consensual manner, which doesn't look likely at this point," said Ranj Alaaldin, a senior associate with Certus Intelligence.

"That's primarily because Al-Maliki's actions look designed specifically for the purposes of targeting the Sunni community, (to) deprive them of two important representatives in government and two individuals who happen to be Al-Maliki's biggest rivals in Baghdad."

Hashemi and Deputy Prime Minister Saleh Al-Mutlaq are both members of Iraqiya, a cross-sectarian bloc which rode strong Sunni support to first place in the 2010 parliamentary election.

But it failed to secure a majority and ended up joining an uneasy coalition under Al-Maliki, who has been premier since 2006.

Discontent is widespread in Sunni strongholds like Diyala and Salahuddin provinces, which have demanded more autonomy.

The calls for autonomy risk fueling further sectarian friction. Al-Maliki has said autonomy could lead to bloodshed, but some senior Sunni leaders have come out in favor of it and Parliament Speaker Osama Al-Nujaifi has described it as a constitutional right.

In September, tensions rose between Shiite-majority Kerbala province and Sunni-dominated Anbar when an ambush of Shiite travelers reignited an old feud over a disputed area of desert.

While the tensions have eased, Sunni tribal sheikhs in Anbar have complained they feel alienated by the central government. "The way Al-Maliki is dealing with his (supposed partners) is opening the window for sectarian strife. Al-Maliki is using media to mobilize his followers against Sunni top leaders ... This is wrong, this is playing with fire while sitting beside a fuel tank," said Sheikh Daham Al-Esawi from Anbar province.

Baghdad complains the tribes meddle in local government affairs and security officials say tribal spats have made the area vulnerable to a comeback by affiliates of Al-Qaeda.

"We want to eliminate sectarianism. So I ask, why do they (politicians) want to bring it back ... All our problems are being caused by political wrangling," said 42-year-old herbal medicine specialist Um Bilal, a Sunni.

Some Sunnis say they are discriminated against when looking for work. "When I apply for a job, the main questions they ask me are what my surname is and where I live," said 23-year-old unemployed college graduate Rasha, referring to two methods used to glean an Iraqi's sect without directly asking.

"When my dad used to talk about sectarianism, I always thought he was exaggerating ... (But now) I feel things will become worse and worse and worse. They think we are (Vice President) Hashemi's followers and because of this, we should disappear," she said, declining to give her last name because of fears for her safety.

http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article557366.ece
 

John Smith

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Worst possible scenario and one the west would dearly love the breakup of iraq,the sunni brothers and sisters should stay steadfast.

Allowing the break up of iraq will allow iran to further influence the region and the shia wont stop till they have conqured makkah and medina.
 

Salem9022

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Worst possible scenario and one the west would dearly love the breakup of iraq,the sunni brothers and sisters should stay steadfast.

Allowing the break up of iraq will allow iran to further influence the region and the shia wont stop till they have conqured makkah and medina.

That is the Best possible scenario. The Shias and Iran wont have a Land route to Syria and Lebanon. Right now they can go through Iraq to Iran and Lebanon and send in their soldiers to kill and torture Syrians. Also the Iraqi Government has Pictures of Ali and Hussien and Fatima in every major Road in Iraq even in Sunni Areas except in Kurdistan. Dont forget that 20 percent of Iran is Sunni but look at their situation. If Sunnies stay with Iraq their faith will be the same as the Sunnies in Iran.
 

John Smith

Junior Member
That is the Best possible scenario. The Shias and Iran wont have a Land route to Syria and Lebanon. Right now they can go through Iraq to Iran and Lebanon and send in their soldiers to kill and torture Syrians. Also the Iraqi Government has Pictures of Ali and Hussien and Fatima in every major Road in Iraq even in Sunni Areas except in Kurdistan. Dont forget that 20 percent of Iran is Sunni but look at their situation. If Sunnies stay with Iraq their faith will be the same as the Sunnies in Iran.

What is the best? breakup or not? if we breakup we lose our influence more in the region look at kuwait,bahrain the shia population are now openly rebelling because of the influence it weilds.

We must confront them head on.
 

Salem9022

Junior Member
What is the best? breakup or not? if we breakup we lose our influence more in the region look at kuwait,bahrain the shia population are now openly rebelling because of the influence it weilds.

We must confront them head on.

Kuwait and Bahrain is not runned by Shias. Iran doesnt have any influence over the Government. They have influence over the people because they are Shia. And the Shias might have some influences over the government.

Iraq is already controlled by Shias and Iran. Right now they are rounding up all Sunni Politicians. They will not rest until all Sunnis in Iraq are killed and disposed of. 20% of Iran is Sunni. Do Sunnies have any influence in Iran? NO.
 

Rebaz

Junior Member
I don't know why, but I just have this hadith stuck in my head when I hear reports about Iraq.

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour would not come before the Euphrates uncovers a mountain of gold, for which people would fight. Ninety-nine out of each one hundred would die but every man amongst them would say that perhaps he would be the one who would be saved (and thus possess this gold).
 

John Smith

Junior Member
Kuwait and Bahrain is not runned by Shias. Iran doesnt have any influence over the Government. They have influence over the people because they are Shia. And the Shias might have some influences over the government.

Iraq is already controlled by Shias and Iran. Right now they are rounding up all Sunni Politicians. They will not rest until all Sunnis in Iraq are killed and disposed of. 20% of Iran is Sunni. Do Sunnies have any influence in Iran? NO.

You seem confused, the shia wether they be bahranian or kuwaiti are openly rebelling against the leaders who happen to be sunni,do you think they could do so without the support of iran?

What does the sunni population of iran got to do with this conversation?
 

Amir_of_spain

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Asalam wailkium

People should not be suprised of the fate of the Sunnis in Iraq. What did we expect? Saddam trampled on the Shia during his long reign and furthermore attacked their fellow Shia neighbour, Iran. Now that he is ousted do you think the Shia are simply going to forget what happen to them, how they abused as a majority and treated as 2nd class citizens? Just look at what happen in Bahrain. It is now their time to assert their authority. In the future Iraq will align itself much more to Tehran which is only natural. The Sunnis in Iraq have no choice but to adapt (as they do in Iran), the new shia Iraqi politicans/Gov. will have to resolve the sectarian issue/differences as they know they need both the sunni and kurdish communities on board if they are ever going to stablise and rebuild Iraq in the future.
 
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