Was what I did correct?

[BADTASTEBEARS]

Assalamualaikum!

Ok so I'm still in the military till about a month and i'm done. I live in the bunk and only go back home on the weekends.

I have this bunkmate, whom I've known from the start since I've enlisted. And for years and months he brought a radio into our bunk. I knew that radio is not gonna bring me any good. So i told him off to not blast it loud or if he wants to listen to it, just keep it down so that only HIM would be able to hear it.

For years, almost everyday, I repeatedly told him that thing should be out. And Allah knows how patient I was.

So today when no one was in the bunk, I saw a penknife on the table and I cut the wire off. But it wasnt visible.

And there it goes, the thing was off.

 

[IHearIslam]

Assalaamu alaykum,

Isamically speaking----I don't know!

Ethically, well I think what you did is wrong? how would you feel if someone did that to you? try to put yourself in his shoes. You could of talking to higher authority person and see if you could get a different roommate. I think that would be a lot easier than cutting off the wire which is personal thing. Allah alim

Insha'Allah someone more knowledgable can help.

 

[Aziboy]

Wa alaykum as salam,

U did it man, Nothing wrong as such, Radios when played for Music and silly gossips are always seen as a weapon of satan the accursed.

So if you get an opportunity, let your other fellows' Radio suffer the same

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Asalmao`Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh,

I hope someone can find and post a fatwa on this. It is an interesting and weird situation to be in. Most of us can relate to this.

EDIT:

I believe I found the answer, If I'm wrong, please correct me:

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is not permissible to make musical instruments. (al-Majmoo’, 22/140). And he said: According to the majority of fuqahaa’, it is permissible to destroy musical instruments, such as the tanboor [a stringed instrument similar to a mandolin]. This is the view of Maalik and is the more famous of the two views narrated from Ahmad. (al-Majmoo’, 28/113).

Ibn Abi Shaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) reported that a man broke a mandolin belonging to another man, and the latter took his case to Shurayh. But Shurayh did not award him any compensation – i.e., he did not make the first man pay the cost of the mandolin, because it was haraam and had no value. (al-Musannaf, 5/395).

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The madhhab of Abu Haneefah is the strictest in this regard, and his comments are among the harshest. His companions clearly stated that it is haraam to listen to all musical instruments such as the flute and the drum, even tapping a stick. They stated that it is a sin which implies that a person is a faasiq (rebellious evil doer) whose testimony should be rejected. They went further than that and said that listening to music is fisq (rebellion, evildoing) and enjoying it is kufr (disbelief). This is their words. They narrated in support of that a hadeeth which could not be attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They said: he should try not to hear it if he passes by it or it is in his vicinity. Abu Yoosuf said, concerning a house from which could be heard the sound of musical instruments: Go in without their permission, because forbidding evil actions is obligatory, and if it were not allowed to enter without permission, people could not have fulfilled the obligatory duty (of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil). (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan, 1/425).

The author of Kifaayat al-Akhbaar, who was one of the Shaafa’is, counted musical instruments such as flutes and others, as being munkar (evil), and the one who is present (where they are being played) should denounce them. (He cannot be excused by the fact that there are bad scholars, because they are corrupting the sharee’ah, or evil faqeers – meaning the Sufis, because they call themselves fuqaraa’ or faqeers – because they are ignorant and follow anyone who makes noise; they are not guided by the light of knowledge; rather they are blown about by every wind. (Kifaayat al-Akhbaar, 2/128).

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Please note that the quotes above are not pasted in the same order as are present in the fatwa. the first two bits come after the last two in the fatwa.

If I've understood those parts of the fatwa correctly, May Allaah give me the strength to do what you did. In your case it was just voice, in my case it is a lot worse. Sobhan'Allaah.

 

[kalamazoo]

:salam2:

now let us turn this matter as suppose he did it to you
would you think he was on the right?
go and buy another as soon as before he finds out and
"istaghfiruLllah"

suppose he tore one PAGE from your Kuran...wht wuld you say !

 

[BADTASTEBEARS]

JazakAllahu khair everyone.

From the looks of the responses, i'm confused.

 

[Ershad]

Asalmao`Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakaatuh,

I hope someone can find and post a fatwa on this. It is an interesting and weird situation to be in. Most of us can relate to this.

EDIT:

I believe I found the answer, If I'm wrong, please correct me:



Please note that the quotes above are not pasted in the same order as are present in the fatwa. the first two bits come after the last two in the fatwa.

If I've understood those parts of the fatwa correctly, May Allaah give me the strength to do what you did. In your case it was just voice, in my case it is a lot worse. Sobhan'Allaah.

Walaykum Assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

I think there is more understanding to be done. This is a general fatawaa. We should be careful where we apply fatawaa. Does this mean everyone individually can destroy the instruments though he is not in power. Can he destroy these without any authority? Can he destroy if that action can cause greater harm to him or his religion? Does that mean he can destroy it if it cause the person to develop animosity towards the religion?

I am asking this for a speculation and to point that a deeper discussion or thinking is required. And that you cannot apply a general fatawaa into a specific situation. I have seen in Saudi, the religious police destroying musical instruments, Maa 'sha Allah :

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But, they have the authority and they are living in a muslim country ruled by Sharia. The OP, I believe lives in a non-muslim country and he does not have the authority.

So, I am just wondering. Wallahu A''lam. I hope you understand my point. What is obligatory is disavowal of the evil thing by heart if it is not possible by tongue or by hand because of Prophet's saying (peace be upon him): "If anyone among you, sees something abominable, they should rectify it with their hand; and if they are unable to, then they should do it with their tongue; and if they cannot, then they should (abhor it) from their heart, and that is the least form of Iman." Related by Muslim in his Sahih.

What I am doubtful is if by his action, his bunkmate could report it to his superior and that would cause his superior to treat him bad or restrict him from offering prayers or something like that, then it leads to greater harm for him.

Wassalamu Alaikkum

 

[Itqan Ullah]

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[strive-may-i]

Assalamualaikum!

Ok so I'm still in the military till about a month and i'm done. I live in the bunk and only go back home on the weekends.

I have this bunkmate, whom I've known from the start since I've enlisted. And for years and months he brought a radio into our bunk. I knew that radio is not gonna bring me any good. So i told him off to not blast it loud or if he wants to listen to it, just keep it down so that only HIM would be able to hear it.

For years, almost everyday, I repeatedly told him that thing should be out. And Allah knows how patient I was.

So today when no one was in the bunk, I saw a penknife on the table and I cut the wire off. But it wasnt visible.

And there it goes, the thing was off.

:salam2:

He will come back and see it. He knows you did it. Now would he be happy about it? he might confront you. AT that point, dont loose your cool, tell him, you prefer some silence. Suggest him some alternative like say a headphone?

What if he takes this to superior authority? Have you informed your seniors at work place, your need for some silence. Tell that its a personal choice, his music is noise for you. Stress on this point...

Hope this helps. May your patience increase and more importantly May Almighty Allah help ease your paint point..... Ameen

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Walaykum Assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

I think there is more understanding to be done. This is a general fatawaa. We should be careful where we apply fatawaa. Does this mean everyone individually can destroy the instruments though he is not in power. Can he destroy these without any authority? Can he destroy if that action can cause greater harm to him or his religion? Does that mean he can destroy it if it cause the person to develop animosity towards the religion?

I am asking this for a speculation and to point that a deeper discussion or thinking is required. And that you cannot apply a general fatawaa into a specific situation. I have seen in Saudi, the religious police destroying musical instruments, Maa 'sha Allah

Wassalamu Alaikkum

Wasalamo`Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Baraakaatuhu,

Brother, I mentioned my doubt in my post for this very reason.

I believe I found the answer, If I'm wrong, please correct me:

Please note that the quotes above are not pasted in the same order as are present in the fatwa. the first two bits come after the last two in the fatwa.

If I've understood those parts of the fatwa correctly, May Allaah give me the strength to do what you did. In your case it was just voice, in my case it is a lot worse. Sobhan'Allaah.

JazaakAllaahu khayraa for pointing it out more clearly in case someone might have missed my vague warning.

 

[Shaki BS]

Walaikum salaam,
I believe it wasn't right to cut off the wire.. It would've been good if you had asked for another room mate during these years... Alhamdullilah for the patience you've had all these years.. just one month more ..
May Allah give us the strength to increase our patience and help us to do what is right. Ameen

 

[Idris16]

Assalamualaikum!

Ok so I'm still in the military till about a month and i'm done. I live in the bunk and only go back home on the weekends.

I have this bunkmate, whom I've known from the start since I've enlisted. And for years and months he brought a radio into our bunk. I knew that radio is not gonna bring me any good. So i told him off to not blast it loud or if he wants to listen to it, just keep it down so that only HIM would be able to hear it.

For years, almost everyday, I repeatedly told him that thing should be out. And Allah knows how patient I was.

So today when no one was in the bunk, I saw a penknife on the table and I cut the wire off. But it wasnt visible.

And there it goes, the thing was off.

Why are you in the military for? Do they help Tawheed? Nope - so leave the military.

What's wrong with forbidding evil? I saw a cigarette package and I threw it in the garbage - yes. Someone told me what I did was wrong because the cigarette was bought by someone. I told him, if something is haram then its price becomes haram too.

 

[sabs1164]

Why are you in the military for? Do they help Tawheed? Nope - so leave the military.

What's wrong with forbidding evil? I saw a cigarette package and I threw it in the garbage - yes. Someone told me what I did was wrong because the cigarette was bought by someone. I told him, if something is haram then its price becomes haram too.

brother is smoking haraam ?

 

[BADTASTEBEARS]

Why are you in the military for? Do they help Tawheed? Nope - so leave the military.

What's wrong with forbidding evil? I saw a cigarette package and I threw it in the garbage - yes. Someone told me what I did was wrong because the cigarette was bought by someone. I told him, if something is haram then its price becomes haram too.

Assalamualaikum

I never want to be in the military but its mandatory for every guy in my country.

 

[Idris16]

brother is smoking haraam ?

Yep and shaving the beard is haraam as well, and the cigarette package I found was in the masjid, I thought we came to the masjid to do good and not sin, but I guess I was wrong.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

The simple answer is this. Sabr. We are always around fools. You ignore the temptation. You allowed your anger to act out your sensation.
Leave it be.

What you did was unfair. It was behind his back. That is the bottom line. In any argument we have to be up-front. We pride ourselves in being adult and being able to look at someone eye to eye.

Now, you have learned a good lesson, InshaAllah. Move forward and concentrate on pleasing Allah...

 

[Idris16]

What you did was unfair. It was behind his back. That is the bottom line. In any argument we have to be up-front. We pride ourselves in being adult and being able to look at someone eye to eye.

Now, you have learned a good lesson, InshaAllah. Move forward and concentrate on pleasing Allah...

How was it unfair? He was forbidding evil! But the first question should be, "is it correct to be in the military even if they force me to be with them?". And getting angry when seeing haraam is from iman.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

The issue to be addressed is about a specific incident.

One has to act like a man. The brother felt guilt. He has asked out of being a believer if his actions were correct.

So narrow the scope. Before you can react you have to think.

There are times to be angry and react. At other times it is better to fast or take a cold shower!!

 

[BADTASTEBEARS]

Assalamualaikum

Thank you and may Allah reward you for your efforts.

I do not know what happened but the radio is back to normal. No one even noticed the cut. I'll just be back plugging my earphones in the bunk with Allah's words on.

I've learned.

May Allah forgive me my mistakes & shortcomings.

 

[Janaan]

I've learned.

May Allah forgive us our mistakes & shortcomings.

Aameen!!!

Hey akhi, why don't you give this roomate of yours some da`wah while you're in there...? You never know, Allaah `azza wa jall might just guide him through you !=)