Two serious issues

muhammad.abdullah

Junior Member
:salam2:

Brothers and sisters, i have 2 very serious issues which i need advice on.

Issue 1

I have a job which involves extensive travelling. Everyday, i have to travel to a new city or town at least. I get paid the parking and the mileage expenses for the daily journey and so do my colleageues. The problem lies in the fact that there are some of my colleagues who claim for the travel expenses that they havent done, i mean the guy gets a lift from another colleague and claims for the parking and mileage which is clearly haram. I know about this and i can inform the authorities (my superiors) of this almost daily fraud. Now, CAN I and SHOULD I inform my superiors of it because muslims,like him give us a very bad name and project a dishonest image of the whole of the muslimkind to whom the people are already being poisoned by the world media. That guy could loose his job if he gets caught plus he is married and has recently had a kid.

Issue 2

If you read the above paragraph, you must be clear of the kind of job i do. Now almost daily i travel more than 60 miles from the place i live. The problem is should i pray the "kathar" prayer (shortened prayer while on journey) or the regular rakats ? Its my daily job and i return home at the end of the night, sometimes after midnight.

Jazakallah kheir brothers and sisters

:wasalam:
 

zarah

Islam
Staff member
:salam2: akhi,


I actually work in finance and I have testers comming to me with the claims,claiming for car mileage and petrol.(You never know who could be lying and who could be telling the truth.)

Being honest brother it could be as you say the other brother gets a lift from one of his mate/colleauge this could be a one off.:blackhijab:

:wasalam:
 

muhammad.abdullah

Junior Member
:salam2: akhi,


I actually work in finance and I have testers comming to me with the claims,claiming for car mileage and petrol.(You never know who could be lying and who could be telling the truth.)

Being honest brother it could be as you say the other brother gets a lift from one of his mate/colleauge this could be a one off.:blackhijab:

:wasalam:

sister, i see him do it every now and then and he is so bold that he does it in front of all his contemporaries without the fear of being reported. He has this ego that we are all muslims and no one will report him because of this.:astag: What do you make of this ?:wasalam:
 

zarah

Islam
Staff member
:salam2:

Well talking from a point of view of the account approver and finding out about dodgy receipts I will reject the claim,but then being in your position I don`t know what to say akhi......:confused:

:wasalam:
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
prophet muhammad pbuh said: help you brother whether he is the oppressor or the oppressed one! and then people: oh messenger of Allah we understand that we need to help him if he is oppressed but how can we help him if he is the oppressor? he replied: by preventing him of oppressing others" narrated by ibn anas(sahih al buchari)


and he said" whoever sees an injustice must change it with his hand if he is unable that with his tongue if he can`t do that either than he must hate it with his heart and that verilly the lowest degree of faith"(sahih muslim) authentic hadith


brother i understand that your kinda stuck in a delicat situation i think you should simply tell him about it so that he might recognise that at the end of the day he is doing nothing but harming himself in the eyes of Allah swt
tell him that as a muslim he should be an example for others and not a expose himself as a subject of mockery like this!!!! if he doesn`t listen well don`t sit with him anymore until he changes this stealing habit, by going astray he can`t harme you anyways. and Allah swt knows best.:astag:
 

Happy 2BA Muslim

Islamophilic
Assalamu alaikum Brother,

Did you try giving him ''naseehah'' (advice) that what he is doing is haram? He might not know that.

With regards to your second question:

The majority of scholars defined the distance at which a traveller may shorten his prayers; and some of them did not set a limit, rather they left that to be decided by custom (al-‘urf) – what is customarily regarded by the people as travelling is where the concession is granted allowing the traveller to shorten his prayers and break his fast.

According to the majority of scholars, the distance is defined as being approximately eighty kilometers.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (8/99): The distance in which the concession of traveling is allowed is that which is customarily regarded as travelling, which is approximately eighty kilometers. Whoever is going to travel this distance or more is allowed to avail himself of the concessions granted to travellers, namely wiping over the socks for three days and nights, and joining and shortening prayers, and not fasting in Ramadaan. If this traveller intends to stay in a place for more than four days, then he is not allowed the concession of travel. If he intends to stay for four days or less, then he is allowed that concession. The traveller who stays in a place and does not know when he will finish what he came to do or how long he will be staying may avail himself of the concessions granted to the traveller, even if that is for a long time. And there is no difference between travel by land or by sea.

Islam Q&A
 

umm ayub

New Member
re:serious issues

:wasalam:
Issue1:

Have u tried advising and reminding them that Allah is watching them? maybe that is better in the beggining? and then if after several reminders, they dont listen threaten them not literally, but tell them that u are serious and it is ur responsibility in Islam, in front of Allah swt, to forbid the evil and enjoin the good, and most of all make dua that Allah Guide them on the straight path, dua can HONESTLY do wonders, if not over night, within a span of a second, SubhanAllah! Alhamdulilah.

Issue 2:

Regarding shortening the prayers , below is the answer to ur question. hope this helps inshaAllah

Question:
What is the minimum distance of traveling at which the fasting is exused.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The majority of scholars are of the view that the distance at which a traveler may join prayers and not fast is forty-eight miles. Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni:

The view of Abu ‘Abd-Allaah [i.e., Imam Ahmad] is that it is not permissible to shorten the prayers for a distance of less than sixteen farsakhs, and a farsakh is three miles, so the distance is forty-eight miles. This was the estimation of Ibn ‘Abbaas. He said: From ‘Usfaan to Makkah, or from al-Taa’if to Makkah, or from Jeddah to Makkah.

Based on this, the distance at which it is permissible to shorten prayers is the distance of two days’ travel aiming directly for that dsetination. This is the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn ‘Umar, and the view of Maalik, al-Layth and al-Shaafa’i.

The equivalent in kilometers is approximately 80 km.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (12/267), explaining what is meant by traveling:

The view of the majority of scholars is that this is equivalent to approximately eighty kilometers for one who travels by car, plane or ship. This distance is what is called traveling according to the custom of the Muslims. So if a person travels by camel, car, plane or ship, for this distance or more, he is regarded as a traveler.

The Standing Committee was asked (8/90) about the distance at which a traveler may shorten his prayers, and can a taxi-driver who covers more than three hundred kilometers shorten his prayer?

They replied:

The distance at which a traveler may shorten his prayers is approximately 80 km, according to the view of the majority of scholars. It is permissible for a taxi driver or anyone else to shorten his prayers, if he is going to cover the distance mentioned at the beginning of the question, or more.

Some scholars are of the view that traveling is not to be defined by a specific distance, rather it should be defined according to custom: whatever people customarily regard as traveling is the traveling to which the shar’i rulings apply, such as joining and shortening prayers, and not fasting.

Shaykh al-Islam said in al-Fataawa (24/106): The evidence supports those who regard shortening prayers and not fasting as being applicable to all types of travel and do not single out one kind of traveling to the exclusion of another. This view is the correct one.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthayemeen was asked in Fataawa Arkaan al-Islam (p. 381) about the distance at which a traveler may shorten his prayers and whether it is permissible to join prayers without shortening them.

He replied:

The distance at which a traveler may shorten his prayers was defined by some of the scholars as being approximately eighty-three kilometers, and some defined it as being what is customarily regarded as traveling, even if the distance is not 80 km, and that what the people say is not traveling should not be regarded as such, even if it is as far as one hundred kilometers.

The latter view is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him), because Allaah did not state a specific distance for it to be permissible to shorten prayers, and neither did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: If the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) set out for a journey of three miles or three farsakhs, he would pray two rak’ahs. Narrated by Muslim, 691.

The view of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah is closer to what is correct.

There is nothing wrong, if there is a conflict between customary views, in going by the opinion which suggests that travel should be defined in terms of distance, because this was the view of some of the imams and scholars and mujtahids. So there is nothing wrong with that in sha Allah. But so long as custom gives a clear definition, then referring to what is customary is the right thing to do.

Islam Q&A
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=38079&ln=eng

and some other beneficiat links on shortening the prayer due to work etc:

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=22249&ln=eng

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=10993&ln=eng
:wasalam:
 

muhammad.abdullah

Junior Member
thank you all...

:salam2:

thank you all my brothers and sisters for the advice. Regarding the false claims issue, i want to make one thing very clear, i have tried almost everything and its been going on for more than 2 years now. And because of those criminal minded people, innocent brothers are getting scrutinized and sometimes not being paid their rightful claims.

P.S. I blame men like these (plus the media ofcourse) that poeple treat us like we are convicted criminals. Before they know anything about me they guess i am an american (because of my accent and politeness) and are quite amicable, after they know my ethnicity (Pakistani) their is a distinctively clear change in tone, change in body language, polite comments turn sour and then bitter. They try to run away from me as if i am gonna blow up or mug them. And i get these "oh! my god they are all crooks" looks.:astag:

Sorry for overreacting but honest, its an everyday story for me although i am amicable, quite polite and try being honest as much as possible.

:wasalam:
 
Top