Red Bull (Drink)

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Globalpeace

Banned
W-Salam,

I suppose someone forgot to tell that verdict to the Scholars who have given a Fatwa to the contrary. :)

:salam2:

Okay you lot...I think i should close the topic here...while all of us know the answer now to red bull....


Verdict....Haram....:hijabi:

Jazzak-Allah khair my brothers and sisters for all your response....:SMILY346:

:wasalam:
 

zarah

Islam
Staff member
W-Salam,

I suppose someone forgot to tell that verdict to the Scholars who have given a Fatwa to the contrary. :)


:salam2:

Lol bro...Its not that we have got to the end of this we have found out the following...


Its a energy drink...

It has 0.01% e.....Alc.....

One thing I don`t understand though....don`t you have to state all product in the ingredients that are used...(Incase someone has a side effect)


:wasalam:
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
:salam2:


One thing I don`t understand though....don`t you have to state all product in the ingredients that are used...(Incase someone has a side effect)


:wasalam:


They do sometimes in food products where it is written
" May contain peanuts...." => for those allergic to peanuts
 

Kaisar2007

New Member
Essalamu Eleykum
Maybe that is Haram, but here is another one i heard about very lot.
give me truth... COCACOLA AND PEPSI what about these?
 

Globalpeace

Banned
W-Salam,

There are ingredients below certain %age which can be exempted, that's why it is my opinion for people to refer to scholars in their own country as regulations differ.

I will still make the same sarcy remark :) because Shaykh Abdullah is clearly stated that it contains alcohol and so do the Scholars on Islamonline; so no one can say:

a) That they don't know about the presence of Alcohol
b) That they are unaware of the Hadeeth in Saheeh Bukhari about intoxication

No one seems to care to ASK for the evidence for the opposite opinion these days…

Br Alkathiri is quoting Imam Shaf'ae's (RA) Madhab on organic Alcohol (Khamar) and equating it with Synthetic (Ethyl) Alcohol opinion in the Hanafi Madhab! :SMILY149:

:salam2:

Lol bro...Its not that we have got to the end of this we have found out the following...


Its a energy drink...

It has 0.01% e.....Alc.....

One thing I don`t understand though....don`t you have to state all product in the ingredients that are used...(Incase someone has a side effect)


:wasalam:
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Ethyl Alcohol!

Asslamo Allaikum,

For those who have AGREED that Ethyl Alcohol is HARAM, I would like to ask a few personal questions:

1) Do you use Deodorant?
2) Do you drink Orange Juice or ANY other Juice from the Super-Market?

As you will find that both 1 & 2 contain Ethyl Alcohol as a FLAVOUR or SOLVENT!

And if you hold the opinion that it is HARAM then you can’t pray after applying deodorant to your body as it will be NAJIS.

How do you reconcile your position?

P.S: Shampoo, Soaps, Toothpaste etc. etc. etc.

P.P.S: There are many things which you ingest and there are others which you apply topically!

Again posting the link for all to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
We need a chemist!!!

:salam2:


Is Alcohol filth?


Before answering any fiqh Question, one must 1) determine what the Question means. Then, one must 2) know the relevant fiqh rulings and then 3) apply them to the Question.

Part 1: What does the Question, “Is Alcohol Filth?” mean?

To answer this Question, we must answer the Question, “What is ‘alcohol’”?

What is alcohol?

As many realize, “alcohol” is a term used for various substances:

alcohol :

1a : ethanol esp. when considered as the intoxicating agent in fermented and distilled liquors

b: drink (as whiskey or beer) containing ethanol

c: a mixture of ethanol and water that is usu. 95 percent ethanol

2 : any of various compounds that are analogous to ethanol in constitution and that are hydroxyl derivatives of hydrocarbons

(Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 10th ed.)

Part 2: What are the relevant fiqh rulings?

After knowing what “alcohol” is, we must know certain fiqh rulings related to filth and its removal to understand whether or not alcohol is filth.

The Criterion for Filth

Every liquid intoxicant is filth (Reliance of the Traveller, e14.1(7)).

Filth Contacting Liquid

When filth contacts a liquid other than water, the liquid is filthified by mere contact, whether the liquid is little or much, whether it changed or not. And it can never be purified (Safinat as-Salah).

Filth Contacting Solid

If filth touches a solid that is pure in itself, with moisture between them, the filth is transferred and that solid is filthified. A filthified solid is purified by removing the filth’s traces—its body, taste, color, and smell—and then flowing unfilthified, unused water over it (The Immaculate Raiment).

Part 3: How are the rulings applied to the Question?

Applying the Criterion of “Liquid Intoxicant” to Alcohol

Any substance that is both liquid and intoxicating is filth, no matter what its name. There may be alcohols, then, that are not filth, and there may be non-alcoholic substances that are filth, because they are liquid intoxicants.

Substances Containing Alcohol

As for substances that contain an element of alcohol, if the substance is a liquid intoxicant, it is filth. If it is not intoxicating, we ask, “Did a liquid intoxicant contact it?” If so, then it is filthified, and it cannot be purified. As for naturally-occurring alcohol in a substance, if that substance is not intoxicating, then it is not filth. There is a world of difference between a) taking ethyl alcohol, or any liquid intoxicant, and inserting it into another liquid, and b) there existing in a liquid ethyl alcohol, or any other substance, that if extracted would become a liquid intoxicant.

Does Cooking Purify?

As for cooking with alcohol that is a liquid intoxicant, since the alcohol in food evaporates upon cooking, one might imagine that that removes the filth. In reality, even though there may remain no body of the alcohol in the food, the food is filthified upon contact with it and is not purified by the evaporation of the alcohol, but only by being washed.

Reviewing the Meanings of “Alcohol”

1a : “ethanol esp. when considered as the intoxicating agent in fermented and distilled liquors”: Since ethanol is an “intoxicating agent” and is liquid, it is, when on its own, filth. But what if ethanol is one of the compounds that happens to compose another substance? Chemical composition does not concern us. What concerns us is, “Is the substance in Question a liquid intoxicant?” If so, then it is filth. If not, then we then ask the Question, “Did the substance in Question come into contact with filth?” If so, then it is filthified. As for if something (orange juice, for example) happens to contain naturally-occurring ethanol or any substance that if extracted would be intoxicating, it has no bearing as long as that thing itself (the orange juice) is not a liquid intoxicant and has not come into contact with any liquid intoxicant.

b : “drink (as whiskey or beer) containing ethanol”: Though intoxicating beverages like whiskey and beer contain ethanol, the presence of ethanol in them does not necessarily make them filth (the ethanol is not inserted into them), but rather their being liquid intoxicants makes them filth.

c: “a mixture of ethanol and water that is usu. 95 percent ethanol”: Again, this is filth provided it is a liquid intoxicant.

2 : “any of various compounds that are analogous to ethanol in constitution and that are hydroxyl derivatives of hydrocarbons”: As for this definition of alcohol, there is nothing in the definition that determines whether or not such compounds are filth. Being a hydroxyl derivative of a hydrocarbon does not necessitate being a liquid intoxicant nor negate being a liquid intoxicant. So what remains, then, is to determine what substances from this group are liquid intoxicants. Whoever researches this would be doing a great service. If anyone finds anything, please send us the referenced results. Good leads include poison control departments and (I believe) references in organic chemistry. To help, below is a chart of various alcohols and their common usages:





Types of Alcohol

KIND

MANUFACTURE

USES


Methyl (wood alcohol, methanol)

By destructive distillation of wood. Also by synthesis from hydrogen and carbon monoxide under high pressure.

Solvent for fats, oils, resins, nitrocellulose. Manufacture of dyes, formaldehyde, antifreeze solutions, special fuels, plastics.


Ethyl (grain alcohol,
ethanol)

By fermentation of sugar, starch, or waste sulfite liquor. Synthesis from ethylene or acetylene. Direct hydration of ethylene.

Solvent for products such as lacquers, paints, varnishes, glues, pharmaceuticals, explosives. Also as "building block" in making high-molecular-weight chemicals.


Isopropyl (isopropanol)

By hydration of propylene from cracked gases. Also as by-product of certain fermentation processes.

Solvent for oils, gums, alkaloids, resins. Making acetone, soap, antiseptic solutions.


Normal propyl

As a coproduct of air oxidation of propane and butane mixtures.

Solvent for lacquers, resins, coatings, films, waxes. Also as brake fluid, in manufacture of propionic acid, plasticizers.


Butyl (n-butanol)

By fermentation of starch or sugar. Also by synthesis, using ethyl alcohol or acetylene.

Solvent for nitrocellulose, ethyl cellulose, lacquer, urea-formaldehyde, urea-melamine plastics. Diluent of hydraulic fluids, extractant of drugs.


Isobutyl

By synthesis from carbon monoxide and hydrogen at high pressure, then distillation from products formed.

Solvent for castor-oil-base brake fluids. Substitute for n-butyl alcohol in making urea resins.


Secondary butyl

By hydration of 1-butane, formed in petroleum cracking.

In making other chemicals such as methyl ethyl ketone. Solvent in nitrocellulose lacquers. Production of brake fluids, special greases.


Tertiary butyl

By hydration of isobutylene, derived from petroleum cracking.

In perfume making. As wetting agent in detergents. Solvent for drugs and cleaning compounds.


Amyl (pentyl)

By fractional distillation of fusel oil, a coproduct of ethyl alcohol manufacture by fermentation.

Solvent for many natural and synthetic resins. Diluting brake fluids, printing inks, lacquers. In medicinal products.


Ethylene glycol

By oxidation of ethylene to glycol. Also by hydrogenation of methyl glycolate made from formaldehyde and methanol.

Deicing fluid, antifreeze, brake fluid. In production of explosives. Solvent for stains, oils, resins, enamels, inks, dyes.


Diethylene glycol

As co-product in manufacture of ethylene glycol.

Solvent for dyes, resins. Antileak agent. In gas drying. Softening agent in adhesive printing inks.


Triethylene glycol

Co-product in manufacture of ethylene glycol.

Air disinfectant and dehumidifier. Production of resins, plasticizers.


Glycerol (glycerin;
1-, 2-, 3-propanetriol)

From treatment of fats in soap making. Synthetically, from propylene. By fermentation.

In alkyd resins, explosives, cellophane. Tobacco humectant.


Pentaerythritol

By condensation of acetaldehyde and formaldehyde.

In synthetic resins. As tetranitratein explosives. Also as drug for treatment of heart disease.


Sorbitol

By reduction of sugar, usually corn sugar, with hydrogen.

In foods, pharmaceuticals, in chemical manufacture. Conditioning agent in paper, textiles, glue, cosmetics. Source of alcohol in resin manufacture.


Cyclohexanol

By catalytic hydrogenation of phenol. By catalytic air oxidation of cyclohexane.

Intermediate in making chemicals used in nylon manufacture. Stabilizer and homogenizer of soaps, synthetic detergents. Solvent.


Phenylethyl

By synthesis from benzene and ethylene oxide.

Principally in perfumes.



And Allah knows best.

Mostafa Azzam
Amman , Jordan .
 

zarah

Islam
Staff member
Asslamo Allaikum,

For those who have AGREED that Ethyl Alcohol is HARAM, I would like to ask a few personal questions:

1) Do you use Deodorant?
2) Do you drink Orange Juice or ANY other Juice from the Super-Market?

As you will find that both 1 & 2 contain Ethyl Alcohol as a FLAVOUR or SOLVENT!

And if you hold the opinion that it is HARAM then you can’t pray after applying deodorant to your body as it will be NAJIS.

How do you reconcile your position?

P.S: Shampoo, Soaps, Toothpaste etc. etc. etc.

P.P.S: There are many things which you ingest and there are others which you apply topically!

Again posting the link for all to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol


:salam2:

Actually i have one answer for you bro...I do not purchase anything with alcohol from food to body deodorant....:SMILY286:

:wasalam:
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
:salam2:

Question:
An ill man needs to apply a dressing to his skin. The dressing is impregnated with a medicinal substance that is dissolved in synthetic ethanol [ethyl alcohol]. It is not possible to remove the dressing for every prayer due to the great harm doing so entails. How does this man pray?



Answer:
If it is known that the dressing contains filth, then the default is unlawfulness of smearing it [on one's body], except for necessity such as treatment. However, there are 2 conditions for its permissibility:

1. that one knows it is beneficial; one may depend on one's own knowledge, even if one is corrupt, or one may depend on a Muslim, just physician,

2. that this filthy medicine be specifically prescribed such that one cannot substitute it with a pure medicine, as mentioned in al-Tuhfa (170/9) and others.

In such a case it is permissible to use it.

If it is possible to remove the dressing and purify the site for the prayer, then it is obligatory for one to do so. If it is not possible to do so, such as when one fears that doing so will increase one's ailment or delay recovery from one's illness, one may pray with the dressing, and then make up the prayer due to the presence of filth. This is the ruling according to our madhab.

One may follow the Hanafi position (as long as one learns it from a Hanafi scholar), while observing the rulings of prayer according to our madhab. This is according to the great scholar Ibn Ziad that the talfiq (joining between madhabs) that one must be cautious of applies to a single subject. Whereas removal of filth and prayer are 2 separate subjects, and therefore, do not enter in the realm of reprehensible joining between madhabs. And Allah knows best.

- Amjad Rasheed

(Translated by Sr Lida Kahi)
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
Asslamo Allaikum,

For those who have AGREED that Ethyl Alcohol is HARAM, I would like to ask a few personal questions:

1) Do you use Deodorant?
2) Do you drink Orange Juice or ANY other Juice from the Super-Market?

As you will find that both 1 & 2 contain Ethyl Alcohol as a FLAVOUR or SOLVENT!

And if you hold the opinion that it is HARAM then you can’t pray after applying deodorant to your body as it will be NAJIS.

How do you reconcile your position?

P.S: Shampoo, Soaps, Toothpaste etc. etc. etc.

P.P.S: There are many things which you ingest and there are others which you apply topically!

Again posting the link for all to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol


My deodorant has no ethyl alcohol.....:SMILY286:
i think there is no alcohol at all...........:SMILY139:
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
Asalamu Alykum,

After reading General Practioner's post i went and checked my deodrant and it says 0% alcohol and i checked the ingredients. Inshallah its accurate, Allah (S.W.T) knows best. I use Miswak toothpaste so thats okay Inshallah. The cream i put on my hair (medical), contains 0.1%. Hmm i drink blackcurrant juice, will check whether that contains alcohol. Dont know about shampoo will check that too.

Jazakallah Khair for this topic/replies because i can now identify which things i have are haram and im using them without realising.

Alhamdulilah

Wasalam
 

Globalpeace

Banned
Use of Alcohol in Deod

W-Salam,

Unless your deodorant says "ALCOHOL 0%" or "Alcohol FREE" there is no guarantee because they don't have to declare it as the point raised by Sister Zara!

Same goes for your Juice...Your shampoo, your cough medicine and most liquids that you can buy anywhere in the world (including Muslim countries)

Before someone makes a sarcastic comment; I understand that deodorant you use topically; Juice you drink internally (hopefully)! :SMILY252:

PLUS! Its NOT Haram!

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1365&ln=eng&txt=alcohol

I was trying to make people THINK about the consequences!:SMILY259: :SMILY259: :SMILY259:

Asalamu Alykum,

After reading General Practioner's post i went and checked my deodrant and it says 0% alcohol and i checked the ingredients. Inshallah its accurate, Allah (S.W.T) knows best. I use Miswak toothpaste so thats okay Inshallah. The cream i put on my hair (medical), contains 0.1%. Hmm i drink blackcurrant juice, will check whether that contains alcohol. Dont know about shampoo will check that too.

Jazakallah Khair for this topic/replies because i can now identify which things i have are haram and im using them without realising.

Alhamdulilah

Wasalam
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
Asalamu Alykum,

Jazakallah Khair. Still its still better to be on the safe side like you said. I will still take the precautions.

Because a few people call you GP, thats why i said General Practioner. Inshallah you dont mind.

Alhamdulilah

Wasalam

W-Salam,

Unless your deodorant says "ALCOHOL 0%" or "Alcohol FREE" there is no guarantee because they don't have to declare it as the point raised by Sister Zara!

Same goes for your Juice...Your shampoo, your cough medicine and most liquids that you can buy anywhere in the world (including Muslim countries)

Before someone makes a sarcastic comment; I understand that deodorant you use topically; Juice you drink internally (hopefully)! :SMILY252:

PLUS! Its NOT Haram!

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1365&ln=eng&txt=alcohol

I was trying to make people THINK about the consequences!:SMILY259: :SMILY259: :SMILY259:
 

zarah

Islam
Staff member
W-Salam,

Unless your deodorant says "ALCOHOL 0%" or "Alcohol FREE" there is no guarantee because they don't have to declare it as the point raised by Sister Zara!

Same goes for your Juice...Your shampoo, your cough medicine and most liquids that you can buy anywhere in the world (including Muslim countries)

Before someone makes a sarcastic comment; I understand that deodorant you use topically; Juice you drink internally (hopefully)! :SMILY252:

PLUS! Its NOT Haram!

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=1365&ln=eng&txt=alcohol

I was trying to make people THINK about the consequences!:SMILY259: :SMILY259: :SMILY259:


:salam2:

bro I hope you are not getting your anger out on my questions....I have realised you have put an expclaimation mark behind my name.....lol


:wasalam:
 

Globalpeace

Banned
W-Salam,

Oops! being casual Sis...Sorry!

I usually get angry on Shias and deviant Sufees!:angryred: And Masha'Allah you don't fit the bill.

May God save you from
the venom of the Cobra
And the vengeance of a Pathan! (Rambo III)
:SMILY139:
:salam2:

bro I hope you are not getting your anger out on my questions....I have realised you have put an expclaimation mark behind my name.....lol


:wasalam:
 

amyaishazouaoui

Junior Member
:salam2:

do u really want to put all that rubbish in ur body anyway. if u want more energy eat a good diet, get your sleep and have a generally healthy lifestyle.

:wasalam:
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
Asalamu Alykum,

I think its one of those drinks you have once every 6 months :). I dont like it anyway but i remember we were on a night drive and the driver was getting tired and someone suggested Red Bull and that woke him up.

Wasalam

:salam2:

do u really want to put all that rubbish in ur body anyway. if u want more energy eat a good diet, get your sleep and have a generally healthy lifestyle.

:wasalam:
 

misalat

Junior Member
Jazaka Allah brother global peace!!
your information is always a very good guide to many of us in this site.
I admire the way you tackled this issue with facts and references.
:mashallah:

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