justoneofmillion
Junior Member
lol sister very beautiful and true some lesson of eloquence there tell`em Appa!!!!!!!!
Is there any racist in your area or work etc?
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justoneofmillion
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wow........l sister very beautiful and true some lesson of eloquence there tell`em Appa!!!!!!!!
somewhatinspired
Junior Member
good lord
i am from Colorado, boulder to be precise.
they are pro freedom of speech, pro gay , pro any religion. pro peace , pro environment, pro world. just be yourself and dont hurt anyone in the process.
i moved to florida, which is very far away from the midwest.
when i got here i couldnt understand why all the black people sat at different lunch tables than the white kids. i would try to talk to the black people in my classes and they would directly brush me off more than 60 percent of the time.
i later found out all the black people live in a different part of town, in little shacks and run down apartment buildings and stuff. that part of town has no grocery stores or decent restaurant's.i mean they have a hot dog stand and a run down diner, whereas my part of town has literally 5 huge grocery stores, at least 20 restaurant's, all kinds of stuff.
the black area has a bunch of run down gas stations that sell rolling papers and lots of alcohol junk food and candy. there are run down teen centers with crack dealers that hang out there at night and there is all kinds of gang activity.
this is all due to slavery in our past, and the fact that after slavery they were forced to make there own communities after wards. because the white people would not accept them equally.
but now the black people are far more racist in my opinion. when i was younger i was with some friends at the park and a group of black kids a bit older surrounded us with their faces covered with bandannas and such tried to get us to give them all our stuff, and held knives out. we wouldn't do it, so they grab the smallest one of us and kicked him repeatedly on the ground. most of the people with me were girls and i jumped up and ran over there tried to stop them, they came onto me, but the other one managed to run off and scream for help in the middle of the road. the black guys ran off.
it took me a long time to not be afraid of black people in the south.
i am not racist, and i know these people are oppressed, but it seems like they purposely keep to themselves and they don't give anyone a chance.
most of the people where i live are not southern at all and have nothing against black people in anyway. they move here and find it very hard to keep an open mind about them because they can be very rude, they tend to cause a lot of trouble.
they go to the same schools as us and have all the opportunities to learn that we do, yet they don't try to improve their situations. they dont try to get good grades and there were always fight in the halls, almost exclusivly between groups of black students. we have alternative schools packed with black students who couldnt stop fighting or selling drugs on campus.
forgive me if i sound cold to some, but you'd have to live here to understand.
and as far as Islam goes, the white people are racist against Muslims ( towel heads, sand niggers, terrorists, wife beaters, backwards thinking..etc...) but only because they think we are those things. and i don't think that is entirely their fault, we do not do enough to educate the people we live around, so the only sources of information they have are fox news, and George bush. and oppressed women walking around the grocery stores.
the women need to speak up, and the men need to let them.
the men need to be good examples(treating their wives fairly, and not selling alcohol and *!*!*!*!o next to "halal" meat..."grumbles".....)
i am from Colorado, boulder to be precise.
they are pro freedom of speech, pro gay , pro any religion. pro peace , pro environment, pro world. just be yourself and dont hurt anyone in the process.
i moved to florida, which is very far away from the midwest.
when i got here i couldnt understand why all the black people sat at different lunch tables than the white kids. i would try to talk to the black people in my classes and they would directly brush me off more than 60 percent of the time.
i later found out all the black people live in a different part of town, in little shacks and run down apartment buildings and stuff. that part of town has no grocery stores or decent restaurant's.i mean they have a hot dog stand and a run down diner, whereas my part of town has literally 5 huge grocery stores, at least 20 restaurant's, all kinds of stuff.
the black area has a bunch of run down gas stations that sell rolling papers and lots of alcohol junk food and candy. there are run down teen centers with crack dealers that hang out there at night and there is all kinds of gang activity.
this is all due to slavery in our past, and the fact that after slavery they were forced to make there own communities after wards. because the white people would not accept them equally.
but now the black people are far more racist in my opinion. when i was younger i was with some friends at the park and a group of black kids a bit older surrounded us with their faces covered with bandannas and such tried to get us to give them all our stuff, and held knives out. we wouldn't do it, so they grab the smallest one of us and kicked him repeatedly on the ground. most of the people with me were girls and i jumped up and ran over there tried to stop them, they came onto me, but the other one managed to run off and scream for help in the middle of the road. the black guys ran off.
it took me a long time to not be afraid of black people in the south.
i am not racist, and i know these people are oppressed, but it seems like they purposely keep to themselves and they don't give anyone a chance.
most of the people where i live are not southern at all and have nothing against black people in anyway. they move here and find it very hard to keep an open mind about them because they can be very rude, they tend to cause a lot of trouble.
they go to the same schools as us and have all the opportunities to learn that we do, yet they don't try to improve their situations. they dont try to get good grades and there were always fight in the halls, almost exclusivly between groups of black students. we have alternative schools packed with black students who couldnt stop fighting or selling drugs on campus.
forgive me if i sound cold to some, but you'd have to live here to understand.
and as far as Islam goes, the white people are racist against Muslims ( towel heads, sand niggers, terrorists, wife beaters, backwards thinking..etc...) but only because they think we are those things. and i don't think that is entirely their fault, we do not do enough to educate the people we live around, so the only sources of information they have are fox news, and George bush. and oppressed women walking around the grocery stores.
the women need to speak up, and the men need to let them.
the men need to be good examples(treating their wives fairly, and not selling alcohol and *!*!*!*!o next to "halal" meat..."grumbles".....)
Salaam,
Brother you use words like "these' people in refernce to Black Americans, it hurts.
There are very politcal reasons why there is little intergration. Read Brother Malcolm Shabazz. You are in the south. When you are placed in a rat hole and it is called home, you would be angry too. When there is little leadership you join a gang. There are many socio-economic issues here. Many of the youngster you describe eat one meal..free lunch at school.
When we use the same words as the oppresors we are helping them. Did you Salaam walaikum to the youths? People smell prejudice. And people react to it.
Brother, I am the mother of two of "these" people. Of all the inhabitants of the world two of "these " people happen to have my heart .
Brother you use words like "these' people in refernce to Black Americans, it hurts.
There are very politcal reasons why there is little intergration. Read Brother Malcolm Shabazz. You are in the south. When you are placed in a rat hole and it is called home, you would be angry too. When there is little leadership you join a gang. There are many socio-economic issues here. Many of the youngster you describe eat one meal..free lunch at school.
When we use the same words as the oppresors we are helping them. Did you Salaam walaikum to the youths? People smell prejudice. And people react to it.
Brother, I am the mother of two of "these" people. Of all the inhabitants of the world two of "these " people happen to have my heart .
suumaya
Junior Member
Asalamu alaikum
Brothers and sisters, you have no idea what kind of place i live, people over here are soo proud of being a redNeck they writed on the back of your trucks!!! it's tough being a black and muslim because one would dislike you for your color another for your Deen so it's kinda like getting slap on both cheeks!
by the way i live in the midwest.
Brothers and sisters, you have no idea what kind of place i live, people over here are soo proud of being a redNeck they writed on the back of your trucks!!! it's tough being a black and muslim because one would dislike you for your color another for your Deen so it's kinda like getting slap on both cheeks!
by the way i live in the midwest.
I hope you will get used to the name. I really am a red-necked construction worker living in the North of England. I like your site and I am finding out as much about Islam as I can.
I think Muslim humour is brilliant. Yesterday morning at 7.30 I was driving
into work when I spotted a brother and his family walking along the side of a main road. I assumed his car had broken down , or maybe they were new to the country and had somehow found themselves in the middle of nowhere . I turned the van around and pulled up alongside them.
" You are going to ***** ?" I asked, suddenly finding myself talking in very bad English.
The Brother stood warily away from the van with a puzzled look on his face.
" My Brother where are you going ?" I asked speaking each word slowly and clearly.
He looked even more puzzled. Then I noticed family were
very well dressed ( this was an affluent area ). They all looked at each other and I could see the start of a smile breaking out on their faces.
I thought I will try one more time ( I'm now kicking myself for not knowing the word for lift or transport in Arabic. I could only think of the word that sounded like " mirage" but they would think I was mad offering to transport them through the sky in an old builders van.)
Slowly again: " Do you need a lift ? "
At that point they all started laughing and smiling more.
The brother then spoke in perfect English : "It is very kind of you, but my family are out for their morning walk."
Muslim humour is very gracious. Thanks for the smiles.
Peace.
I think Muslim humour is brilliant. Yesterday morning at 7.30 I was driving
into work when I spotted a brother and his family walking along the side of a main road. I assumed his car had broken down , or maybe they were new to the country and had somehow found themselves in the middle of nowhere . I turned the van around and pulled up alongside them.
" You are going to ***** ?" I asked, suddenly finding myself talking in very bad English.
The Brother stood warily away from the van with a puzzled look on his face.
" My Brother where are you going ?" I asked speaking each word slowly and clearly.
He looked even more puzzled. Then I noticed family were
very well dressed ( this was an affluent area ). They all looked at each other and I could see the start of a smile breaking out on their faces.
I thought I will try one more time ( I'm now kicking myself for not knowing the word for lift or transport in Arabic. I could only think of the word that sounded like " mirage" but they would think I was mad offering to transport them through the sky in an old builders van.)
Slowly again: " Do you need a lift ? "
At that point they all started laughing and smiling more.
The brother then spoke in perfect English : "It is very kind of you, but my family are out for their morning walk."
Muslim humour is very gracious. Thanks for the smiles.
Peace.
Globalpeace
Banned
Racism in Europe?
Asslamo Allaikum,
I was raised in US and due to being in the Military moved around and got to know rednecks and hicks very well.
I now live in UK and like it a lot.
I am sick of Asians complaining about racism in the UK; trust me Europe (particularly UK) is NOT really racist! You have no idea what racism is…
Its not perfect but its not that bad.
1) We (4 friends) were in Geneva, Switzerland in the bus at around midnight and this white-swiss-girl with a MP3 player came on went past the 2 of them; sat down behind me & then she took her headphones off & we had a long casual chit-chat about life and things….It didn’t bother her that there were 4 guys with big beards when she started talking to us & we didn’t go “O No! White-Kaafir-Girl, morally reprehensible, promiscuous …Stay away….” We talked about Madonna crucifiction on the stage and her p**** the Catholic church off etc & all sorts of stupid meaningless stuff (while constantly inserting Islam in there "cleverly" for Dawah)…
2) In Italy in the train we had a 6’7” Serbian guy spoke to us about Bosnia & stuff and again we had a great conversation about all sorts of mental things (again inserting Islam in there from time to time)…Shooting cocaine and all sorts of stuff…
3) In UK I love the blatant, in your face, politically incorrect humour…I don’t shy away from conversations about Al-Qaida, Terrorism, wife-beatings etc….I present my point-of-view and talk about Islam…
4) Brothers/Sisters who back-pack a lot & stay in student hostels around the world would know that there are tons of Israeli students around (and they are nasty and arrogant; unlike students) so I can choose to be namby-pamby or be humorous, strike a conversation…Imagine the look on most westerners (Kuffar) when they actually see a guy with a beard with a sense of humour (for a change!); talking about all sorts of controversial issues and taking the living Michael out of everything; cracking jokes etc.
Yes there are RACIST people everywhere and then you can interpret a simple conversation and tie it to racism. Well what do you expect; us black-skinned-immigrant-foreigners have come to their countries and done better then them! We are richer, beter educated, drive better cars...And then we are building 70,000 people Mosques dead-smack in the middle of London!
Recently there is a court case at work between a Jamaican guy and one of the Managers (Carol)…They are both Non-Muslims and I know from the bottom of the heart that Carol is not a racist; her boyfriend is a good friend of mine and they both give me a lot of stick about my ethnicity, religion etc. BUT I know she is NOT racist. It is a damn shame that she is suspended from work!
P.S: I think Americans don’t really have a sense of humour OR it is so politically correct; its not even funny.
P.P.S: Had a conversation with someone while I was in Saudia and they talked about how they tried to get me into MSA (in school days) and I told them; you know why I never liked you guys at School? because all you MSA people looked down on me (as I wasn’t practising) & thought that I needed to be rescued into Islam…Alhum-do-lillah! Allah (SWT) saved me from pride back then and may Allah (SWT) save me from pride, now (Ameen)…
Give Dawah to people; but DON’T look down on people; DON’T think that you are too good!
You all have a MOUTH; don't you...Give it back...Live in Middle-East and then you will know what Racism is....No humour, you can't have a conversation; staright faces & people don't smile
Asslamo Allaikum,
I was raised in US and due to being in the Military moved around and got to know rednecks and hicks very well.
I now live in UK and like it a lot.
I am sick of Asians complaining about racism in the UK; trust me Europe (particularly UK) is NOT really racist! You have no idea what racism is…
Its not perfect but its not that bad.
1) We (4 friends) were in Geneva, Switzerland in the bus at around midnight and this white-swiss-girl with a MP3 player came on went past the 2 of them; sat down behind me & then she took her headphones off & we had a long casual chit-chat about life and things….It didn’t bother her that there were 4 guys with big beards when she started talking to us & we didn’t go “O No! White-Kaafir-Girl, morally reprehensible, promiscuous …Stay away….” We talked about Madonna crucifiction on the stage and her p**** the Catholic church off etc & all sorts of stupid meaningless stuff (while constantly inserting Islam in there "cleverly" for Dawah)…
2) In Italy in the train we had a 6’7” Serbian guy spoke to us about Bosnia & stuff and again we had a great conversation about all sorts of mental things (again inserting Islam in there from time to time)…Shooting cocaine and all sorts of stuff…
3) In UK I love the blatant, in your face, politically incorrect humour…I don’t shy away from conversations about Al-Qaida, Terrorism, wife-beatings etc….I present my point-of-view and talk about Islam…
4) Brothers/Sisters who back-pack a lot & stay in student hostels around the world would know that there are tons of Israeli students around (and they are nasty and arrogant; unlike students) so I can choose to be namby-pamby or be humorous, strike a conversation…Imagine the look on most westerners (Kuffar) when they actually see a guy with a beard with a sense of humour (for a change!); talking about all sorts of controversial issues and taking the living Michael out of everything; cracking jokes etc.
Yes there are RACIST people everywhere and then you can interpret a simple conversation and tie it to racism. Well what do you expect; us black-skinned-immigrant-foreigners have come to their countries and done better then them! We are richer, beter educated, drive better cars...And then we are building 70,000 people Mosques dead-smack in the middle of London!
Recently there is a court case at work between a Jamaican guy and one of the Managers (Carol)…They are both Non-Muslims and I know from the bottom of the heart that Carol is not a racist; her boyfriend is a good friend of mine and they both give me a lot of stick about my ethnicity, religion etc. BUT I know she is NOT racist. It is a damn shame that she is suspended from work!
P.S: I think Americans don’t really have a sense of humour OR it is so politically correct; its not even funny.
P.P.S: Had a conversation with someone while I was in Saudia and they talked about how they tried to get me into MSA (in school days) and I told them; you know why I never liked you guys at School? because all you MSA people looked down on me (as I wasn’t practising) & thought that I needed to be rescued into Islam…Alhum-do-lillah! Allah (SWT) saved me from pride back then and may Allah (SWT) save me from pride, now (Ameen)…
Give Dawah to people; but DON’T look down on people; DON’T think that you are too good!
You all have a MOUTH; don't you...Give it back...Live in Middle-East and then you will know what Racism is....No humour, you can't have a conversation; staright faces & people don't smile
abdallahbilal
Long Live Palestine
:salam2:
Sorry brother, but this is just inaccurate and generalized unless u mean Israel
or tribalism and sectarianism that is politically and imperially fed in Iraq Sudan and Egypt. Although this has nothing to do with racism, I agree with that part, with the exception of Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt where people are very humorous and cheerful. In other countries, Saudi, Jordan, and the Gulf in general, traces of tribal/religious customs still exist and people there are very kind to strangers, but still less cheerful because of the almost bedouin nature. Try to go to Medina in Ramadan, u won't leave without receiving hundreds of invitations to breakfast from people u don't know. Call on somebody in Jordan and see how generous people are to strangers. Many people invite u in even if they see u 4 the first time. Ask for road directions and u'll have the longest conversation ever.
There are churches in Syria, Palestine, and Jordan that date back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and others much older. Still standing as they are, unharmed, many of them very close to mosques. And believe it or not, many christians are so dissolved in the Muslim community that they celebrate Eid after Ramadan and Eid Ad-ha and occasionally have breakfast with Muslims in Ramadan, in Eid you won't distinguish Christian children from Muslim children.
Unfortunately, but only very recently, racism is really growing in the Middle East because of contemporary events and bkz of military and cultural imperialism, but before that, things were much better. I advice u brother to read what Malcolm X says about the status of all muslims in Saudi Arabia.
wassalam
Globalpeace
Banned
W-Salam Brother,
Habibi! I like your comments a lot as I think you are well balanced and articulate...BUT
You have to experience something in order to talk about it!
I will have to agree with you about people of Jordan & Syria being nicer; yet they are still racist to "Fellow Muslims".
You see in the West we have Kuffar being racist to us (Muslims).
In the Middle-East we have Muslims being racist to us (Muslims).
Malcolm X talks about "Muslims duing Hajj" & not Saudees.
And I agree that Haramin in Ramadhan are different; so what happens in the rest of 11 months?
Why doesn't the traffic STOP to pickup the body of a Bangali that has been hit?
Why doesn't anyone care of a 16 year Indonesian Muslimah maid who get sexually molested?
My Brother! I have seen Saudi woman dragging Muslim woman maids to the floor and STOMPING on their faces in Riyadh;
I have seen white people being pushed ahead of the queue on many Middle-East Airports a gazillion times ahead of Bangalee/India/Pakistanees.
So I hope that you will forgive me If I say that the “Middle-East” is a bit racist! people may not like it; but anyone who has travelled & lived there can see it clearly.
West is NOT OPENLY racist like Middle-East & that's what I am trying to say.
Open the floor to any Non-Arab-Non-White Muslims on TTI and ask them to describe personal stories or those of their relatives/families working in the Middle-East and lets see how deep the rabbit hole is.
P.S: My last input on the subject as this is not even worth talking about.
Whats 9/11 or 7/7 got to do with Muslims being racist to Muslims?
O & forget Malcolm X; read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/House-Saud-...5611131?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181563983&sr=8-2
Muslim on Muslim RACISM!
Habibi! I like your comments a lot as I think you are well balanced and articulate...BUT
You have to experience something in order to talk about it!
I will have to agree with you about people of Jordan & Syria being nicer; yet they are still racist to "Fellow Muslims".
You see in the West we have Kuffar being racist to us (Muslims).
In the Middle-East we have Muslims being racist to us (Muslims).
Malcolm X talks about "Muslims duing Hajj" & not Saudees.
And I agree that Haramin in Ramadhan are different; so what happens in the rest of 11 months?
Why doesn't the traffic STOP to pickup the body of a Bangali that has been hit?
Why doesn't anyone care of a 16 year Indonesian Muslimah maid who get sexually molested?
My Brother! I have seen Saudi woman dragging Muslim woman maids to the floor and STOMPING on their faces in Riyadh;
I have seen white people being pushed ahead of the queue on many Middle-East Airports a gazillion times ahead of Bangalee/India/Pakistanees.
So I hope that you will forgive me If I say that the “Middle-East” is a bit racist! people may not like it; but anyone who has travelled & lived there can see it clearly.
West is NOT OPENLY racist like Middle-East & that's what I am trying to say.
Open the floor to any Non-Arab-Non-White Muslims on TTI and ask them to describe personal stories or those of their relatives/families working in the Middle-East and lets see how deep the rabbit hole is.
P.S: My last input on the subject as this is not even worth talking about.
Whats 9/11 or 7/7 got to do with Muslims being racist to Muslims?
O & forget Malcolm X; read this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/House-Saud-...5611131?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181563983&sr=8-2
Muslim on Muslim RACISM!
:salam2:
Sorry brother, but this is just inaccurate and generalized unless u mean Israel
Although this has nothing to do with racism, I agree with that part, with the exception of Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt where people are very humorous and cheerful. In other countries, Saudi, Jordan, and the Gulf in general, traces of tribal/religious customs still exist and people there are very kind to strangers. Try to go to Medina in Ramadan, u won't leave without receiving hundreds of invitations to breakfast from people u don't know. Call on somebody in Jordan and see how generous people are to strangers. Many people invite u in even if they see u 4 the first time. Ask for road directions and u'll have the longest conversation ever.
There are churches in Syria, Palestine, and Jordan that date back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and others much older. Still standing as they are, unharmed, some of them very close to mosques.
Unfortunately racism is really growing in the Middle East because of contemporary events and bkz of imperialism, but before that, things were much better. I advice u brother to read what Malcolm X says about the status of all muslims in Saudi Arabia.
wassalam
abdallahbilal
Long Live Palestine
:salam2:
This is my 25th year in the Middle East
U seem angry a little bit. I'm sorry brother but I didn't mean to arouse ur anger. Take care and no hard feelings
Salaam,
Yes, we know it is there. We know who does what to whom and when. Sad to say but really the bottom line is and I will be brave enough to say it:
The closer you are to looking white...the better you are treated... Hollywood and tv have a lot to do with it..as did imperialism and captialism..
we become objects of desire and not spritual beings...
For some crazy reason..I have an English accent...baby let me tell you..on the phone I can get whatever I want..let me show up in my hijab..haha.
It is harder for men...it is more open.
We all carry traces of prejudice, racism, classism (?)...and we will until the final hour...these monsters we can only purge with faith.
Experiences are individual. We can not belittle the experiences of another. If you have been fortuante and not had to be humilated by the shallowness of antoher human being count your blessings. If you have lived in any multicultural environment..you know there is a pecking order..and the darker skinned you are the closer you are to the bottom rung of the ladder.
We all must have lost our hearing because our Beloved Prophet (swas) warned us about the equality of human beings.
Yes, we know it is there. We know who does what to whom and when. Sad to say but really the bottom line is and I will be brave enough to say it:
The closer you are to looking white...the better you are treated... Hollywood and tv have a lot to do with it..as did imperialism and captialism..
we become objects of desire and not spritual beings...
For some crazy reason..I have an English accent...baby let me tell you..on the phone I can get whatever I want..let me show up in my hijab..haha.
It is harder for men...it is more open.
We all carry traces of prejudice, racism, classism (?)...and we will until the final hour...these monsters we can only purge with faith.
Experiences are individual. We can not belittle the experiences of another. If you have been fortuante and not had to be humilated by the shallowness of antoher human being count your blessings. If you have lived in any multicultural environment..you know there is a pecking order..and the darker skinned you are the closer you are to the bottom rung of the ladder.
We all must have lost our hearing because our Beloved Prophet (swas) warned us about the equality of human beings.
Globalpeace
Banned
W-Salam Habibi,
No brother, I am not angry at all; Sorry if it came out like that.
25th year as what? What ethnicity are you? Which country are you living/working in? If you don't mind me asking.
No brother, I am not angry at all; Sorry if it came out like that.
25th year as what? What ethnicity are you? Which country are you living/working in? If you don't mind me asking.
:salam2:
This is my 25th year in the Middle East
U seem angry a little bit. I'm sorry brother but I didn't mean to arouse ur anger. Take care and no hard feelings
Make of this what you will. I'm a white, ( for the moment ) non Muslim.
I have all the appearance of a British builder right down to the checked shirt , tattoos and hairy forearms.
I was sitting outside in the sun reading a translation of the early Suras when a non Muslim came up and stated a conversation with me . "What is that all about ? " he said as if he had been wondering for a while.
I told him "this" was" very much worth a read, great book, its a huge, beautifully constructed sound poem revealed by God to a man, who probably was not taught how to read or write , this man had been sitting for a while in a cave, these are the early revelations ..."
" Umm that's interesting" he said obviously a bit uneasy, " look , do you mind me asking , whilst we have been speaking , I've been trying to work this out -Which country did your family originally come from...?
I have all the appearance of a British builder right down to the checked shirt , tattoos and hairy forearms.
I was sitting outside in the sun reading a translation of the early Suras when a non Muslim came up and stated a conversation with me . "What is that all about ? " he said as if he had been wondering for a while.
I told him "this" was" very much worth a read, great book, its a huge, beautifully constructed sound poem revealed by God to a man, who probably was not taught how to read or write , this man had been sitting for a while in a cave, these are the early revelations ..."
" Umm that's interesting" he said obviously a bit uneasy, " look , do you mind me asking , whilst we have been speaking , I've been trying to work this out -Which country did your family originally come from...?
Globalpeace
Banned
Dude...
We have ugly racism everywhere and its a damn shame. Hopefully our generation will kill it FOR GOOD!
This is Islam, this is what Prophet Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said in his ONLY pilgrimage:
"... All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab, also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves...".
We have ugly racism everywhere and its a damn shame. Hopefully our generation will kill it FOR GOOD!
This is Islam, this is what Prophet Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said in his ONLY pilgrimage:
"... All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab, also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves...".
justoneofmillion
Junior Member
ASSALAM,well brother you may have had some experience but the word Arab covers a wider range than middle eastern also so how many exeptions and with how much subtility can we approach such a subject without fearing of being unjust and to what extent are we willing to go to sacrifice the god given diversity of each individual?there were thousands and thousands of what you call Arabs that went to fight in bosnia,afghanistan,iraq.,kosovo.,chechenya.....etc.and only Allah swt knows where else, do you see any descrimination in there?do you see any distinction when it comes to the ultimate sacrifice? no alhamdulillah!!!i know that there are awful things going on no question ,but using the word Arab ,african,european or pakistani to define the unislamic behaviour of some even if they are a lot is kind of giving a label to someone just because of their ethnicity and nurturing the already existing scepticisme , we are acctually doing the same thing we hated at the first place!! this ummah need to unite inschallah but we have to keep a cold mind sometimes reject that defensive and reactionary feeling no matter what! and concentrate on the aim that is or at least should be behind our actions and statements "unity" i will leave this my last post on the subject i know that these things must be discussed but on many occasions i have felt with all the esteem and respect that some brothers/siters here on TTI sometimes faill to realise the complexity of the situation in some countries especially regarding their history and political systems that controle the information and education from early ages marginalising most of all the islamic education making sure that the voices of unity are less heard sometimes kept and tortured in jails even and that those voices of national pride,distinction and therefore restrictive world views become the source of aspiration,a pitty aspiration in my mind because when you talk only abt the colonisation periode and the wars of liberation in schools you have a smaller chance to export your culture and ideology even in a world where information and communication have become such a double rails road...!!! last time a muslim brother said that he has being to Saudi Arabia and that Quote"people do not even speak english there.!!"
why?should they?why is it not the otherway around how would it feel if people came to your country and started to complain abt the fact that you don`t speak their language?that is a weird position i think especially coming from brothers this kind of attitude will certainly not help the ummah to regain it`s self esteem to long for greater aspirations shouldn`t that be our main goal?and Allah swt as always knows best.may allah swt unite us destroy those who are working hard to devide us and raise the awarness of this maliscious ping pong going on in the hearts and minds of every breathing muslim on the globe.
wassalam
abdallahbilal
Long Live Palestine
I also have to agree with some of what u said.
I'm citizen of Jordan, although not of Jordanian lineage. I guess even if I'm not a Pakistani or a an Indonesian, I still can feel with Muslims of such origins if ever they are mistreated, and I know mistreatment occurs from time to time. But I also know of many maids who are treated as members of the family, and fewer treated badly in Jordan. I don't want to idealize ME, but the cases that u pointed to are individual but more present in the Gulf where luxuary is extreme and religion is on the shelf in some areas.
I have a friend working in Saudi Arabia who often tells me "There are areas where u think people are Sahabis because of their treatment!" Dua groups built basketball courts for Chinese (who are often called 'yellows' by racists) and invited them to Islam, many converted.
I agree there are exceptional cases: Many Indenesians and Malaysians come to ME to study Sharia thinking we are sons of Sahaba, only to discover that we are, by far, less religious than them. But they socialize easily, although they don't like local food
Chinese were stereotyped as HIV projects in Jordan and everybody avoided them, until an Islamic preacher invited them to dinner and talked to them about Islam. Many converted. In a week, the chinese embassy told him, u can preach Islam in china if u like and have a visa whenever u like.
You will never know that people here enjoy listening to Pakistani preachers more than to Arabs unless u see it. Many imitate Pakistani islamic dress!
Summary:
incorrect: Muslims are discrimanatory against ethnically different Muslims.
Correct: Uncommited Muslims/ Muslims by name are sometimes discrimanatory against ethnically different Muslims. Pan Arabists might be an example.
Wassalam
TheHumbleWun
Banned
Asalaamalikum,
In my humble opinion, Islam is the only solution to defeating racisim. Islam brings people out of ignorance.
No disrespect to any Christians, but here in America racism still and will continue to exist. I mean you literally have black and white churches, "white" music, "black" music, dressing "white," dressing "black," talking "white," talking "black." This is banannas. People try to differentiate themselves based on their skin color.
From my own personal experiences, especially with Muslims, I don't see 'color' rather character in a person. There seems to be unity when we call each other brothers or sisters. The boundaries of racism gets whipped out with brotherhood and sisterhood.
The reason people are racist is probably because of their own ignorance, lack of knowledge, no education, and family history.
In my humble opinion, Islam is the only solution to defeating racisim. Islam brings people out of ignorance.
No disrespect to any Christians, but here in America racism still and will continue to exist. I mean you literally have black and white churches, "white" music, "black" music, dressing "white," dressing "black," talking "white," talking "black." This is banannas. People try to differentiate themselves based on their skin color.
From my own personal experiences, especially with Muslims, I don't see 'color' rather character in a person. There seems to be unity when we call each other brothers or sisters. The boundaries of racism gets whipped out with brotherhood and sisterhood.
The reason people are racist is probably because of their own ignorance, lack of knowledge, no education, and family history.
Saifu deen
Alhamdullah..
Assalam Alykom
I agree with sister mirajmom. There are different types of racisms today. Silent racism (very dangerous), Physical violence due to racism, unemployment due to racism, euthanasia due to racism....... The world is full of racism, but the question is will be a racist yourself, once you become a victim of crime.... Inshallah the answer is no, because we all know the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah.....
Again I agree with mirjmom when she wrote ''Brother you use words like "these' people in refernce to Black Americans, it hurts''. Brother don't you remember how much our prophet Mohammed (PBUH) loved the company of Bilal (RA). ALthough Bilal was black. There is no different between black or white. Black commit racist acts, white committ racist acts, Arabs committ racist acts.... But lets not forget there are lovely people around us everyday, for example my neighbour (an eldery British Lady and Christian), she tells me good morning my son, and I reply back good morning mum....We really have very great laugh. In every Ramadan we invite her to eat with us, we clean her door steps, take her rubbish and throw it away..... But hey I am black, and she is white.... Follow the example of our beloved Prophet you will find happiness.
Wassalam Alykom..
I agree with sister mirajmom. There are different types of racisms today. Silent racism (very dangerous), Physical violence due to racism, unemployment due to racism, euthanasia due to racism....... The world is full of racism, but the question is will be a racist yourself, once you become a victim of crime.... Inshallah the answer is no, because we all know the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah.....
Again I agree with mirjmom when she wrote ''Brother you use words like "these' people in refernce to Black Americans, it hurts''. Brother don't you remember how much our prophet Mohammed (PBUH) loved the company of Bilal (RA). ALthough Bilal was black. There is no different between black or white. Black commit racist acts, white committ racist acts, Arabs committ racist acts.... But lets not forget there are lovely people around us everyday, for example my neighbour (an eldery British Lady and Christian), she tells me good morning my son, and I reply back good morning mum....We really have very great laugh. In every Ramadan we invite her to eat with us, we clean her door steps, take her rubbish and throw it away..... But hey I am black, and she is white.... Follow the example of our beloved Prophet you will find happiness.
Wassalam Alykom..
Saifu deen
Alhamdullah..
Assalam Alykom
Redneck that was a very nice story... You are a very very humble redneck...lol.. Welcome to TTI.....
Redneck that was a very nice story... You are a very very humble redneck...lol.. Welcome to TTI.....
Globalpeace
Banned
Negative Racism
Asslamo Allaikum Brothers,
Some great comments from you brothers….I am NOT saying that all ARABS are racist; but I am saying that it is prevalent!
I am a 35 year non-white-non-Arab Muslim, with post-graduate education, speak at least 4 different languages and done consultancy on 4 different continents (worldwide).
Alhum-do-lillah I have met and worked with some of the people who had the chance to spend their time with Malcolm-X & Elijah Muhammaed, WD Muhammad etc.
I have also spent my youth in America (Military).
In my humble & limited experience; Middle-East is institutionally racist towards non-white-non-Arab Muslims; some more so then others; some less so. But the Arabs in the West behave VASTLY different to how they behave in their homelands.
Being racist is NOT a bad thing; you have to be positivist racist.
This is in the blood of Arabs and Islam gave it a sense of direction i.e. instead of being racist and bigoted for Jahilliyah; they were FOR IT…Please read the Muqaddam of Ibn-Khuldoon (RA) and you will know precisely what I am talking about, Insha’Allah.
This negative racism was exploited to the fullest extent by puppets like “Lawrence of Arabia”…Arab-Turkish friction was blown up and ignited to break the Muslim unity and eventually break the hearts/minds of Muslim ummah.
We are still suffering because of Negative racsism.
These are only my subjective analyst and everyone has a right to disagree.
I fully understand that the reasons are lack of understanding of Islam and its primary sources (Qur’aan/Sunnah) and lack of practise. I fully understand that if the Arabs return to Islam then there can be nothing better as they brought Islam to US (Non-Arabs) and may Allah (SWT) eternally reward them for it.
In my humble & limited experience; Asians (particularly my people i.e. Pakistanees) in the West are RACIST towards other Muslims & that’s for all to see.
Quicker the Arabs can get rid of their habits and quicker we Asians can get rid of ours; Ummah will prosper.
P.S: Israel is an example of "Positive Racism"; All I ask for Brothers/Sisters is to read the Muqaddama of Ibn-Khaldoun and understand it, before commenting on this statement.
Lets work together, return to Qur'aan/Sunnah and QUASH negative racism; where-ever it is, Insha'Allah.
Asslamo Allaikum Brothers,
Some great comments from you brothers….I am NOT saying that all ARABS are racist; but I am saying that it is prevalent!
I am a 35 year non-white-non-Arab Muslim, with post-graduate education, speak at least 4 different languages and done consultancy on 4 different continents (worldwide).
Alhum-do-lillah I have met and worked with some of the people who had the chance to spend their time with Malcolm-X & Elijah Muhammaed, WD Muhammad etc.
I have also spent my youth in America (Military).
In my humble & limited experience; Middle-East is institutionally racist towards non-white-non-Arab Muslims; some more so then others; some less so. But the Arabs in the West behave VASTLY different to how they behave in their homelands.
Being racist is NOT a bad thing; you have to be positivist racist.
This is in the blood of Arabs and Islam gave it a sense of direction i.e. instead of being racist and bigoted for Jahilliyah; they were FOR IT…Please read the Muqaddam of Ibn-Khuldoon (RA) and you will know precisely what I am talking about, Insha’Allah.
This negative racism was exploited to the fullest extent by puppets like “Lawrence of Arabia”…Arab-Turkish friction was blown up and ignited to break the Muslim unity and eventually break the hearts/minds of Muslim ummah.
We are still suffering because of Negative racsism.
These are only my subjective analyst and everyone has a right to disagree.
I fully understand that the reasons are lack of understanding of Islam and its primary sources (Qur’aan/Sunnah) and lack of practise. I fully understand that if the Arabs return to Islam then there can be nothing better as they brought Islam to US (Non-Arabs) and may Allah (SWT) eternally reward them for it.
In my humble & limited experience; Asians (particularly my people i.e. Pakistanees) in the West are RACIST towards other Muslims & that’s for all to see.
Quicker the Arabs can get rid of their habits and quicker we Asians can get rid of ours; Ummah will prosper.
P.S: Israel is an example of "Positive Racism"; All I ask for Brothers/Sisters is to read the Muqaddama of Ibn-Khaldoun and understand it, before commenting on this statement.
Lets work together, return to Qur'aan/Sunnah and QUASH negative racism; where-ever it is, Insha'Allah.
I also have to agree with some of what u said.
I'm citizen of Jordan, although not of Jordanian lineage. I guess even if I'm not a Pakistani or a an Indonesian, I still can feel with Muslims of such origins if ever they are mistreated, and I know mistreatment occurs from time to time. But I also know of many maids who are treated as members of the family, and fewer treated badly in Jordan. I don't want to idealize ME, but the cases that u pointed to are individual but more present in the Gulf where luxuary is extreme and religion is on the shelf in some areas.
I have a friend working in Saudi Arabia who often tells me "There are areas where u think people are Sahabis because of their treatment!" Dua groups built basketball courts for Chinese (who are often called 'yellows' by racists) and invited them to Islam, many converted.
I agree there are exceptional cases: Many Indenesians and Malaysians come to ME to study Sharia thinking we are sons of Sahaba, only to discover that we are, by far, less religious than them. But they socialize easily, although they don't like local food
Chinese were stereotyped as HIV projects in Jordan and everybody avoided them, until an Islamic preacher invited them to dinner and talked to them about Islam. Many converted. In a week, the chinese embassy told him, u can preach Islam in china if u like and have a visa whenever u like.
You will never know that people here enjoy listening to Pakistani preachers more than to Arabs unless u see it. Many imitate Pakistani islamic dress!
Summary:
incorrect: Muslims are discrimanatory against ethnically different Muslims.
Correct: Uncommited Muslims/ Muslims by name are sometimes discrimanatory against ethnically different Muslims. Pan Arabists might be an example.
Wassalam