After death

Delta

Banned
Assalamu Aleikum

The world's population is believed to be just over 6.6 billion, each of us humans are unique, each of us has his own experiences, memories, etc......something as our unique "data-bank" different from each other, is what makes us unequaled, and singular beings

Well, how does Allah restore our "data-bank" after we die ? our body is finished, everyone knows that, once died and buried it is lost forever

Will He make a new data-bank ?

I ask this because a religion must have answers to this "human" and logic questions
 

Delta

Banned
Do you consider God even less than a Data Recovery Software ?

Assalamu Aleikum Mohsin

Not God, because He Is

But humans once dead their existence is finished, they ended To Be

And if you believe in life after death then something from you must survive

It is pure logic, but I can't find any answer to this in the religion of Islam
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Every Person will have the Book of his Deeds with Him

After mentioning time, and the deeds of the son of Adam that take place therein, Allah says:

[وَكُلَّ إِنْسَـنٍ أَلْزَمْنَـهُ طَـئِرَهُ فِى عُنُقِهِ]

(And We have fastened every man's Ta'irah (deeds) to his neck,) The word Ta'irah (lit. something that flies) refers to man's deeds which fly from him, as Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid and others said. It includes both good deeds and bad deeds, he will be forced to acknowledge them and will be rewarded or punished accordingly.

[فَمَن يَعْمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ خَيْراً يَرَهُ - وَمَن يَعْـمَلْ مِثْقَالَ ذَرَّةٍ شَرّاً يَرَهُ ]

(So whosoever does good equal to the weight of a speck of dust shall see it. And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of a speck of dust shall see it.) (99:7-8). Allah says:

[إِذْ يَتَلَقَّى الْمُتَلَقِّيَانِ عَنِ الْيَمِينِ وَعَنِ الشِّمَالِ قَعِيدٌ - مَّا يَلْفِظُ مِن قَوْلٍ إِلاَّ لَدَيْهِ رَقِيبٌ عَتِيدٌ ]

((Remember) that the two receivers (recording angels) receive (each human being), one sitting on the right and one on the left (to note his or her actions). Not a word does he (or she) utter but there is a watcher by him ready (to record it).) (50:17-18)

[وَإِنَّ عَلَيْكُمْ لَحَـفِظِينَ - كِرَاماً كَـتِبِينَ - يَعْلَمُونَ مَا تَفْعَلُونَ ]

(But verily, over you (are appointed angels in charge of mankind) to watch you, Kiraman (Honorable) Katibin - writing down (your deeds), they know all that you do.) (82:10-12)

[إِنَّمَا تُجْزَوْنَ مَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ]

(You are only being requited for what you used to do.) [52:16]

[مَن يَعْمَلْ سُوءًا يُجْزَ بِهِ]

(whosoever works evil, will have the recompense thereof.) [4:123] The meaning is that the deeds of the sons of Adam are preserved, whether they are great or small, and they are recorded night and day, morning and evening.

[وَنُخْرِجُ لَهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَـمَةِ كِتَابًا يَلْقَـهُ مَنْشُوراً]

(and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall bring out for him a Book which he will find wide open.) meaning, `We will collect all of his deeds for him in a Book which will be given to him on the Day of Resurrection, either in his right hand, if he is one of the blessed, or in his left hand if he is one of the wretched.'

[مَنْشُوراً]

(wide open) means, it will be open for him and others to read all of his deeds, from the beginning of his life until the end.

[يُنَبَّأُ الإِنسَـنُ يَوْمَئِذِ بِمَا قَدَّمَ وَأَخَّرَ - بَلِ الإِنسَـنُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ بَصِيرَةٌ - وَلَوْ أَلْقَى مَعَاذِيرَهُ ]

(On that Day man will be informed of what (deeds) he sent forward, and what (deeds) he left behind. Nay! Man will be a witness against himself, though he may put forth his excuses.) (75:13-15) Allah says:

[اقْرَأْ كَتَـبَكَ كَفَى بِنَفْسِكَ الْيَوْمَ عَلَيْكَ حَسِيبًا ]

((It will be said to him): "Read your Book. You yourself are sufficient as a reckoner against you this Day.'') meaning, you have not been treated unjustly and nothing has been recorded against you except what you have done, because you remember everything that you have done, and no one will forget anything that he did. Everyone will be able to read his Book, whether he is literate or illiterate.

[أَلْزَمْنَـهُ طَـئِرَهُ فِى عُنُقِهِ]

(And We have fastened every man's Ta'irah (deeds) to his neck,) The neck is mentioned because it is a part of the body that has no counterpart, and when one is restrained by it, he has no escape. Ma`mar narrated from Qatadah, "His deeds,

[وَنُخْرِجُ لَهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَـمَةِ]

(and on the Day of Resurrection, We shall bring out for him) We shall bring forth those deeds.''

[كِتَابًا يَلْقَـهُ مَنْشُوراً]

(a Book which he will find wide open.) Ma`mar said: Al-Hasan recited,

[عَنِ الْيَمِينِ وَعَنِ الشِّمَالِ قَعِيدٌ]

(one sitting on the right and one on the left. ) [50:17] [And he said;] "O son of Adam, your Book has been opened for you, and two noble angels have been entrusted to accompany you, one on your right and one on your left. The one who is on your right records your good deeds, and the one who is on your left records your bad deeds. `So do whatever you want, a lot or a little, until you die, then I will fold up your Book and tie it to your neck with you in your grave. Then when you come out on the Day of Resurrection, you will find the Book wide open, so read your Book.' By Allah, the One Who makes you accountable for your own deeds is being perfectly just.'' These are some of the best words Al-Hasan ever spoke, may Allah have mercy on him.

[مَّنِ اهْتَدَى فَإِنَّمَا يَهْتَدى لِنَفْسِهِ وَمَن ضَلَّ فَإِنَّمَا يَضِلُّ عَلَيْهَا وَلاَ تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولاً ]
(15. Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of himself. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray at his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another's burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).)
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
[مِنْهَا خَلَقْنَـكُمْ وَفِيهَا نُعِيدُكُمْ وَمِنْهَا نُخْرِجُكُمْ تَارَةً أُخْرَى ]

(Thereof We created you, and into it we shall return you, and from it We shall bring you out once again.) meaning, `the earth is your beginning. For your father, Adam, was created with dirt from the surface of the earth. You also will be returned to the earth. This means that you will become dirt when you die and decay.' The statement, "And from it We shall bring you out once again,'' means,

[يَوْمَ يَدْعُوكُمْ فَتَسْتَجِيبُونَ بِحَمْدِهِ وَتَظُنُّونَ إِن لَّبِثْتُمْ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً ]

(On the Day when He will call you, and you will answer with His praise and obedience, and you will think that you have stayed (in this world) but a little while!) [17:52] This Ayah is similar to Allah's statement,

[قَالَ فِيهَا تَحْيَوْنَ وَفِيهَا تَمُوتُونَ وَمِنْهَا تُخْرَجُونَ ]
(He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out.'') [7:25]
 

massi

Junior Member
Resurrection after death

Question:
After death, until Yaum Al-Qiyama, are the human beings reborn in any other form?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

When the son of Adam dies, his body disintegrates and vanishes apart from the tailbone, which is a bone at the base of the spine. When the Resurrection begins, Allaah will cause the bodies to grow by means of rain from the earth which will make these bones grow until each person’s body is restored to the way it was before he died.

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘What is between the two Trumpet-blasts will be forty.’ Somebody asked, ‘Forty days?’ But I could not answer. Then he asked, ‘Forty months?’ But I could not answer. Then he asked, ‘Forty years?’ But I could not answer.” Abu Hurayrah added, “Then (after this period) Allah will send water from the sky and then the dead bodies will grow like vegetation grows. There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone; that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx from which the human body will be recreated on the Day of Resurrection.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4651; Muslim, 2955).

Al-Nawawi said:

“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘What is between the two Trumpet-blasts will be forty.’ Somebody asked, ‘Forty days?’ But I could not answer…” What is meant is that he refused to specify whether it would be forty days, or years, or months. Rather what he was sure of was that it would be just forty. It is explained in another report narrated by someone other than Muslim, which says that it will be forty years.

The phrase “the little bone at the end of the coccyx” refers to the small bone at the base of the spine, which is the end of the coccyx. This is the first part of a person that is created, and it is what will be left of him so that he will be created anew from it.

Sharh Muslim, 18/92

When a person comes forth from his grave and is gathered and brought to account, his body will remain the same as it was before he died. Then when the people of Paradise enter Paradise and the people of Hell enter Hell, Allaah will change their forms.

Description of the people of Hell:

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The distance between the shoulders of the kaafir [in Hell] will be that of three days’ swift travelling.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6186; Muslim, 2852).

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The molar of the kaafir – or the eyetooth of the kaafir – will be like Uhud, and his skin will be as thick as three days’ travelling.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2851).

Description of the people of Paradise:

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The first group to enter Paradise will look like the moon when it is full; then those who follow them will look like the brightest star in the sky. They will not urinate or defecate, spit or blow their noses. Their combs will be of gold, their sweat will be musk, their incense burners will be of aloes-wood. Their wives will be al-hoor al-‘iyn and they will all look alike, like their father Adam, sixty cubits tall.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3149; Muslim, 2834)

It was narrated from Mu’aadh ibn Jabal that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The people of Paradise will enter Paradise hairless and beardless, with kohl-rimmed eyes, all thirty or thirty-three years old.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2545).

This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 8072.

And Allaah knows best.

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Delta

Banned

Every Person will have the Book of his Deeds with Him

I think that this has nothing to do with life after death, but the destiny or fate after death : Hell or Paradise

The phrase “the little bone at the end of the coccyx” refers to the small bone at the base of the spine, which is the end of the coccyx. This is the first part of a person that is created, and it is what will be left of him so that he will be created anew from it.

That's What I meant when I said "something must be left from you"

That's true for resurrection in this earth where your bones are, but you can't transport your bones to paradise, well I guess

How are you resurrected in paradise ?
 

saffanah

speak good or silent
May this answer your question

The Qur'an which is the principal source for all such topics repeatedly states that resurrection will be bodily. It proclaims, clearly and unmistakably, that man will be resurrected with the body he has had in this world. The verses in question are indeed so explicit as to leave no room for symbolic interpretation. Consider, for example, these verses:

"God begins creation, then He renews it, and after that causes it to return to Him" (30:11).

"Does man imagine that We will not gather together his bones? We are able to recreate even the tips of his fingers" (75:3-4).

The second of these two verses states that those who imagine the body to be incapable of renewed life, after the dissolution and scattering of its particles, are, in reality, unaware of God's infinite power; they do not understand that the reconstruction of human life out of the scattered particles of the body, even to the extent of reproducing the minutiae of the fingertips, represents a small and insignificant task for the boundless power of the Creator.

"Say: `He will give life to the bones Who created them for the first time; certainly He is aware of all His creation." (36:79).

A Story from the Qur'an

The Noble Qur'an presents narratives concerning the prophets `Uzayr and Ibrahim, the Friend of God, each of which includes a living example of bodily resurrection. God clarifies the matter for each of these great prophets by placing before them a concrete example of dead forms being restored to life once the necessary circumstances come to obtain by divine order: the spirit becomes manifest anew in the body so that its life resumes.

We read in the story of `Uzayr that mounted on his donkey he once came across a ruin in the course of a journey. In that ruin he was confronted by the dreadful sight of the rotting bones of men who had long since died. He plunged deep into thought and asked himself, "How will God bring these back to life?"

At that very moment God took his soul, but one hundred years later He brought him back to life. He asked him, "How long have you been here?" He immediately answered, "One day or less."

`Uzayr was then informed that he had been in that place for a hundred years, lying lifeless on the ground exactly where he had fallen. He was instructed to look at his donkey, and saw that its body was thoroughly decomposed: then God brought it back life.

In the story of `Uzayr, we also see that in order to demonstrate the limitlessness of His power God preserved water and foodstuffs intact for a hundred years, objects that decay or vaporize more quickly than living beings on account of their exposure to natural factors such as heat, sunlight, wind and dust. He addressed `Uzayr as follows:

"Look at your food and drink; it has not changed and it shows no sign of age. Look too at your donkey, so that its story becomes apparent to you and We may make of you a proof for people so that they no longer deny resurrection. Look at the rotten bones, and see how We bring them together and make flesh grow on them. When all this was shown clearly to him (the verse continues), he said, `I know now for certain that God is empowered over all things'" (2:259).

The Qur'an depicts another concrete instance of bodily resurrection in one of the narratives concerning Ibrahim, upon whom be peace. It tells with the utmost clarity how Ibrahim witnessed with his own eyes the reassembling of the scattered particles of a body:

"When Ibrahim said: `O God, show me how you bring the dead back to life, ` God responded, `Do you not believe?' He said, `I do, but I wish my heart to be reassured.' So God said, `Choose four types of birds, and mix their flesh together, and place portions on the top of mountains. Then summon the birds, and they will come hastening to you. You will then know that God is empowered over all things and is aware of the truth of all things." (2:260).

Ibrahim was rationally and logically convinced of the truth of resurrection, but he wished also to witness it in sensory fashion. He posed the very wise question of how the dead are brought back to life.

One may believe in a variety of things without being aware of their precise nature, a simple example being that we believe in the reality of radio and television without knowing anything of how the sounds and images reach us.

Ibrahim believed in the principle of resurrection and the renewal of life, but he wished also to understand how the dead are brought back to life, to know it directly by means of a concrete example, and to satisfy his inner feelings by means of sensory experience.

After Ibrahim witnessed that remarkable scene, he was instructed to ponder upon it and to realize that God is capable of all things and that given His infinite knowledge and power it is a small matter for Him to identify and reassemble the scattered particles of the dead.

Imam al-Sajjad, upon whom be peace, said:

"At the time of resurrection men's bodies will grow out of the ground like plants. The particles that were transformed into earth will rejoin each other, through the will and the power of God, so that if even a thousand people should have been buried in the same grave and their flesh and their rotting bones intermingled, they will separate on the day of resurrection; the earthly remains of each dead person will be quite distinct." (Li'ali al-Akhbar, p. 456)

There are many clear verses in the Qur'an, additional to those we have cited, which point clearly to the nature of resurrection. They refute all restriction of renewed life to the spirit, Using such expressions such as "God will certainly resurrect the dead from their tombs" (22:6).

In another verse we read, "You will return to Him just as He created you" (7: 29).

In concise and eloquent fashion, this verse draws the attention of man to his original creation, reminding him how the form of his body was fashioned from the various solid elements of the earth and from water. The different elements which were compounded in him had first existed in the form of foodstuffs fruits and vegetables scattered over the face of the earth or drops of water taken from the depths of the ocean to be transformed into vapor and rain. Why then should man not believe that those same materials, separated from each other and scattered by wind and by storm, will be gathered together again and resume their previous shape and form? If the restoration of life is impossible, how is it that an exactly similar process took place at the beginning of creation?

From the moment that the spirit is connected to the human body, a special kind of union between the two comes into existence which becomes deeper and more complete with the passage of time. A precise and subtle affinity and harmony comes to prevail, as a result of which spirit and body fall under each other's influence; attributes of the spirit appear in the body, and attributes of the body appear in the spirit. Even the occurrence of death and the separation of the spirit from the body combined with its transfer to another world do not bring this affinity to an end. The various changes that the spirit and the particles of the body separately undergo also fail to affect this affinity, and although the earthly particles of the body exist in different material circumstances from before, they retain their links with the spirit.

Thus the material body and the non-material spirit are linked through the very circumstances of their origin; acquiring a whole series of shared characteristics that further join them together, they retain their affinity throughout the changes and motions they separately undergo.

A corollary of this is that hidden within every drop of sperm are both spiritual characteristics and physical properties.

The affinity between body and spirit causes each spirit to incline in the direction of the body and its particles, by means of the appropriate motions that have come to adhere to the spirit, and also attracts each body towards the spirit, in accordance with a particular set of circumstances and a series of divinely decreed norms. After passing through various stages of change the body leaves its earthly form behind and by an act of God is transformed into a more perfect form, in which it resumes its close link and union with the spirit.

It is worth mentioning that the changes mentioned above are also repeated in the world of being. The earthly particles of our present body are the result of transformations that have taken place because of a specific set of causes. Not only does the body take shape by means of those transformations; each body also is constantly renewed through the decay of the elements and particles that compose it and the replacement of those elements and particles by new ones.

The Noble Qur'an says the following about the comprehensive and all-embracing transformation by means of which the whole order of being will be changed into something other than itself:

"The day on which the heavens and earth will be changed into other than the heaven and earth, and all will be brought before God, the One and All-Powerful" (14:48).

The earthly particles of the human body follow therefore the general transformations that the whole order of being undergoes; they are transformed, in fact, in conjunction with the totality of that order, taking on a more complete aspect in which their true nature becomes apparent and man recovers his true being.

It must be remarked that although the body man will possess in the hereafter is fashioned from the particles of his present body and has the same shape, it will nonetheless have acquired new characteristics which are incompatible with the recognized criteria of this world and are inconceivable to our minds. Our body in the hereafter will be capable of new effects fully compatible with that realm, the comprehension of which, together its interrelations and the norms that govern it, requires a higher consciousness than we now possess.
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Mohsin

abdu'Allah
That's What I meant when I said "something must be left from you"

That's true for resurrection in this earth where your bones are, but you can't transport your bones to paradise, well I guess

How are you resurrected in paradise ?
You are guessing a lot brother, isnt that against pure logic ?
 

massi

Junior Member
well well i find this fatwa but the part two is about your second question :



how will be people be able to bear the sun being brought close on the Day of Resurrection?

Question:
How will the sun be brought close to mankind until it is one mile away from them on the Day of Resurrection without burning them, when if it were brought close now, it would burn the earth?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The believer’s responsibility with regard to reports of the unseen is to accept and submit to them, and not to ask how or why. This is the foundation on which out ‘aqeedah must be built, because this is a matter that is beyond your comprehension. So you have to accept it and submit and say, “We believe. We believe that the sun will be brought close to mankind on the Day of Resurrection until it is one mile away from them. Asking any futher questions about that is a kind of innovation (bid’ah). Hence when Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked how Allaah rose above the Throne, he said, “Asking about this is bid’ah.” Similarly it is bid’ah to ask about all other matters of the unseen; man's attitude towards them should be to accept and submit.

The answer to the second part of the question, about the sun being brought close to mankind on the Day of Resurrection:

We say that bodies will not be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection in the form in which they were in this world, with their shortcoming and inability to bear that; rather they will be resurrected whole and complete. Hence the people will stand on the Day of Resurrection for a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years, neither eating nor drinking. This is something which would be impossible in this world. Then the sun will be brought close to them and their bodies will be given the ability to bear its being brought close, as we have mentioned above that they will be able to stand for fifty thousand years without needing food or drink. So their bodies on the Day of Resurrection will be different from their bodies in this world.


From Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 2/35.

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Delta

Banned
Hello Delta,
We all have a soul which goes on into the next life and we will be ressurected in bodily form, this we muslims belive, I thought in Christianity you thought the same, or I am mistaken?

Hi, mustafa

Yes I thought in Christianity, because Christians believes that humans are a image of God, i.e., the Trinity image :

1. Soul. Neither seen nor felt, but contains our databank that makes us who we are. Relates to the Father.
2. Body. Our manifestation. You can see it and feel it. Relates to the Son.
3. Spirit. You can neither see nor feel our spirit, just like God's Spirit.

I'm currently reading the bible, here is that verse, I'm trying to think religion by my own :

"And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Genesis, 2-7

And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground - the body
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life - the spirit
and man became a living soul - self explanatory

But saying that humans have a soul and a body means that we are like the trinity, 2 in 1 or 3 in 1, doesn't matter because it fits in Christians believes about God, which is a blasphemy to Islam, a big one


So, Mustafa, you can't say that humans have a soul, or you must accept the Trinity concept because is the same concept

whatever, I will try to find answers in Islam
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
I think that this has nothing to do with life after death, but the destiny or fate after death : Hell or Paradise

For an all powerful god, who created ma, it is easy for him to recreate and re-assemble. Perhaps you should read the Quran if you haven't the theme is repeated in case you're in doubt.


That's What I meant when I said "something must be left from you"

That's true for resurrection in this earth where your bones are, but you can't transport your bones to paradise, well I guess

How are you resurrected in paradise ?
If you can't find this answer in the "religion of Islam" as you put it, perhaps you know too little about Islam. Well I'm glad you ask, but I hope you asked out of sincerity and curiosity.

The verses given by a brother earlier, clearly states that there will be resurrection, god will assemble man again, and it clearly states every single action man is responsible is recorded in a book by two angels. So to answer your question, in terms of actions the uniqueness is preserved. If you're talking about the the spirit (ruh), well spirit is the same, and hence the uniqueness which accompanies each spirit, is still preserved.
I'm not sure where are you getting at.

1. I swear by the Day of Resurrection;

2. And I swear by the self-reproaching person (a believer).

3. Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?

4. Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.

5. Nay! (Man denies Resurrection and Reckoning. So) he desires to continue committing sins.

6. He asks: "When will be this Day of Resurrection?"

7. So, when the sight shall be dazed,

8. And the moon will be eclipsed,

9. And the sun and moon will be joined together (by going one into the other or folded up or deprived of their light, etc.)

10. On that Day man will say: "Where (is the refuge) to flee?"

11. No! There is no refuge!

12. Unto your Lord (Alone) will be the place of rest that Day.

13. On that Day man will be informed of what he sent forward (of his evil or good deeds), and what he left behind (of his good or evil traditions).

14. Nay! Man will be a witness against himself [as his body parts (skin, hands, legs, etc.) will speak about his deeds].

15. Though he may put forth his excuses (to cover his evil deeds).



Shoaib
 

xSharingan01x

TraVeLer
Hi, mustafa

Yes I thought in Christianity, because Christians believes that humans are a image of God, i.e., the Trinity image :

1. Soul. Neither seen nor felt, but contains our databank that makes us who we are. Relates to the Father.
2. Body. Our manifestation. You can see it and feel it. Relates to the Son.
3. Spirit. You can neither see nor feel our spirit, just like God's Spirit.

I'm currently reading the bible, here is that verse, I'm trying to think religion by my own :

"And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Genesis, 2-7

And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground - the body
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life - the spirit
and man became a living soul - self explanatory

But saying that humans have a soul and a body means that we are like the trinity, 2 in 1 or 3 in 1, doesn't matter because it fits in Christians believes about God, which is a blasphemy to Islam, a big one


So, Mustafa, you can't say that humans have a soul, or you must accept the Trinity concept because is the same concept

whatever, I will try to find answers in Islam

Don't be silly,
Trinity concept deals with the divine relationship of God the Father, God the son, and the holy spirit.

But for you to make an assumption and draw a parallel between the divine relationship of trinity and body, soul, spirit, is just silly. And further you want us to "accept trinity", based on your own assumptions. :astag:
 

Delta

Banned
Salaam xSharingan01x,

If you can't find this answer in the "religion of Islam" as you put it, perhaps you know too little about Islam. Well I'm glad you ask, but I hope you asked out of sincerity and curiosity.

Perhaps I know too little, but I'm not a ignorant person if you meant that, a college degree isn't enough to dismiss my stupidity ?

I'm just trying to dig over islam and hadith's, and all that holly scriptures

I believe in God, you know ?!

The verses given by a brother earlier, clearly states that there will be resurrection, god will assemble man again, and it clearly states every single action man is responsible is recorded in a book by two angels
.

Yes, of course, actions, not YOU

So to answer your question, in terms of actions the uniqueness is preserved.

Agree, I'm not stupid, brother xSharingan01x, or perhaps I am because I shouldn't ask what is beyond my limited and physic knowledge


If you're talking about the the spirit (ruh), well spirit is the same, and hence the uniqueness which accompanies each spirit, is still preserved.

Spirit is the same as deeds wrote in that book ? our experiences and memories ? well...ok....


I'm not sure where are you getting at.

Neither do I, why Sister um_mustafa removed her posts ? have I missed something ?

1. I swear by the Day of Resurrection;

me too...but where is our data-bank ?


2. And I swear by the self-reproaching person (a believer).

me too, but not a brainwashed one, I think by myself

3. Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?

We shall assemble our bodies back, of course, but from what ? from what essence ?

4. Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.

And anything else, but from what ?

5. Nay! (Man denies Resurrection and Reckoning. So) he desires to continue committing sins.

Don't be a accusatory believer, don't accuse others, I surely believe in resurrection Brother xSharingan01x

Is Allah a God of a bunch of bones ? or a God of living spirits ? brother ?

6. He asks: "When will be this Day of Resurrection?"

Do you know the day ?


7. So, when the sight shall be dazed,
8. And the moon will be eclipsed,
9. And the sun and moon will be joined together (by going one into the other or folded up or deprived of their light, etc.)
10. On that Day man will say: "Where (is the refuge) to flee?"
11. No! There is no refuge!

Yeah, no refuge, either for Christians or Muslims, I wonder which one will won


12. Unto your Lord (Alone) will be the place of rest that Day.

For ever

13. On that Day man will be informed of what he sent forward (of his evil or good deeds), and what he left behind (of his good or evil traditions).

Nothing to do with life after death, just deeds, acts or fakes


14. Nay! Man will be a witness against himself [as his body parts (skin, hands, legs, etc.) will speak about his deeds].

As your body parts you are nothing, you just left deeds....but not YOU...NOT YOU

where are you without your deeds ?


15. Though he may put forth his excuses (to cover his evil deeds).

yeah, but who does that claims ? your bones ? your soul ? your what ?
 

Delta

Banned
Don't be silly,
.....
And further you want us to "accept trinity", based on your own assumptions. :astag:

Forgive me Brother

but you can't use the "soul" artifact to justify anything, otherwise you will just accept Christians believes about 2 in 1 or 3 in 1.......whatever

you will just be one of them, and a Islam apostate

Do you want that ? be careful, because this is a big sin
 

Ibn_Syena

Peace...
As Salamu Alekum brothers and sisters

I'd like to add something to this debate overhere, but, um I'm a little confused, so if you let me bro Delta, are you a Muslim? I'm sorry for asking this question, it's just out of my ignorance.

Well then, mind you notice that the numbered sentences in bro/sis xSharingan01x reply that you commented upon are actually surat al Qyyama (75)? I think you should have shown some more respect in your comments on these verses from the words of Allah, whether you'r a muslim or not, and your only excuse is that you may have been ignorant about it being a surat.

Anyways, I can't really get the point in your question, so I'll post my answer according to what I understood, and you may correct me if this's not what you want. Well, you'r asking how Allah will bring us back after being dead and barried (and completely lost as you said), and I'm asking you back, haven't you believed and confessed (if you did) that Allah is almighty, omnipotent and all powerful? So what'r you asking about? I mean, c'mon brother, he created you the first time just from NOTHING, not even a single complete cell (with 46 chromosomes if you can get what I mean), Should be it difficult for Him to re-creat you again, sould be there any source or not?
{And He it is Who originates the creation, then will repeat it (after it has been perished); and this is easier for Him. His is the highest description (i.e. none has the right to be worshipped but He, and there is nothing comparable unto Him) in the heavens and in the earth. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} (30:27)
{Does not man see that We have created him from Nutfah (mixed male and female sexual discharge - semen drops). Yet behold he (stands forth) as an open opponent.(77) And he puts forth for Us a parable, and forgets his own creation. He says: "Who will give life to these bones after they are rotted and have became dust? (78) Say: (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) "He will give life to them Who created them for the first time! And He is the All-Knower of every creation! (79)} (36:77-79)
He'll re-creat you, with whatever does this mean; your personality, your brain, way of thinking, what you like and dislike, your spirit. As regard your deeds, they'r already preserved, as presvious posts made clear. Still I can't understand what's your problem with the soul, I think it's clear that everybody'll be re-createrd as a WHOLE; your body, your soul, yourself... Now what's up with "getting your bones into paradise"? I can't figure how you'd like to know that, as it's a matter of Unknow (ghayb غيب) you know, we don't even know where the paradise is, or how it'll be like in that day. Again I tell you that Allah is omnipotent, all powerful, and for sure he'll bring us in front of him that day,regardless of the way.
{And the Trumpet will be blown (i.e. the second blowing) and behold from the graves they will come out quickly to their Lord} (36:51)
So you may just need to stop worrying about it. I see you may also need to read a little bit more about the judgement day, as there, in chaa' Allah, everything'll be just different.

There'r a couple of more verses you may need to read:
{And (remember) the Day when We shall roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise binding upon Us. Truly, We shall do it.} (21:104)
{That is their recompense, because they denied Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and said: "When we are bones and fragments, shall we really be raised up as a new creation? (98) See they not that Allâh, Who created the heavens and the earth, is Able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is not doubt. But the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers) refuse (the truth - the Message of Islâmic Monotheism, and accept nothing) but disbelief (99)} (17:98-99)

Now, and regardless of all I've already said, I'd like just to add this information. I read it in some book, but I can't really remember its name. That's it, no human body decays completely, but rather there'll be always at least this one very cell that'll resist decaying, and from which the whole body will be formed again for resurrection, and it's at the lower coccyx (the lowest part of your vertebral column). Well, I don't know actually how authentic this information is, but it just makes sense, right? I mean, we all know now that, thanks to modern science, even a single cell is enough to clone a whole human being, right? NO, actually not, know why? because of the following Hadith, which is an authentic one, narreted by both Bukhary and Muslim, goes:
"There were a man who, upon his death, ordered his children to burn him, mill him, then scater his ash with wind (or half of his ash on land and half of it in the sea in another narration) when he dies. He said: 'If Allah'll achieve power over me, He'll punish me with a punishment that He won't inflict on anyone else from all of his creation'. That's because he had not saved for his meeting with Allah a single good deed. So when died, his children did as he commanded. Allah ordered the land, and it gathered all it had of him, (and He ordered the sea, and it gathered all it had of him), and then the man was standing. His lord said to him: 'What made you do that?' He said: 'I feared you, and You know best'. And so Allah forgave him."
I dunno if you got the point yet; Allah need not a cause or a way, He rather:
{Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, "Be!" - and it is!} (36:82)

Well, I dunno if this's what you were asking for, and if so whether it was helpful. Please feel free to ask any more questions. I apologize for whatever offense or harm I may have done to you, as it's for sure unintended. Whatever mistakes or shortcomings there should be, they'r from myself and from asshytan, and whatever goodness and rightness there should be, they'r from Allah almighty alone, all praisings are to Him.

Jazak Allahu Khyran
Wassamlu Alekum Warhmatu Allah


Muhammad
 
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