Aishah r.a.h marriage

Hard Rock Moslem

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Asslamaulaikum,

Sorry, same issue again. But I found very interesting article from below website, perhaps I'm not the first one to read this.

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5. The age difference of Aisha’s siblings should be taken into account. As is known, Abu Bakr had six children. Asma and Abdullah were born from Qutayla bint Umays, Aisha and Abdurrahman from Umm Ruman, Muhammad from Asma bint Umays and Umm Kulthum from Habiba bint Harija. Asma and Abdullah have the same mother as do Aisha and Abdurrahman. The age difference between children from the same mother can enlighten our subject matter.

a) Abu Bakr’s first daughter, Asma, was born in 595, 27 years before the Hijra, Prophet Muhammad’s emigration to Medina [24]. At the time of the Hijra, she was married to Zubayr ibn Awwam and was six-months pregnant [25]. Her son Abdullah was born three months later in Quba while she was migrating to Medina. She died in the 73rd year of the Hijra at the age of 100; her teeth had not even fallen out.

Here there is another critical piece of information. The age difference between Aisha and her sister Asma was 10 years [26]. According to this, Aisha’s year of birth was 605 (595+10=605) and her age at the time of the Hijra was 17 (27–10=17). Since her marriage took place six, seven or eight months after the Hijra, or just after Badr [27], this means Aisha was 17-18 years old at that time.


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Pls read from below website.

http://www.fountainmagazine.com/articles.php?SIN=&k=1026&show=part1

I believe the above findings contradicts the Hadith by Sahih Bukhari which stated the age of Aishah (r.a.h) as 6 years old when the Mother of Believers married the Prophet (SAW).

As Muslims, we can rely on Sahih Bukhari but the above article provided all the source of references at the footnote, so what is your view?
 

Hard Rock Moslem

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Recently I heard in one religious talk, the speaker was telling the slander against the mother of the believers Aisha r.a.h maybe the work of shia. Is that true?

PLS I'M NOT CALLING FOR ANOTHER SHIA DEBATE HERE. Just stick to the question.
 

AleahKoto

Allah will decide
re age

In Islamic law there is a difference between a marital contract which may take place of minors and actual consummation of marriage. The latter cannot take place till the parties reach the age of majority and approve of their marriage.

Age difference is not a moral issue in itself. Even today in the western world there are marriages that take place between parties whose age disparity is quite considerable.

Then, we should look at the historical context:

1. How could any parent give his daughter and the apple of his eye to anyone if this involves "molestation"?!

2. Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, was a highly respected and rich merchant, not one who is looking for any favors at the expense of his beloved daughter.

3. Abu Bakr was not acting like some of today's politicians seeking succession to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and we know that it was not his choice to succeed the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), but it was made by the early Muslim committee after consultation and debate.

4. It is well-known also that Aisha was engaged to another person before being engaged to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). This shows that there was nothing unusual or reprehensible of this type of marriage. Indeed if there was any impropriety, his many adversaries would have used it to defame and discredit him.

5. It is known that between the marriage contract and Aisha's moving to the Prophet's household, there was a 3-year gab during which she stayed with her parents.

6. It is also known that her moving to the Prophet's household took place in the first or second year after migration from Makkah to Madina. It is also known that the Makkan period lasted for 13 years, and the famous biographer Ibn Is-haq lists the name of Aisha among the very early persons who accepted Islam in the first few months of the Prophet's mission. If we were to add a minimum age of Aisha to understand what she was accepting, say 4 + the 13 years in Makkah + 1 or 2 years in Madina, it adds up probably to 19 years and not only 9, which is the number reported in Al-Bukhari.


7. While the above is more than enough, it is noted also that many historians have debated the age of Aisha when she married the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). One is that some say that Aisha died at the age of 50 after migration, at the age of 67, which means that she was born 17 years old before migration, and since her marriage was consummated one or two years after migration, it must have taken place at the age of 19.

8. It is also known that her sister Asmaa was 10 years her senior. It is interesting to note that Asmaa died in the year 73 after migration, at the age of 100, this means she was born 27 years before migration (100-73). Since she was 10 years older, then Aisha was born 17 years before migration, which is consistent with these other reports.

A recommended reference is a small book published by Ruqaya Warith Maqsood published by IPCI in Birmingham.

In conclusion, Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was an extremely intelligent and knowledgeable person whose talents and knowledge was considerably increased through company of the Prophet (Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) from early age and was proved to be an instrumental source of knowledge about Islam and the life of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), that is why she is known as one of Mother of Believers.
 

saif

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Ma Sha Allah sister Aleah, it was a very good and informative post. I would like to compliment your post with two minor points.

1. In the beginning of your post you spoke of "islamic law", which differentiates between marriage contract and consumation of marriage. It is true, that the Prophet apparently had his marriage contract 3 years before its consumation. However, it does not become an islamic law, as long as Quran or the Prophet himself does not explicitely make it a law. If it is implicite, like in this case, it is a proper assumption that the Prophet was following the ma'roof of his time. (that means the prevailing customs, which are not conflicting with Islam). That means, it is something which is within the circle of mubahaat, where we can follow the ma'roof of our time. And the legislation within that circle is allowed too. Of course we can always argue, whether or not a legislation makes sense but then it is question of "makes sense" or "does not make sense" and not a question of God-given law.

2. The second thing is, that I have noticed, that the staunch opposers of those historical evidences about Aisha RA's age are not non-muslims but those muslims, who see it as a danger to credibility of Al Bukhari. I just want to point out, that we just need to see things in the proper context and there is nothing in that content, which can challenge the credibility of that hadith. A person, who is very well versed in the arabic literature of jahiliah once pointed out, (and I am offering it as a possibility to resolve that conflict) that it was very well accepted in the language of that time to omit the 10s in the numbers, if it was clear from the context. For example, if it was clear that somebody was talking about the last 'Ashrah of Ramadan, it was fully acceptible to speak of 5th or 7th night, instead of 25th or 27th night. So one possibility to resolve that conflict is, that Aisha RA was speaking exactly in that style, knowing that her audience would know that 6th year of her life was meant to be in the second 'ashrah of her life. That seemed acceptible to me but I cannot confirm it because I am no expert in arabic, let alone the arabic of jahiliah.

:wasalam:
 

Hard Rock Moslem

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MashAllah sister Aleah and brother Asif. Allah make my day through you both alhmadulillah.

I agree with brother Asif, Bukhari was very careful when and thorough in collecting the hadith. However, like you said:

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For example, if it was clear that somebody was talking about the last 'Ashrah of Ramadan, it was fully acceptible to speak of 5th or 7th night, instead of 25th or 27th night. So one possibility to resolve that conflict is, that Aisha RA was speaking exactly in that style, knowing that her audience would know that 6th year of her life was meant to be in the second 'ashrah of her life.
:wasalam:

I read this theory somewhere. Arabic is very rich language, perhaps someone has sound knowledge in Arabic could explain this.

4. It is well-known also that Aisha was engaged to another person before being engaged to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). This shows that there was nothing unusual or reprehensible of this type of marriage. Indeed if there was any impropriety, his many adversaries would have used it to defame and discredit him.
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Completely agree with you. To add further, the Quraish was the arch enemy in the begining, I did not find anywhere in the sirah claiming Quraish use this issue to attack the Prophet. Another prove to confirm this practice is not unusual for people at those time.
 

AleahKoto

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from Islamonline.net

it is from sheiykhs listed on Islamonline.net just repeating what they said.
I know that Muslim and Bukhari are not divine, they are men, subject to errors, they did not collect narrations which were ordered by Allah (swt) or the Prophet (pbuh), and a lot of time passed between the arranging and compiling the narrations. In all the reading, and figuring out the dates.....is it POSSIBLE they meant "19" and not "9" ? The only writings without errors is the Quran, it is the literal word of Allah (swt), all others must be read and considered thoroughly.
 

AleahKoto

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ismillah .. Salaam Alaikum, dear brothers and sisters


Based on the various evidences of history as quoted below, many modern Muslim historians & scholars conclude that at the time of her marriage, Aisha (RA) was about 16 years old, and not 6 or 7 years old as commonly assumed. The following quotes and concrete evidences from history provide enough proof of this fact.



AGE OF AISHA (RADIALLAHU ANHU) AT THE TIME OF HER MARRIAGE.

Often a disputed subject, I hope this information can remove the common concerns people raise. And Allah Almighty is the source of truth.

To begin with, it should be the responsibility of those who believe that Aisha�s marriage took place at age 9, to provide a few examples or historical evidences to substantiate their point of view. I have not yet been able to find a single dependable instance in the books of Arab history where any girl below the age of 10 was given away in marriage. Unless such examples are given, we do not have any reasonable grounds to believe that it really was the social tradition.

In my opinion, the age of Aisha (RA) has been misreported in the Ahadeeth. It clearly seems that the narratives reporting Aisha�s age during her marriage are not only unreliable, but also on the basis of many other historical evidences, quite unlikely. Hence, let us analyze this issue and look at it from an objective stand point.

- Most of such narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn �urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well-known as this, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.

- It is quite strange that no one from Madinah where Hisham ibn �urwah lived the first 71 years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Madinah his pupils included people as famous as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq where Hisham is reported to have had moved after living in Madinah for 71 years.

- �Tehzibul-tehzib�, one of the most well-known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the Sunnah reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: �Narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq.� It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through the people of Iraq. (vol 11, pg 48 � 51)

- �Mizanul-ai�tidal,� another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when Hisham was old, his memory suffered a lot. (vol 4, pg 301 � 302)

- According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha (RA) was born about 8 years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitabul-tafseer), Aisha (RA) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th surah of the Qur�aan was revealed, �I was a young girl.� The 54th surah of the Qur�aan was revealed 9 years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha (RA) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn�urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn�urwah, why we should not accept this narrative to be more accurate.

- According to a number of narratives, Aisha (RA) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of Hadeeth and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Aisha�s (RA) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not 9 or 10 years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them.

- According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Aisha was 10 years older than Aisha. It is reported in �Tari�bul-Tehzib� as well as �Al-bidayah wa�l-nihayah� that Asma died in 73 Hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 Hijrah, she must have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah. And if Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah, Aisha must have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha (RA), if she got married in 1 AH or 2 AH, was 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

- Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr, reports that Abu Bakr had 4 children and all 4 were born during the Jahiliyah (pre-Islamic) period. Obviously, if Aisha was born in the period of Jahiliyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH .. the time she most likely got married.

- According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Aisha (RA) accepted Islam quite sometime before Umar bin Khattab. This shows that Aisha accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Aisha�s marriage at 7 years of age is held to be true, Aisha could not have been born during the first year of Islam.

- Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mutam with whose son Aisha was engaged, and asked him to take Aisha in his house as his son�s wife. Mutam refused because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son�s engagement with Aisha was terminated. Now, if Aisha was only 7 years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Aisha (RA) had not only been born 8 years before Hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.

- According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah (RA), when Khaulah came to the Prophet (Pbuh) advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: �You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a divorcee (thayyib).� When the Prophet (pbuh) asked who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Aisha�s name. All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word �bikr� in Arabic is not used for an immature 9-year-old girl. The correct word for a playful little girl, as stated earlier is �Jariyah.� �Bikr� on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a 9-year-old is not a lady.

- According to ibn Hajar, Fatimah was 5 years older than Aisha. Fatimah is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Aisha could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of Hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.

These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Aisha�s (RA) age at the time of her marriage.


From the ISLAMIC REVIEW:

(1) The well-known historian ibn Jareer al-Tabari writes at page 50 of volume 4 of his �Book of History� : �Abu Bakr married two ladies in the days of Jahiliya. Fateelah, daughter of Abd al-Aza was the first from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Umm-i-Rooman was the second, from whom Abd al-Rahman and Aisha were born. All 4 children of Abu Bakr were born in the days of ignorance (Jahiliyah, i.e. pre-Islamic days) from the above-named two ladies.

(2) It is a well-known fact of history that Abu Bakr�s son Abd al-Rahman fought against the Muslims in the battle of Badr. His age at that time was 21-22 years, and although he was older than Aisha, there is no evidence to show that the difference between their ages was more than 3 or 4 years. This fact lends support to the view that Aisha (RA) was born 4 or 5 years before the Call.

(3) The author of the well-known collection of Hadeeth �Mishkat al-Masabeeh,� Sheik Waheed-ud-Deen writes in his renowned book �Ahmal fi Asma � al-Rijjal�: �At the time of the consummation of her marriage, Sayedah Aisha�s age was not less than 18-19 years.�

All the above quotations give ample refutation to the common misconception that Aisha�s age at the time of her Nikah was 6 years and at the time of her marriage only 9 years. If Muslim scholars of the present era deem fit to make an objective research, they will find ample material in the pages of history to arrive at the correct age of Aisha (RA) during the time of her marriage.

May Allah (Subhan Wa�Tala) continue to help us to confirm authentic knowledge.
And Allah (Subhan Wa�Tala) is the source of truth. Allah-o-Alim.


**Actually it is easy to calculate if you use the dates....and knowledge that no one was allowed to be involved in war under the age of 15...I know many will say they took their wives for comfort, but wasn't there a little known rule that they don't have relations during war?
 

Hard Rock Moslem

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W/Salam. Sister, thank you a lot for spending time to find answers for me. This will not go waste but benefits me and Allah will reward you inshAllah.

I've read similar article before, but that time I did not pay attention to this. But recently one sheikh told that when we discussed about a topic based on hadith, we must bring out all relevant hadith that discuss similar issue to make our argument and conclusion accurate. Example here, Bukhari quoted Aishah's (may Allah be pleased with her) age when she married the Prophet (SAW) was 6 and consumated when she was 9. Any similar hadith from other Sahih, anyone knows?
 

ahmed_indian

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but when we say this to non-muslims that age of Aisha (ra) was not 9 but 18/19, they say that you are being apologetic muslim.

secondly, hadith written by Imam Bukhari (ra) was confirmed by many ulama of his times. since his time, almost everybody accepts them without finding fault. so they must really authentic.

also we have hadith that Aisha (ra) playing with dolls. why will a women of 15-20 yrs play with them?

so i think that maybe she was really 9 yr old. and Allah knows best
 
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