:An intricate Question on Du'aa:

[sachin4islam]

Assalamu Alaikum:

Ahle-Hadith Jamaat is by strength negligible in my city. Alhamdulillah,we stick directly to way of Rasool-Allah (SAW). As par our duty,we effort best to refine adherents of deviated sects. Truly speaking refining deviated sects is more of a tough job than making Dawah to Non-Muslims.

Strength of Ahle-Hadith Jamaat slowly picked up in our city that needed construction of newer Masjids. In a Muslim Ghetto,Jamaat constructed a new but a very small Masjid.This Ghetto holds about 99% Muslims belonging to deviant sects. Jamaat tried to propagate true teachings of Muhammad (SAW) through various ways in this Ghetto. And as expected a very aggressive reaction was taken by deviant sects.The last of their aggression was that they locked the Masjid,after physical torture to devotees present in the Masjid,during Ishaa prayer.

The Masjid remained locked for a year or so and recently again prayers started there. But the adherents of deviated sets restarted mischiefs and again Masjid was locked.

Just about 20 days before my friend a devoted activist of Ahle-Hadith Jamaat returned from Ummrah. During his one month stay in the holy city,he made intense Du'aa to Allah (SWT) to guide these ignorants who were not allowing prayers in the concerned Masjid and stopping the Jamaat from propagation of true Islam. He prayed at first Allah (SWT) to guide these misguided masses and even if they stick to their wrong way than let Allah (SWT) pure this land from such people.

Believe me Allahu-Aalim,before my friend returned from Ummrah three young individuals who were amongst pioneers in locking the Masjid passed away and one is still struggling for his life in hospital.

I am astonished at all these happenings. But the question raises,are we supposed to supplicate Allah (SWT) to this extremity that May Allah (SWT) pure the land from those (ignorant Muslims) who create obstacles in the way of Allah (SWT)?.

What do you think that deaths of these three youths was just a chance or supplication made by my friend in holy city and other members of Jamaat was answered of Allah (SWT)?.

Regards.

 

[tariq353]

Assalamu Alaikum:

Truly speaking refining deviated sects is more of a tough job than making Dawah to Non-Muslims.


Regards.

wa alaikum as salam

Abdullah bhai totally agreed most of my relatives are barelvi..... they aren't ready to listen to anyone and if you try to teach them they are ready to fight....
i still remember few years back near my village when Tabliqi jamaah came to one mosque, barelvi beat them and kick them out after that they wash the mosque completely to make it clean as Jamaah make it dirty(as per them).



wa salam

 

[sachin4islam]

Walikum Assalam: Dear Tariq.

Very true.I always remain cautious while talking to these deviant people. Aggression is a sign of absence of patience (Sabr) and hence failure in this world and this what Allah (SWT) instructs in Surah-Asr.

Regards.

 

[Mazhara]

Are Ahle-Hadith Jamaat and Tableeghi jamat freindly with each other?

 

[sachin4islam]

Are Ahle-Hadith Jamaat and Tableeghi jamat freindly with each other?

Assalamu Alaikum:

Adhering to diff. Jamaats doesn't mean we are foes to each other. Every Muslim is brother/sister of another Muslim for sake of Allah (SWT).

There is a big big difference is basic Aqeedah of Ahle-Hadith Jamaat and Tablighi Jamaat. And I won't debate here,who is correct in approach. But still to add,Ahle-Hadith Jamaat directly follows Sunnah of Muhammad (SAW).


Regards.

 

[masihuddin]

Allah S.W.T.says la ikrah fi deen .there is no compulsion in religion We should learn to be tolerant Your so called deviant sects also follow the Ahadees as interpreted by the respective four imams of Sunnah jamaha. These four imams -Abu Hanifa ,Shafaee,
Ahmed and Malik were eminent scholars of Quran and Sunnah They and their disciples after life long study and research came out with the eddicts how to conduct your life in line with Quran and Sunnah We consider all of them to be rightly guided You are welcome to follow any one of them or if you have the time and energy go directly to the sorces Nobody should object to that In fact one of the imams said that if you find any of his eddict in conflict with an established hadis then throw the eddict out

 

[sachin4islam]

Allah S.W.T.says la ikrah fi deen .there is no compulsion in religion We should learn to be tolerant Your so called deviant sects also follow the Ahadees as interpreted by the respective four imams of Sunnah jamaha. These four imams -Abu Hanifa ,Shafaee,
Ahmed and Malik were eminent scholars of Quran and Sunnah They and their disciples after life long study and research came out with the eddicts how to conduct your life in line with Quran and Sunnah We consider all of them to be rightly guided You are welcome to follow any one of them or if you have the time and energy go directly to the sorces Nobody should object to that In fact one of the imams said that if you find any of his eddict in conflict with an established hadis then throw the eddict out

Assalamu Alaikum:

There was a period of 67 years,after Rasool-Allah (SAW) departed from this material world and Imam Abu Hanifa was born. When Muslims could follow Deen at best in this period of 67 years in absence of these four scholars,can't Islam be followed at best,had there been none of these scholars?.

Rasool-Allah (SAW) through practical exemplifications taught each and every aspect of Deen of Allah and Alhamdulillah there is no doubt that His (SAW) Sunnah is as alive today as it was during His (SAW) lifetime. Deen was complete with Rasool-Allah (SAW). Any addition and subtraction through interpretations in this complete and perfect verdict will surely be cause of sectarianism and this is what happening today (sectarianism).

Regards.

 

[Ahsen]

People are not clear about the concept of tawheed.That's why we see so many sects.If we talk to these people they say that our grandfathers used to do the same.How come you are showing us a new path.This was said by the arabs and this excuse is even used today in south asia.The best we can do is to fight them with knowledge.And tell them that dead people can't do anything for anybody.

 

[masihuddin]

Walai us salam
One cannot equate the people of this age with he Sahaba ,tabeyeen and Taba tayabeen The memory of the prophet S.A.S was fresh in their minds It was much later the need was felt to codify the Ahadees ,study them and to frame eddicts to guide muslims how to coduct their lives according to Quran and Sunnah What is the basic objetion not to benefit from the life long study and research by these scholars
Regards

 

[sachin4islam]

Walai us salam
One cannot equate the people of this age with he Sahaba ,tabeyeen and Taba tayabeen The memory of the prophet S.A.S was fresh in their minds It was much later the need was felt to codify the Ahadees ,study them and to frame eddicts to guide muslims how to coduct their lives according to Quran and Sunnah What is the basic objetion not to benefit from the life long study and research by these scholars
Regards

Assalamu Alaikum:

I wonder,is deen a science that needs research?. Everything about Deen is conclusive,open and explicit. Allah (SWT) says in Quran (meaning) Islam is straight path and indeed Deen has been made easy to follow.

Regards.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Allah S.W.T.says la ikrah fi deen .there is no compulsion in religion We should learn to be tolerant Your so called deviant sects also follow the Ahadees as interpreted by the respective four imams of Sunnah jamaha. These four imams -Abu Hanifa ,Shafaee,
Ahmed and Malik were eminent scholars of Quran and Sunnah They and their disciples after life long study and research came out with the eddicts how to conduct your life in line with Quran and Sunnah We consider all of them to be rightly guided You are welcome to follow any one of them or if you have the time and energy go directly to the sorces Nobody should object to that In fact one of the imams said that if you find any of his eddict in conflict with an established hadis then throw the eddict out

:salam2:

The dawah of Ahle Hadees concentrates more towards correcting the Aqeedah of the other sects/groups as per Quran and Sunnah. This is what the various Ulema and Duaat are trying to achieve across the nation. May Allah azz zawajal grant them success and return our nation and all muslims to Quran and Sunnah Ameen.

The issues of masail are secondary yet important. It is necessary for us to follow the Sunnah of Rasool SallAllahu Alleihi wa Sallam and not give precedence to the 'view/opinion' of any Imam/Sheykh/Mufti/Maulana over what Allah has revealed to us via the Quran and Sunnah.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Assalamu Alaikum:

I am astonished at all these happenings. But the question raises,are we supposed to supplicate Allah (SWT) to this extremity that May Allah (SWT) pure the land from those (ignorant Muslims) who create obstacles in the way of Allah (SWT)?.

What do you think that deaths of these three youths was just a chance or supplication made by my friend in holy city and other members of Jamaat was answered of Allah (SWT)?.

Regards.

It is first of all gives me great joy to hear about the effort that is being done in your city. Alhamdullillah. We should ask Allah azz zawajal to strengthen the dawah and make it easy for the brothers involved and reward them abundantly. Ameen

Yes, we have to make dua to Allah azz zawajal to guide these people even if they are staunch enemies of our Dawah at the present. With the mercy of Allah azz zawajal, the hearts of many people will be attracted to this dawah of Tawheed and Sunnah and we will make inroads towards bringing entire communities on the right path InshaAllah.

As Allamah Ehsan Illahi Zaheer rahimullah once said that the callers towards the true understanding of Deen (ie towards Tawheed and Sunnah) will face difficulties similar to those faced by Muhammad SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam and the Sahabah RadiAllahu Anhum Ajmaeen, such is the nature of this dawah. But always remember, that the help of Allah azz zawajal is with the people who call towards the truth (Haqq) and if we keep steadfast and persevere, victory will be ours by the mercy of Allah ta'ala.

As for the death of these youths, only Allah knows best. May Allah azz zawajal grant them jannatul firdaws and grant sabr to their families and relatives. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[sachin4islam]

It is first of all gives me great joy to hear about the effort that is being done in your city. Alhamdullillah. We should ask Allah azz zawajal to strengthen the dawah and make it easy for the brothers involved and reward them abundantly. Ameen

Yes, we have to make dua to Allah azz zawajal to guide these people even if they are staunch enemies of our Dawah at the present. With the mercy of Allah azz zawajal, the hearts of many people will be attracted to this dawah of Tawheed and Sunnah and we will make inroads towards bringing entire communities on the right path InshaAllah.

As Allamah Ehsan Illahi Zaheer rahimullah once said that the callers towards the true understanding of Deen (ie towards Tawheed and Sunnah) will face difficulties similar to those faced by Muhammad SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam and the Sahabah RadiAllahu Anhum Ajmaeen, such is the nature of this dawah. But always remember, that the help of Allah azz zawajal is with the people who call towards the truth (Haqq) and if we keep steadfast and persevere, victory will be ours by the mercy of Allah ta'ala.

As for the death of these youths, only Allah knows best. May Allah azz zawajal grant them jannatul firdaws and grant sabr to their families and relatives. Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

Assalamu Alaikum: Br.

Thanks and Ameen for your precious Du'aa. Alhamdulillah,more and more people are being guided to the absolute truth in my city. You won't believe some of the youths those recently adhering to Haqq used to be criminals and now Alhamdulillah,they stand in purest of state.

Very true Dawah,the propagation of absolute Divine truth even within our community won't be struggle free.

May Allah shower His utmost blessings upon you.

Regards.

 

[abu'muhammad]

Assalamu Alaikum:

Ahle-Hadith Jamaat is by strength negligible in my city. Alhamdulillah,we stick directly to way of Rasool-Allah (SAW). As par our duty,we effort best to refine adherents of deviated sects. Truly speaking refining deviated sects is more of a tough job than making Dawah to Non-Muslims.

Strength of Ahle-Hadith Jamaat slowly picked up in our city that needed construction of newer Masjids. In a Muslim Ghetto,Jamaat constructed a new but a very small Masjid.This Ghetto holds about 99% Muslims belonging to deviant sects. Jamaat tried to propagate true teachings of Muhammad (SAW) through various ways in this Ghetto. And as expected a very aggressive reaction was taken by deviant sects.The last of their aggression was that they locked the Masjid,after physical torture to devotees present in the Masjid,during Ishaa prayer.

The Masjid remained locked for a year or so and recently again prayers started there. But the adherents of deviated sets restarted mischiefs and again Masjid was locked.

wa alaykum salam warahmatullah,

that's right. At my city even the strength of jamaat al-tableegh is strong. The leaders of them saying - what a good way (their tableegh) mawlana Ilyas has shown ? the counter question remains here as – Has Muhammad not shown the way ?... We can see some literal emotional forcings to people on to their way, like going out on tableegh (khurooj),sleep in masjid (makrooh )or other things.

I had many debates on this issue with the people as since when I had the right info about it, importantly I give evidences, as the scholars have described of looking into the way of salafs, the companions particularly. It proves the deviancy of these people as they aren’t going in line.sometimes people have counter results to these things and they have to be cautious in putting their point whether regarding masjid or other issue with hikmah and wisdom, if they want them to return as because the good talk by person from saheeh aqeedah is again propaganda in their outlook.The right person will end-up putting everything and remains nothing in end, but its seen as a propaganda as I said for the people from deviant beliefs.I have been witness for the masjid issues.My grandfather rahimahullah was the trustee of the masjid,and I have seen what other weak people have been doing right through-out his life.

with the people of barelvi beliefs, there remains arrogance and self-pride.. put the dead - men or alive on shirk levels, then start kabr worship as soon after. ask, request,do sajdahs and so on..

like as people from saheeh aqeedah discusses the issues then at the same the deviants too are discussing when their plans/ ventures fail whether in building masjid, deviant campaign or anything else. Hence they tend to become aggressive.What is in comes out eventually. Their counting is on numbers rather than knowledge so put all worries on this issues much, but especially we know latter is important and we can understand that even one person is a jamaah ( the main body of islaam) being on right aqeedah. All the game is of numbers, the social - political dominance, hence forth and so on. Dividing into sects is a sin and Allaah has named the ummah as muslims and chosen Islam as their religion…. Finally to Allaah remains the guidance.

So these people are doing what they shouldn’t, should support the people of hadeeth in India, make taubah-astagfar for their past, learning from the right people- books remains, as in India we can see the main deobandi- barelvi book is fazaail- e- aamal, quite promoting shirk and innovations. Every time the authenticity remains a question. Some dream is there in it everytime and the next time the person is either in paradise or talking with deads and so on. Dreams become travel agents or so.. !! I wish and make du’aa that may allah ta’ala guide us all to the right Islamic beliefs.(May Allaah stand me corrected if I said what I shouldn't.) jazakAllahu khayr.

 

[masihuddin]

One must avoid rigidity and try to be more tolerant to others point of view and abstain in calling each other deviant A small microscopic minority of so called Ahle Hadees can not classify the vast majority of Hanafi,Shafaee,Maliki and Hambali sects to which 90 %
of the Ummah belongs as deviant .I am afraid this rigid minority of Ahle-Hadees who consider all other sects as deviant is doing lot of harm to the cause of Islam and Muslims

 

[sachin4islam]

One must avoid rigidity and try to be more tolerant to others point of view and abstain in calling each other deviant A small microscopic minority of so called Ahle Hadees can not classify the vast majority of Hanafi,Shafaee,Maliki and Hambali sects to which 90 %
of the Ummah belongs as deviant .I am afraid this rigid minority of Ahle-Hadees who consider all other sects as deviant is doing lot of harm to the cause of Islam and Muslims

Assalamu Alaikum:

It true that Ahle-Hadiths are microscopic minority. No doubt. And so numerically being less in No. means Ahle-Hadiths are not correct in Aqeedah?. Is No. the criterion for being correct with regards to Divine approach?. If so,Christianity which constitutes widest macroscopic community in world must be correct with regards to Divine approach.

Between two points separated by a distance there can be only one straight line,any other line between these two points would be a curve. If you want to label,appreciate,and follow a curved path with illusion that it is a straight path and also want others to appreciate this curved path as straight path than you are misguiding yourself,Allahu-Aalim.

I am a revert to Islam and I have traveled every mm of my journey in Islam with wide open eyes and stereoscopic vision. My four and half years of journey within Islam confirms my soul that undoubtedly the path of Salafs is the way of Muhammad (SAW) and way of Muhammad (SAW) is way towards Allah (SWT) and hence paradise.

Regards.

 

[Abu Talib]

One must avoid rigidity and try to be more tolerant to others point of view and abstain in calling each other deviant A small microscopic minority of so called Ahle Hadees can not classify the vast majority of Hanafi,Shafaee,Maliki and Hambali sects to which 90 %
of the Ummah belongs as deviant .I am afraid this rigid minority of Ahle-Hadees who consider all other sects as deviant is doing lot of harm to the cause of Islam and Muslims

Assalamu`alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu

Ahlul Hadeeth is not a sect nor has a madhab different from the 4 madhabs. All the four Imams were from Ahlul hadith. There were Prophets (May Allah be pleased with them) who had no followers at all so does that mean their message was wrong?.

You may also read this to know more about who are Ahlul Hadeeth

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17007

 

[auroran]

:salam2:

I remember watching a lecture, and the shaykh said he had like this motto, it was something like, 'Follow the Sunnah even if you're against the Ummah'. It doesn't matter how small the group is, they are not deviated as the two other groups are. May Allaah bring ease to your efforts in dawah. Ameen.

 

[abu'muhammad]

One must avoid rigidity and try to be more tolerant to others point of view and abstain in calling each other deviant A small microscopic minority of so called Ahle Hadees can not classify the vast majority of Hanafi,Shafaee,Maliki and Hambali sects to which 90 %
of the Ummah belongs as deviant .I am afraid this rigid minority of Ahle-Hadees who consider all other sects as deviant is doing lot of harm to the cause of Islam and Muslims

Assalamu alaykum brother,

The post from brother Abu Talib explains who are ahle- hadees. Similarly same sort of writings are from the scholar al-albani, and other scholars from past and present, (may Allah have mercy on them) that shed light on it.

The talk, naseehah or even a simple debate/argument from this people is rather considered as a rigidity as since they speak as what it is with transparency ! people don’t like that they be pointed upon and some are living in guise as - what they do and follow is correct. There is no room for correction now onwards or it was before. ahle-hadees are not rigid, but are straight-forward. They look,see and judge in the light of qur’an wa sunnah. I don’t know much about other countries and their situation but in the Indo-pak-bangla sub-continent, It can be seen that many muslims know about shirk of kabr-worship. In my humble observation Alhmdulillah Allah has improved the situation better than before. Allaah has removed them out of doing shirk-e-akbar.. but how many of them/or deobandi ulama speak openly against for the shirk that happens at nizamuddin, ajmer or elsewhere, I have listened some bayaanats mashaAllaah but how many call/condemn openly against such actions with courage and concern for the ummah...And this is not a digression or attempt towards it, rather I'm not near to student of knowledge to speak/ask on like this, but as a muslim I'd like to put forth such concerns. In addition many things have been taken for granted as under the tolerance and fear (of rigidity),to look good, to maintain well-groomed image and retain popularity. As can be said don’t point, live and let others live. So what about the hadeeth that commands us ‘if you see wrong try to stop it by taking action with your hands, or by your tongue or feel the least that it is wrong within your heart and that is the lowest level of faith.’ So if people who speak or take actions against the shirk or corruptions then it will make them rigid, intolerant as per your explaination ? the command is enjoining good and forbidding evil, not the one on either side.

The correct aqeedah is from qur’an and sunnat and all have to strive to learn it and put it in their speech and actions.The above is just an example to simplify what is meant here and inshaAllaah we can point out other examples. So… no dear brother, but the command is wherever and whatever is wrong, then a muslim who knows it as such has to take the charge for the redressal.

The topics discussed in this thread or forth-coming probable discussion has been discussed here at times and the writings from the scholars can be read and understood, as what’s been said about ahle-hadees or asli ahle sunnat.The praise of ahle-hadeeth/ahle sunnat wal jamaat is in the ahadeeth. Their description as firkatun-naajiyah – the victorious group. InshaAllaah may Allaah guide me first and foremost and others to adhere to those right teachings. Alhamdulillah it needs some time to read, look and understand what salafiyyah is.

As talking of imams then there were/are many imams other than this four noble imams rahimahullah. But their madhab didn’t reached on to the same level to the general mass as those imams’. However they too based their understanding on the qur’an wa sunnah on the teachings of prophet. What is meant afterall and the conclusion remains at the core is - following the prophet as The imams have said - saheeh hadeeth is my madhab. Or- if you find my saying going against saheeh hadeeth, then throw it on the wall.… rather those imams rahimahullah followed the true path with the aqeedah from the qur'an wa sunnah. so they were even among the ahle-sunnat wal jamaat or the ahle hadeeth. To be a good muslim, help the deen of Allaah, and do for the concern of the ummah remains the duty of every muslim. May Allah give me and others the right understanding. speaking is easier than putting in practice.

jazakAllahu khayr. wa salamu alaykum