and more questions :D

salam alaykum

1. can the shaitan disturb us in physical form?....cause i was praying last night in the masjid and trying to concentrate and then a cockroach came and out of all the people it came towards my feet!!!!....after i curled my left leg up and it left a huge grasshopper came and sat on the back of the guy standing next to me which made totally loose my concentration cause i was scared it would fly and come on to me!!!!!

2. Making dua in congregation is bidah rite but then why in all or most of the mosques we see people making dua in congregation???....

3. can we make dhikr without wudoo

4. can we hold the quran without wudoo ...jz hold not read it

5. when some1 steals my slippers in the masjid can i wear some1 elses slippers and take them....in other words can i steal some1 elses slippers also?...cause i cant find mine and i cant walk barefooted...

:hearts::hearts:
 

revert2007

Love Fishing
1. can the shaitan disturb us in physical form?....cause i was praying last night in the masjid and trying to concentrate and then a cockroach came and out of all the people it came towards my feet!!!!....after i curled my left leg up and it left a huge grasshopper came and sat on the back of the guy standing next to me which made totally loose my concentration cause i was scared it would fly and come on to me!!!!!

well am not so sure about syaitan can come in the form of insects.lol.it is all Allah's will to test ur concentration.

2. Making dua in congregation is bidah rite but then why in all or most of the mosques we see people making dua in congregation???....


It is important to note that du’aa’ is an act of worship, and every act of worship should only be done on the basis of evidence (daleel).

When there is evidence to show that it is permissible to raise the hands in certain situation, then there is no dispute.




Quote:
“Whoever does any action that is not in accordance with this matter of ours [i.e., Islam], will have it rejected.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Aqdiyah, 3243).





Quote:
With regard to gathering and making du’aa’ for him, du’aa’ is an act of worship, and acts of worship are based on the principle of tawqeef [i.e., to be based solely on the saheeh texts, with no room for adding or taking away anything].



And Allah knows best
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3. can we make dhikr without wudoo
yes u can.

4. can we hold the quran without wudoo ...jz hold not read it
It is absolutely haram to touch the Qur'an without wudhu. It is allowed, however, to hold a bag or cloth which has the Qur'an in it as long as it is not actually attached to the mus-haf in the case of a person who does not have wudhu.
source:http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f16/allowed-touch-quran-without-wudu-21279/
however u can touch the translation/tafsir without wudoo

5. when some1 steals my slippers in the masjid can i wear some1 elses slippers and take them....in other words can i steal some1 elses slippers also?...cause i cant find mine and i cant walk barefooted...

stealing is a sin.just because someone did it doesnt meant it is halal.:astag:

Allah knows the best
 

allah is with me

Rabana Wa laqal Hamd
umm..
about your first question...
i guess shaitan might have tried to disturbe you...but i dont know...


and your other question:
Course you can make dua after salaat, its like saying you cant ask help or seek guidance from Allah is after prostrating, bit weird. We can make dua anytime, and the best time is last 3rd of the night as Allah (swt) is at the lowest heavens asking the mu'mins in what they want.

You could say using a microwave is bid'ah or driving a car, doesnt mean its wrong to use. Anyway Allah (swt) knows best, and i believe we are allowed to make dua to him anytime whether thats before or after salaat.


your 3rd question..

yes you can do dhikr withouth doing wudhoo..
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong

5. when some1 steals my slippers in the masjid can i wear some1 elses slippers and take them....in other words can i steal some1 elses slippers also?...cause i cant find mine and i cant walk barefooted...

stealing is a sin.just because someone did it doesnt meant it is halal.:astag:

Allah knows the best


once after salah in masjid, my pair of slippers were missing. then i found someone's slippers...same like mine.

so i wore that based on reasoning that maybe he wore mine by mistake.

was it ok?
 

allah is with me

Rabana Wa laqal Hamd
LOL


question #5: True story.

A friend of mine from Ghana went to visit his homeland 2 years ago. He goes to Friday prayer and ends up in the same situation as you did. Someone took his slippers, so he in return picks out the prettiest one of all and goes home.

The next Friday prayer, the Imaam asks during khutbah, "has anyone seen my slippers?"





:wasalam:

omg!!!..
really! this is not good!!....this might have made him scared ...
ah! better be careful...no stealing
 

allah is with me

Rabana Wa laqal Hamd
once after salah in masjid, my pair of slippers were missing. then i found someone's slippers...same like mine.

so i wore that based on reasoning that maybe he wore mine by mistake.

was it ok?

i guess yes, it was ok....
you did not steel it, just thought in a positve manner, your intention was good..
so, there is no sin for it...
 

daywalker

Junior Member
2. Making dua in congregation is bidah rite

dua in congregation isnt bidah

1)Habib ibn Maslama al-Fihri (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that I heard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) say: “No group of believers assemble, one of them supplicating while others saying Amîn, except that Allah answers their prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in al-Mu’jum al-Kabir, 4/26 & Hakim in his al-Mustadrak, 3/347 and he classed it as authentic (sahih)

2) Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that a villager came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) on Friday and said: “O Messenger of Allah! The livestock are dying, the dependents are dying, and the people are dying! Whereupon the Messenger of Allah rose his hands in supplication and the people raised their hands in supplication with the Messenger of Allah…..” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of supplications).
 

Muslimah16

ServantOfAllah*
:salam2:

5. when some1 steals my slippers in the masjid can i wear some1 elses slippers and take them....in other words can i steal some1 elses slippers also?...cause i cant find mine and i cant walk barefooted...

:lol:

I hope someone can help you out akhi, inshaAllah.

Wassalaam
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
dua in congregation isnt bidah

1)Habib ibn Maslama al-Fihri (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that I heard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) say: “No group of believers assemble, one of them supplicating while others saying Amîn, except that Allah answers their prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in al-Mu’jum al-Kabir, 4/26 & Hakim in his al-Mustadrak, 3/347 and he classed it as authentic (sahih)

2) Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that a villager came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) on Friday and said: “O Messenger of Allah! The livestock are dying, the dependents are dying, and the people are dying! Whereupon the Messenger of Allah rose his hands in supplication and the people raised their hands in supplication with the Messenger of Allah…..” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of supplications).

As-salaamu'Alaykum wa'Rahmatullaah,

Taken from A Summary of Islamic Jurisprudence by Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (hafithahullaah):

In some countries, some people are used to raising their voices and hands chorally while invoking Allah after performing prayer, and sometimes the imam (one who leads in prayer) invokes Allah while raising his voice and hands, and the attendants reply "Amin (amen)," raising their voices and hands as well. Such a practice is an abominable innovation in religion, as it has neither been narrated to have been observed by the Prophet :saw: following the prayers - be it the Fajr (Dawn) Prayer, the 'Asr (Afternoon) Prayer, or any other obligatory prayer - nor deemed desirable by any Muslim.

Shaykhul-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said (See 'Majmu 'ul Fatawa (22/512) in this regard:


"Whoever reported that Imam Ash-Shafi'i deemed it desirable (i.e. deemed raising the voices and hands chorally in supplication desirable must have misquoted him."

According to the above, we have to follow in the footsteps of the Prophet :saw: and stick to his Sunnah (Prophetic Tradition), for Allah, Exalted be He, says:


"...And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty."

(Qur'aan al-Hashr: 7)


Allah, Glorified be He also says:


"There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the last day and (who) remembers Allah often."


(Qur'aan al-Ahzab: 21)

And brother, I checked Saheeh al-Bukhari and the hadeeth says that the Prophet :saw: only invoked and not everyone else.

There also rulings in Fatawa Islamiyah from the Permanent Committee stating that group du'a' is an innovation because it has not been transmitted from the Prophet :saw:, nor from his Companions (radhiyAllaahu anhumaa'). I think it maybe posted on the site.

Therefore wouldn't it be better for a person himself to recite supplications from the Qur'aan and the Sunnah. Such as Aayat-ul-Kursee, Soorah al-Ikhlaas - an-Naas, Tasbih, Tahmid and Takbir, and Subhaan'Allaah, the simple supplication to recite 10 times after the Fajr Prayer and Maghrib Prayer which contains much benefit (Insha'Allaah I will post it in a new thread or if someone else posts it)?

Oh and the book 'A Summary of Islamic Jurisprudence' has been posted in PDF format on the site, so anyone can do a search for it and download.

Walaykum Salaam wa'Rahmatullaah.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
There also rulings in Fatawa Islamiyah from the Permanent Committee stating that group du'a' is an innovation because it has not been transmitted from the Prophet :saw:, nor from his Companions (radhiyAllaahu anhumaa'). I think it maybe posted on the site.
Habib ibn Maslama al-Fihri (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that I heard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) say: “No group of believers assemble, one of them supplicating while others saying Amîn, except that Allah answers their prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in al-Mu’jum al-Kabir, 4/26 & Hakim in his al-Mustadrak, 3/347 and he classed it as authentic (sahih)

Hadhrat Qais Madani narrates that when a man came to ask Hadhrat Zaid bin
Thaabit (rd) something, he said to the man, "Go to Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah
(rd) because it once happened that Abu Hurayrah (rd) someone else and I
were in the Masjid engaging in Dhikr and making du'aa when Rasulullaah
came to sit with us. When we fell silent, Rasulullaah (sw)asked us to continue
doing what we had been doing. My companion and I then started making du'aa before Abu Hurayrah (rd)- and Rasulullaah said 'Aameen' to our du'aas.
Abu Hurayrah (rd) then started making du'aa and said, ' 0 Allaah! I ask You for everything that my two companions have asked for as well as knowledge that I shall never forget.' When Rasulullaah (sw) said Ameen, my companion and I said, ' 0 Rasulullaah (sw) We also ask for knowledge that we shall never forget.' Rasulullaah said, 'The man of the Daus tribe (Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah (rd)has beaten you to it."'(Tabraani in his Awsat, as quoted in Majma uZawaa'id (V01.9 Pg.32 I)

Hadhrat Jaami bin Shaddaad narrates from a relative that he once heard Hadhrat Umar say, "I want you people to say 'Aameen' to three du'aas that I am going to make." He then proceeded to make du'aa saying, " 0 Allaah! I am weak so please strengthen me. 0 Allaah! I am stern, so please soften me. 0 Allaah! I am miserly so please make me generous." (Ibn Sa'd (Vo1.3 Pg.275)

Hadhrat Saa'ib bin Yazeed reports that it was early one morning during the Year of Ashes (the year, in which Madinah experienced a crippling drought) that he saw Hadhrat Umar (rd) humbling himself before Allaah, wearing 'simple clothing and a shawl that barely reached his knees. He was seeking Allaah's forgiveness in a loud voice as his tears flowed on to his cheeks. (Rasulullaah' s uncle) Hadhrat Abbaas bin Abdul Muttalib (rd) was standing on his right side as he faced the Qibla and raised his hands as he sobbed before his Rabb. The people also made du'aa as he made du'aa, after which he took Hadhrat Abbaas hand and said, "0 Allaah! Do accept the intercession of Rasulullaah (sw) uncle on our behalf." Hadhrat Abaas (rd) then stood beside Hadhrat Umar (rd) for a very long time, his eyes flowing with tears as he made du'aa to Allaah. Ibn Sa'd (Vo1.3 Pg.321).

Hadhrat Abu Sa'eed who was the freed slave of Hadhrat Usayd reports, "Hadhrat Umar (rd) used to patrol the Masjid at night and remove from there everyone besides the person engaged in'salaah. When he once passed by a group of Sahabah (rd) amongst whom was Hadhrat Ubay bin Ka'b (rd), he asked, 'Who are you men?' Hadhrat Ubay (rd)replied, 'We are members of your family, 0 Ameerul Mu'mineen.' 'What kept you behind after the salaah?' Hadhrat Umar (rd) asked. When they informed him that they had been engaged in Dhikr, Hadhrat Umar (rd) Sat with them. He then said to the person closest to him, 'Take (the lead in making du'aa).' The man started making du'aa and (when he had completed) hadhrat Umar (rd)asked each person to make du'aa until he came to me, who was sitting next to him. 'Come on,' he said to me. I was tongue-tied and started to shiver so much until he could actually feel me shake. He then said, '(Say something) Even if you have to only say, ' 0 Allaah forgive me. 0 Allaah! Have mercy on me.' Hadhrat Umar(rd) then started making du'aa and there was none who wept more than him. Thereafter, he said, 'That is enough. You may all disperse."' Ibn Sa'd (Vo1.3 Pg.294).

Hadhrat Abu Hurayrah (rd) narrates that Hadhrat Habeeb bin Maslamah Fahri(rd)was a person whose du'aas were always accepted. When he was once appointed commander of an army and after making the necessary preparations, he was facing the Roman army when he said to the others, "I have heard Rasulullaah (sw) say, 'When a group assembles and they all say 'Aameen' as one of them makes du'aa, Allaah certainly acts the du'aa."' He then duly praised Allaah and said, " 0 Allaah! Protect our blood and still grant us the reward of martyrs." He was still making du'aa when the commander of the Roman army entered Hadhrat Habeeb (rd) tent (to surrender).Tabraani. Haythami (Vol. 10 Pg. 170) has commented on the chain of narrators.

in anohter story which hadhrat Nu'maan bin Muqarrin (sw) said, "I am to make a du'aa to Allaah which I stress that every person say 'Aameen' to. (He then made the du'aa saying) 0 Allaah! Grant Nu'maan martyrdom today with your assistance to the Muslims and make them victorious." Another narration adds that the others then said 'Aameen' to the du'aa.(Tabari, reporting from reliable sources as confirmed by Haythami Vol.1. Pg.216). Haakim (Vo1.3 Pg.293) has reported a similar narration.

Hadhrat Uqba bin Aamir states, "It was with regard to a person called 1
Abdullaah Dhul Bijaadayn that Rasulullaah (sw) said, 'Indeed, he is one who sighs very deeply.' This Rasulullaah (sw) said because Abdullaah Dhul Bijaadayn used to engage in Dhikr abundantly by reciting the Qur'aan and
making du'aa and all this he did in an audible voice." (Ahmad and Tabraani, reporting from reliable sources as confirmed by Haythami (Vo1.9 Pg.369). Ibn
Jareer has reported a similar narration, as quoted in the Tafseerof Ibn Katheer (Vo1.2 Pg.395).
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
As-salaamu'Alaykum,

One of the governors wrote to Umar ibn al-Khattab (radhiyAllaahu anh), 'There are a group of people here who come to-gather, and make du'a' (in congregration) for the Muslims and the Caliph.; So Umar ordered some of his servants to go with sticks and beat them, and in fact he helped them in this!

(Reported by Ibn Abi Shaybah, #6242. See Abu Zayd, p. 72)

This despite the fact that they were actually making du'a' for him, as he was the Caliph at that time. This narration is clear proof that congregrational du'a' is an innovation that was strongly disapproved of by the Companions. (Certain occasions permissible, which the Sunnah has confirmed, such as during the Witr prayer).

Allaah Knows Best.

Brother, if you mean, for example, you (without raising your hands) supplicate then that is okay (refer below) but what is common now is that after each Salaah the Imam will raise his hands and make Du'a' and everyone will say 'Amin' after, this is an innovation as per my first post and below.

Praise be to Allaah.

It says in Fatawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah:

Making du’aa’ after the obligatory prayers is not Sunnah if it is done by raising the hands, whether that is done by the imam alone or a member of the congregation alone, or it is done by them both together. Rather that is bid’ah, because it was not narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or any of his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did that. With regard to making du’aa’ without doing that (raising the hands etc.), there is nothing wrong with it, because there are some ahaadeeth concerning that.

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 7/103

The Committee was asked about raising the hands for du’aa’ after the five daily prayers – is it proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) raised his hands or not? If it is not proven, is it permissible to raise the hands after the five daily prayers or not?

They replied: It is not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) raised his hands in du’aa’ after the obligatory prayers as far as we know, so raising them after the salaam of an obligatory prayer is contrary to the Sunnah.

Fataawa al-Lajnah, 7/104

The Committee also stated that saying du’aa’ out loud after the five daily prayers or regular Sunnah prayers, or reciting du’aa’ in unison as a regular practice is a reprehensible innovation (bid’ah), because it was not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did anything like that. Whoever makes du’aa’ after the obligatory or regular Sunnah prayers in unison is going against the way of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and for those people to accuse those who disagree with them of being kaafirs and not belonging to Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, is misguidance, ignorance and a distortion of the facts.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 1/319


And Allaah knows best.

Reference: http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/21976

Walaykum Salaam.
 

NourAlDeen

Junior Member
i guess yes, it was ok....
you did not steel it, just thought in a positve manner, your intention was good..
so, there is no sin for it...

Bismillah!

Asalamu aleikum wr wb..

Hmm? How can that be ok?? If someone take your slippers and you in return take someone elses than in the end some one will have to go home barefooted.. Instead it is better to tell the imaan or someone els that you slippers is missing,. InshaALLAH they'll find some shoes for the person ..

Fi amanillah
Wa billahi tawfiiq.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
This despite the fact that they were actually making du'a' for him, as he was the Caliph at that time. This narration is clear proof that congregrational du'a' is an innovation that was strongly disapproved of by the Companions.
not really, i have given some narrations about umar(rd) doing dua in congrerational.And we dont know what the exact context in the story of umar(rd) is as it contradicts other practise of umar(rd).
Brother, if you mean, for example, you (without raising your hands) supplicate then that is okay (refer below)
it was about the duas normally recited after salah, and not the dua which is known as supplication ny raising hands. and doing dua in congregation is proved by another narrations also:

In Sunan-e-Darimi:


كان أنس إذا ختم القرآن جمع ولده وأهل بيته فدعا لهم

Anas used to gather his children and his wives at the occasion of Khatmul Quran and make du'a with them.

In Musnnaf Ibn Abi Shaiba:


حدثنا جرير عن منصور عن الحكم قال كان مجاهد وعبدة بن أبي لبابة وناس يعرضون المصاحف فلما كان اليوم الذي أرادوا أن يختموا أرسلوا إلي وإلى سلمة بن كهيل فقالوا إنا كنا نعرض المصاحف فأردنا أن نختم اليوم فأحببنا أن تشهدونا إنه كان يقال إذا ختم القرآن نزلت الرحمة عند خاتمته أو حضرت الرحمة عند خاتمته


It is reported by Hakam that Mujahid and Abda bin Abi Lubaba and some people used to delay the Khatmul Quran. Then when they wanted to do it they would call me and Salama and say, "We have delayed the Khatmul Quran and today we want to do it, we would be happy if u come and join us." It was being said that Rahmat comes during Khatmul Quran.
but what is common now is that after each Salaah
It wasnt the question actuelly of the Threadstarter.
 
well now weve got a dispute on the dua in congregation part......ermm more knowledgeable people needed in this thread!.....:D
 

ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
Staff member
As-salaamu'Alaykum,

First of all, I would like to say sorry and forgive my mistake for making an assumption because the original question was rather open so making Du'aa' in congregration could have related to anything - i.e. salaah or after completing the Qur'aan.

I assumed it related to making congregration du'aa' after each salaah, which was an incorrect assumption, but was still valid to post (i.e. it is correct) because the question was rather open.

Secondly, the bit that you quoted here brother daywalker:

One of the governors wrote to Umar ibn al-Khattab (radhiyAllaahu anh), 'There are a group of people here who come to-gather, and make du'a' (in congregration) for the Muslims and the Caliph.; So Umar ordered some of his servants to go with sticks and beat them, and in fact he helped them in this!

(Reported by Ibn Abi Shaybah, #6242. See Abu Zayd, p. 72)

This despite the fact that they were actually making du'a' for him, as he was the Caliph at that time. This narration is clear proof that congregrational du'a' is an innovation that was strongly disapproved of by the Companions. (Certain occasions permissible, which the Sunnah has confirmed, such as during the Witr prayer).

Allaah Knows Best.

- is not from me, but from the book 'Dua: Weapon of the Believer'. Just to clarify that is wasn't from my myself.

And regarding after completion of the Qur'aan, brother daywalker is correct about that,

Question

Whem some people finish reading the Qur'aan, they gather their relatives or friends to supplicate together, as a group, so that they may all share in the reward for finishing the Qur'aan - either by supplicating with the invocation from Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah or with other invocations like those written at the end of the Mushaf under the title "Supplication for Completion of the Qur'aan." Is it permissible, then, to gather for this purpose, whether it is at the end of Ramadhan or at any other time? Is such a gathering considered to be an innovation? And is there a specific supplication the Messenger of Allah :saw: would say when he would finish the Qur'aan.

Answer

As far as we know, there is no evidence to support a specific invocation for this purpose. One may supplicate as he pleases, choosing a supplication that is beneficial - like asking forgiveness for his sins, asking for Paradise, asking to be protected from the Fire, seeking refuge from Fitnah asking to be guided to understand the Qur'aan, in a manner that will please Allah Almighty and make one act according to it and memorise it etc. This is because it is confirmed that Anas radhiyAllaahu anh, would gather his family and supplicate upon completion of the Qur'aan. However, I know of nothing regarding this issue that is related from the Prophet :saw:.

As for the invocation that is ascribed to Shaykh-al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, I don't know that this is correctly attributable to him; even so, it is an invocation that is well-known and well-received among our scholars, althoug I have not found it in any of his writings. And Allah knows best.

Ibn Baz (rahimahullaah)

Reference: Fatawa Islamiyah, Volume 7, Qur'aan, pg. 23-24

Wa-alaykum-us-Salaam.
 
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