Another disappointment...

[Imad]

Assalmoealaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh,

Dear brother NewMuslim we are talking about Shirk, cursing the Sahaba, cursing islam etc etc... We are not talking about minor bida.

Allah says: " {Truly, whosoever sets up partners with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden the Garden for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers}, [Soorah al-Maa.idah, Aayah 72].

Believe in the Shahada ("There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His Prophet") without knowing it's meaning is not enough. You have to know what "La ilaaha ila Llah" means. There are some articles on this website which deals with Tawheed ( tawheed el uluhia, tawheed erubobia, tawheed el esamae wasifaat).

And no it's not immature to have knowledge about the differend sects. Our prophet gave us information about the differend sects which will emerge. If this was immature our prophet would not inform us.

Our prophet sallalahu 3alaihi wassalem said: " My Uma will devide into 73 sects, all in hellfire only one is saved" read the complete hadieth for yourself. search insha Allah and you will find.

You have also to know we don't take from the bible something which contradicts the Koraan and the sunna. You have to know this. A muslim has to worry about his sins and the sins of others. Our prophet sallalahu 3alaihi wassalem said: " When someone of you sees a munkar, he has to change it with his hands, if he is not able to change it ( with his hands) than with his tongue, if he is not able than with his heart, and that belongs to lower degree of imaan"

But when you said : " focus on Tawheed and do not get discouraged! Worry about the differences between the two sects later." I can say yes you are right. When you read about tawheed you will see insha Allah the differences.

May Allah help me and you and other muslim brothers and sisters. But please it looks like you are contradicting yourself. First you say it's immature to ask and later you say focus on tawheed and worry about the differences later. I think i do understand you now.

Wassalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wabaraktuh

 

[Andalusian]

For people who don't respect Abu Bakr Radia Allah 'Anaho.
Allah say about him :

"(If you help him (Muhammad ) not (it does not matter), for Allah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they were both in the cave, he (Muhammad) said to his companion (Abu Bakr): "Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allah is with us.'' Then Allah sent down His Sakinah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allah that became the uppermost; and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.)
"

Surah Repentance (at-TAwbah) N°9 verse n° 40

"(If you help him not), if you do not support His Prophet , then it does not matter, for Allah will help, support, suffice and protect him, just as He did,
( when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two, ) During the year of the Hijrah, the idolators tried to kill, imprison or expel the Prophet , who escaped with his friend and Companion, Abu Bakr bin Abi Quhafah, to the cave of Thawr. They remained in the cave for three days so that the pagans who were sent in their pursuit, returned (to Makkah), and they proceed to Al-Madinah. While in the cave, Abu Bakr was afraid the pagans might discover them for fear that some harm might touch the Messenger . The Prophet kept reassuring him and strengthening his resolve, saying, (O Abu Bakr! What do you think about two, with Allah as their third) Imam Ahmad recorded from Anas that Abu Bakr said to him, "I said to the Prophet when we were in the cave, `If any of them looks down at his feet, he will see us.' He said,
(O Abu Bakr! What do you think about two with Allah as their third)'' This is recorded in the Two Sahihs. This is why Allah said, (Then Allah sent down His Sakinah upon him) sent His aid and triumph to His Messenger , or they say it refers to Abu Bakr, (and strengthened him with forces which you saw not), the angels, ( and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allah that became the uppermost, ) Ibn `Abbas commented, "'The word of those who disbelieved', is Shirk, while, `The Word of Allah' is `La ilaha illallah.'' It is recorded in the Two Sahihs that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari said, "The Messenger of Allah was asked about a man who fights because of courage, or out of rage for his honor, or to show off. Whom among them is in the cause of Allah' The Prophet said, (He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.)'' Allah said next, (and Allah is All-Mighty), in His revenge and taking retribution, He is the Most Formidable and those who seek refuge with Him and take shelter by adhering to what He instructs are never made to suffer injustice, (All-Wise), in His statements and actions."
Tafsir ibn Katir for the verse n°40 from surah Repentance (at-Tawbah)


Some Chiite don't trust this Surah (at-Tawbah) even they have the same Quran and they believe in it!!

 

[.Iqraa.]

Alsalamu alaikum brothers and sisters.

Please read the following verse and if you are interested on your own, go and search its meaning.

Verily, your Walee is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer). (5:55)

Please go search the event in which this specific aya descended and then share here in this forum or a different forum.

In regards to most of your other quotes, be aware, and if you have not heard, “Man kafara musliman fa qod kafar”... now u do realise a kafir and a mushrik r two different things as well.. so careful!!!

I challenge anyone anywhere in this world to say that they are complete. If any of you brothers and sisters are totally complete and have no sins then you have every right to object on others and make islamic rulings, in such a way that you portray an image of yourself to have attained a level of islamic understanding beyond the rest of man kind.
With all do respect, alot of you, if not all of you have been mis-informed about many facts. I will simply not get into this discussion since i can see that many of you are not even prepared to listen. however if you do have any specific comments, post a question and or that comment instead of going across an ocean of pure talk with no solid foundation.

I wish not to offend anyone and assume to be kicked out of this forum very soon too since the other thread was locked. but none of wat u have said is true and is in many cases quite shocking. for your own sake, do not make such extreme judgements and comments.

According to Shia, Imam Ali (AS) is not Allah or a partner for allah SWT… astaghfor allah. And the main difference for your information between Shia and Sunna does not stem from this either. The quran is one and not many. There is no other quran. There are usool ul deen, the pillars of islam and furuth ul dean, the wajebat or the aspects of religion. Look into it, it should not harm you to do so.

For those of you who have not heard this:

‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏علي بن حكيم الأودي ‏ ‏أنبأنا ‏ ‏شريك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي إسحاق ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعيد بن وهب ‏ ‏وعن ‏ ‏زيد بن يثيع ‏ ‏قالا ‏
‏نشد ‏ ‏علي ‏ ‏الناس في ‏ ‏الرحبة ‏ ‏من سمع رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقول يوم ‏ ‏غدير خم ‏ ‏إلا قام قال فقام من ‏ ‏قبل ‏ ‏سعيد ‏ ‏ستة ومن ‏ ‏قبل ‏ ‏زيد ‏ ‏ستة فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقول ‏ ‏لعلي ‏ ‏رضي الله عنه ‏ ‏يوم ‏ ‏غدير خم ‏ ‏أليس الله أولى بالمؤمنين قالوا بلى قال ‏ ‏اللهم من كنت ‏ ‏مولاه ‏ ‏فعلي ‏ ‏مولاه ‏ ‏اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه ‏
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏علي بن حكيم ‏ ‏أنبأنا ‏ ‏شريك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي إسحاق ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عمرو ذي مر ‏ ‏بمثل حديث ‏ ‏أبي إسحاق ‏ ‏يعني عن ‏ ‏سعيد ‏ ‏وزيد ‏ ‏وزاد فيه وانصر من نصره واخذل من خذله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏علي ‏ ‏أنبأنا ‏ ‏شريك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏الأعمش ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏حبيب بن أبي ثابت ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي الطفيل ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏زيد بن أرقم ‏ ‏عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏مثله ‏

Also Dawoodi, none of the things you had on your thread were right. Your references are all wrong too. You might wana get it all checked. I have never heard any of this stuff… May I also ask where you did get all this non-sense from?? Allahu akbar… someone needs to say something here… your allegations are unacceptable and nothing of such kind can be said about the companions or the prophet’s wives!!!!! Allah SWT has made everything clear to us. But I started laughing at a point despite the shock when you yourself went contradicting what you had just said. So I leave that for others to judge.

As I had said earlier, if you do have specific questions shoot.. with a private message or a thread and I will try to respond. Just send a message to let me know the thread exists.

 

[Muslimboy2222]

Hallo dear sisters and brothers in Islam

Aslam Aleikum fellow muslims brothers and sisters. I'm happy to say that i am very fortunate to find this site, because it gives me a chance to share my knowlegde with others and the same time learn something that i didn't knw from before. I would like to also thank the Owner/s(adminstrators) for creating this site. :ma::ma::ma:



Since it brings the muslim umma together as one. Let us help one another and not the viceversa.

 

[GAZIJA]

Esselamu Aleikum

I have read trough the posts and I think sister is getting confused. I foun this site: http://www.allaahuakbar.net/, that may help her to understand better some things.
I hope that is o.k with the boss

 

[abou haytam]

For those of you who have not heard this:

‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏علي بن حكيم الأودي ‏ ‏أنبأنا ‏ ‏شريك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي إسحاق ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعيد بن وهب ‏ ‏وعن ‏ ‏زيد بن يثيع ‏ ‏قالا ‏
‏نشد ‏ ‏علي ‏ ‏الناس في ‏ ‏الرحبة ‏ ‏من سمع رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقول يوم ‏ ‏غدير خم ‏ ‏إلا قام قال فقام من ‏ ‏قبل ‏ ‏سعيد ‏ ‏ستة ومن ‏ ‏قبل ‏ ‏زيد ‏ ‏ستة فشهدوا أنهم سمعوا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقول ‏ ‏لعلي ‏ ‏رضي الله عنه ‏ ‏يوم ‏ ‏غدير خم ‏ ‏أليس الله أولى بالمؤمنين قالوا بلى قال ‏ ‏اللهم من كنت ‏ ‏مولاه ‏ ‏فعلي ‏ ‏مولاه ‏ ‏اللهم وال من والاه وعاد من عاداه ‏
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏علي بن حكيم ‏ ‏أنبأنا ‏ ‏شريك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي إسحاق ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عمرو ذي مر ‏ ‏بمثل حديث ‏ ‏أبي إسحاق ‏ ‏يعني عن ‏ ‏سعيد ‏ ‏وزيد ‏ ‏وزاد فيه وانصر من نصره واخذل من خذله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏علي ‏ ‏أنبأنا ‏ ‏شريك ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏الأعمش ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏حبيب بن أبي ثابت ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي الطفيل ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏زيد بن أرقم ‏ ‏عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏مثله ‏

Also Dawoodi, none of the things you had on your thread were right. Your references are all wrong too. You might wana get it all checked. I have never heard any of this stuff… May I also ask where you did get all this non-sense from?? Allahu akbar… someone needs to say something here… your allegations are unacceptable and nothing of such kind can be said about the companions or the prophet’s wives!!!!! Allah SWT has made everything clear to us. But I started laughing at a point despite the shock when you yourself went contradicting what you had just said. So I leave that for others to judge.

As I had said earlier, if you do have specific questions shoot.. with a private message or a thread and I will try to respond. Just send a message to let me know the thread exists.

salam;

can you please tell us where did you get the hadeeth you posted aboive?

As sunnah the hadeeth we have concerning Ghadeer kham

وأما ما يتعلق بالغدير ، فالغدير ماء في مكانٍ بين مكة والمدينة يسمّى خم ، والحديث أخرجه الامام مسلم في صحيحه رقم ( 2408) من حديث زيد بن أرقم قال : قام فينا رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوما خطيبا ً بماء يدعى خما بين مكة والمدينة ، فحمد الله وأثنى عليه ووعظ وذكّر ، ثم قال : وأنا تارك فيكم ثقلين أولهما كتاب الله ، فحث على كتاب الله ورغّب فيه ثم قال : وأهل بيتي ، أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي ، أذكركم الله في أهل بيتي ، أُذكّركم الله في أهل بيتي ، قال زيد : نساؤه من أهل بيته ، ولكن أهل بيته من حرم الصدقة بعده وهم آل علي ، وآل عقيل ، وآل جعفر ، وآل عباس ، كل هؤلاء حُرم الصدقة .

Who was the first khaleefah and what is the story of Ghadeer Khum?​

Question:

cause i am bit confused regarding this matter so what does shia's believe that hazrat "ali" is a first caliphate and we sunnis say that hazrat"abbubakar " is the first caliphate.so u better tell who is the first caliphate and what is the that will which prophet "mohammed"(peace be upon him) want to give to his kinsmen and what is the event take place at ghadeer .

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

The first khaleefah who succeeded the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him), according to the consensus of the respected scholars, because of the consensus of the Sahaabah who all gave their bay’ah (allegiance) to him. This was after an initial dispute between the Muhaajireen and Ansaar, then the Ansaar were convinced and gave their bay’ah to Abu Bakr, and they did not differ amongst themselves, and they did not hesitate in making a choice between Abu Bakr and ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with them both). None of the Sahaabah asked to give bay’ah to ‘Ali after Abu Bakr and before ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), and no one asked to give bay’ah to ‘Ali after ‘Umar – may Allaah be pleased with them all. The fitnah and differences arose because of the murder of ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) accepted for their worldly affairs the one whom the Messenger of Allaah had accepted for their religious affairs, the one who had acted as the deputy of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in leading the prayers [when he was unable to do so – i.e., Abu Bakr].

With regard to what happened at Ghadeer: Ghadeer is the name of a well in a place between Makkah and Madeenah which is called Khum. The hadeeth was narrated by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 2408) from Zayd ibn Arqam, who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood up and addressed us one day at a well called Khum, between Makkah and Madeenah. He praised Allaah and exhorted and reminded us. Then he said: ‘I am leaving among you two important things: the first of which is the Book of Allaah’ – and he urged us to adhere to the Book of Allaah, then he said: ‘And the people of my household (ahl bayti). I remind you of Allaah with regard to the people of my household, I remind you of Allaah with regard to the people of my household, I remind you of Allaah with regard to the people of my household.’” Zayd said: his wives are among the people of his household, but the people of his household who are forbidden to receive sadaqah (charity) after his death are the family of ‘Ali, the family of ‘Aqeel, the family of Ja’far and the family of ‘Abbaas. All of these are forbidden to receive sadaqah.” [abbreviated version].

His advice concerning the people of his household has to do with honouring and respecting them, and not exposing them to abuse or annoyance. This does not mean that they are to be given preference over others who are known through the texts to be more virtuous than them, such as Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with them all).


Written by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Kareem al-Khudayr

source:

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=7186&ln=eng&txt=غدير خم

 

[iislam4ever]

i apologies on behalf those whom might have offended you in a way..
this shia nf suni is nonstop debate ,,whenever we talk about it there is always going to be disagreements and arguments ..Sister you shouldn’t abandon this site bc of such a small matter, I must say everyone is very nice here mashallah and we have to more liberal and tolerant about these topics...

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

It seems as this old thread has been dug up. I repeat, old! Anyway, I don't know why it remained open... these threads never get anyway with people trying to defend corrupt aqeedah, innovation, or call to unity of the opposing sects!