are modern salafis too strict?

[ahmed_indian]

:salam2:,

salafi means muslims of first 3 best generations. so all 4 main imams -ra- (and their schools) - Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali are salafis.

but i am talking about todays muslims who say they are salafis. it seems they are quite strict. is it so?

eg.
a***.com by Mufti Desai is a hanafi site.
islamqa.com by Sheikh Salih Minajjid is a salafi site.

i found these differences:

Hanafi - seeking prophet's intercession for this world is permissible.
Salafi - it is shirk

Hanafi - u can finish ur drink if u hear azan
Salafi - throw wht u have in ur mouth

Hanafi - raising hands in dua after fard salah is allowed.
Salafi - bidah

Hanafi - milad nabi is permissible if u dont take it compulsory
Salafi - bidah

Hanafi - taweez allowed if u belive that everything is frm Allah
Salafi - shirk

PS: i am not against salafis. i too am salafi. they have saved many ingorant muslims frm shirk. my aim is only to know the truth and not divide muslims. dividing muslims into deobandis, barelwis, salafis is not good. there is much misinformation.

may Allah keep all our ulama safe and keep all of us in His path. Ameen.

 

[nawfal.m.rouyan]

:salam2:

Abu Hanifa Raziallah tala anhu was the bestest of all four imaams,as his era was before the three imaams Raziallah tala anhu , and all three imaams Raziallah tala anhu are his students.

All the other three Imams were not students of Imam Abu Hanifa radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu.

1. Imam Malik had the same teachers as Imam Abu Hanifa radiallahu ta'ala 'anhuma (Abu al-Zinad and Ja'far al-Sadiq radiallahu ta'ala 'anhuma). He lived during the time of Imam Abu Hanifa radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu but 13 years younger than him radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu.
2. Imam Shafi'i was a student of a student of Imam Abu Hanifa radiallahu ta'ala 'anhum (Muhammad ibn al-Hassan radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu) and learned directly from Imam Malik radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu. He was born the year Imam Abu Hanifa radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu passed away.
3. Imam Ahmad learned directly from Imam Shafi'i radiallahu ta'ala 'anhuma and 14 years younger than him radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu.

We don't say which is the best among them but consider them among the greatest of Imams of all time.

Allah knows best. May He grant and expand our knowledge insyaAllah.

Wassalam.

 

[nawfal.m.rouyan]

:salam2:

Wow! The hadiths you posted are interesting. Thank you for posting them.

Wassalam.

 

[nawfal.m.rouyan]

:salam2:

According to all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence, bid'a is divided into two. Bid'a of guidance and bid'a of misguidance. Though the Hanbalis divided it into several others if I'm not mistaken. But they all came to the same conclusion.

Certain people object saying "What about the hadith kullu bid'atin dalala" 'Every innovation is a misguidance'? Doesn't the term 'every' include all innovations?"

Such an objection stems from the misinterpretation of the term kullu ("every") to mean "all-encompassing" without exception," whereas in Arabic it may mean "nearly all" or "the vast majority." This is how Imam Shafi'i (radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu) understood it; otherwise he would never have allowed any innovation whatsoever to be considered good.

Consider the hadith related by Imam Muslim (radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu) from the route of Jarir Ibn Abdullah radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu), that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wassallam) said:

The one who innovates a good innovation in Islam has its reward and the reward of those who would practice with it until the Day of Judgement without lessening the rewards of those who practice with it. The one who innovates the innovation of misguidance, would take the sin for it and the sin of those who practice with it until the Day of Judgement without lessening the sin of those who practice with it.

So perhaps the bid'a stated by Salafis are bid'a of guidance.

These are not my opinion but the opinions of the classical scholars of Islam so I'm not going to take credit for this as I am only a student of knowledge and full of errors.

Allah knows best. Wassalam.

 

[nawfal.m.rouyan]

So perhaps the bid'a stated by Salafis are bid'a of guidance.

Sorry the statement above is my opinion but the others weren't of my opinion.

 

[ahmed_indian]

According to all four schools of Islamic jurisprudence, bid'a is divided into two. Bid'a of guidance and bid'a of misguidance.

but who decides wht is good bidah and wht is bad bidah?

if i tell that recite Allah 151 times...it seems good bidah but it will be rejected by all ulama as it has no basis in shariah.

m still confused!

 

[nawfal.m.rouyan]

if i tell that recite Allah 151 times...it seems good bidah but it will be rejected by all ulama as it has no basis in shariah.

Erm good question. I seriously don't know. But saying all ulama will reject it seems like an exaggeration to me. Perhaps not all will reject. Different of opinions is a mercy from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala hence we have several schools of fiqh.

Though they differ in opinion, all are accepted. There is a hadith regarding this matter but I forgot where to find it and I'm in a hurry right now. I'll try to find it later if I remember about this post hehe.

Wassalam.

 

[BinKhadija]

All Imams were right and they worked very hard for solely Ummah. (May Allah reward them abundantly for their struggles.) I'd just say, depending on your personal interests or anything, follow one of them and stick to it. And keep making Dua to Allah Azwajal to bless you with knowledge of Islam from His Kingdom. Main thing is keeping connection with The Creator active, Insha’Allah. He, then, will guide you in your minor of the actions. Meaning in issues where there are contradictory opinions between Imams you will be able to see what right for you and hence what would please your Lord the most. Alhamdulillah, we have four options and

As for the question if Salafis are too strict, I tend to agree with that. Yes, they are. But then again it’s a personal preference.


I have a question now.
Do we have to say I am from blah blah sect or I follow some certain Imam only? Isn't saying I'm a Muslim enough? Because I feel, it is more of a personal thing what which of the Imams we opt to follow. What’s your opinion on that?

 

[nawfal.m.rouyan]

I have a question now.
Do we have to say I am from blah blah sect or I follow some certain Imam only? Isn't saying I'm a Muslim enough? Because I feel, it is more of a personal thing what which of the Imams we opt to follow. What’s your opinion on that?

This is an answer from a longer post in a blog concerning Fiqh al-Shafi'i or Fiqh al-Sunna which I think can be used partly to answer your question:

"To follow the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was a simple matter for the Companions (Sahaba); they knew and loved him, and when he would tell them something, they said, “We hear and obey.” When he passed from this world, the Quranic imperative remained, …

… we have been ordered to follow the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), and he is no longer alive to personally teach us. All that has reached us of it [i.e., Sacred Law, or Sharia], has reached us through men. And this is why Muslims from the earliest times have relied on the most knowledgeable of these men to take their religion from—whether in hadith, tenets of faith (`aqida), Quranic exegesis (tafsir), or the other Islamic sciences. The foremost of them were termed Imams, or “leaders”, in view of their position in each field, so their knowledge could be accepted and followed.

The question, in other words, is not whether we should follow Imam Shafi`i or the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)—any Muslim who has a single brain cell knows the answer to that question. The question is whether to follow the Sunna of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) as understood by Imam Shafi`i, or to follow the Sunna of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) as understood by the mysterious, unnamed person, who is probably the author of the book that you’re holding in your hands."

So I think "we are muslims" is perfectly fine. Or the long answer is "we are Muslim following the sunna as understood by ..." .

Wassalam.

 

[BinKhadija]

Lol..Brother if one follows One imaam then it comes to following all.Except when you go deep inside, like the depth of Scholars one will tend to see very small differences in Imam Shafi;i and Imaam Hanafi ( Radialllah Ta'ala Anhu).And there is where Imaam hanafi (radiallah ta'ala anhu ) is followed by Imaam Shafi'i (radiaallah ta'aal anhu)

Yes it is more of a personal thing.I am sorry if i looked rude but i was actually trying to state the hadeeth.

Jazakallah khair.

Am I wrong in understanding that according to Imam Abu Hanifah seeking Prophet's intercession is permissible?

I don't think I'd classify such differences very small. Depends how deep I am into this topic.
And you didn't sound rude to me at all. Don't worry. Barak Allah beek.

 

[IslamIsLight]

assalamu aleikum
Since we talking here just from our own views and opinions and without any proof from Quran or Sunnah ,from ahadeeth or from fatwa of the scholars ,then there is no need for this thread.

None of us are scholars here ,so please don't just post what you think about matter ,or what you used to do as cultural thing ,unless if you have a proof for that from authentic source .

eciting Allah 151 is like dikhr.Why is it wrong?

Consider the hadith related by Imam Muslim (radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu) from the route of Jarir Ibn Abdullah radiallahu ta'ala 'anhu), that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alaihi wassallam) said:

The one who innovates a good innovation in Islam has its reward and the reward of those who would practice with it until the Day of Judgement without lessening the rewards of those who practice with it. The one who innovates the innovation of misguidance, would take the sin for it and the sin of those who practice with it until the Day of Judgement without lessening the sin of those who practice with it.

Please do not give your own interpretation to hadith

if i tell that recite Allah 151 times...it seems good bidah but it will be rejected by all ulama as it has no basis in shariah.

m still confused!

It is simple .If this is not from the Sunnah ,and nor the Prophet ,peace be upon him ,nor Sahaba did it ,then who are we to invent new matters in the religion and follow it?

thread closed

waaleikum salam