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MONDAY, 5 March 2012 Front PageMiddle EastInternationalAnalysisBusiness & Sun Mar 04, 2012 18:55 pm (KSA) 15:55 pm (GMT) Four children among seven civilians killed in Syrian army shelling of Rastan
Sunday, 04 March 2012

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/04/198575.html

check the web page for the picture which has a boy holding a poster@IF YOU DO NOT HELP US WE WILL BE KILLED


After a month of bombardment by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces, concerns mounted for freezing, hungry and wounded civilians in Homs. (File photo) inShare.1By Al Arabiya With Agencie

Four children were among seven civilians killed in shelling by regime forces of the mainly opposition-held city of Rastan in central Syria on Sunday, a monitoring group said.

The victims included six family members killed when a rocket slammed into their home, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights which reported intensive shelling of Rastan since daybreak.

“Seven people, six of them family members and including a woman and four children, were killed when a rocket hit a house in Rastan,” said Abdel Rahman, whose watchdog earlier gave a death toll of three.

Abdel Rahman told AFP that “positions of deserters in the north of Rastan have been subject to intensive shelling.”

Free Syrian Army chief Riad al-Asaad has denied that regimes forces were in control of Homs entirely

He said opposition forces had withdrawn in some parts of city to avoid heavy casualties among the civilians.

Army deserters were routed from the Baba Amr district of the nearby city of Homs on Thursday and had since been bracing for an onslaught on Rastan and Qusayr, another town near Homs, according to the Britain-based Observatory.

The Red Cross delivered aid to areas around the battered Baba Amro district of the Syrian city of Homs on Sunday, but was blocked from entering the former rebel stronghold itself, three days after anti-government fighters fled a month-long siege.

In a further indication civilians were being caught up in the conflict, up to 2,000 Syrians fled into neighboring Lebanon, the U.N. Refugee Agency said.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said it had been prevented from entering Baba Amro by Syrian ground forces despite receiving government permission, a move activists said was to prevent aid workers witnessing army “massacres”.

“We have the green light, we hope to enter, we hope today is the day,” said the ICRC’s Damascus-based spokesman Saleh Dabbakeh, declining to give further details about what he said were sensitive talks with Syrian officials.

“We are very concerned about the people in Baba Amro.”

After a month of bombardment by President Bashar al-Assad’s forces, concerns mounted for freezing, hungry and wounded civilians in Homs, which on Saturday had come under renewed shelling by government troops, anti-Assad activists said.


redcross/red crescent have still not been allowed into ,,bab al amar,,,where there are many dead serious injuries..and the living are infreezing conditions wihtout food water or medicines,,


may Allah save them as the world has forgotten them:tti_sister:
 

John Smith

Junior Member
Too many threads opened on the same subject, maybe the MODS could merge them into one?

Back on topic and a question i keep asking myself is would all those women, children & men died if we as muslims paid attention to the words of our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) by not rebelling against our rulers?

You see beat my brain over this and wonder.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Brother,

I have been attempting to ask the very question for sometime now. We need to go back and learn what the Prophet, swas, told us. We need to understand what it is that we are trying to replace and do we have something to replace it with.

I am glad someone else has asked. What is that Allah loves for us to do and what is that Allah hates. It is not easy but necessary.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
assalamalaykum

well after reading all these reports( too many for your liking) do you think this man is a leader...who masaccres and slaughters civilians,,
not armed protestors but people in their homes,,cutting the throats of people children,,,,,he is nota leader,,certainly not a muslim leader,,,
many shiekhs have condmened to be an infidel
atrocities and torture are not a new thing for him,,,just becasue people rebelled,,,he has a histoyry his father his regime have a history of these#
face the facts..
how can you make excuses for such a man
its the muslim ummah we need to make excuse for
why muslims are so quiet over such killuings
if this was any western leader doing this,,,or non muslim( supposed muslim)every one of you would be in outrage

why do you make excuse for this man

well yes yet another thread on syria,,are you bored of reading them
they are important,,,they are about muslims
these things are important,,

i think more important than some of the issues we waste our time discussing



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innocent muslim men and women are being masaccared,,,
this is not a war zone...it is not a two way battle
it is systematic sluaghter

why do some of you refuse to face realty,...
let alone care and think what you can do to help

may allah save these people

because nnone else seems ready to do so

:tti_sister:
 

John Smith

Junior Member
well after reading all these reports( too many for your liking) do you think this man is a leader...who masaccres and slaughters civilians,,
not armed protestors but people in their homes,,cutting the throats of people children,,,,,he is nota leader,,certainly not a muslim leader,,,
many shiekhs have condmened to be an infidel
atrocities and torture are not a new thing for him,,,just becasue people rebelled,,,he has a histoyry his father his regime have a history of these#
face the facts..
how can you make excuses for such a man
its the muslim ummah we need to make excuse for
why muslims are so quiet over such killuings
if this was any western leader doing this,,,or non muslim( supposed muslim)every one of you would be in outrage

why do you make excuse for this man

well yes yet another thread on syria,,are you bored of reading them
they are important,,,they are about muslims
these things are important,,

i think more important than some of the issues we waste our time discussing



.....................................

innocent muslim men and women are being masaccared,,,
this is not a war zone...it is not a two way battle
it is systematic sluaghter

why do some of you refuse to face realty,...
let alone care and think what you can do to help

may allah save these people

because nnone else seems ready to do so

:tti_sister:


Sorry but don't get your hijab in a twist!

Just pointing out that the subject at hand has many thread's opened regarding it and it would be beneficial to all users if it had 1 thread with all matters posted in it, no point in clogging the forum up.

Back on topic and i make no excuses for the regime in damascus and the atrocities it commits against its civilian population, however there is a way of going about asking for civil rights.

Look at dawa'h salafiyah and you will not find one example of rebelling against the rulers,our call is about Tawheed and the Oneness of Allah Swt.

Assad will meets is maker that there is not doubt but the blood of innocents who get caught up in all of this madness is not worth trying to remove a dictator by force.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam walaikum,

I could not have stated it better.

We really need to go back and read what Allah subhana wa taala has told us to do.

On a side note..when I read that the Egyptian parliament would not allow a member to call adhan..I had to sit for a moment.
 

John Smith

Junior Member
Asalaam walaikum,

I could not have stated it better.

We really need to go back and read what Allah subhana wa taala has told us to do.

On a side note..when I read that the Egyptian parliament would not allow a member to call adhan..I had to sit for a moment.

Shocking? no! we have lost the basic requirement of our faith and that is to hold onto the rope of Allah swt and the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

When you need examples of dealing with tyranny then look no further than our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) exiled from his home and returned victorious but humble and forgave all those who wronged him, maybe if we showed the same compassion to Saddam,Gadaffi & now Assad maybe the tyrant rulers would not react in the way they do & accept that their rule is over and move aside without bloodshed.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

But we have no leaders. Who is going to have the backbone to stand up and say this is wrong by Allah's Laws.

We need to reach out to our imams to educate us; we need to reach deep within our communities and gain strenght.

We need to develop our relationship with Allah subhana wa taala. We need to recite and contemplate Quran. We need to adhere to the scholars more than the timeserving politicians.
 

John Smith

Junior Member
Assalaam walaikum,

But we have no leaders. Who is going to have the backbone to stand up and say this is wrong by Allah's Laws.

We need to reach out to our imams to educate us; we need to reach deep within our communities and gain strenght.

We need to develop our relationship with Allah subhana wa taala. We need to recite and contemplate Quran. We need to adhere to the scholars more than the timeserving politicians.

To be honest, we need to spend less time listening to the west telling us muslims how to live in our lands under our rulers,they are not our aspirations they like nothing more than to oppress us by supporting such goverments or certain ego's.

Let Allah Swt deal with the tyrant rulers like he always has and he is the best of plotters.
 

alaimakhalid6767

Junior Member
astagfirallah

:astag: we are muslims we should not kill any body neither kaffars or muslims that should be understood by us and we should not hate anybody we should just keep love in our hearts for each other:hearts:
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Shocking? no! we have lost the basic requirement of our faith and that is to hold onto the rope of Allah swt and the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

When you need examples of dealing with tyranny then look no further than our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) exiled from his home and returned victorious but humble and forgave all those who wronged him, maybe if we showed the same compassion to Saddam,Gadaffi & now Assad maybe the tyrant rulers would not react in the way they do & accept that their rule is over and move aside without bloodshed.

compassion to assad who masaccres women and children how just tell me how....he is killing innocent muslims..and many shiekhs say it is a duty to fight him ..................................................................
 

esperanza

revert of many years
To be honest, we need to spend less time listening to the west telling us muslims how to live in our lands under our rulers,they are not our aspirations they like nothing more than to oppress us by supporting such goverments or certain ego's.

Let Allah Swt deal with the tyrant rulers like he always has and he is the best of plotters.

yes we should not listen to the west,,but also we should not followo corrupt leaders..
assad has helped keep peace wiht israel..not as many think stood up to israel..no he has done the opposite assured that israel is safe,,

one reason the west is until now staying out of syria ..israle does not want syria unsettled

israle does not want sunnis beiong strong in syria ..as that is a threat to them
 

esperanza

revert of many years
Assalaam walaikum,

But we have no leaders. Who is going to have the backbone to stand up and say this is wrong by Allah's Laws.

We need to reach out to our imams to educate us; we need to reach deep within our communities and gain strenght.

We need to develop our relationship with Allah subhana wa taala. We need to recite and contemplate Quran. We need to adhere to the scholars more than the timeserving politicians.

yes sister and the scholars are condeming this man as a traitor as an enemy to muslims

why does everyone refuse to face reality


what sort of muslims are we if we keep quiet while our fellow muslims are masaccared..tell me thar
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikkum wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu,

Sister, you ask everyone to fight Bashar Al-Assad and the rulers like them. Do we have the resources to fight him? Will fighting him cause more casualities or less? The people who make decisions are not us. Please think about it. An oppressive ruler is not new in the history.

And moreover such oppressive rulers are our recompense for what we did and still do, if we are steadfast in our religion, Allah will help us and everything else will be fine, Insha Allah. These rulers don't come from Mars or Jupiter, they are one of us, and they come from us. So, they are what we have earned.

Ibn Abil-'Izz (d.792H, rahimahullaah) said:

Indeed, in patiently bearing their tyranny lies the wiping away of sins and a great reward. Since Allaah has not given them authority over us except due to the corruption of our own actions - and the reward is of the same type as the action. So we should strive hard in seeking forgiveness of Allaah, repent to Him and correct our actions... So if the subjects desire an end to the oppresion of the oppressive rulers, then let them also cease oppressing themselves (through sins and disobedience). [Refer to Sharhul-'Aqeedatit-Tahaawiyyah (p. 382).]

Also, 'Ubaidah As-Sulaimaanee said to 'Alee ibn Abee Taalib (radiallaahu 'anhu):

Oh Ameer al Mu'mineen: What is wrong that the people cooperated with and obeyed Abu Bakr and 'Umar while the dunya was tighter upon them than a handspan, and then became vast and ample for them, and then you and 'Uthmaan took responsibility for the Khilaafah and they didn't cooperate with or obey you, and the dunya was ample and then became tighter for both of you than a handspan?

Alee said: Because the subjects of Abu Bakr and 'Umar were like me and 'Uthmaan, and my subjects are like you and similar!

Allah, says, in Qur'an :
And as such do we appoint some Dhaalimeen (wrongdoers, oppressors) over others to rule due to what they earned. (al-An'aam, ayah 129)

So, this is what we have earned. And the oppressive rulers will not be removed by rebellion and chaos, even if we make a war, do you think everything will be solved, until Allah wills? Do you guarantee less casualities?

How did the Salaf deal with Oppression?

Ibn Sa'd relates in his Tabaqaat al-Kubraa (7/163-165):
A group of Muslims came to al-Hasan al-Basree (d.110, rahimahullaah) seeking a verdict to rebel against al-Hajjaaj [the tyrannical and despotic ruler]. So they said, "O Abu Sa'eed! What do you say about fighting this oppressor who has unlawfully spilt blood and unlawfully taken wealth and did this and that?" So al-Hasan said: I hold that he should not be fought. If this is a punishment from Allaah, then you will not be able to remove it with your swords. If this is a trial from Allaah, then be patient until Allaah's judgement comes, and He is the best of judges. So they left al-Hasan, disagreed with him and rebelled against al-Hajjaaj - so al-Hajjaaj killed them all. Al-Hasan used to say: If the people had patience when they are being tested by their unjust ruler, it will not be long before Allaah will give them a way out. However, they always rush for their swords, so they are left with their swords. By Allaah! Not even for a single day did they bring about any good.

It is narrated from al-Hasan al-Basree (d.110), as mentioned in Minhaj us-Sunnah of Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (4/528):

Verily, al-Hajjaaj is the punishment of Allaah. So do not repel the punishment of Allaah with your own hands. But you must submit and show humility, for Allaah the Most High stated:

And indeed We seized them with punishment, but they humbled not themselves to their Lord, nor did they invoke (Allaah) with submission to Him. (Al-Mu'minoon, ayah 76).


And also from al-Hasan al-Basree, as occurs in Adaab Hasan al-Basri, of Ibn al-Jawzee, (pp.119-120):
Know - may Allaah pardon you - that the tyranny of the kings is a retribution (niqmah) from among the retributions of Allaah, the Most High. And Allaah's retributions are not to be faced with the sword, but they are to be faced with taqwaah (piety) and are repelled with supplication and repentance, remorse (inaabah) and abstention from sins. Verily, when the punishments of Allaah are met with the sword, [they] are more severe. And Maalik bin Deenaar narrated to me that al-Hajjaaj (Ibn Yoosuf) used to say, 'Know that every time you commit a sin, Allaah will bring about a punishment from the direction of your ruler (sultaan).'

And I have also been told that a person said to al-Hajjaaj, "Do you do such and such with the Ummah of Muhammad (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)?" So he replied, "For the reason that I am the punishment of Allaah upon the people of 'Iraaq, when they innovated into their religion whatever they innovated, and when they abandoned the commands of their Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) whatever they abandoned."

So, the solution lies with following the Sunnah.. Not in acting according to desires. If we give Allah what he is entitled to, he will appoint just rulers for us. Weapons and war ...doesn't always solve everything.

Yes, we are all sad and depressed about this killings and this might even happen to me and you and everyone of us. Then, Allah is the source of strength. Make wise decision according to the Kitab and Sunnah
 

Ershad

Junior Member
Walaikkum assalam,

As for current fitnah and similar, the Ulema have asked us and them to defend themselves and their family and depend on Allah... We do not depend on people. Allah is source of strength and we will do everything within our capabilities, insha Allah. We will increase our Du'a and the power of Du'a is immense. And for the bigger issues, the people in authority will make a decision based on Ulema's advice and we follow them and that is better for us. We cannot make decision and act by ourselves.
 

esperanza

revert of many years
salam

im not asking everyone to fight,,,but to stop giving excuses for this man
oppression is not new in history so does that mean ignore it
he is butchering women and children,,,dumping bodies in fornt of mosque,,,
he has norespect for life nor respect for muslims,,,
he treats people in the worst possible way,,,,inhumanely

peopel are angry when an american attacks afghanistanis ..yes its terrible
but this everyday 50 masaccared we should keep quiet,,,

why
so more can be masaccared
people went for jihad to aghanistan when they fought the russians to bosnia when they fought the serbs..

why becasue the enemy was the west the kaffir,,,whic everyone lovoes to hate

so why is this different
 
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