Deliberately skipping prayer...make one unbeliever?

[DanyalSAC]

Asalaamu alaikum

Jabir reports that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "Between a person and disbelief is discarding prayer." (Related by Ahmad, Muslim, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmizhi and Ibn Majah.)

Buraidah reported that the Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, "The pact between us and them is prayer. Whoever abandons it is a disbeliever." (Related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmizhi, anNasa'i and Ibn Majah.)

Says Muhammad ibn Nasr al-Mirwazi, "I heard Ishaq say, 'It is authentic (that) the Prophet (said or ruled): One who does not pray is an unbeliever." It is from the Prophet himself that one who intentionally does not pray until the time for the prayer is over is an unbeliever."

I do not know Hadith well enough to know if these are authentic or not. I DO know however that while in a conversation with someone earlier today he called me a "sinner" because I commented that someone who deliberately missed his prayer fell into disbelief - a conclusion I came to because of ahadith like above. When I shared the above hadith this person said that they were "lies" and that "lie hadith are common, especially in America".

Opinions?

 

[BinteShafi]

Asslam u Alaikum brother,

Above ahadith are authentic insha Allah.

Not praying is a serious major sin; in fact many scholars say that it is kufr (disbelief).

Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The first deed for which the people will be brought to account on the Day of Resurrection will be prayer. Our Lord will say to His angels, although He knows best: ‘Look at the prayer of My slave and see whether it is complete or lacking.’ If it is complete, it will be recorded for him as being complete, and if anything is lacking from it, He will say: ‘Look and see whether My slave has any involuntary (prayers to his credit).’ If he has involuntary (prayers to his credit), He will say: ‘Complete the obligatory prayers for My slave from his voluntary prayers.’ Then other deeds will be judged in the same manner” Narrated by Abu Dawood (864).

Salaah is is a connection (silah) between a person and his Lord. Whoever does not pray, his zakaah, fasting, Hajj, jihaad, enjoining of what is good, forbidding of what is evil, reading of Qur’aan and upholding of family ties will not be accepted. Indeed, all his good deeds will be rejected if he does not pray.

The scholars, including Imaam Ahmad, said that whoever does not pray should be executed as a kaafir, and his body should not be washed or shrouded, the funeral prayer should not be offered over him, he should not be buried in the Muslims’ graveyard and his Muslim heirs cannot inherit from him.

It is not permissible for a Muslim to abandon prayer, because you never know when death will catch you unawares.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said at the end of his life, during his final sickness:

“(Adhere to) prayer, (adhere to) prayer and (take care of) those whom your right hands possess (i.e., slaves).”

(Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 3/117; Ibn Maajah, 2697; Ibn Hibbaan, 1220. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Irwaa’, no.2178).

Prayer is the pillar of Islam. Imaam Ahmad said: Your share of Islam is according to your share of prayer. It is haraam for a Muslim to abandon prayer, for abandoning it is kufr. This issue has been discussed in great detail by the scholars in their books. And it was said that (the one who abandons prayer) is to be executed as a punishment, as is well known. And Allaah knows best.


Fataawa Samaahat al-Imaam ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Humayd, p. 86

Source:IslamQA

Wa alaikum salam wrwb

 

[DanyalSAC]

Thank you JazakAllah Khairn.

I thought I wasn't too far off base. As the "new guy" I am accustomed to getting lectured left and right by my Muslim brothers (and sisters now and then) who feel the need to correct my every step, word, deed, thought (sorry if this sounds angry).

This person had asked me if I prayed 5 times a day. I replied - more or less jokingly - "yes I wouldn't be a Muslim if I didn't!" and that set him off.

 

[BinteShafi]

Thank you JazakAllah Khairn.

I thought I wasn't too far off base. As the "new guy" I am accustomed to getting lectured left and right by my Muslim brothers (and sisters now and then) who feel the need to correct my every step, word, deed, thought (sorry if this sounds angry).

This person had asked me if I prayed 5 times a day. I replied - more or less jokingly - "yes I wouldn't be a Muslim if I didn't!" and that set him off.

You are welcome brother. Barak Allah Feek.

This did not sound angry at all. We have countless examples that reverts do encounter such type of issues ..... One of our Sheikh advised us strictly to say "SALAM ONLY and NO ADVISE" to a new revert.

Sheikh Kamal El Makki (Who is well known in USA for giving effective Dawah) told us that one of the biggest reason that many reverts leave Islam is "We.... Born Muslims". We love to give advise all the time.... SubhanAllah

Secondly

It really drives me crazy (I need to correct myself I know) when people try to change religion as per their own desires. They accept what they like and reject what they do not like. Prophet salla allahu alaihi wassallam said "that every son of Adam is a sinner and best of the sinner is the one who repent". May Allah Allah help us to acknowledge our mistakes and to correct them. May HE make us of those who SUBMIT themselves completely.

Wa Alaikum Salam,

 

[DanyalSAC]

I agree entirely. And when these same people get confronted, they find a dozen examples to support their belief system.

I have a wonderful Imam at my masjid, his knowledge far surpasses anyone else that I've ever talked to. When I have a question, he has an answer ready at the tip of his tongue. I am grateful Allah has guided me to a masjid with no bidah that follows the sunnah. What really bothers me is when I take a good lesson from the Imam and bring it back to a friend or online buddy & then when I try to share the lesson the friend or online buddy wants to argue with ME because they don't agree with what the Imam says. My Imam has scholars backing his points of view.

Recently a coworker who's Islam is slightly more ... liberal I guess... than mine gave me a set of books. They were quite pretty and smelled nice, but when I asked my Imam for his guidance on if they were proper for me to read or not he said as gently as he could that I would be better off reading Sahih Al Bukhari because this set of books contained ahadith that could not be authenticated. And all he had to do was glance at the cover.

I guess where I'm going with this is I feel I have proper spiritual guidance; I don't have much of an issue with brothers who try to guide me for my own good, but I do resent brothers who ARGUE with me because they want to assert their "more Muslim than you"ness on me. I have eaten lunch with a brother who, believe it or not, tried to lecture me on my table manners (I was using a napkin, and he said there were hadith about not doing so...).

At any rate, that's me babbling... JazakAllah Khairn...!

D.

 

[ahmed_indian]

Asalaamu alaikum

I do not know Hadith well enough to know if these are authentic or not. I DO know however that while in a conversation with someone earlier today he called me a "sinner" because I commented that someone who deliberately missed his prayer fell into disbelief - a conclusion I came to because of ahadith like above. When I shared the above hadith this person said that they were "lies" and that "lie hadith are common, especially in America".

Opinions?

there is difference of opinion among scholars.

some believe that leaving prayers means disbelief while others disagree.

so its better brother if u dont debate with others about this.

just guide others about loving, fearing and obeying Allah regarding prayers.

 

[DanyalSAC]

there is difference of opinion among scholars.

some believe that leaving prayers means disbelief while others disagree.

so its better brother if u dont debate with others about this.

just guide others about loving, fearing and obeying Allah regarding prayers.

I never debate with anyone, especially other Muslims simply because I don't know enough to do so.

However I do take offense when someone accuses Americans of deliberately falsifying hadith. Lets face it - most Americans don't even know what a hadith IS, let alone know to fabricate one.

 

[ahmed_indian]

Lets face it - most Americans don't even know what a hadith IS, let alone know to fabricate one.

its funny brother

but sad also