disproves islam???!!

[al-muslimah]

Salam alaaycoum,
This is the second time i put this thread,coz the first thread was deleted ..and i dont know why..theres nothing wrong in it..

Read this short story and tell me your opinion.
does it really disprove islam?

Once upon a time the King Farouk of Egypt invited three religious people head of three religions:
-One Jew
-One Christian
-One Muslim
And he asked them so that each one tell him why he think that follower
of his religion will go to Heaven and not others!
The Jew said I will answer last
The Christians said let the Muslim Sheikh begin

So the Muslim sheikh begin and said:
If Judaism is right then we Muslims will enter Heaven because we believe in
Moses and commandments written in Torah!

If Christianity is right then we will enter the heaven because we believe in
Jesus (pbuh) and his Miracles and the God he called for in the bible, same like his words in the bible!

If Muslims right, then Not Jews or Christians will go to heaven!

Peace

 

[BintMuhammad]

Wa alaikumussalaam,

I think I have deleted the same post before. I deleted it coz I find it senseless unless someone can explain this to me? Although I get the point but it's not presented in a good way.

 

[al-muslimah]

Wa alaikumussalaam,

I think I have deleted the same post before. I deleted it coz I find it senseless unless someone can explain this to me? Although I get the point but it's not presented in a good way.

Oh..so it was you,sister..but why didnt you tell me before deleting it..i wont
put a senseless thread, i actualy have some resons puting it and i feel its imp.. i'll tell you whats it about..
once i put this thread in a group that discusses
religious issues so a non-muslem replyed this post:

"This story disproves Islam.
according to the Jews : the Muslim the Christian and the Jew can all go to heaven.

Premise 1 :you believe that God created the world and set it up exactly as it is .
premise 2 : There are many people in the world who do not have access to the
Koran and have never heard of Mohamed.

Conclusion : God created people with no chance of going to heaven ????????

do you disagree with any of the premises or do the premises not follow the conclusion ?

The same argument goes for the Christian faith as well, thank you, your story
has single handedly disproved Both Christianity and Islam , can I quote you on this story please?"

so i was really annoyed about what he said ..although i
see the story interesting and proves islam..
so i put the thread here just to see what you guys reply so i know what to
reply back to him and know how to answer..

 

[MTYKK]

Apparently he was talking to people who heard of Islam and its message so point is mute.

As you should already know, We do not believe calling yourself a Muslim is a get out of hell free card what-so-ever, that's the Christian tale. We also believe that we can never measure Allah's (swt) mercy. We can never know the hearts of men and women and what creed they die on, or what circumstances Allah(swt) tested them with. Thus we claim no hell nor paradise for anyone since that's Allah's (swt) knowledge that we don't have.

Don't you remember the hadith that goes something like this...

The one who says to his brother he is a kaafir, one of them surely is.

Which means to me that, at that point you're transgressing the knowledge of Allah(swt) unrighteously, thus putting yourself in state of kufr.

Also the hadith that talks about one who acts like the people of Paradise, even if he gets as close to paradise as an arms length, if Allah decreed him hell-fire, he will do the deeds of the people of hell-fire and enter it and vice versa.

 

[TheHumbleWun]

Asalaamalikum,

Jazakallah khair for the sharing.

Moral of the story: You can't go wrong with Islam

Once you have believed in the foundation of Islam then you have to carry your responsibilities by performing righteous and good deeds to determine if you go to heaven and it is only through the mercy of Allah swt.

A Muslim lives between hope and fear. You can't have too much hope (wishful thinking) you will go to heaven so you have to fear the wrath of Allah swt and think that you won't go to heaven either.

P.S. Welcome to the club where threads unanimously and secretly gets deleted

 

[a_muslimah86]

Apparently he was talking to people who heard of Islam and its message so point is mute.

As you should already know, We do not believe calling yourself a Muslim is a get out of hell free card what-so-ever, that's the Christian tale. We also believe that we can never measure Allah's (swt) mercy. We can never know the hearts of men and women and what creed they die on, or what circumstances Allah(swt) tested them with. Thus we claim no hell nor paradise for anyone since that's Allah's (swt) knowledge that we don't have.

Don't you remember the hadith that goes something like this...

The one who says to his brother he is a kaafir, one of them surely is.

Which means to me that, at that point you're transgressing the knowledge of Allah(swt) unrighteously, thus putting yourself in state of kufr.

Also the hadith that talks about one who acts like the people of Paradise, even if he gets as close to paradise as an arms length, if Allah decreed him hell-fire, he will do the deeds of the people of hell-fire and enter it and vice versa.

Amen to that!
it's almost exactly what i had in mind too

 

[uskupi]

assalam alaikum...i will tell short version of hadith wich can be found in feth-ul-bari were Muhammad salallahu alaihi we salam said;>Every one who (claims) said LA ILAHE IL ALLAH MUHAMMEDU RESULULLAH.in some versions only LA ILAHE IL ALLAH, will enter the jannah (paradise),than in the day of resurrection i will do shafah(intermediate ) for all those that say LA ILAHE IL ALLAH MUHAMMEDU RESULULLAH.Wen all of them will be taken from jahanam to jannah i will ask to do shafah for the others that say LA ILAHE IL ALLAH than Allah subhanehu we teala will say>> NO<< THEY ARE IN MY CONCERNMENT:< this hadith shows that people that never heard about the prophet Muhammad salalahu alaihi we salam but believe in Allah (One God) and have done good deeds will also enter jannah ,,,will that be with the first group or the second only Allah subhanehu we teala know... assalam alaikum

 

[uskupi]

Salam alaaycoum,
This is the second time i put this thread,coz the first thread was deleted ..and i dont know why..theres nothing wrong in it..

Read this short story and tell me your opinion.
does it really disprove islam?

Once upon a time the King Farouk of Egypt invited three religious people head of three religions:
-One Jew
-One Christian
-One Muslim
And he asked them so that each one tell him why he think that follower
of his religion will go to Heaven and not others!
The Jew said I will answer last
The Christians said let the Muslim Sheikh begin

So the Muslim sheikh begin and said:
If Judaism is right then we Muslims will enter Heaven because we believe in
Moses and commandments written in Torah!

If Christianity is right then we will enter the heaven because we believe in
Jesus (pbuh) and his Miracles and the God he called for in the bible, same like his words in the bible!

If Muslims right, then Not Jews or Christians will go to heaven!

Peace

assalam alaikum...so there should not be misunderstandings...the muslim that is geveing the answers to the king Farouk is doing that in accord with the Quran because when the Quran referes to Tawrat(Torah) or Injiel(Gospel) has in meaning the Original reveald Tawrat and the Original reveald Injiel so the person that is claiming that this answer of this honerouble muslim is disproveing Islam is WRONG...assalam alaikum

 

[uskupi]

assalam alaikum ... just to becom clear the answer of the geven person (non-muslim) was taken in accord with the todays jews and a christians unlike the honourable Shaikh who has taken the jews of the time of Musa Salallahu alaihi we salam and the nasranije (christians) of the time of Isa salalahu alaihi we salam ...assalam alaikum

 

[BintMuhammad]

Asalaamalikum,

Jazakallah khair for the sharing.

P.S. Welcome to the club where threads unanimously and secretly gets deleted

:salam2: brother,

I'm sorry but do I smell sarcasm? If you have a problem with the moderators and the Admin report it directly and drop us a message. It's not easy if you were in our shoes. WE are just humans and we do our best to inform users whenever their threads gets deleted or moderated and we might fail to inform some due to loads of stuff, related and non related to this forum.

Oh..so it was you,sister..but why didnt you tell me before deleting it

I apologise sister, today we have deleted a lot of inappropriate stuff like spams and what not. Also, when I meant your post was not presented in a good way, I was referring to the story not to how you posted your thread Forgive me if you felt like I snapped at you Inshaa'Allaah.

 

[abou haytam]

premise 2 : There are many people in the world who do not have access to the
Koran and have never heard of Mohamed.

Anas said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Four (kinds of people) will be brought forth on the Day of Resurrection: the infant, the insane, the one who died during the Fatrah (the period between two prophets) and the very old man. All of them will speak in their own defence, then the Lord, may He be blessed and exalted, will say to a neck of Hell, ‘Come forth!’ and He will say to them, ‘I used to send Messengers to My slaves from amongst themselves. Now I am the Messenger of Myself to you. Enter this (i.e., the Fire).’ Those who are decreed to be among the doomed will say, ‘O Lord, how could we enter it when we are trying to escape it?’ And those who are decreed to be among the blessed will rush to enter it. And Allaah will say: ‘You would have been more disobedient towards My Messengers.’ So those will enter Paradise and those will enter Hell.” Narrated by Abu Ya’laa, 4224. There are corroborating reports which were mentioned by Ibn Katheer in al-Tafseer, 3/29-31.

With regard to the situation of their children who die when still young, Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz was asked about that and he said:

If one who is not yet accountable dies among kaafir parents, then he comes under the same rulings as them in this world, so he should not be washed and the funeral prayer should not be offered for him, and he should not be buried in the Muslim graveyard.

But in the Hereafter his case is referred to Allaah. It was narrated in a saheeh report that when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about the children of the mushrikeen he said: “Allaah knows best what they would have done.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1384.

Some of the scholars were of the view that Allaah’s knowledge about them will be made manifest on the Day of Resurrection, and that they will be tested, as will the people who lived during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) and others. If they do what they are told to do then they will enter Paradise, and if they disobey then they will enter Hell. There are saheeh ahaadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which say that the people who lived during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) will be tested on the Day of Resurrection. These are the people whom the call of the Messengers did not reach and those who come under a similar ruling, such as the children of the mushrikeen, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)”

[al-Isra’ 17:15]
This is the most correct view among the various opinions concerning the people who lived during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) and others whom the call did not reach, and it is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah and his student Ibn al-Qayyim, and a number of the earlier and later generations.

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah, 3/163-164.

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[Waseem Hanif]

Salam alaaycoum,
This is the second time i put this thread,coz the first thread was deleted ..and i dont know why..theres nothing wrong in it..

Read this short story and tell me your opinion.
does it really disprove islam?

Once upon a time the King Farouk of Egypt invited three religious people head of three religions:
-One Jew
-One Christian
-One Muslim
And he asked them so that each one tell him why he think that follower
of his religion will go to Heaven and not others!
The Jew said I will answer last
The Christians said let the Muslim Sheikh begin

So the Muslim sheikh begin and said:
If Judaism is right then we Muslims will enter Heaven because we believe in
Moses and commandments written in Torah!

If Christianity is right then we will enter the heaven because we believe in
Jesus (pbuh) and his Miracles and the God he called for in the bible, same like his words in the bible!

If Muslims right, then Not Jews or Christians will go to heaven!

Peace

:salam2:

Either u dont know much about Islam or ur somebody else trying to confuse us/cause hatred.

Please read and learn about Islam, not just from the internet but from books,
before u make statemants like " jews beeing pigs and apes " ..... and plenty of other stuff u did.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18980
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19312
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19136

Here are some books which u can read:
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-History-Modern-Library-Chronicles/dp/081296618X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-9418336-1270031?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192493173&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Civilization-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr/dp/0060507144/ref=sr_1_19/105-9418336-1270031?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192493387&sr=1-19

 

[muharram23]

Don't mess with hurul ein

 

[uskupi]

:salam2:

Either u dont know much about Islam or ur somebody else trying to confuse us/cause hatred.

Please read and learn about Islam, not just from the internet but from books,
before u make statemants like " jews beeing pigs and apes " ..... and plenty of other stuff u did.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18980
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19312
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19136

Here are some books which u can read:
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-History-Modern-Library-Chronicles/dp/081296618X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-9418336-1270031?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192493173&sr=1-2
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Civilization-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr/dp/0060507144/ref=sr_1_19/105-9418336-1270031?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192493387&sr=1-19

assalam alaikum ...waseem hanif i think you misunderstood the thread namley al-muslimah is asking for opinion of TTI members about wether that answer of the Shaikh to the King disaproves Islam like the named non-muslim thinks and she is not geveing her opinion about that so i think if you read the second post that al-muslimah send's (#3) will be clear to you assalam alaikum

 

[al-muslimah]

assalam alaikum ...waseem hanif i think you misunderstood the thread namley al-muslimah is asking for opinion of TTI members about wether that answer of the Shaikh to the King disaproves Islam like the named non-muslim thinks and she is not geveing her opinion about that so i think if you read the second post that al-muslimah send's (#3) will be clear to you assalam alaikum

thankyou so much brother for showing what im trying to show, i dont know why alot are misunderstanding my threads although i write whats going on..actualy as i said billions of times that some of the questions i post i get to be asked by a non-muslim in some kind of other religious groups..
btw the three threads waseem showed were some of those question the non-muslem asked me
the ones i know how to answer i just answer right away..and the ones i dont know or dont know how to explain i just post them here,and you guys help me understand and know how to answer and explain..i get lots of benifets from the answers and i save them in my documents incase anyone askes me the same questions..as i did get some..as you know that you get lots of non-muslims get to ask the same questions..
im sure you guys get benifets too.. anyways thanks alot for the sisters and brothers who are helping me and may allah reward you jannah alfardous..

 

[danial]

hello? isnt the story wronggggggggggg???? according to xtianity u will only go heaven if u believe that jesus was the son of god n he died for the sins of humankind. muslims do believe that...

so the story is wrong...if xtianity is correct, the muslims wont go heaven..

someone pls address my comment..

 

[al-muslimah]

hello? isnt the story wronggggggggggg???? according to xtianity u will only go heaven if u believe that jesus was the son of god n he died for the sins of humankind. muslims do believe that...

so the story is wrong...if xtianity is correct, the muslims wont go heaven..

someone pls address my comment..

actualy thats how i found the story..i think its a real one.
whats "xtianity"?

 

[Wiseguy74]

Assalam O Alaikum,

Simple answer ....Allah o Alam. We Muslims don´t know what will happened to us and you are asking about Non-Muslims.

Wassalam

 

[ShaheedU]

hello? isnt the story wronggggggggggg???? according to xtianity u will only go heaven if u believe that jesus was the son of god n he died for the sins of humankind. muslims do believe that...so the story is wrong...if xtianity is correct, the muslims wont go heaven..

someone pls address my comment..

You meant to say muslims ''don't' believe that.

The story is silly, its seems more like a joke then anything you can learn from. The 'shaykhs' statements are wrong. I don't like it when people use logic to explain Islaam, not talking abut this story in particular because it means absolutely nothing to me, it's words that may have been written by a kaafir, i have no idea and Allaah alone knows best.

 

[danial]

actualy thats how i found the story..i think its a real one.
whats "xtianity"?

xtianity is CHRISTIANITY just like xmas is CHRISTMAS