Does a madhhab take priority over a hadeeth?

abubaseer

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Does a madhhab take priority over a hadeeth?
I have a question pertaining to the Hadith and Sunnah Nabi(s.a.w.) and the Madhhab. My country follows the teachings of Madhhab Imam Shafiee and therefore so too the people. There are instances where the teachings of the madhhab took precedent over the hadith and sunnah of the Nabi (s.a.w.). Which should I follow. eg. In Madhhab Imam Shafiee, the wudho is broken if a male purposely or accidentally touch a female either muhrim or not. I have come across a Sunnah Nabi(s.a.w.), who used to move Aishah's (r.a.) leg while performing the fajr prayers. eg. Muslims in my country are thougt that during the Haj, their niat for wudho to switch from the Madhhab Shafiee to that of Madhaab Hambali and perform the wudho as followers of Madhhad Hambali do. The reason for this is as stated in the example above. Is this right, switching from one Madhhab to another during performing the Haj. eg. In Madhhab Shafiee, its is sunat muakad to recite the Doa Qunut during Fajr prayers. Did the Nabi(s.a.w.) recite the Doa Qunut during His Fajr prayers. What is the hukum for ones that do not recite the Doa Qunut.

Praise be to Allaah.

What is obligatory is to follow that which is indicated by the evidence (daleel) of the Qur’aan and Sunnah, even if it differs from what the madhhab says. But it is essential to understand the Qur’aan and Sunnah as they were understood by the Salaf, and not only by our understanding of them. What is meant by the Salaf is the Sahaabah and the Taabi’een.

Concerning the example which you gave, touching a woman does not break wudoo’ at all, whether it is done with desire or not – because of the hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kissed one of his wives and then went out to pray, and he did not repeat his wudoo’. But if a man emits something (madhiy) because of desire, then he has to do wudoo’ – not because of the act of touching, but because something came out from him.

With regard to the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “…or you have been in contact with [lit. touched] women…” [al-Maa’idah 5:6] – this is referring to sexual intercourse, according to the correct view.

2- There is no need to move from one madhhab to another. The obligatory duties of hajj should be performed as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performed them, because he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Take your rituals from me.”

The correct view concerning Qunoot in Fajr prayer is that it is Sunnah at times of calamity only, i.e., if a disaster has befallen the Muslims or some of them, then it is mustahabb to do Qunoot and to pray to Allaah to grant them relief. But under normal circumstances, the correct view is that this is not mustahabb, and this is what the daleel (evidence) refers to. So whoever does not do Qunoot, his prayer is still valid, even according to the Shaafa’is, may Allaah have mercy on them.

And Allaah knows best.
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ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
:salam2:

jazaak Allah khair brother.

but the question is somewht confusing to me. the people who started these 4 madhhab were not ignorant muslims or ones who gave opinions based on their wishes and desires. their madhhab is based on Quran and hadith. so there is no question of *hadith or madhhab*.

it will be wrong for me to learn few hadith and start argumenting with the opinions of such leaders (may Allah have mercy upon all).

i read one hadith that if mujtahid is right, he is given 2 reward and if wrong then 1 reward. (something like this)
 

abubaseer

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:salam2:

The Imaams were Noble Scholars of the Ummah.

But, they were not free from error, only Prophet :saw: is free from error.
And even if they erred they would get one reward for it as narrated in an authetic hadidth.

And SubhanAllah! they had the foresight too, thats exactly why they feared that People might stubbornly follow their maddhab even when it went against Quran and Sunnah.

There are many examples of madhhabs going against hadeeth.


If it was never possible for a madhhab to contradict Hadeeth, Imaam Abu Haneefah Rahimahullah wouldn't have said


“If I say something that goes against the Book of Allaah or the report of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then ignore what I say.”


Imam Maalik wouldn't have said: “I am only human, sometimes I make mistakes and sometimes I get things right. Look at my opinion and whatever is in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah, take it, and whatever is not in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah, ignore it.”


We respect them for their knowledge. But it is not correct on our part to reject a Proof from Quran and Hadeeth, just because it goes against the Madhhab. It also goes against the advice of these Great Scholars of Ummah.

So lets, truly follow the advice of these great Scholars of our Ummah and whenever a Madhhab contradicts the Hadeeth, leave the Madhhab and follow the Hadeeth.

Because if we donot do that we are elevating the Status of the Scholars above the Prophet :saw:.
Also, we are going against the advice of Imaam Abu Haneefah, Imaam Ash-Shafa'ee, Imaam Ahmad Bin Hambal and Imaam Malik May Allah have Mercy on them All.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
salam

brother Abubaseer

you are right my brother....
but one thing....you mentioned:
""But, they were not free from error, only Prophet(s.a.w.s) is free from error.""
no one is free from error,only Allah subhana wa ta'la is free from error.and that is one of the main characteristics of most merciful Allah.
Prophet(s.a.w.s.)was also not free from error...He is Allah who made Prophet(s.a.w.s) free from error to us...

so we shouldnt say like ....only Prophet(s.a.w.s)
because saying that we'll commit Kufr unconsciously...

and remember kufr is the only sin that u commit it consciously or unconsciously,will not be forgiven by Allah

May Allah forgive us all....may Allah guide us all
But my brother you r right.....mashallah...

Jazakallahu khair
wa barakallahu feekum
 

abubaseer

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:salam2: Brother SaifKhan,

JazakAllahu Khayr for the adding.

I did not mean in that way.

Yes, Prophet :saw: is indeed free from error for us today because whenever he used to commit an error, revealation used to come to correct it.

JazakAllahu Khayr for adding that!
 

Muslim-life

Always Alhamdulilah
Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu...

I have been thinking of a question for long; Have You to follow just 1 madhab or can you follow one of them in one thing because that is fx. the best in the country you live in, and another in another thing?

I know there isn't a great difference between the great Imams but there are still things which can confuse one a bit ..

Wassalam alaikum...
 
:salam2:

jzk, it would be better, in my opinion, to just go ahead and post what sheik Albany, ra commented about this in the opening of his book the prophet's (PBUH) prayer described.

for it doesn't answer one specific question but rather gives the quotations from their respective works regarding this issue.

like mentioned before on the previous posts, the issue is Usool Al-fiqh. That is why Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid said:

What is obligatory is to follow that which is indicated by the evidence (daleel) of the Qur’aan and Sunnah, even if it differs from what the madhhab says. But it is essential to understand the Qur’aan and Sunnah as they were understood by the Salaf, and not only by our understanding of them. What is meant by the Salaf is the Sahaabah and the Taabi’een.
it is true that information of a hadith may have not reached them where later they learned it and applied it. ex. imam hanbal ra, with the issue of wiping of the socks when renewing wudu.

:wasalam:
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
:salam2:,

but if a muslim wants to take some things from one madhhab and some from other, s/he should know all the hadith, their authenticity, their abrogations, etc. to know the stronger hadith.

how can a simple muslim like me study all those? :confused: so is it not good then to follow just a single madhhab to avoid confusions?

eg. in hanafi school, we cant recite surah fatiha behind imam. we have hadith of prophet :saw2: to recite but hanafi scholars too have proof not to recite and better understanding of hadith than us.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
Besides, the authentication work has already been done for you in the six books of Hadeeth and they are online now. No more excuses ;)
:salam2:
Authentication according to which muhaddith should i follow? I prefer ibn hajar(rh) takhrij more than sh.albani(rh). Or sh.arnaut´s takhrij more than sh.albani(rh). Some goes with muhadditin from mutaqaddimin, some from mutaakkhirin. where to stop? whose one to take? arent still we blindly follow the takhrij of muhaddithin, cause we arent self muhaddithin and cant analysis the hadith chain and grade it?
The example you mention above is a good one. The prophet, peace be upon him, said, "No prayer to one who does not read from the Faatiha of the Book." This seems to suggest that reciting Al-Faatiha is mandatory in all prayers, until you read the Hadeeth, "Whoever prays behind an imaam, the imaam's recital is recital for him too." Thus we learn that reciting Al-Faatiha in non-silent Jamaa`a is not necessary.
People pray behind the imam in sirri and Jahri salah. So in both way a muqtadi doesnt need to recite. It didnt say if you hear imams recitation then you dont need to recite. Anyway, its the vew according to those scholars who dont recite behind imam in any salah. And other scholars has their opinion, and rightly so according to their ijtehad.
 

daywalker

Junior Member
The six books: Al-Bukhaari, Muslim, At-Tirmizhi, An-Nasaa'i, Abu-Daawood and Ibn-Maajah.
Akhi i asked about which muhaddith takhrij should we follow? ibn jawzi(rh) graded more than 20 hadith of ibn majah as fabricated, sh.albani(rh) also dont agree that all hadith of muslim is sahih,a lot of hadith of abu dawud is weak according to sh.albani but the number decrease by other muhaddithin and the same stories can be heard with other related book too.
Good point, but we follow the six books out of trust of as-Salaf as-Saalih whose consensus it was that the six books are the most authentic. We can, if we wanted to, do their work over! That's right. The history of all the narrators (`Ilm-ur-Rijaal) has been documented and we can study it and determine for ourselves the strength and weakness of any chain of narrators. That is what Al-Albaani did (ra). But why would we reinvent the wheel?
The history has been documented, but it doesnt mean there isnt any ikhtilaf. Ikhtilaf is present cause of the ilm ur rijal, not that any muhaddith had personal issue. Not only sh.albani at 20th century studied it. It was studied by every muhaddithin and then hadith was graded. Its about trusting a person´s Usool and Ijtehad. As a laymen when we read the takhrij of sh.albani(rh) we dont see which usool he took to say a hadith is sahih , which is graded as fabricated by ibn jawzi(rh). Both had taken different opinion about particular narrator. Thats why we find also the usool of hadith grading imam bukhari´s one was more stronger, and imam muslim(rh) was bit lenient than imam bukhari´s usool . So according to imam bukharis usool a lot of hadith may consider as weak which is sahih according to imam muslim. But we dont do this! we take both´s usool as sahih cause we trust boths usool and Ijtehad.
Another good point, but a recitation is always heard, otherwise it would be called reading.
The word Qirah has been translated as recitation, but in arabic, it doesnt mean always verbally or saying loud. It may become clear from the hadith of muslim:

'Abda reported: 'Umar b. al-Khattab used to recite loudly these words: Subhanak Allahumma wa bi hamdika wa tabarakasmuka wa ta'ala jadduka wa la ilaha ghairuka [Glory to Thee,0 Allah, and Thine is the Praise, and Blessed is Thy Name. and Exalted is Thy Majesty. and there is no other object of worship beside Thee]. Qatada informed in writing that Anas b. Malik had narrated to him: I observed prayer behind the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr and Umar and 'Uthman. They started (loud recitation) with: AI-hamdu lillahi Rabb al-'Alamin [All Praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds] and did not recite BISMILLAH ir- Rahman-ir-Rahim (loudly) at the beginning of the recitation or at the end of it.

THe hadith is referring that prophet(sw) recited, but wasnt loudly Because other couldnt hear it. But the word recite is still used.

Or from another one: 'Abda reported: 'Umar b. al-Khattab used to recite loudly these words: Subhanak Allahumma wa bi hamdika wa tabarakasmuka wa ta'ala jadduka wa la ilaha ghairuka [Glory to Thee,0 Allah, and Thine is the Praise, and Blessed is Thy Name.

If reciting means said something verbally only then in athar of sahaba(rd)wouldnt mentioned the word "loudly" extra.

or Allâh says in the Holy Qur'ân:
Thus when you recite the Qur'ân, seek the protection of Allâh from the accursed Shaitan. al Nahl 16/98.

Does it mean, when i not recite but read(according to the using of your defination) i dont need to seek the protection of Allah from shaitan?

Antoher evidence make it clear whcih doesnt mention anything about imam´s loud recitation but just ONLY imam:

Wahb bin Kaysan reports that he heard Sayyiduna Jabir bin Abdullah radiallahu anhu say, He who prays one rak'ah in which he does not recite Sûrah al Fatihah has in fact not prayed at all, unless he is behind an Imam.' (Imam Malik ) Imam Tirmidhi has quoted Imam Ahmad who commented on the above hadeeth (There is no salâh for one...) by saying 'This is if he is alone.'
There is no condition about imam, only condition for a muqtadi is that he is just behind the imam , he doesnt need to recite.

The main point of fatiha behind imam can be understood from this fatwa of hadith:

Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that Abu Hurayra used to say, "Whoever catches the ruku has caught the sajda and whoever misses the recitation of the umm al-Qur'an has missed much good."

We know that, when we come into the mosque and imam is in his first rakah´s ruku, and we join, we have got the first rakah allready and no need to stand again at the end of salah. Why i dont need to recite surah faitha of 1st rakah which i missed? Because imams recitation is my recitation, doesnt matter was i present or not! It doesnt handle was it in sirri salah or jahri! and we have just lost the benifite by not being able to join from the beginning.
 
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