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    Looking back, what seems strange to me now is not that people would wish to embody Jesus’ values, but that others would criticize them for it. What seems even stranger is that few Christians, in the modern day, match this profile. is that Muslims seemed to embody Jesus’ values better than Christians.


    1. Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.


    2. Jesus dressed modestly. If we close our eyes and form a mental picture, we see flowing robes, from wrists to ankles—much like the loose Arabian thobes and the Indio-Pakistani shalwar kameez, typical of the Muslims of those areas. What we don’t imagine is the revealing or seductive clothing so ubiquitous in Christian cultures.


    3. Jesus’ mother covered her hair, and this practice was maintained among the Christian women of the Holy Land up to the middle of the twentieth century. Again, this is a practice maintained among Muslims as well as Orthodox Jews (of which Jesus was one), but not among modern day Christians.

    Manners


    1. Jesus focused upon salvation and eschewed finery. How many “righteous” Christians fit this “It’s not just on Sundays” profile? Now how many “five prayers a day, every day of the year” Muslims?


    2. Jesus spoke with humility and kindness. He didn’t “showboat.” When we think of his speeches, we don’t imagine theatrics. He was a simple man known for quality and truth. How many preachers and how many evangelists follow this example?


    3. Jesus taught his disciples to offer the greeting of “Peace” (Luke 10:5), and then set the example: “Peace be with you” (Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:21, John 20:26). Who continues this practice to this day, Christians or Muslims? “Peace be with you” is the meaning of the Muslim greeting, “Assalam alaikum.” Interestingly enough, we find this greeting in Judaism as well (Genesis 43:23, Numbers 6:26, Judges 6:23, I Samuel 1:17 and I Samuel 25:6).

    Religious Practices


    1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul taught it wasn’t necessary (Rom 4:11 and Gal 5:2). Muslims believe it is.


    2. Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8). Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.


    3. Jesus didn’t give or take usury, in compliance with the Old Testament prohibition (Exodus 22:25). Usury is forbidden in the Old Testament and the Quran, as it was forbidden in the religion of Jesus. The economies of most Christian countries, however, are structured upon usury.


    4. Jesus didn’t fornicate, and abstained from extramarital contact with women. Now, this issue extends to the least physical contact with the opposite sex. With the exception of performing religious rituals and helping those in need, Jesus never even touched a woman other than his mother. Strictly practicing Orthodox Jews maintain this practice to this day in observance of Old Testament law. Likewise, practicing Muslims don’t even shake hands between the sexes. Can Christian “hug your neighbor” and “kiss the bride” congregations make the same claim?

    Practices of Worship


    1. Jesus purified himself with washing prior to prayer, as was the practice of the pious prophets who preceded him (see Exodus 40:31-32 in reference to Moses and Aaron), and as is the practice of Muslims.


    2. Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Joshua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron). Who prays like that, Christians or Muslims?


    3. Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:8), and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.


    4. Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).

    Matters of Creed


    1. Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.


    2. Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?




    One wonders what happened between the practices of the first generation of Jesus’ followers and the Christians of modern day. At the same time, we have to respect the fact that Muslims exemplify Jesus’ teachings more than Christians do. Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, and we would be amiss if we didn’t consider that final prophet to be Muhammad, and the final revelation to be that of Islam






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    Christmas and 25th of December

    Many Christians are unaware that the true spirit of reverence which Muslims display towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of their faith as prescribed in the Holy Quran. Most do not know that a Muslim does not take the name of Jesus , without saying Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e. (Jesus peace be upon him).



    Jesus is commonly considered to have been born on the 25th of December. However, it is common knowledge among Christian scholars that he was not born on this day. It is well known that the first Christian churches held their festival in May, April, or January. Scholars of the first two centuries AD even differ in which year he was born. Some believing that he was born fully twenty years before the current accepted date. So how was the 25th of December selected as the birthday of Jesus ?


    Grolier's encyclopedia says: "Christmas is the feast of the birth of Jesus Christ, celebrated on December 25 ... Despite the beliefs about Christ that the birth stories expressed, the church did not observe a festival for the celebration of the event until the 4th century.... since 274, under the emperor Aurelian, Rome had celebrated the feast of the "Invincible Sun" on December 25. In the Eastern Church, January 6, a day also associated with the winter solstice, was initially preferred. In course of time, however, the West added the Eastern date as the Feast of the Epiphany, and the East added the Western date of Christmas".


    So who else celebrated the 25th of December as the birth day of their gods before it was agreed upon as the birth day of Jesus ? Well, there are the people of India who rejoice, decorate their houses with garlands, and give presents to their friends on this day. The people of China also celebrate this day and close their shops. Buddha is believed to have been born on this day. The great savior and god of the Persians, Mithras, is also believed to have been born on the 25th of December long before the coming of Jesus .


    The Egyptians celebrated this day as the birth day of their great savior Horus, the Egyptian god of light and the son of the "virgin mother" and "queen of the heavens" Isis. Osiris, god of the dead and the underworld in Egypt, the son of "the holy virgin", again was believed to have been born on the 25th of December.


    The Greeks celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of Hercules, the son of the supreme god of the Greeks, Zeus, through the mortal woman Alcmene Bacchus, the god of wine and revelry among the Romans (known among the Greeks as Dionysus) was also born on this day.


    Adonis, revered as a "dying-and-rising god" among the Greeks, miraculously was also born on the 25th of December. His worshipers held him a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer. The ceremonies of his birthday are recorded to have taken place in the same cave in Bethlehem which is claimed to have been the birth place of Jesus .


    The Scandinavians celebrated the 25th of December as the birthday of their god Freyr, the son of their supreme god of the heavens, Odin.


    The Romans observed this day as the birthday of the god of the sun, Natalis Solis Invicti ("Birthday of Sol the invincible"). There was great rejoicing and all shops were closed. There was illumination and public games. Presents were exchanged, and the slaves were indulged in great liberties. These are the same Romans who would later preside over the council of Nicea (325 CE) which lead to the official Christian recognition of the "Trinity" as the "true" nature of God, and the "fact" that Jesus was born on the 25th of December too.


    In Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Gibbon says: "The Roman Christians, ignorant of his (Christ's) birth, fixed the solemn festival to the 25th of December, the Brumalia, or Winter Solstice, when the Pagans annually celebrated the birth of Sol " vol. ii, p. 383.


    Christians opposed to Christmas


    There are several Christian groups who are opposed to Christmas. For example, they take the verse from the Bible in Jeremiah 10:2-4 as an admonition against decorating Christmas trees.


    The King James Version reads: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen.... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."


    In order to understand this subject, it is helpful to trace some of the history of Christmas avoidance, particularly its roots in Puritanism.


    The Puritans believed that the first-century church modeled a Christianity that modern Christians should copy. They attempted to base their faith and practice solely on the New Testament, and their position on Christmas reflected their commitment to practice a pure, scriptural form of Christianity. Puritans argued that God reserved to himself the determination of all proper forms of worship, and that he disapproved of any human innovations - even innovations that celebrated the great events of salvation. The name Christmas also alienated many Puritans.



    Christmas, after all, meant "the mass of Christ." The mass was despised as a Roman Catholic institution that undermined the Protestant concept of Christ, who offered himself once for all. The Puritans' passionate avoidance of any practice that was associated with papal Rome caused them to overlook the fact that in many countries the name for the day had nothing to do with the Catholic mass, but focused instead on Jesus' birth. The mass did not evolve into the form abhorred by Protestants until long after Christmas was widely observed. The two customs had separate, though interconnected, histories.


    As ardent Protestants, Puritans identified the embracing of Christianity by the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 300s CE as the starting point of the degeneration and corruption of the church. They believed the corruption of the church was brought on by the interweaving of the church with the pagan Roman state. To Puritans, Christmas was impure because it entered the Roman Church sometime in this period. No one knows the exact year or under what circumstances Roman Christians began to celebrate the birth of their Lord, but by the mid-300s CE, the practice was well established.



    when Christ was born Ahmed Deedat a lecture debates youtube

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    Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as: "Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary; as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah; "Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.

    He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honor spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honors this great Messenger of God, and over the past fourteen hundred years Muslims continue to hold Jesus as a symbol of truth.


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    (156) 156 - That they rejected faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

    (157) 157 - That they said (in boast), we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:

    (158) 158 - Nay, God raised him up unto himself; and God is exalted in power, wise;

    -Christ's peace be upon him


    Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far


    The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans


    And the punishment of Judah

    # God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor

    And so

    God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end



    -Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.

    The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true


    But now is not located Gospel Jesus

    Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted


    31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) . Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."


    -Jesus peace be upon him

    Does not have enough time to tell all

    For revelation

    Due to the ongoing pursuit

    So

    Tell the disciples of the Prophet after him next


    -God raised his body and spirit


    Such as Muhammad peace be upon him on a trip alisraa and almiraag

    Christ's peace be upon him

    Will come down to earth

    Governed by Islamic law

    And kill the Antichrist and kill the pigs and break the cross


    All this is not for Muslims


    Because our religion does not require a full increase


    God says in the Holy Qur'an

    (3) This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.


    But

    Christ's peace be upon him

    Will come down to earth


    For Christians to guide them to the truth

    It Abd Allah and His Messenger

    Jesus is not God

    nor son


    Watch on YouTube

    Ahmed Deedat

    Why Jesus returns to earth- - YouTube








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    look and listen very well

    allah is one for Muslims , Jews and Christians....
    But
    Regrettably

    Christian alter the message of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him upside down

    from Uniformity to the Trinity

    Distortion of the heavenly books ( the Torah and the Gospel )

    This led to dissent and disagreement

    And create a new teachings do not relate to the true teachings

    Drinking blood , pork and drinking alcohol , adultery , lying ,...

    Example
    So look to the Prophet Muhammad , peace be upon him and his companions and all Muslims so far

    Do not say Muhammad is God or the son of God

    الرد على ادعاء تأليف القرآن من اجل ارباح مادية - ذاكر نايك Zakir Naik



    Jesus in the Quran holds one of the highest statures amongst the Prophets. Unlike other Prophets who performed miracles, Jesus himself was a miracle, as he was born of a virgin mother, and God describes him and his mother Mary as such:
    “…and We made her (Mary) and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.” (Quran 21:91)
    Nonetheless, in the Quran, Jesus is described as having many miracles not bestowed upon other prophets. God says:
    “And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)

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    The Islamic perspective is that miracles can be God-given signs of prophethood, but don’t imply divinity. So just as the miracles of Moses, Elisha, and Muhammad don’t imply divinity, neither do those of Jesus.
    Let’s look at a few examples:
    1. Jesus fed thousands with a few fish and loaves of bread. But Elisha fed a hundred people with twenty barley loaves and a few ears of corn (2 Kings 4:44);
    granted a widow such an abundant flow of oil from a jar that she was able to pay off her debts, save her sons from slavery, and live on the profits (2 Kings 4:1-7);
    and gave increase to a handful of flour and spot of oil such that he, a widow and her son had enough to eat for many days, after which “The bin of flour was not used up, nor did the jar of oil run dry …” (1 Kings 17:10-16). So what does that make Elisha?
    The historical record of Muhammad feeding the masses with a handful of dates on one occasion, a pot of milk on another, and enough meat for a small party on still another are equally miraculous. Likewise are the stories of his watering the masses (1,500 people on one occasion) from a single bowl of water. Yet no Muslim claims divinity for Muhammad.
    2. Jesus healed the lepers. Likewise, Elisha healed Naaman (2 Kings 5:7-14). For that matter, the disciples were bidden to such service in Matthew 10:8. What does that make them?
    3. Jesus cured a blind man. Elisha not only struck his enemies blind, but restored vision to the blind through prayer (2 Kings 6:17-20). Muhammad reportedly cured blindness through prayer as well.
    4. Jesus raised the dead. Once again, Elisha beat him to it, having raised two children from the dead (1 Kings 17:22 and 2 Kings 4:34). Furthermore, the disciples were bidden to raise the dead (Matthew 10:8). So once again, what does that make them?
    5. Jesus walked on water. Had he been around in the time of Moses, he wouldn’t have had to.
    6. Jesus cast out devils. So did his disciples (Matthew 10:8). So did the sons of the Pharisees (Matthew 12:27 and Luke 11:19). So, for that matter, do the wayward followers whom Jesus will reportedly disown (see Matthew 7:22)
    —a disconcerting thought considering how many priests and ministers perform such theatrics, even if real.
    So if we seek evidence of Jesus being divine, we are forced to look beyond miracles.


    While certain Biblical inspired people have developed a direct relationship with the figure of Jesus and other Biblical figures (most notably the prophet Muhammad),
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    so some one tell me;


    I agree with you, however, that Jesus Christ was send as a messenger by God, nothing else. Jesus said so himself as quoted in John 7:16: "I am not teaching you my own thoughts, but those of God who sent me."


    Much of the blame for distoring the mission of Jesus Christ belongs to the apostle Paul


    so


    Jesus Christ peace be upon him

    Not sacrificed for any one


    e.x

    You have a disease

    Then comes your brother

    Receive treatment instead of you


    Is this acceptable to the logic of the mind?


    Death to the people who worshiped the calf is repentance

    At the time of the Prophet Moses, peace be upon him


    Then

    At the time of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him


    Law requires repentance from sin without having to death


    Jesus Christ peace be upon him

    Not sacrificed for any one



    (the soul that sinneth, it shall die)



    Each person is responsible for his actions


    (the soul that sinneth, it shall die)


    احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bibl YouTube







    عيسى المسيح - انسان , اسطوره , أم إله





    Jesus Christ Man, Myth, or God


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    allah does not punish anyone without guilt

    allah says in the Quran

    285. . The Messenger (Muhammad ) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

    286. Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned. "Our Lord! Punish us not if we forget or fall into error, our Lord! Lay not on us a burden like that which You did lay on those before us (Jews and Christians); our Lord! Put not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Pardon us and grant us Forgiveness. Have mercy on us. You are our Maula (Patron, Suppor-ter and Protector, etc.) and give us victory over the disbelieving people."

    Surah Al-Baqarah
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    also

    40. (So it was) till then there came Our Command and the oven gushed forth (water like fountains from the earth). We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two (male and female), and your family, except him against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe. And none believed with him, except a few."

    41. And he [Nuh (Noah)] said: "Embark therein, in the Name of Allah will be its moving course and its resting anchorage. Surely, my Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. 12, Page 43)

    42. So it (the ship) sailed with them amidst the waves like mountains, and Nuh (Noah) called out to his son, who had separated himself (apart), "O my son! Embark with us and be not with the disbelievers."

    43. The son replied: "I will betake myself to a mountain, it will save me from the water." Nuh (Noah) said: "This day there is no saviour from the Decree of Allah except him on whom He has mercy." And a wave came in between them, so he (the son) was among the drowned.

    44. And it was said: "O earth! Swallow up your water, and O sky! Withhold (your rain)." And the water was diminished (made to subside) and the Decree (of Allah) was fulfilled (i.e. the destruction of the people of Nuh (Noah). And it (the ship) rested on Mount Judi, and it was said: "Away with the people who are Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doing)!"

    45. And Nuh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said, "O my Lord! Verily, my son is of my family! And certainly, Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges."

    46. He said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Surely, he is not of your family; verily, his work is unrighteous, so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you, lest you be one of the ignorants."

    47. Nuh (Noah) said: "O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers."

    48. It was said: "O Nuh (Noah)! Come down (from the ship) with peace from Us and blessings on you and on the people who are with you (and on some of their off spring), but (there will be other) people to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end a painful torment will reach them from Us."
    . Surah Hud
    To commit sins against allah

    Is also
    Injustice of your same

    there is Many kinds of injustice

    The loser is the one who does not rethink and return to allah repentance

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    JESUS IN HADITH
    Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

    Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 651:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "I am the nearest of all the people to the son of Mary, and all the prophets are paternal brothers, and there has been no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus)."
    Volume 4, Book 55, Number 652:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle said, "Both in this world and in the Hereafter, I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus, the son of Mary. The prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one."


    Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- 'And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e. Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them." (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol. 7)






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    Of all the Christian mysteries, none rank as highly as the concept of Christ’s crucifixion and atoning sacrifice. In fact, Christians base their salvation on this one tenet of faith. And if it really happened, shouldn’t we all?


    If it really happened, that is.


    Now, I don’t know about you, but the concept of Jesus Christ having atoned for the sins of mankind sounds pretty good to me. And shouldn’t it? I mean, if we can trust that someone else atoned for all of our sins, and we can go to heaven on that concept alone, shouldn’t we instantly close on that deal?


    If it really happened, that is.


    So let’s check this out. We’re told Jesus Christ was crucified. But then again, we’re told a lot of things that later prove to be doubtful or even untrue, so it would be reassuring if we could verify the fact.


    So let’s ask the witnesses. Let’s ask the gospel authors.


    Umm, one problem. We don’t know who the authors were. This is a less popular Christian mystery (i.e., waaay less popular) – the fact that all four gospels of the New Testament are anonymous.[1] Nobody knows who wrote them. Graham Stanton tells us, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to . . .’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”[2]


    Added in the second century? By whom? Believe it or not, that is anonymous as well.


    But let’s forget all that. After all, the four gospels are part of the Bible, so we must respect them as scripture, right?


    Right?


    Well, maybe not. After all, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[3] Add to that Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[4]


    Whoa. Hard to imagine. On one hand, we have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John telling us . . . oh, excuse me. I meant to say, we have Anonymous, Anonymous, Anonymous and Anonymous telling us . . . well, what? What do they tell us? That they can’t even agree on what Jesus wore, drank, did or said? After all, Matthew 27:28 tells us the Roman soldiers dressed Jesus with a scarlet robe. John 19:2 says it was purple. Matthew 27:34 says the Romans gave Jesus sour wine mingled with gall. Mark 15:23 says it was mixed with myrrh. Mark 15:25 tells us Jesus was crucified before the third hour, but John 19:14–15 says it was “about the sixth hour.” Luke 23:46 says Jesus’ last words were “Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit,” but John 19:30: says they were “It is finished!”


    Now, wait a minute. Jesus’ righteous followers would have hung on his every word. On the other hand, Mark 14:50 tells us that all the disciples deserted Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane. But okay, some people – not disciples, I guess, but some people (anonymous, of course) – hung on his every word, hoping for some parting words of wisdom, and they heard . . . different things?


    Believe it or not, after this point, the gospel records become even more inconsistent.


    Following the alleged resurrection, we hardly find a single issue the four gospels (Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, and John 20) agree upon. For example:


    Who went to the tomb?


    Matthew: “Mary Magdalene and the other Mary”


    Mark: “Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome”


    Luke: “The women who had come with him from Galilee” and “certain other women”


    John: “Mary Magdalene”


    Why did they go to the tomb?


    Matthew: “To see the tomb”


    Mark: They “brought spices, that they might come and anoint him”


    Luke: They “brought spices”


    John: no reason given


    Was there an earthquake (something nobody in the vicinity would be likely to either miss or forget)?


    Matthew: Yes


    Mark: no mention


    Luke: no mention


    John: no mention


    Did an angel descend? (I mean, come on, guys – an angel? Are we to believe that three of you somehow missed this part?)


    Matthew: Yes


    Mark: no mention


    Luke: no mention


    John: no mention


    Who rolled back the stone?


    Matthew: The angel (the one the other three anonymouses – now, let’s see, would that be “anonymouses” or “anonymice”? – didn’t see)


    Mark: unknown


    Luke: unknown


    John: unknown


    Who was at the tomb?


    Matthew: “an angel”


    Mark: “a young man”


    Luke: “two men”


    John: “two angels”


    Where were they?


    Matthew: The angel was sitting on the stone, outside the tomb.


    Mark: The young man was in the tomb, “sitting on the right side.”


    Luke: The two men were inside the tomb, standing beside them.


    John: The two angels were “sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.”


    By whom and where was Jesus first seen?


    Matthew: Mary Magdalene and the “other Mary,” on the road to tell the disciples.


    Mark: Mary Magdalene only, no mention where.


    Luke: Two of the disciples, en route to “a village called Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem.”


    John: Mary Magdalene, outside the tomb.


    So where does this leave us, if not wondering whose idea of scripture this is?







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    From what I know, Isa a.s. never married. It is said that he will do so after he returns to earth in the Final Days.


    Muslims don't believe Isa a.s. was "just a prophet." Yes, he was a Prophet but he was also one of the four Messengers who received the Word of God (five if you count the Saheefah of Ibrahim a.s.).


    As for Mary Magdalene, in Islam we do not believe that God Chosen Prophet could ever commit such a heinous act so as to "have an affair" with any woman, let alone a prostitute. It's considered a huge sin to even suggest these things of them as they were the best examples for mankind to follow.




    Marriage is a good thing in Islam, nearly all the prophets of Allah were married. Adam (AS), Nuh (AS), Ibrahim (AS), Loot (AS), Ismail (AS) Ishaq (AS), Yaqoob (Jacob) (AS), Yousef (AS) , Musa (AS), Dawood (AS), Soleman (AS) etc. and the last prophet Mohammad (PBUH), they were all married and had children, as a matter of fact most of them had several wives. So we Muslims have no problems if Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene IF this was true. But if this was not true and there is no proof that this was true, then we shoukln't be saying it, because then this would be like accusation. And we should be very careful in launching accusations against anyone, let alone against a prophet of God. :astag:


    And if some one suggests (accuses) that Jesus had an extra-marital relationship with Mary Magdalene then that will be a huge huge huge sin. :astag: :astag: :astag:


    I think it is in Quran that when Jesus will return He will mary and will have children. Quran also says that by the time Jesus will die there will be no Jew or Christian left on this earth. Meaning all Jews and Christians will convert to Islam by the time Jesus (PBUH) will die after his second coming, when Jesus will rule on the whole earth for nearly 40 years.




    Second, where themes like the marriage of a Prophet to someone else namely Mary Magdalene, the much spoken of migration of Jesus and his family to Egypt in his childhood and other such stories are not mentioned in the Qur'an for a reason. Allah has not deemed it as important for us to be concerned with in contrast to the message that Jesus and other Prophets actually brought and taught, namely what Our Creator wants for us, how to achieve them and the implementation of Divine guidance.
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    احمد ديدات الأختيار بين المسيحية و الإسلام - The Choice – Yo





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    The practicality of Islamic Law is one particular aspect that truly impressed me at that time, coming, again, from my Christian background. It is a great blessing that in Islam one finds detailed teachings that result in their desired goals while, at the same time, being extremely practical and consistent with human nature. The lack of such teachings is one of the greatest dilemmas faced by Christianity. For example, with respect to societal cohesion and interaction, the greatest teachings found in the New Testament are what are known as “the hard sayings” of Jesus. They are as follows:


    “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.



    And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect” (Matthew 5:38-48).


    Christian scholars themselves are perplexed. How are such obviously impossible or impractical teachings to be applied? Just one example of a discussion of these words will suffice to show how perplexing they are to those who staunchly believe in them:


    [For interpreting these words, t]he model proposed by Joachim Jeremias is simple, representative, and of continuing influence. According to this model, the Sermon usually is seen in one of three ways:


    (1) as a perfectionist code, fully in line with the legalism of rabbinic Judaism;


    (2) as an impossible ideal, meant to drive the believer first to desperation, and then to trust in God's mercy; or (3) as an ‘interim ethic’ meant for what was expected to be a brief period of waiting in the end time, and which is now obsolete. Jeremias adds his own fourth thesis: The Sermon is an indicative depiction of incipient life in the kingdom of God, which presupposes as its condition of possibility the experience of conversion. More complex or comprehensive schematizations have been offered, but most major interpreters can be understood in relation to the options posed by Jeremias.


    In Islam, there are no such dilemmas. The teachings are easy, flexible, practical and completely suited to everyday life, even for a new Muslim living in a completely non-Islamic environment, such as I was. The famed author James A. Michener also noted and appreciated this aspect of Islam. In one of the earliest writings that I had read about Islam, entitled “Islam—the Misunderstood Religion,” Michener wrote,


    The Koran is remarkably down-to-earth in its discussion of the good life. In one memorable passage it directs: ‘When ye deal with each other in transactions involving future obligations reduce them to writing… and get two witnesses…’ It is this combination of dedication to one God, plus practical instruction, that makes the Koran unique.




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    1. Bible Says that God is not Man

    The Bible says:


    Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man…”


    Hosea 11:9 “...For I am God, and not man...”


    Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible:


    John 8:40 “…a man who has told you the truth…”


    Acts 2:22 “Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.”


    Acts 17:31 “He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed”


    1. Tim. 2:5 “…the man Christ Jesus.”


    God is not a man, but Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was a man, therefore, Jesus was not God.


    2. The Bible Says that God Is Not a Son of Man


    Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man...nor a son of man…”


    The Bible often calls Jesus “a son of man” or “the son of man.”


    Matthew 12:40 “…so will the son of man be…”


    Matthew 16:27 “For the son of man is going to come…”


    Matthew 28 “…until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.”


    Mark 2:10 “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority…”


    John 5:27 “…because He is the son of man.”


    In the Hebrew Scriptures, the “son of man” is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 2:8; 3:1; 3:3; 3:4; 3:10; 3:17; 3:25).


    Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called “the son of man”, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called “son of man” specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a “son of man” according to the Bible.
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    . The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God


    Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”


    Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”


    Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.


    4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus


    John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”


    John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”


    Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.


    5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only


    Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.”


    John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.”


    John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”


    If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.












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    6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God


    Jesus prayed to God with the words:


    John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”


    Jesus prayed to God all night:


    Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.”


    …because:


    Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.


    How did Jesus pray to God?


    Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…”


    Even Paul said:


    Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”


    Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?


    The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:


    “Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51






    As the prophet Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14 says, 'Therefore the Lord Himself shall give

    you a sign: Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name

    Immanuel- which Matthew defines as: Immanuel is God with us.

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    Son of God, son of David, or son of Man? Jesus is identified as “son of David” fourteen times in the New Testament, starting with the very first verse (Matthew 1:1). The Gospel of Luke documents forty-one generations between Jesus and David, while Matthew lists twenty-six. Jesus, a distant descendant, can only wear the “son of David” title metaphorically. But how then should we understand the title, “son of God?”


    The “Trilemma,” a common proposal of Christian missionaries, states that “Jesus was either a lunatic, a liar, or the Son of God, as he claimed to be.” For the sake of argument, let’s agree that Jesus was neither a lunatic nor a liar. Let’s also agree he was precisely what he claimed to be. But what, exactly, was that? Jesus called himself “Son of Man” frequently, consistently, perhaps even emphatically, but where did he call himself “Son of God?”


    Let’s back up. What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks.


    With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery. Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran:


    “…How can He have a son when He has no consort?...” (Quran 6:101)


    …while others shout, “But God can do anything!” The Islamic position, however, is that God doesn’t do inappropriate things, only Godly things. In the Islamic viewpoint, God’s character is integral with His being and consistent with His majesty.


    So again, what does “Son of God” mean? And if Jesus Christ has exclusive rights to the term, why does the Bible record, “...for I (God) am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (i.e. Israel) is my firstborn” (Jeremiah 31:9) and, “...Israel is My son, even my firstborn” (Exodus 4:22)? Taken in the context of Romans 8:14, which reads, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God,” many scholars conclude that “Son of God” is metaphorical and, as with christos, doesn’t imply exclusivity. After all, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. To quote, “Son of God, term occasionally found in Jewish literature, biblical and post-biblical, but nowhere implying physical descent from the Godhead.”[1] Hasting’s Bible Dictionary comments:


    In Semitic usage “sonship” is a conception somewhat loosely employed to denote moral rather than physical or metaphysical relationship. Thus “sons of Belial” (Jg 19:22 etc.) are wicked men, not descendants of Belial; and in the NT the “children of the bridechamber” are wedding guests. So a “son of God” is a man, or even a people, who reflect the character of God. There is little evidence that the title was used in Jewish circles of the Messiah, and a sonship which implied more than a moral relationship would be contrary to Jewish monotheism.[2]


    And in any case, the list of candidates for “son of God” begins with Adam, as per Luke 3:38: “...Adam, which was the son of God.”


    Those who rebut by quoting Matthew 3:17 (“And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved son, in whom I am well pleased’”) have overlooked the point that the Bible describes many people, Israel and Adam included, as “sons of God.” Both II Samuel 7:13-14 and I Chronicles 22:10 read, “He (Solomon) shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.”


    Entire nations are referred to as sons, or children of God. Examples include:


    Genesis 6:2, “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men…”


    Genesis 6:4, “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men…”


    Deuteronomy 14:1, “Ye are the children of the Lord your God.”


    Job 1:6, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD…”


    Job 2:1, “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD…”


    Job 38:7, “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”


    Philippians 2:15, “that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation…”


    1 John 3:1-2, “Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! … Beloved, now we are children of God…”


    In Matthew 5:9 Jesus says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” Later in Matthew 5:45, Jesus prescribed to his followers the attainment of noble attributes, “that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” Not exclusively his Father, but their Father …

    Is Jesus (PBUH) a God or son of God ? Dr Zakir Naik














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