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    The man was a teacher. He taught the Law of Moses. He was impressed to see Jesus answering the questions of hypocrites and heretics with wisdom:


    “One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, ‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’”

    He felt it was his opportunity to ask Jesus, the Great Teacher, what was the most important commandment, how he can be saved, enter life and the Kingdom of God.


    Now, we need to shed all our biases, everything we have been taught in Sunday schools, and all the teachings of mortal men. All who love Jesus should let him talk:


    “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’”


    A great answer to a great question: accept the Lord our God is One, love Him, and worship Him to the best of your ability.

    Jesus was not finished. He had more to teach. Obviously Jesus was teaching the man everything he needed to get into the Kingdom of God. Jesus added:


    “…The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    The Great Teacher further clarified:

    “There is no commandment greater than these.”

    The man who questioned Jesus repeated the commandments to make sure he got them right:


    Mark 12:32 “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him…’”

    Jesus seeing the man had learned the greatest commandment correctly gave him the good news:


    Mark 12:34 “When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’”



    There are some significant lessons in this story:



    First, Jesus taught the man more than he asked, yet he did not say he is the son of God, or the Savior sent to redeem mankind of its sins. He did not say anything remotely similar to what people are instructed to repeat to be ‘born again’ in Christ, “You should individually receive me, accept me as the Son of God, your personal Lord and Savior who will die on the cross for your sins and will rise from the dead. Let the Holy Spirit fill you…”






    Take what Jesus said and leave what people have added.


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    الإسلام والديمقراطية للداعية عبد الرحيم جرين - مترجم - YouTube







    "Ask the Sheikh" by Musa cerantonio ( Happiness In Islam ) ...



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    Second, salvation depends on this commandment. Jesus made it clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus:

    Mark 10:17-18 “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.”



    Third, Jesus confirmed there is no commandment greater than these. In case, someone might think the greatest commandment changed afterwards, Jesus told us:

    Matthew 5:17-19 “For assuredly, I say to you, till the heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no mean pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”



    Fourth, anyone who loves Jesus and wants to enter life must keep the greatest commandment of Jesus as he said:

    John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commandments.”

    Matthew 19:17 “If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”



    Fifth, a sincere Christian should accept what Jesus said without twisting his words or finding hidden meaning in them. Jesus taught exactly what Moses taught some 2,000 years before him:

    Deuteronomy 6:4-5 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.”



    Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, taught the same eternal truth ALL the prophets of God taught to their people: God is One, worship Him alone.


    Deuteronomy 6:13 “Fear the Lord your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name.”


    Deuteronomy 5:7 “You shall have no other God besides Me.”

    Isaiah 43:11 “I even, I am your Lord and besides Me, there is no Savior.”


    Hosea 13:4 “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no savior except me.”


    Psalms 95:6-7 “O come, let us bow down and worship, let us kneel before the Lord, our Maker. For we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His voice and He is our God.”



    Jesus emphasized this teaching to Satan as well:

    Matthew 4:10 “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”

    Dr Zakir Naik - Is Jesus God? The Right Perspective of Religion - YouTube





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    The man was a teacher. He taught the Law of Moses. He was impressed to see Jesus answering the questions of hypocrites and heretics with wisdom:


    “One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, ‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’”

    He felt it was his opportunity to ask Jesus, the Great Teacher, what was the most important commandment, how he can be saved, enter life and the Kingdom of God.


    Now, we need to shed all our biases, everything we have been taught in Sunday schools, and all the teachings of mortal men. All who love Jesus should let him talk:


    “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’”


    A great answer to a great question: accept the Lord our God is One, love Him, and worship Him to the best of your ability.

    Jesus was not finished. He had more to teach. Obviously Jesus was teaching the man everything he needed to get into the Kingdom of God. Jesus added:


    “…The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

    The Great Teacher further clarified:

    “There is no commandment greater than these.”

    The man who questioned Jesus repeated the commandments to make sure he got them right:


    Mark 12:32 “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him…’”

    Jesus seeing the man had learned the greatest commandment correctly gave him the good news:


    Mark 12:34 “When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’”



    There are some significant lessons in this story:



    First, Jesus taught the man more than he asked, yet he did not say he is the son of God, or the Savior sent to redeem mankind of its sins. He did not say anything remotely similar to what people are instructed to repeat to be ‘born again’ in Christ, “You should individually receive me, accept me as the Son of God, your personal Lord and Savior who will die on the cross for your sins and will rise from the dead. Let the Holy Spirit fill you…”






    Take what Jesus said and leave what people have added.


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    Second, salvation depends on this commandment. Jesus made it clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus:

    Mark 10:17-18 “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.”



    Third, Jesus confirmed there is no commandment greater than these. In case, someone might think the greatest commandment changed afterwards, Jesus told us:

    Matthew 5:17-19 “For assuredly, I say to you, till the heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no mean pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”



    Fourth, anyone who loves Jesus and wants to enter life must keep the greatest commandment of Jesus as he said:

    John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commandments.”

    Matthew 19:17 “If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”



    Fifth, a sincere Christian should accept what Jesus said without twisting his words or finding hidden meaning in them. Jesus taught exactly what Moses taught some 2,000 years before him:

    Deuteronomy 6:4-5 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.”



    Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, taught the same eternal truth ALL the prophets of God taught to their people: God is One, worship Him alone.


    Deuteronomy 6:13 “Fear the Lord your God, serve Him only and take your oaths in His name.”


    Deuteronomy 5:7 “You shall have no other God besides Me.”

    Isaiah 43:11 “I even, I am your Lord and besides Me, there is no Savior.”


    Hosea 13:4 “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no savior except me.”


    Psalms 95:6-7 “O come, let us bow down and worship, let us kneel before the Lord, our Maker. For we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His voice and He is our God.”



    Jesus emphasized this teaching to Satan as well:

    Matthew 4:10 “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.”


    حاخام يهودي: الإسلام هو ديانة آدم ونوح.YouTube


    حاخام يهودي يفجرها نعم أعترف بنبوة النبي الأكرم محمد صلي الله عليه وسلم و الإسلام دين المستقبل
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    also Christian

    Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    see here the true meaning
    الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
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    الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube


    --Paul
    he Is the founder of Christianity
    Have nothing to do with the true gospel

    احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
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    لماذا نعبد الله ونمجده وهو لا يحتاج لذلك؟ د ذاكر نايك Dr Zakir Naik



    Ask the Sheikh" by Musa cerantonio ( Not Being Isolating ...

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    Allah says in the Quran what means


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    {Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.} (Al-Israa' 17:1)



    There is no doubt that Al-Isra (the night journey) followed by Al-Miraj (the heavenly ascension) was one of the miracles in the life of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). According to the most accepted view, it happened on the 27th of Rajab, the seventh month of the Hijri calendar, in the tenth year of Muhammad's prophethood.


    It is reported in Hadith literature, that the Messenger of Allah was carried from the Sacred Mosque in Makkah to the "Farthest Mosque" (Al-Masjid al-Aqsa) in Jerusalem on a creature called Al-Buraq in the company of the archangel Gabriel (peace be upon him). There he led a congregational prayer of the prophets of God.



    Then Gabriel took him to the heavens where he met the prophets Adam, John, Jesus, Idris, Aaron and Moses (peace be on them all). In the seventh heaven, he met Abraham (peace be on him).


    He was then brought to the Divine Presence. The details of this encounter are beautifully detailed in the beginning of surat An-Najm (52).



    Prayer: God-given Gift



    During this time, Allah ordered for his nation fifty daily Prayers. But on the Prophet's return, he was told by Prophet Moses (peace be on him) that his followers could not perform fifty Prayers. Thus, he went back and eventually it was reduced to five daily Prayers. After this, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) returned to Makkah on the same night itself.



    Therefore, Muslims should be thankful to Allah for this gift. They should take care of it and never neglect it. It is the thing that allows the Muslim to communicate with the creator five times as day.


    Time and Space Are Not Bound for Allah



    One major lesson of that miraculous event, was that space and time which are bound by laws of nature for humans, are not so bound for Allah. On that night prophet Muhammad bridged time and space and this world, traveling to the heavens by Allah's will.


    I believe that for those who study philosophy the abstract as well as the symbolic implications of the event might be very stimulating indeed. The gap between the reality of this life and that of the life to come simply diminished. This is illustrated by the Prophet's encounter with other prophets who were long since dead as far as we normally think of it but who, in reality, live as beings in a different form somewhere else.


    The implications of the night journey cannot be overstated. The miraculous nature of the Prophet's journey established his divine-stated legitimacy as the seal of all prophets. Allah brought him to Him to show us his true worth in the sight of Allah.


    All religious traditions share the concept of miracles, that is, something that defies logic, nature, or the established constitution and course of things.



    We will limit our discussion to legitimate miracles from Allah, which are by definition the only true miracles. When the forces of disbelief are strong, typically the prophetic miracles that oppose them are stronger.


    Prophet Moses was given several miracles, which included his staff that turned into a massive snake and culminated in his parting of the Red Sea, as a divine response to the extreme infidelity of Pharaoh.


    Similarly, Prophet Jesus was given even the power to raise the dead, in order to establish his legitimacy before the Jews who would ultimately condemn him to death for blasphemy. Nevertheless, his miracles were undeniable by their nature, and it was only the obstinacy and arrogance of the people to whom he was sent that enabled them to deny him.


    Muhammad's night journey was obviously not easy for the pagan Makkans to believe. Nevertheless, the Prophet proved it logically by describing the approaching caravans that he overtook on his miraculous return.



    Thus, this particular prophetic miracle not only established the Prophet's eminence for Muslims as discussed above, but it also helped to prove his prophethood to the non-believers of his time.


    After all these matters took place with the Prophet, he returned to the city of Makkah. Some scholars said the Prophet's journey took about one-third of the night, i.e., his journey from Makkah to Jerusalem, then to the heavens and what is above them, and then back to Makkah The next day the Prophet told the people what happened to him the previous night. The blasphemers belied the Prophet and mocked him, saying, "We need a month to get there and back, and you are claiming to have done all this in one night?"



    They said to Abu Bakr, "Look at what your companion is saying. He says he went to Jerusalem and came back in one night." Abu Bakr told them, "If he said that, then he is truthful. I believe him concerning the news of the heavens--that an angel descends to him from the heavens. How could I not believe he went to Jerusalem and came back in a short period of time--when these are on earth?" At that, the Companion, Abu Bakr, was called "as-Siddiq"--because of how strongly he believed all what the Prophet said.



    The blasphemous people questioned the Prophet: "If you are truthful, then describe to us Masjid al-Aqsa and its surroundings." They asked this because they knew Prophet Muhammad had never been there before the previous night. Allah enabled the Messenger to see Masjid al-Aqsa, and he described the masjid and its surroundings in exact detail. Moreover, the Prophet said, "On my way back, I saw some of your shepherds grazing their animals in a particular location. They were searching for a camel they had lost." The Prophet continued by giving the description of the camel. When these shepherds came back, they told their people what happened to them--precisely as the Prophet had already told them.



    These blasphemers admitted the Prophet's description was exact. Despite that, They did accept Islam. Only those whom Allah willed to be guided, will be guided.





    ISRA MI'RAJ






    Isra and Miraj (Night Journey) - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf


    يابانية تسأل كيف انتقل محمد من مكة الى القدس باليلة انها كذبة واضحه - اجابة ذاكر نايك

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    1- On Prophet Muhammad's journey from Masjid al-Haram to Masjid al-Aqsa, Allah enabled him to see some of His wondrous creations. Allah enabled the Prophet to see the world (dunya) like an old woman. However, this old woman was wearing a great deal of jewelry, and in this there is an indication signifying the reality of the world.


    2- Allah enabled the Prophet to see Iblis. The Prophet saw something on the side of the road which did not dare to stand in his way or speak to him. What the Prophet saw was Iblis. Originally, Iblis was a believer and lived with the angels in Paradise. When Allah ordered the angels to prostrate (sujud) to Prophet Adam, Iblis was ordered to prostrate to him as well. The angels prostrated to Adam in obedience to Allah, because angels do not disobey Allah. However, Iblis did not obey, and he objected to the order of Allah. He said, "You created me out of fire, and You created him out of clay. How do You order me to prostrate to him?" So this objection by Iblis to the order of Allah was the first blasphemy he committed.

    3- On his journey, the Prophet smelled a very nice odor. He asked Jibril about this pleasant scent and Jibril informed him this good smell was coming from the grave of the woman whose duty used to be to comb Pharaoh's daughter's hair. This woman was a good, pious believer. One day, as she was combing Pharaoh's daughter's hair, the comb fell from her hand. At this she said, ""Bismillah. "Pharaoh's daughter asked her, "Do you have a god other than my father?" The woman said, "Yes. My Lord and the Lord of your father is Allah." Pharaoh's daughter told her father what had happened. Pharaoh demanded this woman blaspheme and leave Islam, but she refused. At that, Pharaoh threatened to kill her children. He brought a great pot of water and built a great fire under it. When the water boiled, Pharaoh brought her children and started to drop them into that pot one after the other. Throughout all this, the woman remained steadfast to Islam,

    even when Pharaoh reached her youngest child--a little boy still breast feeding--but she felt pity for him. At that, Allah enabled this child to speak. He said to his mother, "O Mother, be patient. The torture of the Hereafter is far more severe than the torture of this life, and do not be reluctant, because you are right." At this the woman requested Pharaoh collect her bones and the bones of her children and bury them in the same grave. Pharaoh promised her that--then dropped her into that boiling water. She died as a martyr. The good odor the Prophet smelled coming from her grave is an indication of her high status.


    4- During his trip, the Prophet saw people who were planting and reaping in two days. Jibril told the Prophet, "These were the people who fight for the sake of Allah (mujahidun). ")."

    5- The Prophet also saw people whose lips and tongues were clipped with scissors made of fire. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the speakers of sedition (fitna) who call people to misguidance."

    6- He also saw a bull which exited a very small outlet, then was trying in vain to return through that small outlet. Jibril told the Prophet, "This is the example of the bad word--once spoken, it cannot be returned."

    7- The Prophet saw people grazing like animals, with very little clothing on their private parts. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the ones who refused to pay zakat. "."

    8- The Prophet saw angels smashing some people's heads with rocks. These heads would return to the shape they had been, and then the angels would smash their heads again--and so on. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are the ones whose heads felt too heavy to perform prayer--the ones who used to sleep without praying."

    9- On his journey the Prophet saw people who were competing to eat some rotten meat--ignoring meat that was sliced and unspoiled. Jibril told the Prophet, "These are people from your nation who leave out that which is permissible (halal), and consume that which is forbidden ((haram). "This reference was to the fornicators, that is, the ones who left out the permissible (marriage) and committed sins (fornication).

    10- Also, the Prophet saw people who were drinking from the fluid coming from the bodies of the fornicators, (water mixed with blood). Jibril indicated to the Prophet these were the ones who were drinking the alcohol which is prohibited in this world.

    11- The Prophet saw people scratching their faces and chests with brass finger nails. Jibril said, "These are the examples of those who commit gossip ((ghibah). ")."

    حوار شيق مع مسيحية؟ كيف ولد محمدﷺ..وتفاجئ د.ذاكر نايك؟






    لقرآن يحرض على العداوة مع اليهود كيف يكون كتاب سلام !؟ والجواب خطير جدا من د.ذاكر نايك

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    Al-Isra and Al-Miraj

    Scenes from Paradise And fire()

    هذه الرحلة بواسطة الروح والجسد معا

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    This trip by soul and body together





    3


    from Mecca to Al-Aqsa=alisraa




    That journey was it from earth to heaven=almiraj


    Proof of the sincerity of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him


    Certificate in the Quraish infidels


    Shut up the mouths of all the skeptics

    \\\


    In the name of Allah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful, Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon you. The Al-Aqsa Mosque has existed since ancient times before


    there was a thing called the Children of Israel. The mosque is the entire arena. It was known as the Holy House and the Holy Qur'an is the first to call it the Al-Aqsa


    Mosque. Israel, like David and Solomon, used to pray in it, and again the mosque is meant to be the whole arena, not the building that is now called the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The dome was built by the Umayyads on a rock
    Musa Cerantonio speaking in SLRC Annual Meet Part 1 - ...




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    qibla change in islam



    There are more than 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and each time they pray, they turn their faces in one direction, towards Mecca. The Islamic term for this direction is qibla. When a Muslim prepares to pray, no matter where he is, he turns towards the qibla, the direction of the Kaba. The Kaba is a small cube shaped building in the courtyard of the mosque known as Masjid Al Haram, in the city of Mecca, in the country of Saudi Arabia.


    “For every nation there is a direction to which they face (in their prayers). So hasten towards all that is good. Wheresoever you may be, God will bring you together (on the Day of Resurrection). Truly, God is Able to do all things. And from wheresoever you start forth (for prayers), turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Mecca), that is indeed the truth from your Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.” (Quran 2:148-149)


    Muslims do not worship the Kaba, or its contents, it is simply a focal point. Muslims worship One God, the Most Merciful, and the Most Wise. God decreed that when Muslims pray they all face one direction. It is a sign of unity that encapsulates the unity embedded in the religion of Islam.


    The Arabic word for prayer is salah and it demotes a connection between the believer and God; when all believers face the same direction it adds an extra dimension to the connection. The prayer connects the believers to God and the qibla connects the believers to one another. It has been said that if one could observe all the Muslims at prayer we would be able to see lines of worshippers bowing and prostrating like the petals of a flower opening and closing in unison.


    The qibla was not always oriented towards Mecca. The first Muslims prayed towards the al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. Around sixteen months after Prophet Muhammad and his followers migrated from Mecca to the city of Medina, the qibla was changed to the Kaba. According to accounts by Prophet Muhammad's companions, the change happened very suddenly. During the noon prayer, Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, received a revelation from God instructing him to, "Turn your face towards the Masjid al Haram".


    “Thus, we have made you real believers in Islamic Monotheism, true followers of Prophet Muhammad and his legal ways, a just nation, witnesses over mankind and the Messenger a witness over you. And We made the Qibla (prayer direction towards Jerusalem) which you used to face, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (i.e. disobey the Messenger). Indeed, it was great (heavy) except for those whom God guided. And God would never make your prayers to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered towards Jerusalem). Truly, God is full of kindness, the Most Merciful towards humankind.”


    “Verily! We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qibla (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid- al-Haram (at Mecca). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction...” (Quran 2:143-144)


    Changing the direction of prayer establishes Mecca as the fixed central point for worship. It establishes a common sense or purpose.


    Throughout the centuries, mathematicians and astronomers have established correct ways to determine the qibla (direction) from any point on the earth’s surface. There are two precise moments each year when the sun is directly above the Kaba, thus the direction of shadows in any sunlit place will point away from the qibla. There are also two moments per year when the sun is directly over the exact opposite position of the Kaba, thus pointing towards the qibla.


    It is important the Muslims make every effort to face the right direction when praying; however, slight deviations do not invalidate a person’s prayer. Prophet Muhammad said, “What is between the east and the west is qibla”.[1] Nowadays it is easy to locate the qibla. It is a simple matter to look at a map and draw a line between your location and the city of Mecca. Compasses and computer programs that locate the qibla are readily available and most mosques throughout the world have a niche in the wall to indicate the qibla.


    Islam is a religion of unity. Muslims are united by their belief in One God. They are one brotherhood united in the language and ritual of prayer and united by the direction of their worship. The qibla is not only about degrees of latitude or longitude it is about unity. It is about humankind united in the worship of the One God, Creator, and Sustainer of the universe.


    Change Of Qibla From Jerusalem To Kaaba By Nouman Ali





    Concept of Aqeeda e Risalat in the light of Incident of Change of Qibla by Tahir ul Qadri


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    Not everything you said about Jesus is per Bible.

    For example

    1. Matthew 15:11, Mark 7:15-16(about food)

    2. Luke 7:37 (a woman kissing Jesus. But not just a woman, a sinful woman). Luke 13:13 (Jesus touching a woman)

    3. Jesus being a man. Sure he was a man. But why did he say he was one with the father (John 10:30)?What was the people's reaction when he said this? They were about to stone him saying (John 10:33) "You are just a man, and here you are claiming to be God!". Sure nations were called "sons" but nowhere in the Bible a claim was made to be God. Watch how Jesus prays (John 17:5), he says "Now, Father, give me back the glory that I had with you before the world was created." How can he be with the Father before the world was created?
    4. Jesus lost his temper in the temple. He overthrew tables. It was dramatic.

    But now, I have a question to any religion. What would God or Allah do to someone who is neither Christian nor a Muslim but a person who happens to do good to the society, is kind, does not cheat, or stands for justice? Will God punish him for being good to others but not believing in Him? His only fault was he prayed to a different god (provided he has not heard of Christianity or Islam) . What would God do?

    Surely such people exists or had existed in this world. For example in the great forests of the earth.
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    Evidence that the Gospel interpolated.....




    the first question they asked furnished to their opponents for the verses that hit distortion , and distorted what they were before ? What are the names who have distortions ? At any time they have done ? What is their purpose of disposal of this ? The answer to this is not only those who have the original version , which is written the Bible , which I wrote between 60 and 120 m , and does not have one of these copies are not Christians or Muslims or anyone else , how will the interview if the copying distorted and originals , and how will you know the verses that misrepresented and what is placed before the distortion , as well as to know of the distortions and purpose of it.


    If it is said that the absence of the parent denies misrepresentation ? We say: It's not as you said , because the distortion is to change reality in the Gospels both occurred because of an increase or decrease or switch some words with some other , whatever the reason for this change in bad faith , or good intention , or omissions and negligence , and we pretend to be interpolating in this sense, the fact that in the Gospels in the hands of Christians today , regardless of who has done and purpose of it and regardless of the existence of the originals or disappearance .


    This is for the distortion of the point of Metn or text , while on the bond , there is no support up between the Gospels now in place and the owners who wrote themselves , note that the oldest copy of any of these Bibles are in the third century the year 225 AD that is, between the authors and the time found more than centuries of ! ! How can a book documenting this case ? ! !


    The words of the Christians : The Bible has spread in the era of the students , and did not deny one of them , cause harm outside the position of the conflict , because the search is not as it was when the disciples of the Gospel , but research in the proportion of this document in the hands of Christians today as when pupils and corroboration related to them .


    Then they asked another question , they said, how could Mahrvon to do with the distortions that there had been since the second century AD, thousands of copies of the Bible in different countries and in multiple languages , which can not make him twist in all of them . The answer to this: if we accept that we have not been distorted in the second century before , what about the first century ? Do you have proof that there were no distortions . This copies in their hands did not reach them until after the second century . What about that period that stretched from the lifting of Christ to the end of the second century , and parted where Christians make a difference and multiple doctrines , was where the Christians are united on one Bible ? These questions must be answered before the Christians to direct their questions to others.


    He also said that these claims of the distortion of the gospel it is noteworthy that the way in which resorted to the afore-mentioned persons to hide the alleged misrepresentation , he could not even detected only objectors , after hundreds of years to happen ! The answer to that is that the answer is not required from the foregoing that the originals that can meet her with copies in the hands of Christians today do not exist , and the Christians themselves do not know the scribes who wrote the gospels on the face of the pieces , ask us how we know that the handicraft ? They are distributed between the scribe and translators and Mgredan , says , " Will Durant " in " The Story of Civilization " : " returns the oldest copies of our four Gospels to the third century . Either originals seem to have been written between 60 120 m , and then came after written over two centuries time for errors in the transport , and perhaps also to have been intentional misrepresentation intended to reconcile with the community to which he belongs duplicator or purposes . "


    Moreover, as we have said is a misrepresentation change this exists , exemplified by differences in the rates of Christ - peace be upon him - an angel "when" Christ's lineage to Joseph , son of Jacob and to make it at the end of the descendants of Solomon the son of David . The Gospel of " Luke " The proportion of the Yusuf Bin Hali , and make it at the end of the descendants of Nathan, son of David, peace be upon him , and that differences in the number of parents of Christ , recalled the gospel of "when" they Twenty-seven father , while the Gospel of " Luke " them forty-two father , in addition to other detailed differences found in the theme of " the Gospels are not the word of God ."





    لماذا الجنة محرمة على اليهود والنصارى؟ ترجمة حصرية - احمد ديدات 2016





    جديد - تخيل انك ممرضة لحظة ولادة يسوع المسيح! - احمد ديدات Ahmed Deedat




    : Good question



    - Hell

    In the teachings of the Islamic religion

    1 - includes the punishment the infidels and the polytheists, Jews, Christians and Hindus 00,000

    Yet as a result of Removed from the oneness of God and its involvement



    allah says in the Holy Qur'an

    in the Holy Qur'an the name of God the Merciful ((72) They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

    (73) They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

    (74) So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

    (75) . The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

    (76) Say, "Do you worship besides Allah that which holds for you no [power of] harm or benefit while it is Allah who is the Hearing, the Knowing?


    (48) Indeed, All h does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with All h has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.


    (31) Inclining [only] to Allah , not associating [anything] with Him. And he who associates with Allah - it is as though he had fallen from the sky and was snatched by the birds or the wind carried him down into a remote place.


    6. And for those who disbelieve in their Lord (Allah) is the torment of Hell, and worst indeed is that destination.

    7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath as it blazes forth.

    8. It almost bursts up with fury. Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you?"

    9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.'"

    10. And they will say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we would not have been among the dwellers of the blazing Fire!"

    11. Then they will confess their sin. So, away with the dwellers of the blazing Fire.

    12. Verily! Those who fear their Lord unseen (i.e. they do not see Him, nor His Punishment in the Hereafter, etc.), theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise).





    2 - punishment includes Muslim hypocrites

    This means that it is not a real Muslim

    But pretending to do so

    and fought Islam in secret

    And the punishment of a Muslim hypocrite

    More than the infidel

    God says in the Holy Qur'an

    (142) Indeed, the hypocrites [think to] deceive All h, but He is deceiving them. And when they stand for prayer, they stand lazily, showing [themselves to] the people and not remembering All h except a little,

    (143) Wavering between them, [belonging] neither to the believers nor to the disbelievers. And whoever All h leaves astray – never will you find for him a way.

    (145) Indeed, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire – and never will you find for them a helper –




    3 - punishment for a sinner Muslim who commits sins such as murder - adultery – Gambling -usury ----

    «Sahih Al-Bukhari Narrated by Abu Huraira


    The Prophet said, "Avoid the seven Great Destructive Sins." The people enquire, "O Allah`s Messenger (saws)! What are they? " He (saws) said:


    "To join others in worship along with Allah,

    to practice sorcery,

    to kill the life which Allah has for bidden except for a just cause, (according to Islamic law),

    to eat up riba (usury),

    to eat up an orphan`s wealth,

    to give back to the enemy and fleeing from the battlefield at the time of fighting,

    and to accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching chastity and are good believers»





    4 - a Muslim who has good works and acts of bad in this world

    God says in the Holy Qur'an

    (102) And [there are] others who have acknowledged their sins. They had mixed a righteous deed with another that was bad. Perhaps Allah will turn to them in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.




    5-

    The solution here to all


    Sincere repentance of the adulterer and the determination not to go back again and will accept the repentance of God

    And speed to good deeds

    You can repent to allah

    And thus will not be subjected to punishment



    allah says in the Holy Qur'an

    (135) And those who, when they commit an immorality or wrong themselves [by transgression], remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins – and who can forgive sins except Allah? – and [who] do not persist in what they have done while they know.

    (136) Those – their reward is forgiveness from their Lord and gardens beneath which rivers flow [in Paradise], wherein they will abide eternally; and excellent is the reward of the [righteous] workers.

    (68) And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty

    (69) Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated

    (70) Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful

    (71) And he who repents and does righteousness does indeed turn to Allah with [accepted] repentance

    (72) And [they are] those who do not testify to falsehood, and when they pass near ill speech, they pass by with dignity

    (73) And those who, when reminded of the verses of their Lord, do not fall upon them deaf and blind

    (74)

    (75) Those will be awarded the Chamber for what they patiently endured, and they will be received therein with greetings and [words of] peace

    (76) Abiding eternally therein. Good is the settlement and residence


    (104) Do they not know that it is Allah who accepts repentance from His servants and receives charities and that it is Allah who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful?
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    Inspite of all inconsistencies Christians all over the world believed and still believe the same thing.
    That Jesus died for all.
    We are united in this faith. Nothing else matters.

    If one says a book is inconsistent or is untrustworthy, it can't be referenced. Thus it's kept away. To quote anything (either for proving or for disapproving) at all from it is nonsensical.

    Now it is God who help create different languages. Why? To cause confusion? Or to unite?
    No dialogue between people of varied faiths can take place if you outright deny that one's sacred text is invalid. If so this sub forum must be discarded.
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    -Christ's peace be upon him


    Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far


    The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans


    And the punishment of Judah

    # God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor

    And so

    God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end



    -Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.

    The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true


    But now is not located Gospel Jesus

    Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted


    31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) . Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."


    -Jesus peace be upon him

    Does not have enough time to tell all

    For revelation

    Due to the ongoing pursuit

    So

    Tell the disciples of the Prophet after him next


    -God raised his body and spirit


    Such as Muhammad peace be upon him on a trip alisraa and almiraag

    Christ's peace be upon him

    Will come down to earth

    Governed by Islamic law

    And kill the Antichrist and kill the pigs and break the cross


    All this is not for Muslims


    Because our religion does not require a full increase


    God says in the Holy Qur'an

    (3) This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.


    But

    Christ's peace be upon him

    Will come down to earth


    For Christians to guide them to the truth

    It Abd Allah and His Messenger

    Jesus is not God

    nor son


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    Why Jesus returns to earth- - YouTube











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    so some one tell me;


    I agree with you, however, that Jesus Christ was send as a messenger by God, nothing else. Jesus said so himself as quoted in John 7:16: "I am not teaching you my own thoughts, but those of God who sent me."


    Much of the blame for distoring the mission of Jesus Christ belongs to the apostle Paul


    so


    Jesus Christ peace be upon him

    Not sacrificed for any one


    e.x

    You have a disease

    Then comes your brother

    Receive treatment instead of you


    Is this acceptable to the logic of the mind?


    Death to the people who worshiped the calf is repentance

    At the time of the Prophet Moses, peace be upon him


    Then

    At the time of the Prophet Jesus, peace be upon him


    Law requires repentance from sin without having to death


    Jesus Christ peace be upon him

    Not sacrificed for any one



    (the soul that sinneth, it shall die)



    Each person is responsible for his actions


    (the soul that sinneth, it shall die)


    احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bibl YouTube







    عيسى المسيح - انسان , اسطوره , أم إله


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvQNv1RldE


    Jesus Christ Man, Myth, or God


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkPITDi6YEo

    allah is one for Muslims , Jews and Christians
    But
    Regrettably
    Christian alter the message of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him upside down

    from Uniformity to the Trinity



    Distortion of the heavenly books ( the Torah and the Gospel )

    This led to dissent and disagreement

    And create a new teachings do not relate to the true teachings

    Drinking blood , pork and drinking alcohol , adultery , lying ,
    Example
    So look to the Prophet Muhammad , peace be upon him and his companions and all Muslims so far
    Do not say Muhammad is God or the son of God


    Jesus in the Quran holds one of the highest statures amongst the Prophets. Unlike other Prophets who performed miracles, Jesus himself was a miracle, as he was born of a virgin mother, and God describes him and his mother Mary as such:
    “…and We made her (Mary) and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.” (Quran 21:91)
    Nonetheless, in the Quran, Jesus is described as having many miracles not bestowed upon other prophets. God says:
    “And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)
    a brief description of the miracles performed by Jesus mentioned in the Quran.
    God sent the angel Gabriel* to teach Muhammad* the exact words that he should repeat to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These are written down in the Qur’an, word for word exactly as they came from God.
    Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for, according to the Bible, God says: “I will punish anyone who refuses to obey him” (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19

    There are some similarities between the Quran and the Bible
    But this is not sufficient grounds to accuse Muhammad of compiling or copying from the Bible. The similarities between the two do not indicate that later prophets plagiarized from previous ones, but merely point to a common source, who is the one true God, and to the continuation of the basic message of monotheism.
    The coming of the unlettered Prophet was prophesized in the Bible: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned." (Isaiah 29:12)

    see here
    MUST Watch Debate Ahmed Deedat VS Pastor Stanley Sjoberg Is The Bible The Word of God YouTube




    www.youtube.com/watch?v=uivLQeJ8_eU
    Someone told me
    the ‘message’ transmitted through the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) represented, not a completely new religion, but a corrective to the falsifications and distortions which had taken place and at the same time, an uncompromising re-assertion of the pure doctrine of the One God.

    Islam is the culmination of the universal message of God taught by all of His prophets. Muslims believe that a prophet was chosen for every nation at some point in their history, enjoining them to worship God alone and delivering guidance on how to live peacefully with others. Some of the prophets of God include Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad, peace be upon them all. The prophets all conveyed the consistent divine message of worshiping one God, along with specific societal laws for each nation’s circumstances.

    However, after the prophets delivered the divine guidance to their people, their message was lost, abandoned, or changed over time, with only parts of the original message intact. God then sent another prophet to rectify their beliefs. In order to restore the original call of all prophets, God sent Muhammad, peace be upon him (pbuh), as the final prophet to all of humanity in the 7th century C.E.

    In 610 C.E., Angel Gabriel visited Muhammad (pbuh) with the first divine message. For the next 23 years, he continued to receive revelations until the message was completed. Muhammad (pbuh) called people towards the belief in one God and encouraged them to be just and merciful to one another. He was a living example of God’s guidance for the benefit of the entire humankind.

    “Then We revealed to you [Muhammad], ‘Follow the creed of Abraham, a man of pure faith who was not an idolater.’” (Quran, 16:123)

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