Iran's forign policy

ya allah madad

0mm3afnan
:salam2:
brothers n sisters,many of us appreciate iran and ahmedi nijad for iits anti american policies,and consider iran as a very good muslim country,isnt it so?
muslims from every part of the world admired ahmedi nijad for callin bush "shaitaan buzurg"on the general assembly floor last year.
but i have some apprehension regarding its forign policies(sorry if i offend you).
we see its role in iraqi politics and ofcourse afghanistan its role is very much pro_american rather than ANTI.Iran along with India and Russia purchases lands and gift them to *!*!*!*!es.
they didnt accept Taliban as a muslim polity and so on so orth.what do u think is Iran a muslim country as it depicts its picture in our politics?
 

apocalypse77

Junior Member
Iranians are strong, they are united and independent and are proud of their heritage and civilization. Alot of us most probably look down on shias, thinking they will go to hell and deme them as heretics (as if wevwe the right to say that and play god when its actually allah's decision) but as you can see, unlike us they are the ones who have rise above all the negativity and have done something good for the Islamic world. Iran is one of the only few countries of the islamic world that arent an american puppet. they stood up against th ewest and dont want any foreign intervention in their affairs
. mebe there IS a hikmah why allah created this shia muslim thingy..its to see wether is there any tolerance for us to them and vice versa. Theres alot of sunnis, but alot arent united and probably not as hardworking as progressive as the Iranians. goes to show you quality is better than quantity sometimes.


to quote mr mahathir mohammed,

"what is it that we must believe when each branch of Islam thinks the other one is wrong? The Koran, after all, is one book, not two or three, or a thousand.

According to the Koran, a Muslim is anyone who bears witness that ''there is no God [Allah] but Allah, and that Muhammad is his Rasul [Messenger]''. If no other qualification is added, then all those who subscribe to these precepts must be regarded as Muslims. But because we Muslims like to add qualifications that often derive from sources other than the Koran, our religion's unity has been broken."
 

loveislam1

Junior Member
Inshallah this would be the ordeal to unite us once again, allhamdullilah for whatever happens we know that the youm al qiyyama is not going to come without some tribulations for our ummah, so be it, I absolutely love what iran has done in not bowing to the leader hypocrites of the west. Talking about "democracy"and freedoms with bombs and tanks and helicopters in your hands and overthrowing anyone who doesnt agree with them
 

Saifu deen

Alhamdullah..
:salam2:

Question:

I have also heard by a shia collegue that their is a surat in their book which is not in the QURAN. can u confirm this? the surat in qs is called SURAT AL-WILAYAT.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah. </SPAN>


With regard to Soorat al-Wilaayah, some of the Shi’ah scholars and imams have stated that it exists. Any of them who denies that does so by way of taqiyah (dissimulation). One of those who clearly stated that it exists is Mirza Hussein Muhammad Taqiy al-Noori al-Tubrusi (d. 1320 AH). He wrote a book in which he claimed that the Qur’aan had been distorted and that the Sahaabah has concealed some parts of it, including Soorat al-Wilaayah. The Raafidis honoured him after his death by burying him in al-Najaf. This book by al-Tubrusi was published in Iran in 1298 AH, and when it was published there was a great deal of controversy because they wanted the doubts about the validity of the Qur’aan, which were known only to their leaders, to remain scattered throughout hundreds of their major books, and they did not want that to be compiled in one book. At the beginning of his book he said:
“This is a good and noble book entitled Fasl al-khitaab fi ithbaat tahreef Kitaab Rabb il-Arbaab (Decisive comment on the distortion of the Book of the Lord of Lords)… He mentioned aayahs and soorahs which he claims that the Sahaabah concealed, including ‘Soorat al-Wilaayah,’” the text of which, according to them, and as quoted in this book, is:
“O you who believe, believe in the Prophet and the Wali [i.e., ‘Ali] whom We have sent to guide you to the straight path, a Prophet and a Wali who are part of one another, and I am the All-Knowing, All-Aware…”

And they have another soorah which they call Soorat al-Noorayn: “O you who believe, believe in the two lights (al-noorayn) which We have sent down to you to recite to you My Verses and to warn you of the punishment of a great Day. They are part of one another and I am the All-Hearing, All-Knowing. Those who fulfil the covenant with Allaah and His Messenger mentioned in the verses (of the Qur’aan), the Gardens of delight will be theirs, but those who disbelieve after they believed by breaking their covenant and disobeying the command of the Prophet, they will be thrown into Hell. They have wronged themselves and gone against the wasiyyah of the Prophet (i.e., the appointment of ‘Ali as khaleefah), and they will be given to drink of boiling water…” and other such nonsense.

You can see the entire soorah, along with a telegraphic picture of the Persian mus-haf at the following site:
http://arabic.islamicweb.com/shia/nurain.htm

Prof. Muhammad ‘Ali Sa’oodi – who was one of the greatest experts of the Ministry of Justice in Egypt – examined an Iranian mus-haf kept by the Orientalist Bryan and he obtained a copy of this soorah; above the lines of Arabic script there is written the translation in the Iranian language.

As it was mentioned by al-Tubrusi in his book, Fasl al-khitaab fi ithbaat tahreef Kitaab Rabb il-Arbaab, it is also mentioned in their book Dabastan Madhaahib, which is in Farsi, written by Muhsin Faani al-Kashmiri. This book has been printed numerous times in Iran, and this false soorah was quoted from it by the Orientalist Noeldeke in his book The History of Qur’anic Manuscripts, 2/120, and was published by the French Asian newspaper in 1842 (p. 431-439).
It was also mentioned by Mirza Habibullaah al-Haashimi al-Kho’i in his book Manhaaj al-Baraa’ah fi Sharh Nahj al-Balaaghah (2/217); and by Muhammad Baaqir al-Majlisi in his book Tadhkirat al-A’immah (p. 19, 20) in Farsi, (published by) Manshoorat Mawlana, Iran.
See also al-Khutoot al-‘Areedah li’l-Asas allati qaama ‘alayha deen al-Shi’ah by Muhibb al-Deen al-Khateeb.
This claim of theirs is a denial of the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Hence the Muslims are unanimously agreed that anyone who claims that anything in the Qur’aan has been altered or changed is a kaafir.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

The same applies to those among them who claim that some verses of the Qur’aan have been taken away or concealed, or who claim to have some esoteric interpretations that exempt him from having to do the actions prescribed in sharee’ah etc., who are called al-Qaraamitah and al-Baatiniyyah, and who include al-Tanaasukhiyyah [names of esoteric sects]. There is no dispute that they are kaafirs.
Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 3/1108-1110.
Ibn Hazm said:
The view that the Qur’aan has been altered is blatant kufr and is a rejection of what the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said.
Al-Fasl fi’l-Ahwa’ wa’-Milal wa’l-Nihal, 4/139.
And Allaah knows best.

Reference:http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?pg=print&ref=21500&ln=eng

Wassalamu Alykom..
 
:salam2:
brothers n sisters,many of us appreciate iran and ahmedi nijad for iits anti american policies,and consider iran as a very good muslim country,isnt it so?
muslims from every part of the world admired ahmedi nijad for callin bush "shaitaan buzurg"on the general assembly floor last year.
but i have some apprehension regarding its forign policies(sorry if i offend you).
we see its role in iraqi politics and ofcourse afghanistan its role is very much pro_american rather than ANTI.Iran along with India and Russia purchases lands and gift them to *!*!*!*!es.
they didnt accept Taliban as a muslim polity and so on so orth.what do u think is Iran a muslim country as it depicts its picture in our politics?

:salam2:

LOL
Irans policy in Iraq is a , well u can call it pro america or u can call it peace process. About Taliban. Taliban was a puppet american controlled regime.
Before Taliban the government of Afghanistan was pro Russia. America didnt like that. So it got overthrown. Then Soviets attacked Afghanistan.

Taliban was ANTI-ISLAM , THEIR MISSION WAS TO MAKE ISLAM LOOK BAD !!

WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO GO TO SCHOOL !!!! U THINK THIS IS SHARIA????


MUSLIMS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMB AND IGNORANT IT MAKES ME GO CRAZY SOMETIMES.

INSTEAD OF LEARNING QURAN, LEARN SOME POLITICS PLEASE
 
TO SAUDI DEEN:

DONT MAKE SHIA PROPAGANDA !!!! ATLEAST THEY ARE NOT SLAVES OF AMERICA LIKE UR SAUDI ARABIA.

DONT BE JELOUS. :astag:
 

Saifu deen

Alhamdullah..
Saifu so can you tell me what you are suggesting be done? that Muslims side with the west against iran?

:salam2:

Why are you jumbing to conclusions?.... Where in my post did I state or gave you a hint regarding this particular issue??...

Any country that stands for its right whether a muslim country or not, I have respect for them as simple as that!!!. I dont like a muslims to be oppressors by any mean. Therefore, I dont suggest that muslims side with the west against Iran.

No need to jumb to conclusions quickly inshallah. Ask for my opinion before judging my intention..

Wassalamu Alykom...
 

loveislam1

Junior Member
wa alikoum asalam brother
I did ask a question hence the question mark at the end of my sentence...I wanted to know what you were suggesting by the fatwah you posted?

I personally would rather take the side of those who say la illah ill allah wa muhammed arasool allah, who fast ramadan, celebrate eid and are a soverign nation backing our brothers in palestine, over the west who has over 10,000 nucelaur weapons and are the only ones to use them......so if the shia are those that are fighitng against the people who are killing a million of our brothers in iraq, and afghan and are fighting against those who have armed the israelis against our brothers and sisters in palestine and lebanon and helped back ethiopia against our brothers in mogadishu somolia, then I guess I will be backing the shia. Seems liek the ONLY country ready to stand for justice subhanallah. No other country has come to the aid of our brothers and sisters around the world.
 

Saifu deen

Alhamdullah..
TO SAUDI DEEN:

DONT MAKE SHIA PROPAGANDA !!!! ATLEAST THEY ARE NOT SLAVES OF AMERICA LIKE UR SAUDI ARABIA.

DONT BE JELOUS. :astag:

:salam2:

First of all, my user name is Saifu deen, and not Saudi Deen as you stated. Secondly, I am not making any propaganda, I believe that my post clearly indicates that its from Islamqa. Therefore, if you have any issues based on the article please contact the main source
www.islamqa.com. My post didnt include my opinion, on this subject, therefore, dont judge me.

Who told you that I am Saudi?.. lool, subhanllah, calm down brother no need to jumb around. You dont have the right to say ill comments about all Saudi people. Alhamdullah they are slaves of Allah (swt) ONLY.

You said : ''MUSLIMS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMB AND IGNORANT IT MAKES ME GO CRAZY SOMETIMES.
INSTEAD OF LEARNING QURAN, LEARN SOME POLITICS PLEASE''

You are disrespecting muslims around the world. Who gave you the right to speak about muslims in this manner, and then you are advising us to learn Qur'an????. Fix up..

If you believe that you are the only one who is clever and understandable then you are totally wrong my brother, because WE 'including you & me' need to go back to Qur'an and Sunnah.

With my respect, they way approached this matter shows the level of your knowlegde. Dont let your emotions control you inshallah because it will lead you to misjudge people, and calling me saudi deen and assume that I am Saudi shows clearly what I am on about.

Repent to Allah (swt) on what you've said and calm down..

Wassalamu Alykom..
 

Saifu deen

Alhamdullah..
I personally would rather take the side of those who say la illah ill allah wa muhammed arasool allah, who fast ramadan, celebrate eid and are a soverign nation backing our brothers in palestine, over the west who has over 10,000 nucelaur weapons and are the only ones to use them......so if the shia are those that are fighitng against the people who are killing a million of our brothers in iraq, and afghan and are fighting against those who have armed the israelis against our brothers and sisters in palestine and lebanon and helped back ethiopia against our brothers in mogadishu somolia, then I guess I will be backing the shia. Seems liek the ONLY country ready to stand for justice subhanallah. No other country has come to the aid of our brothers and sisters around the world.

:salam2:

I apologise brother. I was holding my temper after I read some posts, but I guess I snapped at you.. Apology

I dont admire the Iran government but surly I admire their courage to stand before the so called world police. But, would other countries such as Bahrain (or Qatar I guess) be safe if anything happens since they had disagreement with Iran on an Island... There are various possibilties, and countries such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, OMAN, and Bahrain feel unsafe in the presecence of Iran specailly if America attacks it, since America's base in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. What would happen to muslims civilians in those countries, they'll be another victims right?.. Therefore, I personally wouldnt join against/for Iran. If muslims have that power then Palestine is need today, Al-qsa mosque is calling muslims for years.

America claim that 7 nuclear heads is lost somehow????. This claim is extermely dangers, and Allah (swt) knows what they excatly upto. But surly, they upto no good. We'll wait and see.. I ask Allah (swt) to protect all muslims inshallah from violence and from enemy without mercy.

Wassalamu Alykom..
 

loveislam1

Junior Member
asalam alikoum
:hijabi: im a sis
no problem brother i too get heated about this subject and just spout off and want to make it a "us -muslims against "them" -non muslimsthing when it sometimes is not that simple, i really just dont know what to think about the current situation i cant stand the hypocricy of my country (america) and thier dealings with our brothers around the world, and yet cant stand the leaders as they sit back and do nothing , but since we are weak right now like the prophet said we would be, i guess this what HAS to happen

I think we all muslims are looking and a good strong leader these days salahideen comes to mind , i dont like jsut relying on the mehdi and jesus' return, i just want to see change. inshallah inshallah and while i also dont like some of the happenings with the mulahs inside iran thier foreign policy stance with the west now that I admire
 

Rawa

Junior Member
Salam Wandering Muslima,

If you have recognized this fact recently then you have been late! Not only Iran's foriegn policy but even its internal policy is not Islamic. There are 8 Million Kurdish living in Iran who so far haven't had the right of studying in their won language - Kurdish. Has Allah created different poeple and different languages to be manipulated and oppressed by other powerful nations?! Isn't a deifferent language the sign of Allah in the world?! If so, then why Iran has oppressed a nation and its language for about 80 years?!!

wassalam
 

loveislam1

Junior Member
Asalam alikoum Rawa
I dont know a thing about kurds I have heard of them in iraq and iran and most recently now since turkey is thinking to attack the kurdish rebels .....it seems like they are getting a raw deal, can you tell me what is the problem? what do the kurds want? State of Kurdistan? why not? we have so many other muslims nations let us just divide some more and what better reason then they cant study from thier own language.... I would rather see us fly the flag of islam speak the language of our prophet salalhu alahi wa salam and forget all this nonsense :girl3:
 

Rawa

Junior Member
Asalam alikoum Rawa
I dont know a thing about kurds I have heard of them in iraq and iran and most recently now since turkey is thinking to attack the kurdish rebels .....it seems like they are getting a raw deal, can you tell me what is the problem? what do the kurds want? State of Kurdistan? why not? we have so many other muslims nations let us just divide some more and what better reason then they cant study from thier own language.... I would rather see us fly the flag of islam speak the language of our prophet salalhu alahi wa salam and forget all this nonsense :girl3:


Find this link from TTT about Kurdish nation
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13555&highlight=kurdish+nation
 
Salam Wandering Muslima,

If you have recognized this fact recently then you have been late! Not only Iran's foriegn policy but even its internal policy is not Islamic. There are 8 Million Kurdish living in Iran who so far haven't had the right of studying in their won language - Kurdish. Has Allah created different poeple and different languages to be manipulated and oppressed by other powerful nations?! Isn't a deifferent language the sign of Allah in the world?! If so, then why Iran has oppressed a nation and its language for about 80 years?!!

wassalam

1. Ve aleikum Selam
2. Kurds dont have an own language. Its slighlty different verion of arabic.
3. I live in Germany. Im not allowed to speak my own language here(school,public, court...) Does that mean im oppressed ? NO
I just have to respect the laws of this country. I HAVE TO FIT IN

4. WhY IS IT THAT KURdS HARE HURTING OUR NATIONS MORE THAN OUR ENEMY ? U GUYS CANT FIT IN , IN SYRA , TURKEY, IRAN....
U DO TERROR ATTACKS IN THESE COUNTRIES !

wasalam
 
Kurds are even divided in RELIGION
There are: yezids, alevits, ahmadiyas, and only a minority is sunni muslim.

Not so long ago a Kurdish girl(she was yesids) was stoned to death for Converting to Islam by her yezids brothers.

Im sure u saw that video.

SO please no more terror attacks against muslim countries by Kurds.
:astag:
 

loveislam1

Junior Member
Salam alikoum
All I can say is la howell la qawatta illah billah atheem. may ALLAH help us in what wasy that is best for us unite us and keep us steadfast , may he help us during these tribulations and give us more wisdom and knowledge during this time of trials. I would very much give up my lanugage and my country if I had too for Islam.
:girl3:
 
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