Is a Bank-Bonus considered Interest?

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
salaam,

I noticed that my bank account has been credited with $50 out of the blue, and I looked it up, and I think its some sort of 'bonus' thing. Anyway, I think this is similar to interest, and needs to be put a stop to, and given away to charity.

Just wanted to ask, that if a Bank has such a "reward-system" is it the same thing as interest?
 

Maryam Zainab

Proud to be a Muslim
:wasalam:

I think its some sort of 'bonus' thing. Anyway, I think this is similar to interest, and needs to be put a stop to, and given away to charity.

You have to look at the following points before you take a decision.
1) Whether the bank you are dealing with is Islamic or non Islamic?
2) From which source the bonus is drown and distributed?
3) On what basis they distribute?

If it is a non Islamic bank it is sure that their transactions have involved with the followings;
a) Riba (interest)
b) Maysir (Gambling)
c) Gharar (Uncertainty)
which are prohibitted by Allah subhanahu wathala in the Qur'an (Q5:90).

The bonus may be drown from the above actions, therefore this will be Haram.

Also some banks may distribute the bonus according to the share of the account holder. Therefore, it is merely like interest.


On the other hand.... If it is an Islamic bank, the bonus may be from halal earnings and according to Sharia (profit & loss sharing).


Allah knows best.....
:hijabi:
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
As-salaamu `alaykum

I would be carfeul. Simply put, where do banks make much of their money from? Interest, haraam profits etc. We don't know how they manage their money, what goes here and what goes there, so not using it is the safest option and probably more-likely to be the only "right" option. Check islamqa.com or fatwa-online.com The latter has some interesting banking and interest related fataawaa.

Was-salaam
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
It's a non-Islamic bank (Bank of America) and they say it's a bonus for using my Debit card to make purchases... like for each time I bought something, they took a percentage of it, and gave it back to me as reward.

That's the most insane thing I ever heard. WHY do these places even do stuff like this? Troubling all of us Muslim people for no reason :D
 

Maryam Zainab

Proud to be a Muslim
:salam2:

Better to avoid suspicious things & follow only the things that are very clear and according to the Sharia.

ACCORDING TO ME...............

BEFORE POINTING OUT OTHERS AND SAY " Y ARE THESE PEOPLE TROUBLING US MUSLIMS IN ALL ASPECTS" WE HAVE TO SEE WHETHER WE HAVE DEVELOPED/CAMEUP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO THESE PEOBLEMS HAVING DECLARED AS " BEST OF NATION" BY ALLAH (SWT) AND HAVING THE BEST OF DEEN (WAY OF LIFE) IN OUR HANDS !!!!

:allahuakbar:
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
^ Oh...

You're right sister.:(

Anyone want to partner with me and help out in opening our own bank, which we can build up and expand, and then acquire all the non-islamic banks out there?
 

Rustandi

الفقير الى الله
^ Oh...

You're right sister.:(

Anyone want to partner with me and help out in opening our own bank, which we can build up and expand, and then acquire all the non-islamic banks out there?

assalamu'alaikum sister, lol what a great vision you have, just dont go overboard and try to conquer the world or something! :D but in case your serious i've heard from my friends that are studying in madinah that the banks in saudi are free from riba and gain their profit from other business (anyone from saudi can confirm about this?) maybe it can be set as an example for anyone trying to build an islamic bank.

also i've found an interesting website here

http://www.islamicbankingnetwork.com/index.shtml
 

Maryam Zainab

Proud to be a Muslim
Not only in Arabia, Islamic banking is one of the flourishing sectors around the world!. :ma: we have an Islamic Bank here and some windows of Islamic bank from the conventional banks too.
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
^ :lol: you guys are funny, mashallah.

But on a serious note, I finally got a chance to phone my bank today, and asked specifically about the $50 credited, and even they aren't sure, but the representative said that it's a one-time incentive, either if I referred a friend to open an account with them or something similar to that.

So it's still not considered halaal-money, is it?

Let me know, so I can prepare to send this money off to charity.. :)
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
As-salaamu `alaykum

Riba-based money, which it most likely is, isn't to be simply given to charity as Ibn Baaz stated. I think it is said that since Riba is taken from the people, it should be used for services that benefit all people. So Shaykh Ibn Baaz, rahimahullaah said it should be used for the building/maintenance of public roads, toilets (etc.) or given in assistance to the mujaahideen.

I wanted touch the money. Some charities, if you tell them it is riba money you're giving, will allocate it separately for specific causes. Allaah knows best.
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
As-salaamu `alaykum

It seems I mixed up the speech of a student of knowledge with Shaykh Ibn Baaz,

Using ribaa funds for good causes
www.fatwa-online.com

Question: I had shares in a bank which deals with ribaa, and then I sold them and earnt a profit. And now, some time has passed and I do not know what to do with it (the profit). So what do you advise me with? And may Allaah reward you with good.

Response: In the Name of Allaah, and all Praise is for Allaah (alone). The ribaa profit can be spent on good causes, whilst you (are entitled to) keep the initial amount (of the investment). So you must spend this profit in assisting the mujaahidoon and rennovating toilet facilities, and donating to the poor and that which is similar to this.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Silsilah Kitaab ad-Da'wah (10), al-Fataawa - Volume 3, Page 200

Allaah knows best, from reading this again I would assume you can donate for any charitable cause that helps many (and not just an individual), but I don't know... Maybe you should check the fatwa sites to see what else has been said.
 

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
:salam2: Akhi,

Brothers in our Masjid asked Shaykh Wasee Ullah Abbas about it.

He said that is permissible to use the Riba money (accumulated in our banks accounts because we don't have any other option) for treatment of Patients who have life threatening disease (like cancer etc, where unless treatment is done, death is quite certain).
 

arzafar

Junior Member
what is the islamic stance on currencies?
the fact that economies are using currencies mean that they will always be interest based. Interest is necessary because a currencies devalue over time (time value of money).
The only way to avoid interest is to abolish currencies altogether and go back to gold silver and copper coins. and barter trade. this would give people more freedom and prevent the world from being controlled by the banks. Whoever invented this monetary system was on hell of a cunning man.
 

Maryam Zainab

Proud to be a Muslim
:salam2:

what is the islamic stance on currencies?
the fact that economies are using currencies mean that they will always be interest based. Interest is necessary because a currencies devalue over time (time value of money).
The only way to avoid interest is to abolish currencies altogether and go back to gold silver and copper coins. and barter trade. this would give people more freedom and prevent the world from being controlled by the banks. Whoever invented this monetary system was on hell of a cunning man.

Brother, this is not a fact rather a myth.


The concept of time value of money in conventional economics
In conventional economics this concept implies that there is a monetary value of time which implies that money or credit given to anyone has a positive value depending upon the time of credit/loan. According to this theory, money/monetary assets necessarily earn return irrespective of the nature and the result of the underlying transactions and the businesses. In other words, the present value of an “X” amount of money is greater than the right to receive the same amount of money in future and, therefore, the debtor must pay to the creditor the amount “X” and an addition over it. Hence all loans, credits and debts have a charge normally known as interest or opportunity cost in conventional commercial terminology. Debentures, bonds, treasury papers and other loans created in the conventional system always have positive time value and the interest charge on them keeps on accruing until their repayment.


Time value of money in Islamic economics
Time has an important impact on the value of money. Hence, the price of 1 kg of a specific quality fish might be $5 in the morning and $4 in the evening. Therefore, as a general economic and business phenomenon, the concept of time value of money is accepted in Islamic economics. It is quite natural, as per Shari’ah rules, that the credit price of a commodity is more than its cash price at one point in time while in forward contracts like “Salam”, the price to be paid in advance for future delivery of the goods is less than the spot price of that commodity. Acceptance of this difference in the two prices of a commodity, when one price is settled at the time of execution of the sale, is tantamount to the acceptance of time value of money in the pricing of goods (in trade), or usufruct (in case of leasing). What is prohibited is any addition to the price or receivable once agreed in the event of any delay in repayment. Similarly, the Shari’ah prohibits the mutual exchange of monetary values except when it is done simultaneously. This is because one party can take benefit by use of a currency received while not giving its counter value from which the other party could have taken the benefit.

What about curruncies?
Muslim jurists have unanimously agreed that two separate classes of assets are susceptible to Riba,
• Currency or money and
• Few commodities mainly food items.
The requirements of an exchange involving these two types of assets are the same.

It is explained in the tradition that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was reported to have said
“gold for gold, silver for silver, wheat for wheat, barley for barley, dates for dates, and salt and salt, like for like, equal for equal, hand-to-hand . . . ”
If the commodities differ, then you may sell as you wish provided the exchange is hand-to-hand.
These requirements are only applicable when there is an exchange of one currency for another currency whether it is the same currency or different currencies. The requirements also apply to the exchange of a food item for another food item, whether it is of the same food item or of a different type.

No need to abolish currencies altogether and go back to gold silver and copper coins brother :SMILY231:


Islam is the perfect deen which will master all the ways of living @ any circumstances!!!

:fighta:
 
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