is it Fitna.?

[joldas]

assalamu galaykum.

there is a group of people ,they call themselves Salafi, Wahabbi, Ahmadi, Hizbut etc.

it is so outstanding to hear, for anyone, include me and other Muslims who did not know the meaning of "Salafi, wahabbi" feeling it is some kind of group. or party.

they divided themselves from majority Muslim groups, stating only we are the guided on the right path and state other Muslims "in danger, wrong path".

at the end, i think there should not be such groups, they marking themselves with such name, dividing the Muslims with many groups(firqa). the majority people of muslim is Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, they did not themselves with such remarkable names, who divided themselves from Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga with such names is one Firqa.

so according to hadith there will be 73 firqa in Muslims. who follow that Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga is not in those fitnaness Firqa. i consider those has "outstanding" names divided themselves from Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, giving them "brands" is not right, Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga do not make such fitna within, but those groups has "brands" making fitna with Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, dividing Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, spreading fitna, the fitna seems stoppable for current times.



ask Allah help us to chop off the horn of satan. save us from fitna, and firqa.

 

[joldas]

at the end who is learning Islam, you must try to find where the Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, do not follow those "branded" groups. the majority is Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga. follow them, learn from them.

 

[muharram23]

Salamu alaykum

Akhi u are a new user please read our rules of the website. This website is designed specifically to call the people to follow the Quran and sunnah with the understanding of the sahaba, tabiyyin and atba tabiyeen.

Barakallah feek

Wassalam

 

[ahmed_indian]

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sometimes these terms are just used for identity......many of them are from ahlus sunnah wal jamaah.

eg. we say indian, pakistani, etc. but we all are still muslims. we have Islamic association of USA, Muslim group of europe, still we are muslims.

so if we say hanafi, shafi, salafi....we all belong to right group of Islam.

but some are deviated like shia, ahmadi, etc.

 

[joldas]

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sometimes these terms are just used for identity......many of them are from ahlus sunnah wal jamaah.

eg. we say indian, pakistani, etc. but we all are still muslims. we have Islamic association of USA, Muslim group of europe, still we are muslims.

so if we say hanafi, shafi, salafi....we all belong to right group of Islam.

but some are deviated like shia, ahmadi, etc.

:salam2:

aqeedah make you different from Christan and Jews. you take four madhab, any of them, you will not go wrong, take which ever, and there are not conflict within those madhabs and they are sane aqeedah.

the problem is the salafi, wahabbi distorted about the aqida, the aqida is very important, make you different from Christan and Jews...and the salafi, wahabi, ahmadi, sufis, hizbuts accuse other Muslims they are wrong, only they right, they go extreme.

some who learned from ibn taymiyyah`s statement said you are misleading, because i said to him: "i am hanafi mazhab and the aqeedah of matudury.". saying you are misleading. and the matudury aqeedah is the aqeedah for whole Turkic people, and for the whole china Muslims and mongol Muslims. in total the are about over 200million Muslims, and according to that, those 200million people gone wrong?

i fear if those christan and jews peoples making fitna to muslims within the internet, posting many different posts and articles..and at the final giving out different aqeedah problems for muslins, intent to tear them into firqa? may be they are doing that on turntoislam.com?

anyone think of this as i had thought?

Allah knows...

 

[muharram23]

Salamu alaykum

Please do not call the salafi manhaj a misguided sect. Those brothers and sisters who attribute themselves to follow our predeceserd the salaf as saleeh the first 3 generations ( sahaba, tabiyeen and atba tabiyeen). They follow this religion based upon their understanding. So those who follow them the salaf as salih call themselves salafis and they are the pure followers or those who are from the ahlussunah wal jamah.

What is your so called maruridi aqeedah if u can explain. Is that something the prophet called the aqeedah he was upon or the first 3 generations were upon or utwas named after someone such as mansur al maturidi?

Who says that you haveto follow 1 of the 4 mathabs? Why restrict urself to 1 imam or scholar?

So please explainto usthe maturidi aqeedah.

As far as us, then we consider that a misguided aqeedah as well as your ashari aqeedah.

Those two types are not something our prophet or our salaf were upon.

Please do read our website especially our aqeedah section.

If it not something u like than please do not try to promote your aqeedah here as we will not allow that.

Any aqeedah that neglects Allah's names and attributes even though they are clear is misguided.

May Allah guided us to the right path

Ameen
Wassalam

 

[AdamMuslim]

assalamu galaykum.

there is a group of people ,they call themselves Salafi, Wahabbi, Ahmadi, Hizbut etc.

it is so outstanding to hear, for anyone, include me and other Muslims who did not know the meaning of "Salafi, wahabbi" feeling it is some kind of group. or party.

they divided themselves from majority Muslim groups, stating only we are the guided on the right path and state other Muslims "in danger, wrong path".

at the end, i think there should not be such groups, they marking themselves with such name, dividing the Muslims with many groups(firqa). the majority people of muslim is Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, they did not themselves with such remarkable names, who divided themselves from Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga with such names is one Firqa.

so according to hadith there will be 73 firqa in Muslims. who follow that Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga is not in those fitnaness Firqa. i consider those has "outstanding" names divided themselves from Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, giving them "brands" is not right, Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga do not make such fitna within, but those groups has "brands" making fitna with Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, dividing Ahli sunna wa Al-jamaga, spreading fitna, the fitna seems stoppable for current times.

Assalamou Alikom Wrahmatou Allah,

are these your words or you've just quoted another person's work ?
If so please give us your sources in order to better help you inchAllah.

Wassalam

 

[joldas]

:salam2:

ramadan mubarak.

i know the what salafi mean and who is sahaba, tabiyeen and atba tabiyeen are.
but today who call themself salafi is the true salafi?

how do you prove that? thanks, i`ll lately will post the aqeedah of maturidi. you i did not say you are misguided, and do not tell me the word i had not told you. you said aqeedah of maturidi is misguided? so the 200 million people are misguided?

i`ll answer your question step by step...inshallah.

 

[joldas]

Assalamou Alikom Wrahmatou Allah,

are these your words or you've just quoted another person's work ?
If so please give us your sources in order to better help you inchAllah.

Wassalam

ramadan mubarak.

that is from some our website in Kazakh language. but you do not understand that.. and some of my opinions.

 

[joldas]

nowsays, we heared that recently, salafi is newly invented innovation, has the age about several teen years of age.

 

[AdamMuslim]

Assalamou Alikom Warahmatou Allah,

Sorry for being direct brother but I was a little bit skeptic and al hamdoulillah you've confirmed my doubts. Anyway, in order to have a good discussion please always give your sources even if it is written in Kazakh !

I read a bit about the Maturidi (relativly to Abu Mansour Al-Maturidi) and at this moment I do not have enough material to give you a my humble assessment of this group.

Wassalam

 

[joldas]

:salam2:

i want have there a beautiful discussion with beautiful manners as much as possible. inshallah, the both side get some benefit. ask Allah guide to right patg. we are alla longing for the right path.

jazaka allah ahyir.

 

[joldas]

Assalamou Alikom Warahmatou Allah,

Sorry for being direct brother but I was a little bit skeptic and al hamdoulillah you've confirmed my doubts. Anyway, in order to have a good discussion please always give you sources even if it is written in Kazakh !

I read a bit about the Maturidi (relativly to Abu Mansour Al-Maturidi) and at this moment I do not have enough material to give you a my humble assessment of this group.

Wassalam

wagalikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

there is about the aqeehah of matuduri.

http://www.kazakh.ru/talk/mmess.phtml?idt=126527

and there is about who is the ahli sunna wa al jamaga.

http://www.ruhanyat.kz/index.php?op...=10:l-r-&catid=3:2010-07-18-19-49-55&Itemid=3

http://www.ruhanyat.kz/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=3

there some words in arabic, may be you can read them....

 

[Asja]

:salam2:

aqeedah make you different from Christan and Jews. you take four madhab, any of them, you will not go wrong, take which ever, and there are not conflict within those madhabs and they are sane aqeedah.

the problem is the salafi, wahabbi distorted about the aqida, the aqida is very important, make you different from Christan and Jews...and the salafi, wahabi, ahmadi, sufis, hizbuts accuse other Muslims they are wrong, only they right, they go extreme.

Assalamu allaicum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu


Dear brother, there is only on Islaam based on Quraan and Sunah, and there is only one way. SubhanAllah, there is nothing extreme in words of Allah, neither in the words of our beloved Prophet Mohammed sallahu alyha wa salam. There are 4 schools of Islaam which are all correct, and Muslims who folow Islaam explained by those 4 Schools are on the right way Inshallah,and all these 4 Schools are folowing first Salaf generation of Muslims,and that does not made us misguided Alhamdulillah.We are one Ummah Alhamdmulillah,and we should not seperate between each others, Inshallah,and we should not call ourselves any names except us Muslims. Allah Almighty sais: "The saying of (all true) believers when they are called unto Allah and His messenger to judge between them is only that they say: We hear and we obey. And such are the successful. (51) He who obeyeth Allah and His messenger, and feareth Allah, and keepeth duty (unto Him): such indeed are the victorious." ( Surah An Noor, ayah 52)

It means all these 4 Schools can be called " Salafi", which is Alahdmulilah diffrent than " Ahmadi",some " Shia", " Suffis", who are misguided. I agree with you brother that we should not call ourselves with any names except to call oursleves " Muslims", like Allah subhan we teala has called us long time ago. Like Words of Allah and His Messanger are not enough.

I do not understand brother why do you use word " wahabi" and indiacte it to Muslims. " Wahab" is one of the most beautiful names of Allah,and it should not be used like some people use it. There is no such a thing as " wahabi", they are only Muslims who folow Quran and Sunnah, which does not make them "Wahabi" Astagfirullah.

I also do not understand what do you mean when you say " exteme",and what does " extrem" mean to you? Alhamdulillah, folowing Quran and Sunnah is not extreme, wearing beard, or proper hijab is not extreme, but it is only mercy of Allah and the only right way.

I do not have so much knowledge:shymuslima1: ,but I tryed to share my knowledge and feeelings. I hope Inshallah some brothers and sisters can explain better, Inshallah.

May Allah increase us all in knowledge. ameen summa ameen

May Allah bless you

 

[joldas]

matudury(may be madududi in english) born hijira 238(with gerogerian calendar early 862)...

 

[joldas]

why need madhab?

in the "era" of fitna we must follow the madhabs, otherwise millions of people make millions of madhad and thousands of groups make thousands of madhab,..



those imams of madhab the great follower of the footsteps of the early salafis, and transmitting the ilim of islam to the generation and to us.......we muslims must not call ourself those outstanding names, even that name established on the very good niyats, do not allow even if they are right, avoid firqa,,we mst follow the majority, the ahlisunna wa al jamaga, those has madhabs, otherwise the horn of fitna will hurt us...and the contradiction will fashion everywhere among us.

 

[joldas]

i`ll tell you many Muslim brothers here poisoned with "recent salafi" `s hostile poisons towards matuduri, even that is not true.
at least there must be the respect to those Ulama....otherwise it is something like extreme behavior.


islam do not allow go extreme, neither "loosely".

 

[joldas]

As far as us, then we consider that a misguided aqeedah as well as your ashari aqeedah.

ashari is misguided aqeedah, so Muhammad Al-Faatih, conquer of Constantinople is misguided? he is Hanafi in fiqh, Ashari and Matrudi in Aqeedah. ...

and there is a hadith from muhammed s.w.w.s:

"Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!".......

my brother do not go extreme... we need make clear step by step with open heart to each other..

 

[AdamMuslim]

i`ll tell you many Muslim brothers here poisoned with "recent salafi"

Assalamou Alikom Warahmatou Allah,

Brother you already have started judging us ?!?!?

For me this sounds odd and weird since it is clear that you've came here with sever prejudices about us.

Brother we commit ourselves here to respect peoples believes no matter what those believes are as long as they address us with respect.

If your intention is to learn about the true Islam please reconsider your approach and we will be more than happy to discuss with you anything. Otherwise, you are in the wrong place.


Hasbouna Allah wanemaa Al-wakeel.

Wassalam

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Brother, I am very confused. What is that you are needing to find out or rather teach us. Tell me in simple words what this subject is about. As a reader I am lost. What do you want to tell me.