IS MY FAST VALID.

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2: brothers and sister,
i hope this post finds you in the best of health and imaan.
please clear this confusion.it has happened a few times that i get late for suhoor.so at times i continue eating while moazzin is giving the adan.like last night i was done when he was about to finish the adan.

my queation is should one quit eating the moment adan starts.or is it ok to eat in cases like being late.

and do i have to repeat my fast.

 

[revert2007]

u can eat till u hear the athan..once u hear the athan u are not allowed to put anything in ur mouth but u can finish whatever is remaining in ur mouth..

since in ur case u continue to eat even after u hear the athann...so it is not valid

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

u can eat till u hear the athan..once u hear the athan u are not allowed to put anything in ur mouth but u can finish whatever is remaining in ur mouth..

since in ur case u continue to eat even after u hear the athann...so it is not valid

jazakALLAH khaira for the kind reply.does that mean that i have to fast again............some in here are of the opnion that incase you get late it's o.k:shymuslima1:

P.S.can i hve hadith referances please.its confusing.

 

[revert2007]

does that mean that i have to fast again............some in here are of the opnion that incase you get late it's o.k:shymuslima1:

there is nothing in hadith said such things..it is only said...if u couldnt hear the athan..u can see the sky and if it chnages colour and it shows that the sun is gonna rise,u should stop eating..but since u woke up late and the athan is going,then the fasting is in valid..it is either u fast without sahor..or dont fast at all..sometimes i fast without sahoor if i forget to wake up or the athan is there before i could eat..

well u were replacing ur ramadan fasting????u stioll have time and as muslim we do fast every monday and thursday..so why are u so upset about fasting again?ur revert? am revert and fasting is not a difficult thing by the way..take things slow..but ur in pakistani..are there reverts in pakistani ni ???

 

[revert2007]

u can read this..just scroll down and concentrate what he says when u hear the athan
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546182

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

no sister i'm not a revert.And fasting is like my hobby.love to fast.
what i'm worried about is that i don't kno exactly how many of my fasts got

defected this way.secondly my mum's kind of worried about my health for

some reason.i feel perfect though.i dunno how she'll react to this news.she

recently found out i've been carring this hobby of mine secretly.she's not

very happy about it.tells me to take a break.AND THAT IS WHAT IS HARD

FOR ME TO DO

by the way was showing my confusion and embarrassment.

P.S.there are reverts here too.not much though.

 

[revert2007]

no sister i'm not a revert.And fasting is like my hobby.love to fast.

what i'm worried about is that i don't kno exactly how many of my fasts got

defected this way.secondly my mum's kind of worried about my health for

some reason.i feel perfect though.i dunno how she'll react to this news.she

recently found out i've been carring this hobby of mine secretly.she's not

very happy about it.tells me to take a break.AND THAT IS WHAT IS HARD

FOR ME TO DO

by the way was showing my confusion and embarrassment.

P.S.there are reverts here too.not much though.

if u do it without knowing ..Allahu alam..only Allah knows if it is valid or not..do not force urself intofasting of sunnah if u hv health problem..islam is easy and we shouldnt make it difficult ...even just with the intention of fasting u alraedy get the rweards..do fasting when ur capable of doing it and ur doing it for Allah and no one else..if u think u can go on..then proceed..if u cant then dont

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:
sister for ur replies,patience and advice.i have been asking this question around in here too.opnions varied with different fatwas related.so i guess i'll just be careful next time and hope for the best.

and sis i must say U R the GREATEST sister around...............until now..........kidding u really nice till the end.i'll keep u in my prayers.

 

[revert2007]

:salam2:
sister for ur replies,patience and advice.i have been asking this question around in here too.opnions varied with different fatwas related.so i guess i'll just be careful next time and hope for the best.

and sis i must say U R the GREATEST sister around...............until now..........kidding u really nice till the end.i'll keep u in my prayers.

thank you so much..that is really sweet of u
u will be in my dua as well inshaAllah

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

thank you so much..that is really sweet of u
u will be in my dua as well inshaAllah

...........u r really very kind

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Asalamoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu. . .

I found fatawas related to this issue so I decided to share them here for the benefit of everyone Inshaa'Allaah.

What is the ruling on eating or drinking during the adhaan for Fajr?​

It is obligatory for the fasting person to refrain from things which break the fast from the true dawn until the sun sets. What is means is when dawn breaks, not the adhaan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)”

[al-Baqarah 2:187]

So when a person becomes certain that the true dawn has come, he has to stop eating and drinking, and if there is food in his mouth he has to spit it out; if he does not do that, then he has invalidated his fast.

But if a person is not certain that dawn has come, he may eat until he is certain. The same applies if he knows that the muezzin gives the call before the time comes, or if he is not sure whether he gives the call on time or ahead of time: he may eat until he is certain. But it is better for him to stop eating as soon as he hears the adhaan.

With regard to the hadeeth mentioned above, the scholars interpreted it as referring to a muezzin who gives the call to prayer before dawn breaks.

 

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Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ 6/333:
​

We have stated that if dawn breaks and a person has food in his mouth, he should spit it out and complete his fast. If he swallows it after knowing that dawn has come, his fast is invalidated. There is no difference of scholarly opinion on this point. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar and ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with them both), according to which that Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bilaal gives the call to prayer at night, so eat and drink until Ibn Umm Maktoom gives the call to prayer.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. There are many ahaadeeth in al-Saheeh with similar meanings.

With regard to the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), according which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If one of you hears the call (to prayer) and the vessel is still in his hand, let him not put it down until he has finished with it” – and according to another version he said: the muezzin used to give the call to prayer when dawn broke – al-Haakim Abu ‘Abd-Allaah narrated the first version, and said: This is saheeh according to the conditions of Muslim. Both were narrated by al-Bayhaqi, who said: If this is saheeh, it is understood by the majority of scholars as meaning that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) knew that he used to give the call to prayer before dawn came, thus the eating and drinking referred to were taking place just before dawn came.

The phrase “when dawn broke” is understood to be the words of someone other than Abu Hurayrah, or it may be describing the second adhaan, in which case the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – “If one of you hears the call (to prayer) and the vessel is still in his hand” – refer to the first call to prayer, so that it is in accordance with the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar and ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with them). He said: Thus the reports are in agreement. And Allaah is the Source of strength, and Allaah knows best.

 

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Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) stated in Tahdheeb al-Sunan​

that some of the salaf followed the apparent meaning of the hadeeth mentioned in the question, and they regarded it as permissible to eat and drink after hearing the adhaan of Fajr. Then he said:

But the majority are of the view that sahoor should stop when dawn breaks. This is the view of the four imams, and the majority of fuqaha’ of the regions, and was also narrated from ‘Umar and Ibn ‘Abbaas. The former quoted as evidence the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “… so eat and drink until Ibn Umm Maktoom gives the call to prayer, for he does not give the call until dawn breaks.” It is narrated thus in al-Bukhaari; in some versions it says: “… and he was a blind man who did not give the call to prayer until it was said to him: Dawn has come, dawn has come.” And the majority quoted as evidence the words of Allaah: “and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)” [al-Baqarah 2:187], and the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Eat and drink until Ibn Umm Maktoom gives the call to prayer,” and his words, “There are two dawns. The first one does not make it haraam to eat or make it permissible to pray, but the second makes it haraam to eat and permissible to pray.” Narrated by al-Bayhaqi in his Sunan.

Reports were narrated from some of the Salaf which indicate that it is permissible for a fasting person to eat until dawn breaks. Ibn Hazm (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrated a large number of such reports, including the report that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab used to say: “If two men are uncertain about dawn let them eat until they are certain.”

It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Allaah has permitted drinking so long as you are uncertain, i.e., about the dawn.”

It was narrated that Makhool said: I saw Ibn ‘Umar take a bucket of Zamzam water and say to two men, “Has dawn come?” One of them said: “It has come,” and the other said, “No (it hasn’t),” so Ibn ‘Umar drank (the water).

Ibn Hazm said, commenting on the hadeeth asked about here and a number of similar reports: All of this refers to cases when they are not yet certain that dawn has come. Thus the Sunnahs are in accordance with the Qur’aan.

End quote from al-Muhalla, 4/367.

Undoubtedly most of the muezzins nowadays rely on clocks and timetables, not on sighting the dawn. This cannot be regarded as certainty that dawn has come. Whoever eats in this case, his fast is valid, because he was not certain that dawn had come, but it is better and safer to stop eating.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on the fast of one who hears the adhaan of Fajr but continues eating and drinking?​

He replied:

What the believer must do is to abstain from things that break the fast, eating and drinking etc., when it becomes clear to him that dawn has broken, if the fast is an obligatory one such as in Ramadaan and fasts in fulfillment of vows or as an act of expiation, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)”

[al-Baqarah 2:187]

If he hears the adhaan and knows that this is the call for Fajr prayer, he must stop eating. If the muezzin gives the call to prayer before dawn breaks, then he does not have to stop eating, and it is permissible for him to eat and drink until it is clear to him that dawn has come.

If he does not know whether the muezzin gives the call to prayer before or after dawn, then it is better and safer for him to stop eating when he hears the adhaan, but it does not matter if he drinks or eats something during the adhaan because he does not know whether dawn has broken.

It is well known that those who live in cities where there are electrical lights cannot know whether dawn has come at the time when it breaks, but they can follow the adhaan and timetables which give the time of dawn, hour and minute, in accordance with the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Leave that which makes you doubt for that which does not make you doubt.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever avoids doubtful matters will have protected his religious commitment and honour.” And Allaah is the Source of strength.

End quote, from Fataawa Ramadaan, compiled by Ashraf ‘Abd al-Maqsood, p. 201

 

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Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: You said that we must stop eating when we hear the adhaan, but a few years ago they did not stop eating until the end of the adhaan. What is the ruling on that action of theirs?​

He replied:

The adhaan for Fajr prayer may be given either after dawn breaks or before. If it is given after dawn breaks, then one must stop eating as soon as he hears the call, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bilaal gives the call to prayer at night, so eat and drink until Ibn Umm Maktoom gives the call to prayer, for he does not give the call until dawn has broken.” If you know that this muezzin does not give the call to prayer until dawn has broken, then stop as soon as you hear him. But if the muezzin gives the call based on a timetable he follows, or based on his watch, then the matter is less serious.

Based on this, we say to this questioner: You do not have to make up what is past, because you were not certain whether you ate after dawn had broken. But in the future you should be careful; when you hear the muezzin, stop eating.

End quote from Fataawa Ramadaan, p. 204

And the Shaykh said, pointing out what is said about timetables being inaccurate:
Because some people nowadays are uncertain about the timetables that people have, and they say that they give the time of dawn too early, we went out into the desert with no lights around us, and we saw that the dawn came later, and some people exaggerated and suggested that the dawn comes twenty minutes later.

But it seems that this exaggeration is not correct. What we think is that the timetables that people have nowadays give the time of dawn in particular as five minutes early, so if you eat whilst the muezzin is giving the adhaan according to the timetable, it doesn’t matter. Some muezzins, may Allaah reward them with good, give the adhaan five minutes later than the time given in the timetables as they exist at present, as a precaution, but some ignorant muezzins give the adhaan for Fajr early, claiming that this is on the safe side with regard to the fast, but they forget that they are being careless with regard to something that is more important than the fast, namely Fajr prayer. So people may end up praying ahead of time based on their adhaan. If a person offers a prayer ahead of its time, even if he says the opening takbeer, his prayer is not valid…

From Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol 19, question no. 772

And Allaah knows best.

Source

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

The true time of Fajr
​

It should be noted that there are two dawns, the false dawn (al-fajr al-kaadhib), which does not signal the beginning of the time for Fajr prayer or the time when the one who wants to fast should refrain from food, drink and intercourse; and the true dawn (al-fajr al-saadiq), which is when the time for Fajr prayer begins and the time when the one who wants to fast should refrain from food, drink and intercourse. This is what is referred to in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)” [al-Baqarah 2:187].

The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) explained the difference between them in many hadeeths, some of which speak of the difference between them in terms of characteristics, and others speak of the difference between them in terms of rulings; and some hadeeths mention both characteristics and rulings.

You can see these hadeeths in the answer to question no. 26763

The difference between the two dawns also appears clearly in the words of the Sahaabah and Taabi‘een and the imams who came after them.

Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

‘Abd al-Razzaaq said: Ibn Jurayj told us that ‘Ata’ said: I heard Ibn ‘Abbaas say: There are two dawns: as for that which appears vertically in the sky, it does not make anything halaal or haraam; rather the dawn that appears along the mountaintops is that which makes it haraam to drink.

‘Ata’ said: If it appears vertically in the sky, that does not make it haraam to drink for fasting or praying, and it does not affect Hajj. But if it spreads along the mountaintops, it becomes haraam to drink for one who is fasting, and it means that Hajj has been missed.

This is a saheeh isnaad going back to Ibn ‘Abbaas and ‘Ata’. Something similar was also narrated from more than one of the salaf (may Allah have mercy on them).

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/516

 

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Ibn Qudaamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
​

To sum up, the time of dawn refers to the appearance of the second dawn according to consensus. That is indicated by the reports of the times of prayer. It is the white line that appears along the horizon; it is called the true dawn (al-fajr al-saadiq).

As for the first dawn, it is the white line that appears vertically and not horizontally. It is not connected to any ruling and it is called the false dawn (al-fajr al-kaadhib).

Al-Mughni, 1/232

 

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Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said: ​

The scholars stated that there are three differences between it (the false dawn) and the second (dawn):

1. The first dawn is vertical and not horizontal, i.e., it extends from east to west (across the arc of the sky) whereas the second dawn extends from north to south (across the horizon).

2. The first dawn turns dark, i.e., this light appears for a short while, then it goes dark, whereas the second dawn does not turn dark, rather it increases in light and grows brighter.

3. The second dawn extends along the horizon with no darkness between it and the horizon, whereas the first dawn is separate from the horizon and there is darkness between it and the horizon.

Are any rulings connected to the first dawn? No shar‘i rulings whatsoever are connected to it, such as stopping eating when you want to fast, or the time for Fajr prayer beginning. The rulings are connected to the second dawn. End quote.

Al-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 2/107, 108

Secondly:

With regard to the available prayer timetables, they are not a reliable source for finding out the time of Fajr prayer. The fact that these timetables are incorrect has been proven.

What you should do is not rely on the timetables to find out the time of Fajr prayer. You have to look for the correct time on the basis of what we have mentioned of the differences between the false dawn and the true dawn. If you cannot look at the sky every day, then you can delay it after the time mentioned in the timetable, to be on the safe side. In our country this time differs from one city to another and from one season to another. So you can delay it half an hour, for example, to pray Fajr, but to be on the safe side you should stop eating and drinking before that.

You can draw up a correct timetable to be used by those who come after you, after working out the time of the true dawn for a whole year, at various times. Perhaps you will attain the reward of correcting the Muslims’ acts of worship.

Based on that, if possible you can work out the time of Fajr yourselves and follow that in prayer and fasting. If that is not possible, then you should not pray until you think it most likely that the time for the prayer has begun.

With regard to fasting, you can eat or drink until you are certain that dawn has broken, because Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)” [al-Baqarah 2:187].

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

So long as he is not certain that dawn has broken, he may eat even if he is not sure, until he is certain. End quote.

Fataawa al-Siyaam, p. 299

And Allah knows best.

Source

 

[queenislam]

(Subuh meaning dawn :begin to brighten with daylight)

:salam2: brothers and sister,
i hope this post finds you in the best of health and imaan.
please clear this confusion.it has happened a few times that i get late for suhoor.so at times i continue eating while moazzin is giving the adan.like last night i was done when he was about to finish the adan.

my queation is should one quit eating the moment adan starts.or is it ok to eat in cases like being late.

and do i have to repeat my fast.

“and eat and drink until the white thread (light) of dawn appears to you distinct from the black thread (darkness of night)”

[al-Baqarah 2:187]


~~~
Assalamu'alaikum!

One will finish what in his/her mouth and getting ready to fast when he/she hear the imsak but to stop totaly/completly once Azan's subuh .

1)She/He should spit out what
left in the mouth(Do not swollow)

2)Gargle then spitting out the water from gargling.

3)Don't forget to say your intention to fast.

The fajr Azan is the mark of dawn appears in you area.
Subuh meaning dawn (begin to brighten with daylight)

Like wise the sun set once the maghrib Azan we break our fast instantly!
and similar of dawn appears the mark of subuh's Azan to stop eating instantly and begin fasting.

In your situation your fast
is invalid because you still eating but then that you did not know the rules since, in this case it consider you did not know.
I would love to advice you to make up your fast
but
~Only Allah swt knows best if your fast that day is valid or not, in that situation.
Allah swt is the most merciful!
Allahu Akbar!

And now that you know please follow accordingly.
Thank you!

The call to Fajr prayer marks the beginning of the obligatory daily fasting (sawm)
during Muslims holy month of Ramadhan.
The Holy Qur'an relates a sura, Al-Fajr, by the same name.

Surat 89 Al Fajr- the Dawn - recited by Mishary Alafasy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPHXhE5-4Jw

~May Allah swt help.protect and guide all muslim~Amin!

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[Tabassum07]

“One will finish what in his/her mouth and getting ready to fast when he/she hear the imsak but to stop totaly/completly once Azan's subuh .

1)She/He should spit out what
left in the mouth(Do not swollow)

2)Gargle then spitting out the water from gargling.

3)Don't forget to say your intention to fast.

The fajr Azan is the mark of dawn appears in you area.
Subuh meaning dawn (begin to brighten with daylight)

[/B]

:salam2: sister,

Sister, I would like to let you know that the concept of Imsak isn't correct as we've been told to eat until the Fajr athan. Imsak is 10 minutes before the fajr athan, so why would we stop 10 minutes early??

Secondly, we're not supposed to 'say' our intention to fast. This was being discussed only yesterday here: http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79048