Is this bid'aah??

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . .

i have another question...

anyone remember Apaajee??

i made a thread here sometime ago requesting you guys pray for my khala as she was having a severe back ache. . .

her condition is still not good. She keeps on experiencing jerks after every second or two and the muscles, bones and nerves specialists are totally confused as to what's wrong with her. so she stays in bed, can't walk more then five steps at a time.Sobhan'Allah!! All her tests are clear.

People are advising her with different things, Some tell her to recite a specific part of the quran( some surah or a couple of ayah) in a specific time period, 3,31 etc times.

My Question is, Is this valid practice or is it a form of bidaah.

My mom recites it for her and she asks us to do the same. when i told my mother about my doubts, she thought i was being lazy. So i recite these surahs with the intention of revising them. Is that okay??

Also my mom told me not to talk about this to my aunty, coz she says she may feel like i'm finding excuses and that i don't care about helping her regain her health by invoking Allah for her. She says it's just a form of prayer and reciting Quran is nothing wrong. My aunty is trying all this because she's feeling so down. But if it's wrong and i can explain it to her, i'm sure she'll understand. She a women willing to learn. so i thought i'll try talking to her if this is wrong practice.

sorry for the long thread.

Jazakallah khair

wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . .

 

[khangul]

:salam2:


i had some problems too , like when i stand for prayer i would feel like there is a heavy load on me and beneath my shoulder it feels like someone is tickling me .i had a swere back pain .i did x rays that were clear.when i listened to ruqyaa my back pain went away.i would say if you also try ruqya for her and ALLAH knows best.

 

[faaraa]

YA UKHTHI..

First of all, May ALLAH AZZAWAJAL cure your loved one soon.. (I DONT KNOW THE MEANING OS KHALA...LOL, thats y i said loved one)

Any ways, There is an authentic hadeeth which I know..

Narrated `Aisha:
Whenever Allah's Apostle went to bed, he used to recite Surat−al−Ikhlas, Surat−al−Falaq and Surat−an−Nas and then blow on his palms and pass them over his face and those parts of his body that his hands could reach. And when he fell ill, he used to order me to do like that for him. (Bukharri 7:644)

SO YOU CAN RECITE THOSE THREE SOORAHS ON YOUR LOVED ONE..

Plus.. there is another Hadeeth..

Narrated Abu Sa`id: A group of the companions of Allah's Apostle proceeded on a journey till they dismounted near one of the Arab tribes and requested them to entertain them as their guests, but they (the tribe people) refused to entertain them. Then the chief of that tribe was bitten by a snake (or
stung by a scorpion) and he was given all sorts of treatment, but all in vain. Some of them said, "Will you go to the group (those travelers) who have dismounted near you and see if one of them has something useful?" They came to them and said, "O the group! Our leader has been bitten by a snake (or stung by a scorpion) and we have treated him with everything but
nothing benefited him Has anyone of you anything useful?" One of them replied, "Yes, by Allah, I know how to treat with a Ruqya. But. by Allah, we wanted you to receive us as your guests but you refused. I will not treat your patient with a Ruqya till you fix for us something as wages." Consequently they agreed to give those travellers a flock of sheep. The man
went with them (the people of the tribe) and started spitting (on the bite) and reciting Surat−al−Fatiha till the patient was healed and started walking as if he had not been sick.When the tribe people paid them their wages they had agreed upon, some of them (the Prophet's companions) said, "Distribute (the sheep)." But the one who treated with the Ruqya said, "Do not do that till we go to Allah's Apostle and mention to him what has happened, and see what he will order us." So they came to Allah's Apostle and mentioned the story to him and he said, "How do you know that Surat−al−Fatiha is a
Ruqya? You have done the right thing. Divide (what you have got) and assign for me a share with you." (BUKHARI 7:645)

SO YOU CAN RECITE SOORAH FATHIHAA TOO..

ALLAH AZZAWAJAL KNOWS THE BEST...

But I know of some books which are available in South Asia, which has soooo many curing methodologies BUT IF YOU CHECK CAREFULLY YOU WOULD COME TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN BID'AH..

So be careful UKHTHI... while treating your loved one..

Plus, there is an other saying of RASOOLULLAH (PBUH) , that every disease has a cure in BLACK SEEDS except for death..
so make her your loved one consume some Black seeds every day..
(I COULD NOT FIND THE REFERENCE FOR YOU )

Moreover ALLAH AZZAWAJAL says in the Quran that there is healing in HONEY
So let your loved one consume honey too..

ALLAH AZZAWAJAL KNOWS BEST

Regarding the other recitations, check whether they are from SUNNAH.. orelse just skip them.

ALLAH AZZAWAJAL KNOWS BEST

FEE AMANILLAH

 

[saifkhan]

Salam alaikum

may Allah cure her soon
I know how it feels, subhan Allah

I hope she has done her MRI or the lumber region, if not please do it fast.
you can test one thing : just with a stick make some scratches on her feet, similar.
and ask her is the feeling same for the both feet?

if it differs please go to a neurosurgeon.

anyways:
this is 35 page book please read this:

http://abdurrahman.org/qurantafseer/TheVirtuesOfSomeSurahs_ShaikAlbanee.pdf

insha Allah it will be helpful

JazakAllaha khair
wassalam

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:


i had some problems too , like when i stand for prayer i would feel like there is a heavy load on me and beneath my shoulder it feels like someone is tickling me .i had a swere back pain .i did x rays that were clear.when i listened to ruqyaa my back pain went away.i would say if you also try ruqya for her and ALLAH knows best.

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . .

sister i don't know what ruqya is and i don't understand that therapy.

Akhi Al-kashmiri gave me a book to read months ago. i was able to read only one fourth of it. i couldn't read about this ruqya business and now it's almost impossible.

May Allah give you shifa ukhti.

YA UKHTHI..

Khala is mother's sister, so she's my aunty.

Jazakallah khair for the second hadith, My mother said, just like the ashab did something without asking the prophet and it was correct because it was Quraan. So it's alright to recite Quran.

It's not from the sunnah, as far as i know, that why i'm doubtful.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Salam alaikum

may Allah cure her soon
I know how it feels, subhan Allah

I hope she has done her MRI or the lumber region, if not please do it fast.
you can test one thing : just with a stick make some scratches on her feet, similar.
and ask her is the feeling same for the both feet?

if it differs please go to a neurosurgeon.

anyways:
this is 35 page book please read this:

http://abdurrahman.org/qurantafseer/TheVirtuesOfSomeSurahs_ShaikAlbanee.pdf

insha Allah it will be helpful

JazakAllaha khair
wassalam

she did her MRI. Thrice.

twice in pakistan, and once in UK. there is no difference in the results, and also nothing to explain the pain and jerks.

she's been to the neorologist. They are not sure what's wrong. her nerves are not affected by the discs.

Jazakallah khair for the book. If i can ill read it.

wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . .

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

:salam2:

The dua from the Sunnah for pain is mentioned here :-

http://www.islamawareness.net/Dua/Fortress/124.html

Also please read the below :-

Praise be to Allaah.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has taught us things in such cases in which there is healing and a lessening of sickness, as well as reward. That is part of Allaah’s mercy towards this blessed ummah and the Prophet’s care for it. He is the one whom Allaah described as (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty. He (Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) is anxious over you; for the believers (he is) full of pity, kind, and merciful”

[al-Tawbah 9:128]

Among the things that he taught us are the following:

1 – Reciting al-Faatihah

It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) described Soorat al-Faatihah as a ruqyah, and he approved of the Sahaabi who recited it as a ruqyah for the one who had been stung by a scorpion. Al-Bukhaari (2156) and Muslim (2201).

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

There was a time when I fell sick in Makkah, and I could not find a doctor or any medicine, so I treated myself by reciting it. I would take some Zamzam water and recite it over it several times, then drink it. I recovered fully by these means, then I began to do that whenever I felt a lot of pain, and I benefited greatly from it. End quote.

Zaad al-Ma’aad (4/164).

2 – It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that when any of us fell sick, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would wipe him with his right hand then say: “Adhhib il-ba’s, Rabbi l-naas washfi anta al-Shaafi laa shifaa’a illa shifaa’uka shifaa’an laa yughaadir saqaman (Remove the harm, O Lord of mankind and heal him, for You are the Healer and there is no healing except Your healing, with a healing which does not leave any disease behind).”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5675)and Muslim (2191).

3 – It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: If one of his family fell sick, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would blow over him and recite al-Mu’awwidhaat. (Al Falaq and An Naas) When he fell sick with his final illness, I started to blow over him and wipe him with his own hand, because it was more blessed than my hand. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5735) and Muslim (2192).

4 – It was narrated from ‘Uthmaan ibn Abi’l-‘Aas al-Thaqafi that he complained to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about some pain that he had felt in his body since he became Muslim. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: “Put your hand on the part of your body that hurts and say: ‘Bismillaah (in the name of Allaah)’ three times, then say seven times: ‘I seek refuge in Allaah and His Power from the evil of what I find and I fear.’” Narrated by Muslim (2202). (Please refer to my link above)

5 – It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) that Jibreel (peace be upon him) came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: O Muhammad, are you sick? He said: “Yes.” He said: In the name of Allaah I perform ruqyah for you, from everything that is harming you, from the evil of every soul or envious eye may Allaah heal you, in the name of Allaah I perform ruqyah for you. Narrated by Muslim (2186).

6 – It was narrated that Abu’l-Darda’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever among you suffers some sickness, or his brother suffers some sickness, let him say: ‘Our Lord Allaah Who is in heaven, hallowed be Your name, You will is done in heaven and on earth; as Your mercy is in heaven, bestow it upon the earth. Forgive us our sins. You are the Lord of the good. Send down some Your mercy and healing upon this pain,’ and he will be healed.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (3892); classed as saheeh by al-Haakim in al-Mustadrak (4/243) and as hasan by Ibn Taymiyah in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (3/139).

7 – It was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The one who visits a sick person who is not dying, and says seven times in his presence, ‘I ask Allaah the Almighty, the Lord of the Mighty Throne, to heal you,’ Allaah will heal him from that sickness.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (3106); classed as saheeh by al-Nawawi in al-Adhkaar (p. 180) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. (For the arabic please view http://www.islamawareness.net/Dua/Fortress/049.html )

Whilst reciting these ruqyahs over yourself you should wipe your hand over his face, chest and stomach, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to do, and you should sit near your child’s head so that you will be breathing over him as you recite the ruqyah. There is nothing wrong with blowing lightly onto his face with a little saliva whilst doing that.

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

The ruqyah comes from the heart and mouth of the one who is reciting ruqyah, so if it is accompanied with some of his saliva and breath, that will have a stronger effect. End quote.

Zaad al-Ma’aad (4/164).

But over and above all that there must be sincerity towards Allaah in the du’aa’, and sincere turning to Him and humility before Him, and one should seek out the times when prayers are answered, for when a person raises his hand to Allaah in du’aa’, He is reluctant that the person should remain empty-handed. Do not be hasty in seeking a response, for Allaah may delay the answer for a reason that is known to Him, so you should be patient and have certain faith. Remember that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Call upon Allaah when you are certain of receiving a response, and remember that Allaah does not answer a du’aa’ that comes from a heedless heart.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (3479); classed as hasan by al-Shawkaani in Tuhfat al-Shaakireen (68) and by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (594).

Link: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/75399/

Note : Everything in red is my input and not part of the original fatwa.

And I hope someone can contribute the Arabic dua mentioned in #6. JazakAllahu Khayran.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . .

People are advising her with different things, Some tell her to recite a specific part of the quran( some surah or a couple of ayah) in a specific time period, 3,31 etc times.

My Question is, Is this valid practice or is it a form of bidaah.

Please ask them for the evidence. If the practice is not based from the revelation ie Quran and Sunnah, it is for sure a 'bidah'. There is no benefit in these things, as Prophet Muhammad SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam already informed us " Whoever performs an action not in accordance with our command, it is to be rejected. " [Narrated by Muslim].

Therefore, please ask and verify the claims of these people. It is impossible that the common people (or even learned person) has found a way to treat sick people from the Quran better than our Prophet SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam and what was practiced by his noble companions (May Allah be pleased with them). So we should stick to what we know from the Quran and Sunnah and reject all other innovations.

'Abdullaah Ibn 'Umar (radi allahu anhu) said,


"Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good."


Related by Ad-Darimee, Abu Shamaah (no. 39), Ibn Nasr in as-Sunnah (no. 82), al-Laalikaa'ee in Sharh Usoolul-Ftiqaad (no. 126) & Sharh I'tiqad Ahl as-Sunnah (1/92), and by al-Bayhaqee in al-Madkhal (no. 191)

 

[thariq2005]

Assalaamu `alaykkum, people should be a tiny bit careful before labelling things as "bid`ah". It is better to not give out fataawa about so and so being bid`ah, unless we have mastered the usool of Bid`ah and other sciences and at the level of doing Ijtihaad.

Having said that, generally in the chapter of ruqyah a person is allowed to recite from any part of the Qur'aan (although some verses from the Qur'aan are particularly indicated by the sunnah for diseases, black magic, evil eye etc). And this is based on the words of Allaah Subhaanah: “And We send down of the Qur’aan that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe”[al-Isra’ 17:82]

Ibn Qayyim rahimahullaah said:

Allaah says “And We send down of the Qur’aan that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe”. The correct view is that the word min (translated here as “of”) serves to explain the nature of the Qur’aan as a whole, not to refer to parts of it and not other parts.

What is not permissible is to specify a number to a soorah (like for example: Recite Soorah Ya-seen 5 times and likes of this statement) that which the Messenger of Allaah :Saw2: did not specify, or to say that only a particular soorah is good for back pain, stomach ache when the Messenger of Allaah :Saw2: did not mention it.

So your khaallah can recite from any part of the Qur'aan (though it is recommended to recite the verses indicated by the sunnah like: Soorah al-Faatihah, al-Mi’wadhatayn, Ayatul Kursi etc. And other du`aas which brother BrotherinIslam7 posted).

Allaah knows best, but I think you should stick to sister Khangul's advise. Most of the times, these kind of things are related to black magic, evil eye, jinn possession etc. So, I would really recommend someone who is righteous from your family (or outside) to recite Qur'aan over your Khaallah, or she can recite it herself (and this is better). From the common verses that the Ruqqaa' (people who do ruqyah) use are:


Soorah al Fatihah,

First 5 verses of Soorah Baqarah,

Verses 163-164 of Soorah Baqarah,

Ayatul kursi and 2 ayahs following it,

Last 2 verses of Soorah Baqarah,

Verses 18-19 of Soorah aal 'Imraan

Verses 54-56 of Soorah al 'araaf

Verses 115-118 of Soorah Mu'minoon

Verses 1-10 from Soorah Saaffaat

Verses 33-36 of Soorah Ar Rahmaan

Verses 21-24 of Soorah Hashr

Verses 29-32 of Soorah Ahqaaf

Verses 1-9 from Soorah Jinn

Soorah al Humazah

Soorah ikhlaas, falaq, naas.

Different Raaqis use different verses, so it varies from one raaqi to another. If it is not possible for someone to recite over her, ask her to listen to Ruqyah mp3 (which I have attached below), and inshaa'Allaah things will go fine. If her pain increases when listening to ruqyah mp3 or when someone recites over her, then you can almost be sure that it is jinn related problems.

Most importantly she must have firm belief that the Qur'aan will cure her, and she must first and foremost place complete trust in Allaah `azza wa jall!

P.S For some reason TTI is not letting me upload the mp3, because I have uploaded it on another thread. So here is the link to that post... http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=470058&postcount=5
(You can dowload it from that link inshaa'Allaah)

Wassalaamu `alaykkum

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . ?

:salam2:

The dua from the Sunnah for pain is mentioned here :-

http://www.islamawareness.net/Dua/Fortress/124.html

Also please read the below :-



Link: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/75399/

Note : Everything in red is my input and not part of the original fatwa.

And I hope someone can contribute the Arabic dua mentioned in #6. JazakAllahu Khayran.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

Jazakallah khair for your answer akhi. i'll pass it on Inshaa'Allah.

Please ask them for the evidence. If the practice is not based from the revelation ie Quran and Sunnah, it is for sure a 'bidah'. There is no benefit in these things, as Prophet Muhammad SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam already informed us " Whoever performs an action not in accordance with our command, it is to be rejected. " [Narrated by Muslim].

Therefore, please ask and verify the claims of these people. It is impossible that the common people (or even learned person) has found a way to treat sick people from the Quran better than our Prophet SallAllahu Alleihi Wa Sallam and what was practiced by his noble companions (May Allah be pleased with them). So we should stick to what we know from the Quran and Sunnah and reject all other innovations.

'Abdullaah Ibn 'Umar (radi allahu anhu) said,


"Every innovation is misguidance, even if the people see it as something good."


Related by Ad-Darimee, Abu Shamaah (no. 39), Ibn Nasr in as-Sunnah (no. 82), al-Laalikaa'ee in Sharh Usoolul-Ftiqaad (no. 126) & Sharh I'tiqad Ahl as-Sunnah (1/92), and by al-Bayhaqee in al-Madkhal (no. 191)

Apparantly there is no evidence. She was told to recite surah yaa seen once a week 31 times and surah kahaf on thursdays 3 times.and Also that surah kahaf is to be recited by three people before noon . All these specifications makes me doubt these practices. just feels like sufi things, i don't know why. I asked my mother to find out it's validity from the sunnah and she said it's a part of Quran being recited. there is no harm. so i recite surah ya seen every sunday, but i do it with the intention of revising it. It's not easy to refuse my my mother, when both her and my khaala are desperate for cure and improvement. . .

i talked to my khaala about it today, she said she understood, but she was in pain and i'm not sure she was very attentive to what i was saying. I'll explain it to her again when i see her on eid. hope she's a bit better when i see her.

Barakallah fik!!

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Assalaamu `alaykkum, people should be a tiny bit careful before labelling things as "bid`ah". It is better to not give out fataawa about so and so being bid`ah, unless we have mastered the usool of Bid`ah and other sciences and at the level of doing Ijtihaad.

It was in response to what the sister has mentioned in her opening post and which I have quoted above. Repeating a surah for a fixed number of times in a specific part of the day. If such a thing is not proven from the the revelation or practices of Sahaba (May Allah be pleased with them), it constitutes a bidah. What sort of Ijtihaad do you need to perform in such a case ?

I was not giving out a fatwah (as a layman I have no intention of indulging in it) rather informing her that it needs to be on basis of Quran and Sunnah if it were to be read for sickness a certain number of times and/or in a certain time period.

Also, Could you contribute the Arabic text of the dua mentioned in #6 of the fatwah from IslamQA ? BarakAllahu Feek.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Assalaamu `alaykkum,


Soorah al Fatihah,

First 5 verses of Soorah Baqarah,

Verses 163-164 of Soorah Baqarah,

Ayatul kursi and 2 ayahs following it,

Last 2 verses of Soorah Baqarah,

Verses 18-19 of Soorah aal 'Imraan

Verses 54-56 of Soorah al 'araaf

Verses 115-118 of Soorah Mu'minoon

Verses 1-10 from Soorah Saaffaat

Verses 33-36 of Soorah Ar Rahmaan

Verses 21-24 of Soorah Hashr

Verses 29-32 of Soorah Ahqaaf

Verses 1-9 from Soorah Jinn

Soorah al Humazah

Soorah ikhlaas, falaq, naas.


P.S For some reason TTI is not letting me upload the mp3, because I have uploaded it on another thread. So here is the link to that post... http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=470058&postcount=5
(You can dowload it from that link inshaa'Allaah)

Wassalaamu `alaykkum

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu. . .

Jazakallah khairan kaseera. i was about to ask for all what this ruqya is and how it's done.

i'll note down the surahs and ayahs. because internet will not be available in my village. So i guess i'll mail the link to her after asking her if she can manage it.

since her tests are all clear, Some do say it could be something other than physical abnormality. She went to some lady who told her someone did some magic on her. i don't know what happened, or what did that lady ask her to do, or give her. I just heard this bit that this pain may be coz of spells. Wallahualam.

 

[thariq2005]

It was in response to what the sister has mentioned in her opening post and which I have quoted above. Repeating a surah for a fixed number of times in a specific part of the day. If such a thing is not proven from the the revelation or practices of Sahaba (May Allah be pleased with them), it constitutes a bidah. What sort of Ijtihaad do you need to perform in such a case ?

I was not giving out a fatwah (as a layman I have no intention of indulging in it) rather informing her that it needs to be on basis of Quran and Sunnah if it were to be read for sickness a certain number of times and/or in a certain time period.

Also, Could you contribute the Arabic text of the dua mentioned in #6 of the fatwah from IslamQA ? BarakAllahu Feek.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

Wa `alaykkum salaaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh, lol no I was not referring to you, I was just giving an advanced note.

Here is the arabic...

رَبّنَا الَّلهُ الذِي فِي السَّمَاءِ ، تَقَدَّسَ اسمُكَ ، أَمرُكَ فِي السَّمَاءِ وَالأَرْضِ ، كَمَا رَحمَتُكَ فِي السَّمَاءِ فَاجْعَلْ رَحْمَتَكَ فِي الأَرْضِ ، اغفِر لَنَا حَوْبَنَا وَخَطَايَانَا ، أَنتَ رَبُّ الطَّيِّبِينَ ، أَنزِلْ رَحْمَةً مِن رَحمَتِكَ ، وَشِفَاءً مِن شِفَائِكَ عَلَى هَذَا الوَجَعِ