Islam spread by sword?

newusman

Muslim
salam alikum.
InshAllah I am planning to give a persuasive speech (8-9 mins long) for my Public Speaking course at college on "Was Islam spread by the sword?".

I have watched videos by Sheikh Ahmad Deedat and Dr Zakir Naik tackling these question.
In order to make my speech solid I would like your help.

1)I am searching for authentic statistics on the spread of Islam over the past couple of years in the west, I would highly appreciate it if someone can provide me with such stats.

2) I am sure I will be asked if Islam was not spread by the sword then why did Muslims conquer Spain,India, Persia, how should i tackle that?

3) Should I talk about Jihaad in my speech as well?

4) Do you recommend any particular historical account that I should concisely talk about in order to prove my point?

JazakAllah khyar
 

mhamzah

Junior Member
:salam2:

You can go through these documentaries as well, if you have got time constraint than the one I’ll recommend is ‘When the moors ruled in Europe’

http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&intSectionID=550

Muslims ruled over India for about 1,000 years.

Population of; India: 1.17 Billion ,
Population of; Pakistan: 160 Million
Population of; Bangladesh: 150 Million

Combined Total Poulation: 1,480 Million

Muslim population of India: 150 Million ; About 15%
Muslim population of Pakistan: 150 Million - About 95%
Muslim population of bangladesh: 135 Million - About 90%
Combined Muslim Population: 435 Million

% of Muslim Population: About 30%

:wasalam:
 

abulzan07

Junior Member
:salam2:

I give you best answer of this......if you say this people would be speechless

Islam was spread by the sword and intolerant of other faiths.

That’s really shocked me to death how can people even think about it if you think even for minute you will see how false this claim is!! Let me tell you Indonesia have got biggest Muslim population of the world can any one tell me which Muslim army went there??? And last thing we all knows Muslim rules Spain for 800 years if we would have spread Islam by sword then everyone in Spain today would be Muslim but its not hardly 2% are Muslim. A survey was done by plain truth magazine in 1986 to calculate which religion spread fastest in the time period of 1934-1984 span of 50years according to them Islam grows by 235% and Christianity by 47% can any tell me which war happens between that time by which Islam grows 235%???

Another thing Islam is so practical religion that this claims is itself prove wrong its not like other religion pray wherever whenever you want but its ways of life more than religion so even if you make person Muslims by sword you tell me who will be on his head 5 times a days to pray so its so false and baseless claim it can be for other religion but not for Islam because its practical religion you have to follow it 24*7.Allah swt clearly mention this thing in Quran "There is no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction is distinctly clear from error". (2:256).

It is a function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. Did you ever heard Jews attack in Iran where they live in big population, Lebanon have got big Christian population did you ever heard Muslim attack Christians there even the government is not Islamic but still they gave rights to non Muslims like Muslims and they are protected

Islamic law also permits non-Muslim minorities to set up their own courts, which implement family laws drawn up by the minorities themselves. The life and property of all citizens in an Islamic state are considered sacred whether the person is Muslim or not.

Racism or intolerance towards other due to their color, race, nationality, and religion is not a part of Islam, the Quran speaks only of human equality and how all peoples are equal in the sight of God. "O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in God's sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (49:13)
 

newusman

Muslim
JazakAllah khayr for all ur replies

I went to my professor today to talk about my topic.
Well in order to strengthen my point I would have to cover why Muslims conquered other land and what role did jihad play in converting people to Islam?

can someone please help me with this.
 

fada_all

Junior Member
JazakAllah khayr for all ur replies

I went to my professor today to talk about my topic.
Well in order to strengthen my point I would have to cover why Muslims conquered other land and what role did jihad play in converting people to Islam?

can someone please help me with this.



salam alikom


sister im sorry if i offend you..anyway.. but i think you are not sure yourself of this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could you convince other people.........................?
 

PARVEZ SHAHIDI

Junior Member
:salam2:

You can go through these documentaries as well, if you have got time constraint than the one I’ll recommend is ‘When the moors ruled in Europe’

http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&intSectionID=550

Muslims ruled over India for about 1,000 years.

Population of; India: 1.17 Billion ,
Population of; Pakistan: 160 Million
Population of; Bangladesh: 150 Million

Combined Total Poulation: 1,480 Million

Muslim population of India: 150 Million ; About 15%
Muslim population of Pakistan: 150 Million - About 95%
Muslim population of bangladesh: 135 Million - About 90%
Combined Muslim Population: 435 Million

% of Muslim Population: About 30%

:wasalam:

:salam2:
And you can say that Muslim ruled India for about 500 years. If they wanted could have forced every person to accept Islam.
I also heard that some Muslim rulers in India prevented general public to convert to Islam because they said that Islam is only for Arabs.

Also Muslim ruled Spain for 700 years and majority of them are Christan.
:wasalam:
 

mhamzah

Junior Member
salam alikom


sister im sorry if i offend you..anyway.. but i think you are not sure yourself of this point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could you convince other people.........................?


:salam2:

Slight correction ... He is a brother ... I know it can be confusing lol

:wasalam:
 

mhamzah

Junior Member
Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Prophet Muhammad, (pbuh)


"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind....I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
[Young India]

:wasalam:
 

fada_all

Junior Member
:salam2:

Slight correction ... He is a brother ... I know it can be confusing lol

:wasalam:




wa alikom assalam


oh sorry brother im awfully very sorry , its happens to me many times a lot called me a brother ..... thanks so much

jazak allah khir katir.............:)
 

mhamzah

Junior Member
wa alikom assalam
oh sorry brother im awfully very sorry , its happens to me many times a lot called me a brother ..... thanks so much
jazak allah khir katir.............:)

:salam2:

You don't have to be sorry, I hope he won't mind.

I wasn't sure either so I checked his profile, just to get it right. I have been called sister many times,..... still haven't managed to figure that out though lol.

:wasalam:
 

safiya58

Junior Member
JazakAllah khayr for all ur replies

I went to my professor today to talk about my topic.
Well in order to strengthen my point I would have to cover why Muslims conquered other land and what role did jihad play in converting people to Islam?

can someone please help me with this.

:salam2:

inshaallah you will be successfull with your speech :)

everytime when someone is blaming the muslims of beeing violent, terrorist backstabed or whatever I´m so angry my blood is boiling. brother Ayman
explained the meaning of jihad very well. jazak Allahu ckair btw.

Jihad means struggle and this struggle can lead to war... but we don´t consider it as a holy war... only the peace for which we fight is holly for us....!

was it the muslims or the christians who invented the "holly war?" who killed true to the motto " Deus lo vult- God wants it" more than 4 million muslims and also jews? I´m talking about the cursades.

it was not the muslims who cursaded, who colonized, who started worldwar 1 and 2....

I don´t know much about historry... but in our history even when there are bad things making us may feel ashamed also there are many good things making us proud... but I don´t believe that our ancestors was that brutal like the westerns...

the territorial expansions of the muslim dynasties, between 7 and 17. century, may was lead by the sword... like the expansions of european forces aswell.... but muslim conquerors never tried to force christians or jews to become muslim, nor to dispel them nor to exterminate them.....! where as the christian inquisition burned ppl of another believe at the stake....!

the jews lived much more happy under the rule of muslims than under christian rule....! I doubt that there is one single person no matter where he is from will claim the opposite...

our proud and principles was tolerance and condonation towards them and theirs was and is to demonstrate power over us. they kill, rape and turtore but Allahu Akbar.... He has the power and He will take the revange...

I hope there is another sister or brother who has more clue about historry and can answer why the muslims conquered other lands but it has nothing to do with a "holy war"...


:wasalam:
 

salahdin

Junior Member
Here are some quotes about Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as described by some Non-Muslim Intellectuals of their time.

Thomas Carlyle in 'Heroes and Hero Worship and the Heroic in History' 1840

"The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only."
"A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."

A. S. Tritton in 'Islam,' 1951

The picture of the Muslim soldier advancing with a sword in one hand and the Qur'an in the other is quite false.

De Lacy O'Leary in 'Islam at the Crossroads,' London, 1923.

History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.
Gibbon in 'The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' 1823
The good sense of Muhammad despised the pomp of royalty. The Apostle of God submitted to the menial offices of the family; he kindled the fire; swept the floor; milked the ewes; and mended with his own hands his shoes and garments. Disdaining the penance and merit of a hermit, he observed without effort of vanity the abstemious diet of an Arab.

Edward Gibbon and Simon Oakley in ‘History of the Saracen Empire,’ London, 1870
"The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was effected by sheer moral force."
“It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran....The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. ‘I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God’ is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.”

Reverend Bosworth Smith in 'Muhammad and Muhammadanism,' London, 1874.
"Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."
"In Mohammadanism every thing is different here. Instead of the shadowy and the mysterious, we have history....We know of the external history of Muhammad....while for his internal history after his mission had been proclaimed, we have a book absolutely unique in its origin, in its preservation....on the Substantial authority of which no one has ever been able to cast a serious doubt."

Edward Montet, 'La Propagande Chretienne et ses Adversaries Musulmans,' Paris 1890. (Also in T.W. Arnold in 'The Preaching of Islam,' London 1913.)
"Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the widest sense of this term considered etymologically and historically....the teachings of the Prophet, the Qur'an has invariably kept its place as the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur a majesty, an invariable purity and with a note of sure conviction, which it is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam....A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess and does indeed possess a marvelous power of winning its way into the consciences of men











Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in 'Young India,'1924.
I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.



Alphonse de LaMartaine in 'Historie de la Turquie,' Paris, 1854.
"Never has a man set for himself, voluntarily or involuntarily, a more sublime aim, since this aim was superhuman; to subvert superstitions which had been imposed between man and his Creator, to render God unto man and man unto God; to restore the rational and sacred idea of divinity amidst the chaos of the material and disfigured gods of idolatry, then existing. Never has a man undertaken a work so far beyond human power with so feeble means, for he (Muhammad) had in the conception as well as in the execution of such a great design, no other instrument than himself and no other aid except a handful of men living in a corner of the desert. Finally, never has a man accomplished such a huge and lasting revolution in the world, because in less than two centuries after its appearance, Islam, in faith and in arms, reigned over the whole of Arabia, and conquered, in God's name, Persia Khorasan, Transoxania, Western India, Syria, Egypt, Abyssinia, all the known continent of Northern Africa, numerous islands of the Mediterranean Sea, Spain, and part of Gaul.
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws, and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples, dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and the souls.
"On the basis of a Book, every letter which has become law, he created a spiritual nationality which blend together peoples of every tongue and race. He has left the indelible characteristic of this Muslim nationality the hatred of false gods and the passion for the One and Immaterial God. This avenging patriotism against the profanation of Heaven formed the virtue of the followers of Muhammad; the conquest of one-third the earth to the dogma was his miracle; or rather it was not the miracle of man but that of reason.
"The idea of the unity of God, proclaimed amidst the exhaustion of the fabulous theogonies, was in itself such a miracle that upon it's utterance from his lips it destroyed all the ancient temples of idols and set on fire one-third of the world. His life, his meditations, his heroic revelings against the superstitions of his country, and his boldness in defying the furies of idolatry, his firmness in enduring them for fifteen years in Mecca, his acceptance of the role of public scorn and almost of being a victim of his fellow countrymen... This dogma was twofold the unity of God and the immateriality of God: the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.
"Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Conqueror of Ideas, Restorer of Rational beliefs.... The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

Reverend Bosworth Smith in 'Muhammad and Muhammadanism,' London, 1874.
"Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."
"In Mohammadanism every thing is different here. Instead of the shadowy and the mysterious, we have history....We know of the external history of Muhammad....while for his internal history after his mission had been proclaimed, we have a book absolutely unique in its origin, in its preservation....on the Substantial authority of which no one has ever been able to cast a serious doubt."

Edward Montet, 'La Propagande Chretienne et ses Adversaries Musulmans,' Paris 1890. (Also in T.W. Arnold in 'The Preaching of Islam,' London 1913.)
"Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the widest sense of this term considered etymologically and historically....the teachings of the Prophet, the Qur'an has invariably kept its place as the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur a majesty, an invariable purity and with a note of sure conviction, which it is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam....A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess and does indeed possess a marvelous power of winning its way into the consciences of men."
 

mahdi

Junior Member
salam

JazakAllah khayr for all ur replies

I went to my professor today to talk about my topic.
Well in order to strengthen my point I would have to cover why Muslims conquered other land and what role did jihad play in converting people to Islam?

can someone please help me with this.

First of all, Explain what jihad means, because Jihad is not just a War, but a struggle, and also explain when muslims are allowed to wage jihad. secondly, explain that forcing someone to accept Islam is it self Haram, because in order to be a muslim, you have to believe it in your heart. and lastly explain that, conquering a place doesnt mean that you force you religion upon others, I think why muslims conquered was because at that time, you either conquered or you will be conquered, and i don't think Muslims conquering lands was different then westerners or chinesses conquering muslims. this is how things were at those times.
 

sigit.up

Member
Islam spread in peace

:salam2:
Bismillahirrohmanirrohiim
In the nama of Allah The Most Beneficent, The Most Mercifull
Brothers and sisters, as long as we know Islam come to Indonesia and south east asia by peacefully and harmony.The muslim pioneer trade , communicate beside teach and show what islam is to local people whom religion were hinduist or Buddhist.The most popular muslim pioneer were Wali Songo.They taught Islam by bring and mix local culture such as music , puppet, architecht.Their heritage can we see now.
Now I am proud to be peacefully muslim who spread rahmat lil alaminn insya allah
:wasalam:
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Wa Islam didn't spread to India by force. Muslim merchants went to India and China to trade. They were interested in Indian spices and Chinese silk and paper. Indians who observed the utter integrity of Muslim merchants and their goodness, grace, righteousness and devotion were so impressed with these merchants that they accepted Islam.

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The same Muslim Arab merchants came to Acheh (you know where tsunami struck) nothern tip of Sumatera (Indonesia) and then they proceeded to Malacca (small state in Malaysia). The strait of Malacca was named after this state. When the Ruler of this state met Muslim Arab trader, he reverted to Islam and changed his name to Sultan Mansor Shah. All his subjects also reverted. Then the whole Malaya (now Malaysia) became an Islamic state. Due to this, Malacca became the first point of colonialisation by this 3 monsters, Portugese, Dutch and the British.

No force, no sword scared the native ppl of Malaya at that time into Islam. Same happened to neighbouring Indonesia which started from Acheh.
 
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