ISLAMIC???
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island muslim
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Salaam Alaiykum,
In my opinion Islamic country should have a khilafah and rule by shariah, nothing more nothing less.
In my opinion Islamic country should have a khilafah and rule by shariah, nothing more nothing less.
cmelbouzaidi
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Salaam Alaiykum,
In my opinion Islamic country should have a khilafah and rule by shariah, nothing more nothing less.
:salam2: Interesting topic, Jazak Allahu Khair. Would it be safe to say that no such country exists today?
Excuse my terrible ignorance
but could you define "khalifah", please, Island Muslim. Jazak Allahu Khair.
Salamalaykum,
Agree with brother Island Muslim.
Brother Khalifath we can clearly c during the period our four chalip any country who rule according to the laws of Quran and Suunah. This is to my lil understanding and knowledge rest Allah knows the best for more details have a look at the life ur four chalip and how they rule.
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Jazak Allah.
Agree with brother Island Muslim.
Brother Khalifath we can clearly c during the period our four chalip any country who rule according to the laws of Quran and Suunah. This is to my lil understanding and knowledge rest Allah knows the best for more details have a look at the life ur four chalip and how they rule.
*link removed* Hope this link can help u. Pls be rem me in ur duwas.
Jazak Allah.
nyerekareem
abdur-rahman
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i think that there are some countries that try to implement the shari'ah, but western influences and western loving muslims have placed an impediment on those muslim nations. those are only a few countries. sadly, too many muslim majority countries have let the western ideology of democracy replace or make the shari'ah as inferior:astag:. the leaders of these countries love the power of the dunya and in turn have been willing to throw the shari'ah by the wayside. we even have muslims calling the shari'ah as barbaric!!! the shari'ah is the law of ALLAH SWT. how can you have muslims saying that democracy is better? critics of the shari'ah always mention the punishments of the shari'ah but they never mention about the rights that the shari'ah uphold. truthfully the only ones that have problems with the shari'ah are the ones that commit zinaa, liars, homosexuality, thieves, murderers, rapists, other sins and by muslims that have abandoned quran and sunnah. as an american, i obey the laws of the land, but i still maintain that the shari'ah is the only law truly accepted by ALLAH SWT. but sadly, so many muslims have been so concerned about not being liked by the unbelievers, or so embarrassed about the shari'ah, that they have even publicly denied it and referred to the shari'ah as " outdated " it's most unfortunate indeed.
i think that there are some countries that try to implement the shari'ah, but western influences and western loving muslims have placed an impediment on those muslim nations. those are only a few countries. sadly, too many muslim majority countries have let the western ideology of democracy replace or make the shari'ah as inferior:astag:. the leaders of these countries love the power of the dunya and in turn have been willing to throw the shari'ah by the wayside. we even have muslims calling the shari'ah as barbaric!!! the shari'ah is the law of ALLAH SWT. how can you have muslims saying that democracy is better? critics of the shari'ah always mention the punishments of the shari'ah but they never mention about the rights that the shari'ah uphold. truthfully the only ones that have problems with the shari'ah are the ones that commit zinaa, liars, homosexuality, thieves, murderers, rapists, other sins and by muslims that have abandoned quran and sunnah. as an american, i obey the laws of the land, but i still maintain that the shari'ah is the only law truly accepted by ALLAH SWT. but sadly, so many muslims have been so concerned about not being liked by the unbelievers, or so embarrassed about the shari'ah, that they have even publicly denied it and referred to the shari'ah as " outdated " it's most unfortunate indeed.
there is no Khilafah at the Moment and there is no such thing called Saudi Model or "Iranian" Model looooooool or Pakistani Model, Or Chinese Model, or Morrocan Model, Or Turkish Model etc. lol subhan'Allah, where did you get this nonsence from?
When we Muslims can Agree upon the Quran and the Sunnah in the Understanding of the first 3 generations of the Muslims then we can talk about a Khilaafah. We don't unite upon falsehood only upon the truth
As for Islamic countries then yes we have Islamic/Muslim countries where the majority of the people are muslims and the leaders of those countries are Muslims.
When we Muslims can Agree upon the Quran and the Sunnah in the Understanding of the first 3 generations of the Muslims then we can talk about a Khilaafah. We don't unite upon falsehood only upon the truth
As for Islamic countries then yes we have Islamic/Muslim countries where the majority of the people are muslims and the leaders of those countries are Muslims.
cmelbouzaidi
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Jazak Allahu Khair Brother Saif and Brother Mymohsin. Nicely explained
Jazak Allahu Khair Brother Saif and Brother Mymohsin. Nicely explained
:salam2:
subhanAllah, many uasers have answers about everything, they dont need to quote scholars, when we talk about any subject, or about any question , they have answers, they dont fear Allah and say " i dont know" , which many scholars say when they dont know, they dont fear Allah, just saying " in my opinion".
this makes me sad.
this thread is closed, like many other threads with many " in my opinion" and "i think".
salam
subhanAllah, many uasers have answers about everything, they dont need to quote scholars, when we talk about any subject, or about any question , they have answers, they dont fear Allah and say " i dont know" , which many scholars say when they dont know, they dont fear Allah, just saying " in my opinion".
this makes me sad
.this thread is closed, like many other threads with many " in my opinion" and "i think".
salam
Bismillaah,
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah.
May Allaah reward Ayman for closing this thread! I agree with him in totality; however I saw a need to add some general advice. The fact is brothers and sisters, this question often does pop-up, as well as other similar ones. If you look at the initial question, the brother was asking what defines a land as being Islamic or not. Instead of correctly explaining that the abodes/lands are split into Daar ul-Islaam (lands of Islaam) and Daar ul-Kufr (lands of disbelief, which has sub-divisions), we instead see people passing their opinions, as if they constitute Islamic knowledge. As for whether people were right or wrong, then that's insignificant since the main concern is to speak based upon sure knowledge.
This religion is based upon knowledge, from the book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Prophet, sal-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam (and the consensus of the salaf). It is not based upon "I think", "In my opinion" or making broad conclusions. Rather, knowledge is a) Allaah said and b) His Messenger said. With that in mind, I think we can stop passing our opinions, as that could lead to passing fataawaa, which leads to ones own destruction. One of the signs of the final hour is the people taking ignorant ones as their leaders, who will "be astray, leading others astray". Do we really want to start behaving like these doomed people? I hope not.
May Allaah shower His mercy on Imaam Maalik, who when asked a number of questions to which he did not posses an answer, he humbly replied "I don't know". The questioner was shocked and asked Imaam Maalik what he should tell his people (in light of Imaam Maalik's honour and knowledge). Again, Imaam Maalik replied, "Tell them that Maalik Ibn Anas does not know"! If someone of his status and knowledge was able to say he didn't know, then why is it that the laymen some 1150 or so years later, who don't possess an atoms worth of knowledge or good compared to Maalik, can't help but to pass their opinions?! What makes the matter worse is that no one was asked specifically, rather the question was general to whomsoever could provide an informative, knowledge-based response. So we were not even obliged to respond, nor were we DIRECTLY asked to, in which case it would have been more understandable (yet still incorrect in this situatuon) to start stating our opinions.
Don't take me wrong, I'm not advising the people not to contribute, rather I'm asking them to contribute only to what they are able to. It's a well known fact that you cannot give what you do not possess, so why even bother trying to answer questions pertaining topics that you do not posses shar`i knowledge of? Also, you may posses knowledge in one affair but not another, that is the case with all of us here and it is perfectly normal. So again this is not the problem.
One of the Salaf said, "Saying 'I don't know' is one halve of knowledge" So let's inshaa' Allaah bare this in mind and behave like those who were upon the truth who came before us, instead of taking the way of these modern writers, jourlanists, columnists who waffle about everything as if to sound intelligent.
And to Heegaan, in response to your question I say that different factors define what make an abode Islamic or not. Some of the scholars made the hearing of the athaan (call to prayer) one of the defining characteristics for an abode of Islaam. The reason for this is because there is an authentic hadeeth in Saheeh Al-Bukhaaree which states that when the Prophet, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam and his companions were on expeditions, they would wait to hear the athaan before attacking a place. If they heard the athaan, the place as excused, if not then they would attack. However, I seriously suggest you don't limit your understanding on this issue to what I have stated, rather I seriously suggest you listen to the duroos of Shaykh Khaalid Al-`Anbaree which can be found on this thread here. There are also some good books by the scholars on the issue, PM me for details.
Lastly, I want to say that this advise is not specific to those who responded to this thread, rather the problem is that the issue is an intcrate one that has been raised so many times and has always, always closed due to the ignorance of some users and their opinions. The same happened now, so I thought that I would give a longer and hopefully better advice this time round.
Baarak Allaahu feekum,
Was-salaam
As-salaamu `alaykum warahmatullaah.
May Allaah reward Ayman for closing this thread! I agree with him in totality; however I saw a need to add some general advice. The fact is brothers and sisters, this question often does pop-up, as well as other similar ones. If you look at the initial question, the brother was asking what defines a land as being Islamic or not. Instead of correctly explaining that the abodes/lands are split into Daar ul-Islaam (lands of Islaam) and Daar ul-Kufr (lands of disbelief, which has sub-divisions), we instead see people passing their opinions, as if they constitute Islamic knowledge. As for whether people were right or wrong, then that's insignificant since the main concern is to speak based upon sure knowledge.
This religion is based upon knowledge, from the book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Prophet, sal-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam (and the consensus of the salaf). It is not based upon "I think", "In my opinion" or making broad conclusions. Rather, knowledge is a) Allaah said and b) His Messenger said. With that in mind, I think we can stop passing our opinions, as that could lead to passing fataawaa, which leads to ones own destruction. One of the signs of the final hour is the people taking ignorant ones as their leaders, who will "be astray, leading others astray". Do we really want to start behaving like these doomed people? I hope not.
May Allaah shower His mercy on Imaam Maalik, who when asked a number of questions to which he did not posses an answer, he humbly replied "I don't know". The questioner was shocked and asked Imaam Maalik what he should tell his people (in light of Imaam Maalik's honour and knowledge). Again, Imaam Maalik replied, "Tell them that Maalik Ibn Anas does not know"! If someone of his status and knowledge was able to say he didn't know, then why is it that the laymen some 1150 or so years later, who don't possess an atoms worth of knowledge or good compared to Maalik, can't help but to pass their opinions?! What makes the matter worse is that no one was asked specifically, rather the question was general to whomsoever could provide an informative, knowledge-based response. So we were not even obliged to respond, nor were we DIRECTLY asked to, in which case it would have been more understandable (yet still incorrect in this situatuon) to start stating our opinions.
Don't take me wrong, I'm not advising the people not to contribute, rather I'm asking them to contribute only to what they are able to. It's a well known fact that you cannot give what you do not possess, so why even bother trying to answer questions pertaining topics that you do not posses shar`i knowledge of? Also, you may posses knowledge in one affair but not another, that is the case with all of us here and it is perfectly normal. So again this is not the problem.
One of the Salaf said, "Saying 'I don't know' is one halve of knowledge" So let's inshaa' Allaah bare this in mind and behave like those who were upon the truth who came before us, instead of taking the way of these modern writers, jourlanists, columnists who waffle about everything as if to sound intelligent.
And to Heegaan, in response to your question I say that different factors define what make an abode Islamic or not. Some of the scholars made the hearing of the athaan (call to prayer) one of the defining characteristics for an abode of Islaam. The reason for this is because there is an authentic hadeeth in Saheeh Al-Bukhaaree which states that when the Prophet, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam and his companions were on expeditions, they would wait to hear the athaan before attacking a place. If they heard the athaan, the place as excused, if not then they would attack. However, I seriously suggest you don't limit your understanding on this issue to what I have stated, rather I seriously suggest you listen to the duroos of Shaykh Khaalid Al-`Anbaree which can be found on this thread here. There are also some good books by the scholars on the issue, PM me for details.
Lastly, I want to say that this advise is not specific to those who responded to this thread, rather the problem is that the issue is an intcrate one that has been raised so many times and has always, always closed due to the ignorance of some users and their opinions. The same happened now, so I thought that I would give a longer and hopefully better advice this time round.
Baarak Allaahu feekum,
Was-salaam
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