Niqaabi Sister Attacked!

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
Assalaam walaikum,

Sweet sister...I learned to walk in heels. If I can..believe me anyone can.
The issue here is sisters who live in the west need to protect themselves more.
For those who live in the US...we have to be constant guard. When we travel use major highways...stop at the busiest fast food place...travel early in the day..on the subways hop on a compartment that has people..make eye contact with a resonable person or two...on a bus..sit close to the driver.
Use common sense...and never never think it could not happen to me.
Women get attacked by women, too. When in public not too much showy jewerly..carry as little as you can in your pocketbooks. And if possible wear your purse across your shoulders.
Me.. I am going to act on my second amendment rights.( Just kidding, FBI, just kidding).


yeah sis i kno the discussion is about defence.i really got messed up about something,some very rude and flthy comment.i realised i need to be loaded:pthought i'd talk to you about it .oh well!!Anywayz i thought i'd ask about the heel weapon coz i may need it someday provided i'm a niqaabi and the world is turning crazy so i asked:)
 

Valerie

Junior Member
Assalaamu alaykum,

what about walking quick, firm and un-worried ? hardly women do use such natural defences. I think Doing something mentioned has insecured results.

Of course. Always try to get away. What he and I were discussing was if someone physically attacks you (Grabbing you, etc). When I first moved to my town (I was.. 13?) my mother and I were walking my dog at night (not so smart, but the dog had to go) and some drunk guy came up and started yelling at me and said I was his wife (I was 13 he was quite drunk). My mom tried to hit him with the dog food dish :)
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I had to call the police last week. It was about 11:00 pm. I heard a knock on the door. I recognized the man as a boyfriend of a neighbor. I opened the door. He was drunk. He grabbed my hand and told me he was the man of the house and was coming in. I jerked loose. I locked the door. The poor drunk sat on a chair on my porch. He was as comfortable as a june bug in a rug. I called the police and asked if they would escort him. When the police arrived he ran off.
I apologized to the police..the officer and I had a good laugh. I was not going to press charges. I told the officer this man was a far cry from my vision of Prince Charming; there was no way I would let him be the man of my house.
I am seriously considering learning how to defend myself using my 2nd Amendement Rights.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Assalamu allaicumu wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu

La wa la huwa wa la kuwata illabillah. There is not better protection than protection and help from Allah. It is really so much shameless act, SubhanAllah, how can they continue with attacking Muslim sisters over thier dressings, Astagfirullah, and how are they intentions. May Allah stop them, and give them what they deserve. ameen summa ameen. If they do not like hijab and niqab how they keep on saying, that it is opressing Muslim women, but SubhanAllah, Allah knows with covering it only rice more our dignity in front of other people. They can not be succesfull with thier tricks, Allah is keeper of everything, and so of every Muslim sister. If Allah protects us, than is His Mercy, and if not than it is test from Allah to us. So, they can not really do nothing, Inshallah.

I only wish to say, that I do not agree with some strictc measures, like wearing pepper or something simular that some sisters and brother have mentioned, because maybe attacker can become more agressive. Responce on violence it couses more violence. We as Muslims needs to be more wiser Inshallah,and find better solution. I feel, if someone would attack me because of my hijaab, I would be afraid to responde to him, because I would be afraid that attacker may become more agressive. We can only ask Protection of Allah.

And I aslo wish to say, that wearing heels is not alowed for Muslim women.I feel I am obligated to say it.

Here is the fatwa, Inshallah.

May Allah forgive me if I said something wrong.:tti_sister:

:wasalam:


What is the ruling on women wearing high heels?


Praise be to Allaah.

Wearing high heels is not permissible because it exposes women to the risk of falling, and we are commanded in sharee’ah to avoid danger in a general sense, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not kill yourselves”

[al-Nisa’ 4:29]

“and do not throw yourselves into destruction”

[al-Baqarah 2:195]

It also makes women look taller than they really are and makes their posteriors appear more prominent, and this is a kind of deception and showing the adornments which the believing woman is forbidden to show, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam)” [al-Noor 24:31]


From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, Majallat al-Buhooth, 9/46.

Moreover, it also makes a woman lean forward (maa’ilah ila al-amaam), so there is the fear that the warning issued to those women who walk with an enticing gait (al-maa’ilaat al-mumilaat) may apply to her too [in the hadeeth which says that such women will never even smell the fragrance of Paradise from afar]. It also harms the back, as has been proven medically. The heels also make a sound which attracts the attention of men and is a temptation to them. We ask Allaah to keep us all safe and sound.



Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
Assalamu allaicumu wa raahmatullah wa barakatuhu



Here is the fatwa, Inshallah.

May Allah forgive me if I said something wrong.:tti_sister:

:wasalam:


What is the ruling on women wearing high heels?


Praise be to Allaah.

Wearing high heels is not permissible because it exposes women to the risk of falling, and we are commanded in sharee’ah to avoid danger in a general sense, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not kill yourselves”

[al-Nisa’ 4:29]

“and do not throw yourselves into destruction”

[al-Baqarah 2:195]

It also makes women look taller than they really are and makes their posteriors appear more prominent, and this is a kind of deception and showing the adornments which the believing woman is forbidden to show, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam)” [al-Noor 24:31]


From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, Majallat al-Buhooth, 9/46.

Moreover, it also makes a woman lean forward (maa’ilah ila al-amaam), so there is the fear that the warning issued to those women who walk with an enticing gait (al-maa’ilaat al-mumilaat) may apply to her too [in the hadeeth which says that such women will never even smell the fragrance of Paradise from afar]. It also harms the back, as has been proven medically. The heels also make a sound which attracts the attention of men and is a temptation to them. We ask Allaah to keep us all safe and sound.



Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

:wasalam:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

now what:confused:??

jazakallah khairan for the fatwa though.adds to my the knowlegde
 

hayat84

I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
it's ashameful!may Allah give to those kafirun what they deserve...
I'm sorry for the sister,but I hope she is better now.<How many roads must a man walk down,before we can call him a man?>Allah Ihdiha in sh Allah:tti_sister:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sorry sisters... I have to wear heels for a medical condition. If I do not wear heels I have to walk with a cane.

We are talking about defending ourselves. It is one thing to contemplate the pros and cons of our actions. It is quite another to fight off a man; we are suggesting ways for sisters who are being attacked by men in daylight to protect themselves.

Honestly, how did this thread end up on a fatawa on wearing heels. This is really sad. A discussion on protecting ourselves and an innoncent statement about high heels and here we go again.

It is time to wake up. Yes, women get attacked all the time. Now..Muslim women are getting attacked in Europe. This discussion is simply about proactive measures.

Can we please stick to the topic before we start getting judgemental and self-righteous. How is your posterior going to matter if you are covered?? I f you are wearing a tightfitting dress and you wear stilletos that has an alluring effect. If you are covered..you still look like a balloon.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
:wasalam:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

now what:confused:??

jazakallah khairan for the fatwa though.adds to my the knowlegde

Assalamu allaicum wa rahamtullah wa barakatuhu

Wa iyaki dear sister

Something what we all should learn on the begining is that we all have responsability toward Allah first, then ourselves, our society, and to be ready to take responsability for every action we take and to see that action as a reflection of the action that belongs to someone else or as a proximate cause to event to something we did or we did not do, for what we will respond when the right time comes.

For this what happened to our sister in Islam, we all are responsible, not directly but indirectly. What and how much we have done to educate ourselves first and then to pass that knowledge on others, how much time we have spent in educateing our society in accepting and understanding that something what is different is not always something from what we should be afraid of, or consider as wrong. Have we learnt to accept others, to be tolerant toward others, have we learnt others the same??? Do we have at all time for that or we all are to much occupated with our own lifes and problems, forgeting that the society and its individuals are also part of us and also one of our main "problems".

What many forget today is that multiculturalism has always presented wealth of one society, but today we find a great resistance to the multicultural and to that what we call "different."

We need to find the cause of some events in our society, to eliminate them properly and never use violence as response to the violence , because we will then just spin in circle without appropriate solutions and changes. Most of us will say that we live in civilized societies, but the truth is that most of us live in nothing less than barbaric societies, and most of us do nothing to change that.

Civilized man is a person who is not forcing " myself", not imagining that he knows everything, the one who is not arrogant, the one who sees collective or comunity as important part in his life, who serves to His Creator, humanity and civilization.

Allah sais in Quran :"Lo! We offered the trust unto the heavens and the earth and the hills, but they shrank from bearing it and were afraid of it. And man assumed it. Lo! he hath proved a tyrant and a fool."(Al-Ahzab, 72).

Let's start to reach the top which weighs each man, and take full responsibility for ourselves and our actions, for others and teach them to do the same or more.

May Allah guide us all. Ameen

Wa allaicumu Sallam wa rahamtullah wa barakatuhu
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Assalaam walaikum,

Sorry sisters... I have to wear heels for a medical condition. If I do not wear heels I have to walk with a cane.

We are talking about defending ourselves. It is one thing to contemplate the pros and cons of our actions. It is quite another to fight off a man; we are suggesting ways for sisters who are being attacked by men in daylight to protect themselves.

Honestly, how did this thread end up on a fatawa on wearing heels. This is really sad. A discussion on protecting ourselves and an innoncent statement about high heels and here we go again.

It is time to wake up. Yes, women get attacked all the time. Now..Muslim women are getting attacked in Europe. This discussion is simply about proactive measures.

Can we please stick to the topic before we start getting judgemental and self-righteous. How is your posterior going to matter if you are covered?? I f you are wearing a tightfitting dress and you wear stilletos that has an alluring effect. If you are covered..you still look like a balloon.


Wa allaicumu salam wa raahmatullah wa baarakatuhu

Dear sister, my intention was to share opinion of Schoolars of Islaam about prohibition of wearing high heels for Muslim women, with the proof from Quran and Sunnah, and we as Muslims should not object it if we can understand the valid reasons behid it. I think sister, that everything is well explined. Walking with high halls it may couse the sound and the attention, as well walking in high halls change the walk of girl that it walks.SubhanAllah, I have seen many girls wearing high halls, and saw it how it looks. I did not said anything for some individual case, but I said in general, how is our duty to say how is from Islam, does not metter if it agaisnt someones opinion and feelings. I belive is not sin for you sister to wear because it is from medical reasons, Inshallah.

And Allah and His Messanger sallahu alayha wa saalam knows the best.

May Allah bless you

:wasalam:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister please know that I respect you very much. Your posts are always meaningful and sincere.

Whereas you discuss the rational aspects of mankind and what is correct and responsible behavior, I, discuss the irrational actions of mankind.

There comes a point where we do have to defend our faith. We have to take action. In this post I am simply and strongly advocating self-defense. We have the means to protect ourselves. Sometimes we can justify throwing the rock.

Multiculturlism is not new. Mankind has traded since time begining. The term in the past was cosmoplitian. The current wave of anger is about greed. These people do not want any diversity. They are running scared that their way of live is over. These people dominated the world until the 1960's. They were in charge and lived on the blood of others. The tide has turned. These are angry irrational mobs.

Common sense lies somewhere in between. I am simply suggesting that we be prepared, as women, to defend the right to live in a peaceful manner. However, should I be attacked, I am prepared.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Assalaam walaikum,

Sister please know that I respect you very much. Your posts are always meaningful and sincere.

Whereas you discuss the rational aspects of mankind and what is correct and responsible behavior, I, discuss the irrational actions of mankind.

There comes a point where we do have to defend our faith. We have to take action. In this post I am simply and strongly advocating self-defense. We have the means to protect ourselves. Sometimes we can justify throwing the rock.

Multiculturlism is not new. Mankind has traded since time begining. The term in the past was cosmoplitian. The current wave of anger is about greed. These people do not want any diversity. They are running scared that their way of live is over. These people dominated the world until the 1960's. They were in charge and lived on the blood of others. The tide has turned. These are angry irrational mobs.

Common sense lies somewhere in between. I am simply suggesting that we be prepared, as women, to defend the right to live in a peaceful manner. However, should I be attacked, I am prepared.


:salam2:

Baarak Allah feekh dear sister for your kind words, from heart.

Alhamdulillah, I agree with you that we should be ready on selfdefense, but we should also educate ourselves with reasons why we have been attacked and why we are attacking others and to try to resolve them on peacefull way. But I think, and Allah is The Witness for everything, that unbelivers will never stop attacking us, Muslims.And in many cases, we Muslims will never stop attacking each others. But still, we have obligation not only to be passive observeres, but active participants of everything around us.

May Allah bless you dear sister and increase always your knowledge and wisdom. ameen summa ameen

:wasalam:
 

Valerie

Junior Member
I don't know.. If my life is in danger, I'm not going to be passive. If someone is hitting me, attempting to injure me or worse, what shoes I'm wearing isn't going to matter (although I'd like to have a heel to give them a good bruise on the top of their foot so I can run... probably kicking off the shoes in the process to run faster). I'm all for resolving things peacefully, but rational discussion and logic isn't going to save me from being stabbed or getting a concussion. Attacking someone because they taunt you isn't right, but when you can't run from a personal, physical attack, you need to try and stop your attacker. That's not even just for Muslim ladies, that's for any woman.
 

TheAuthenticBase

Assalaamu 'alaykum!
I dont think women FIGHTING back is wise, especialy kicking, punching, biting(?) pinching(???) etc.

Buy the pepper spray thingy....

If sisters cant haver it ordered to their house (due to family reasons - bro's saying "why do you want tht!?" etc) then maybe 10 sisters can all chip in and get together and the one who wont have any problems from family members having these sprays ordered to their house, can buy and order the 10 sprays to her house, and then give them to other sisters....

carrying it around most defntly makes one feel safer...

Tho the effect depends on how much u spray on them ... in the pic on the link, i think thts a little exaggerated... But still, very effective as the person gets into a panic frenzy and believes he has been pepper sprayed... Now its the time, if ur a bro, to deck him one around the face... Or, if ur a sis, to run away...

 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Brother...punching, kicking, scratching, biting, works. It is not wise but effetive. One of the funny things in life is there is usually not anyone else around when you need them. And do not forget screaming. You scream the words fire.
 

TheAuthenticBase

Assalaamu 'alaykum!
punching, kicking, scratching, biting etc may work, tho not very wise....

If a guy gets slapped, he will no doubt, FIGHT back...

Just spray and run....

A womans slap, kick, punch etc wont hurt a guy that much... (no disrespect - this is just some naseeha (advice))...

Spray and run - Its simpler and safer...

AS FOR GUYS, THEN MAKE SURE (WHEN USING IT) YOUR HOLDING IT IN UR LEFT HAND, AS AFTER SPRAYING HIM, U WANNA QUICKLY HOOK HIM....

IF ITS IN UR RIGHT HAND, THEN U GOTTA SPRAY HIM, CHANGE UR HANDS, THEN PUNCH HIM <--- THATS LONG! SO JUST KEEP IT IN UR LEFT HAND...

^ naseehah
 

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
punching, kicking, scratching, biting etc may work, tho not very wise....

If a guy gets slapped, he will no doubt, FIGHT back...

Just spray and run....

A womans slap, kick, punch etc wont hurt a guy that much... (no disrespect - this is just some naseeha (advice))...

Spray and run - Its simpler and safer...

AS FOR GUYS, THEN MAKE SURE (WHEN USING IT) YOUR HOLDING IT IN UR LEFT HAND, AS AFTER SPRAYING HIM, U WANNA QUICKLY HOOK HIM....

IF ITS IN UR RIGHT HAND, THEN U GOTTA SPRAY HIM, CHANGE UR HANDS, THEN PUNCH HIM <--- THATS LONG! SO JUST KEEP IT IN UR LEFT HAND...

^ naseehah


i don't kno why that just made me laugh akhi:D!!

jazakallah khairan for the naseeha:pgood one!!

:wasalam:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
 
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