Osama bin Laden is dead, says US

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    Many Non-Muslims also fail to realize that many Muslims were killed at 9/11. They don't understand that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. 9/11 was a horrible day no doubt. May Allah have mercy on all the Muslims who died on 9/11. May Allah have mercy on all Muslims and guide us all, ameen!
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    by 'right' i was referring to the right to do whatever they want. as in they make the law, they tell everybody what to do and how to do it while they are above the law. Nobody can hold them accountable.

    Off course everyone will be held accountable on the day of judgement but if any law, culture, language, way of life or system is to prevail, it can only done through fighting and winning!
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    I hear that people who saw the Osama pics say that a big part of Osama's skull has been blown off with his brains exposed, and that his left eye has been blown off. What kind of bullet do they use? When I heard he was shot in the head, I though he had a small bullet hole in this head or something. When I read the description of those pics, I wonder to myself, what kind of bullet can do that kind of damage? Alhamduillah they decided not to release those pics. I would rather not see these types of pictures.

    But I am curious, how can a bullet do that type of damage? Anyone know?
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    Hollow Point bullets, they explode when they enter your body.
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    Really? Why do they need to go to such high extremes? Wouldn't normal bullets be good enough?
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    These pictures and videos are insane!! Lol how desperate are people to find something to believe in
    Osama was diagnosed with liver failure in the late 90s now you don't have to be a doctor or a med student to know that a person with such illness cannot survive many yrs without having proper dyalisis treatment noting that he was playing hide and seek in Afghanistan and supposedly Pakistan where the medical services are far from superior I would say he probably passed away around the time al Qaeda stopped making videos featuring him... Didn't the media pointed that out a few times during the early 2000s? Did people forget about it? At the end Allahu alam I just keep praying that we are not witnessing another Iraq situation being created. I can already see the early phases of demonizing the enemy and putting ppl against Pakistan. I hope I am wrong :/
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    salaams to all

    please read this, its the actual interview with ObL on 28 Sept 2001:

    We bring to the attention of our readers the following text of Osama bin Laden's interview with Ummat, a Pakistani daily, published in Karachi on September 28, 2001. It was translated into English by the BBC World Monitoring Service and made public on September 29, 2001.

    The authenticity of this interview, which is available in recognized electronic news archives, is confirmed.

    Osama bin Laden categorically denies his involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

    Bin Laden's statements in this interview are markedly different from those made in the alleged Osama video tapes.

    In this interview, Osama expresses his views regarding the loss of life on 9/11. He also makes statements as to who, in his opinion, might be the likely perpetrator of the September 11 attacks.

    This is an important text which has not been brought to the attention of Western public opinion.

    We have highlighted key sections of this interview. It is our hope that the text of this interview, published barely a week before the onset of the war on Afghanistan, will contribute to a better understanding of the history of Al Qaeda, the role of Osama bin Laden and the tragic events of September 11, 2001.


    Michel Chossudovsky, May 9, 2011


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    Full text of September 2001 Pakistani paper's "exclusive" interview with Usamah Bin-Ladin

    Ummat (in Urdu), Karachi, 28 September 2001, pp. 1 and 7.

    Ummat's introduction

    Kabul: Prominent Arab mojahed holy warrior Usamah Bin-Ladin has said that he or his al-Qa'idah group has nothing to do with the 11 September suicidal attacks in Washington and New York. He said the US government should find the attackers within the country. In an exclusive interview with daily "Ummat", he said these attacks could be the act of those who are part of the American system and are rebelling against it and working for some other system. Or, Usamah said, this could be the act of those who want to make the current century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. Or, the American Jews, who are opposed to President Bush ever since the Florida elections, might be the masterminds of this act. There is also a great possibility of the involvement of US intelligence agencies, which need billions of dollars worth of funds every year. He said there is a government within the government in the United States.

    The secret agencies, he said, should be asked as to who are behind the attacks. Usamah said support for attack on Afghanistan was a matter of need for some Muslim countries and compulsion for others. However, he said, he was thankful to the courageous people of Pakistan who erected a bulwark before the wrong forces. He added that the Islamic world was attaching great expectations with Pakistan and, in time of need, "we will protect this bulwark by sacrificing of lives".

    Following is the interview in full detail:


    Ummat: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

    Usamah [Osama bin Laden]: In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the earth as an abode for peace, for the whole mankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and Momin true Muslim people of Pakistan who refused to believe in lie of the demon.

    I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.

    Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.

    There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya, and Bosnia?

    Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims .

    The US has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates.

    However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that, it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of United States, or the latter itself considers them as its enemies. Or the countries, which do not agree to become its slaves, such as China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria, and the former Russia as received .

    Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.

    According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the US government has stated. But the Bush administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be any one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

    Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This funding issue was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger.

    They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usamah and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush administration approved a budget of 40bn dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance.

    Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the US Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other US president, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who made the attacks.

    Ummat: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching an attack on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa'idah declare a jihad against these countries as well?

    Usamah: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want?

    Al-Qa'idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity, particularly to encounter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared element of Islam. The first five being the basic holy words of Islam, prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca, and giving alms Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of it. Al-Qa'idah wants to keep this element alive and active and make it part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country nor we consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad.

    We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel countries, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women, and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the US act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic shari'ah jurisprudence for such individuals, organizations, and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Amir ol-Momenin the commander of the faithful Mola Omar and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.

    Ummat: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the US is not too difficult. US experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is al-Qa'idah not targeting their economic pillars?

    Usamah: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the US is not uttering a single word.

    Ummat: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, inciting the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines, and TV channels.

    Usamah: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim world but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

    Ummat: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources about the network of Al-Qa'idah and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?

    Usamah: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause.

    The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which make us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

    Ummat: What will the impact of the freeze of al-Qa'idah accounts by the US?

    Usamah: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qa'idah or other jihad groups. With the grace of Allah, al-Qa'idah has more than three such alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path.

    These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qa'idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

    Ummat: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jihad?

    Usamah: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usamah but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there was no Usamah and it will remain as such even when Usamah is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property, and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the after life. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

    Ummat: What do you say about the Pakistan government policy on Afghanistan attack?

    Usamah: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the wrong forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized, and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedin and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defence of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who rules Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.



    Copyright Ummat in Urdu, BBC translation in English, 2001


    now, who do you think is lying?
    Usama or the the west?

    and Allah ta'ala knows best
    jazakallah
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    Assalaam walaikum,

    The only thing I can add is please do not use the generic term west. The Muslims who live here are sensitive to it.

    We all know the media is lying. We know the government lies.

    However, the people are not liars. The American people are ignorant of what their government has done in the name of freedom. What ever the word freedom means to them.

    We can not fly. Now they are going to TSA the rail system. We have border patrol on the highways. Check out what FEMA has done. There are no jobs. People are running each other over with cars for jobs at McDonalds.

    But there are departments within state governments to serve the needs of Israel.

    Most Americans are unaware. They are sleepwalking life.
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    I agree with sis Aapa.

    Here is also European muslims. We too listen false news daily.

    Actually we don´t believe them.

    We aren´t stupid here.

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    Assalamu'alaykum,

    Its okay to speak for yourself Aapa, but for the rest of us? Nope. Im not sensitive to the term at all.
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    :salam2:

    So I am sensitive as Aapa too. This matter is in every islamic forums now and most of them Bin Laden has became hero of muslims AFTER his death.
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    In one Palestinian forum where I am super moderator I opened kind of discussion - I knew someone open it and if it is me I can keep it controlled.
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    I didn´t see here any thread as Al-Qaida/Bin Laden is great Islamic Hero before.

    Shame you now think he was hero.
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    Terrorism is evil and what those people did on 9-11 was evil. If they do not get their reward in this life they will get their punishment in the next.
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    Osama and his friends are murderers and should be called such. Shame on them!
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    Osama's son, Omar bin Laden, responds to death of his dad:


    WASHINGTON — The adult sons of Osama bin Laden have lashed out at President Obama over their father’s death, accusing the United States of violating its basic legal principles by killing an unarmed man, shooting his family members and disposing of his body in the sea.
    The statement said the family was asking why the leader of Al Qaeda “was not arrested and tried in a court of law so that truth is revealed to the people of the world.” Citing the trials of Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic, the statement questioned “the propriety of such assassination where not only international law has been blatantly violated,” but the principles of presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial were ignored.
    “We maintain that arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems,” the statement said, adding that “justice must be seen to be done.”
    The statement, prepared at the direction of Omar bin Laden, a son who had publicly denounced his father’s terrorism, was provided to The New York Times by Jean Sasson, an American author who helped the younger Bin Laden write a 2009 memoir, “Growing Up bin Laden.” A shorter, slightly different statement was posted on a jihadist Web site Tuesday.
    Omar bin Laden, 30, lived with his father in Afghanistan until 1999, when he left with his mother, Najwa bin Laden, who co-wrote the memoir. In the book and other public statements, the younger bin Laden denounced violence of all kinds, a stance he repeated in the sons’ statement to The Times. None of Osama bin Laden’s sons other than Omar was named in the statement, so it was unclear exactly who else had approved the message.
    “We want to remind the world that Omar bin Laden, the fourth-born son of our father, always disagreed with our father regarding any violence and always sent messages to our father, that he must change his ways and that no civilians should be attacked under any circumstances,” the statement said. “Despite the difficulty of publicly disagreeing with our father, he never hesitated to condemn any violent attacks made by anyone, and expressed sorrow for the victims of any and all attacks.”
    Condemning the shooting of one of the Qaeda leader’s wives during the assault on May 2 in Abbottabad, Pakistan, the statement added: “As he condemned our father, we now condemn the president of the United States for ordering the execution of unarmed men and women.”
    The sons’ statement called on the government of Pakistan to hand over to family members the three wives and several children of the terrorist now believed to be in Pakistani custody and asked for a United Nations investigation of the circumstances of their father’s death.
    In addition to the statement, Ms. Sasson shared with The Times notes on what Omar bin Laden, who declined to be interviewed directly, has told her by phone in recent days. The notes describe Mr. bin Laden’s struggle, as he came of age, to understand and eventually reject his father’s embrace of religious violence.
    Mr. bin Laden told Ms. Sasson the death of his father “has affected this family in much the same way as many other families in the past in the loss of a family member.”






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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/11binladen.html?_r=2
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    If you guys look in to places like the comment section in the yahoo news section, you would see the majority of the comments are basically hateful against Muslims. So there is no doubt in my mind that there are a huge amount of people who hate Muslims in the US. I live in the US, and I have not encountered any hate, alhamduillah. But It really makes me angry how ignorant and hateful they are, Am I the only one here who is ticked off about this? it makes me not want to live in the US, to be honest.
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    They're probably the same commentors on YouTube. And if anyone knows what I'm talking about, you know how BRUTAL those guys are.

    Yes, it makes me angry but I have to remind myself that good and bad exist everywhere. Seeing all Muslims bashed for the actions of a few makes me want to hurl. But if I were on the other side of the coin and all Americans were being labeled for the actions of a few, I'd still be upset.

    So there's really no place in the world that is "hate-free". For me, personally as an American Muslim, I'm living both sides of the coin. Both apparently "clash" as it SEEMS that Americans don't like Muslims and Muslims don't like Americans. But living here (and just as you stated that you have not encountered any hate) one realizes that people come in all different colors, creeds, and comments.

    Including hateful ones.

    But that doesn't mean there aren't any good ones.

    The hateful ones are just more vocal online because it gives them more freedom. You wouldn't find the same idiots being that vocal in public. It's easier to be obnoxious and stupid behind a computer screen where no one can see you. It's an entirely different story to do it to someone's face.

    And based on your statements, it doesn't happen too much :)
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    ^Yeah, they are probably the same people who post on yahoo, youtube, etc. They would not dare do it in public, so they hide behind a computer screen to voice their hate. But it's good that we never run in to such hate, alhamduillah. May Allah (SWT) protect us, ameen!

    I got a question that I want to ask about Bin Laden, if anyone can answer, inshallah. Bin Laden did kill a lot of people, but would he maybe have a chance to be forgiven by Allah(SWT)? I see many different opinions about Bin Laden from other Muslims. I don't agree with what Bin Laden did, but I do hope Allah would forgive him, inshallah. Does he maybe have a chance to be forgiven by Allah (SWT) in the hereafter? I know if one dies on shirk they would never be forgiven, but Bin Laden did believe in Islam, so does he maybe have a chance?
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    What is saying in Quran about killing any innocent?
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