Permissable to take out a loan?

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
This issue separates mere Muslims and Pure Muslims (Mattaqun). A Muttaqun always fear Allah and will refrain from any doubtful matters such as the above question. a mere Muslim will always find excuses in order to justify his actions. May Allah guide us all and make us as MUTTAQUN...GOD FEARING MUSLIMS...

:salam2: akhi,

I think we should consult the scholars before we make statements such as these. There are scholars who have studied financial transactions that are common in North America and Europe and possess good knowledge Alhamdulillah regarding their impermissibility or permissibility within the bounds of Islamic Shariah.

If they advice us not to take up loans, then we surely shouldn't indulge in sin. However, we should first explore all opportunities available to us and get conversant with their Islamic ruling by consulting knowledgeable and trustworthy scholars. It is possible that there might be some halaal opportunities available for our muslim brothers and sisters to continue their education in the west. So let's not jump the gun before we even explore our options.

May Allah azz zawajal make it easy for us.Ameen

Wasalaamalaykum
 

helpinghumanity

Junior Member

Assalamo alaikum...

Its better to ask an imam or a scholar. However please be mindful that not every imam or so called scholar directs to the right path.

If you grant me permission, I can ask few knowledge brothers about it? Br Shinaway is a nice but he is not in New York these days.

Why are they (ur work place) not assisting you in the tuition. The previous engineering company where I worked reimbursed the full tuition amount if the grade is A.... 80% for B-grade. Its for master only though. So try to find out at your place if they can assist you with any thing...

If they don't, then take only 1 or 2 classes per semester and try to pay from your pocket. You don't have to do your masters from Colombia or Harvard etc.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
This issue separates mere Muslims and Pure Muslims (Mattaqun). A Muttaqun always fear Allah and will refrain from any doubtful matters such as the above question. a mere Muslim will always find excuses in order to justify his actions. May Allah guide us all and make us as MUTTAQUN...GOD FEARING MUSLIMS...

I have no idea why it was my comment that was removed and this abovementioned one wasn't even touched.

However, this is a very judgmental statement and labeling individuals based on their mere inquiries is highly offensive. Muslims are not discouraged from seeking out various opinions in Shariah. How else would learning occur? I wasn't born with a wealth of information; I had to go out and seek it. Labelling a questioner as ignorant discourages learning from occurring and I for one am not looking to go back to the Dark Ages.

None of us are in a position to call ANYONE's iman or taqwa into question. Remembering that would be useful.
 

sachin4islam

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum:

Strange a Muslim asking a question whether is it Permissable to take out a loan?. There are some Ayats in Surah Al-Baqarah where explicitly it has been mentioned Taking or giving interest on borrowed money is a sort of war with Allah and His Rasool (SAW).

This itself closes the discussion.

Regards.
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
:salam2:

In the UK you can take a loan out from the local education authority that claim its 0% interest, it doesn't give a grace period for its loans, you start repaying student loans when you earn over £15,000 a year, then a small payment every month gets deducted. You pay the amount that was loaned to you. Also if you are unfit for work or you die then your loan gets cancelled.

I don't know, I personally don't see the problem with this interest-free loan and it has provided many students with higher education. Bearing in mind the Shariah does emphasise that giving a loan is an act of worship and here you are doing good to those that need it. And the prophet (PBUH) did say that whoever gives a loan to his Muslim brother then his own wealth will flourish.
:wasalam::hijabi:

Wa `alaykumussalaam wa rahmatullaah

The student loan from the LEA in UK, is problematic. The LEA takes inflation into consideration and charges a "tiny bit" more when you are paying back the loan. This sort of loan is haraam to take and comes under the category of ribaa. Ibn al-Mundhir said: "They are unanimously agreed that if the lender stipulates that the borrower pay something extra or give him a gift, and gives the loan on the basis of receiving something extra, that is riba."

Below is a fatwa about inflation-based loans:

I know that taking interest is haraam,but I would like to know what does islaam say about taking interest based on inflation.For example,if you borrow 50 pounds and you want to return the 50 pounds in 5 years time,the value of the 50 pounds that you borrowed would be higher in 5 years time.Therefore you payback the equivalent amount to the 50 pounds that you borrowed.I ask this question because I want to know if it is allowed for me to take out a student loan which has interest based on inflation.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

If you borrow 50 pounds from a person or an institution for a period of five years, you have to pay back this amount in the same currency, even if its value goes down (because of inflation), so long as transactions in this currency are still valid.

We have already explained in Question no. 12541 that paying extra on a loan because of devaluation of the currency is haraam and is regarded as a kind of interest. This is the view of the majority of fuqaha’.

Secondly:

Whoever takes a loan in one currency and agrees to pay back in another, has fallen into riba, because what he has really done is to sell one kind of currency now in return for another currency to be paid later on. This is haraam and is one of the two kinds of riba which is called riba al-nasi’ah.

But the borrower may agree with the lender – at the time of repaying the loan – to hand over the money in a different currency. In the example referred to above, when five years have passed and you have to pay back 50 pounds, you can agree with the lender – on the day of paying back – to give him the equivalent in another currency, such as dollars, but that is subject to the condition that it be at the exchange rate that is current on the day you pay it back.

Thirdly:

With regard to taking a loan with interest based on inflation. We have already stated that paying interest on a loan to make up for inflation is haraam, and that it is a kind of riba. Based on this, it is not permissible for you to take this loan, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who consumes riba, the one who pays it, the one who writes it down and the two who witness it. He said: “They are all the same.” Narrated by Muslim, 1598.

And Allaah knows best.


With regards to the initial question posted by sister Shahnaz:

Firstly: I don't see what is wrong with the analogy that sister Tabassum drew from the fatwaa in IslamQA about Credit Cards. Because going into such a contract may not be ribaa in itself, but it is "approving" of this ribaa. In such a contract there is a possibility of falling into ribaa. Even though one cannot say that the contract is ribaa in itself, the fear of falling into is to be taken into consideration, thus the prohibition as mentioned by the Shaykh

Secondly, as brother Abu Sarah posted the fatwa of Ibn `Uthaymeen rahimahullaah, that one may go into such a contract if there is a need (NECESSITY)- but the question here arises as to you taking this loan, for doing your Masters, is actually a "necessity". And I have come across many people who take it a bit too easy on this whole "there is a need" issue<< Don't take me wrong sister, but I am just saying this in a general sense, nothing towards you- Inshaa'Allaah your intentions are clean and is towards seeking the pleasure of Allaahu Subhaanah... may Allaah increase you in good.

For you to realize as to if this comes under a "necessity", you should consult a person of knowledge who is well-grounded in terms of the Fiqh of Transaction, and who knows the situation of the people in your land. Not only that, but also consult your own heart sincerely as to if this comes under a "necessity".

Generally, there are ways around this. Many people have done it, I have done it alhamdulillaah. You can perhaps borrow money from your parents, brothers, uncles, aunties, relatives, friends etc. You will be doing a favour for your muslim brothers/sisters by taking a HALAAL loan from them as Allaah will bless their money for them. Remember to look into all others sorts of avenues, before thinking about this sort of a contract.

I hope you did not take any sort of offense. I am pretty bad at typing out what I really want to say, so forgive me if I sounded judgemental or so- as that was definately not my intention.

Wassalaamu `alaykum
 
Wa `alaykumussalaam wa rahmatullaah

The student loan from the LEA in UK, is problematic. The LEA takes inflation into consideration and charges a "tiny bit" more when you are paying back the loan. This sort of loan is haraam to take and comes under the category of ribaa. Ibn al-Mundhir said: "They are unanimously agreed that if the lender stipulates that the borrower pay something extra or give him a gift, and gives the loan on the basis of receiving something extra, that is riba."

Below is a fatwa about inflation-based loans:




With regards to the initial question posted by sister Shahnaz:

Firstly: I don't see what is wrong with the analogy that sister Tabassum drew from the fatwaa in IslamQA about Credit Cards. Because going into such a contract may not be ribaa in itself, but it is "approving" of this ribaa. In such a contract there is a possibility of falling into ribaa. Even though one cannot say that the contract is ribaa in itself, the fear of falling into is to be taken into consideration, thus the prohibition as mentioned by the Shaykh

Secondly, as brother Abu Sarah posted the fatwa of Ibn `Uthaymeen rahimahullaah, that one may go into such a contract if there is a need (NECESSITY)- but the question here arises as to you taking this loan, for doing your Masters, is actually a "necessity". And I have come across many people who take it a bit too easy on this whole "there is a need" issue<< Don't take me wrong sister, but I am just saying this in a general sense, nothing towards you- Inshaa'Allaah your intentions are clean and is towards seeking the pleasure of Allaahu Subhaanah... may Allaah increase you in good.

For you to realize as to if this comes under a "necessity", you should consult a person of knowledge who is well-grounded in terms of the Fiqh of Transaction, and who knows the situation of the people in your land. Not only that, but also consult your own heart sincerely as to if this comes under a "necessity".

Generally, there are ways around this. Many people have done it, I have done it alhamdulillaah. You can perhaps borrow money from your parents, brothers, uncles, aunties, relatives, friends etc. You will be doing a favour for your muslim brothers/sisters by taking a HALAAL loan from them as Allaah will bless their money for them. Remember to look into all others sorts of avenues, before thinking about this sort of a contract.

I hope you did not take any sort of offense. I am pretty bad at typing out what I really want to say, so forgive me if I sounded judgemental or so- as that was definately not my intention.

Wassalaamu `alaykum


:salam2:

Hope you are well,

Ok, say I borrowed £50 from you and agree to pay £50 back in 5 years time, yes there is a issue of inflation so I’m probably paying a bit more when repaying the loan. But, the lender of the money isn’t making any profit from that £50 he can’t buy anything extra with the inflation amount he’s gained. A Muslim cannot lend and receive money and expect to benefit from it because it’s Riba, but here the lender is not benefitting from the amount he receives. If we were to pay him back the amount based on the inflation rate 5 years ago for example £44 this would devalue his money but it would be profitable for me because I don’t have to pay the £6.
Maybe I’m being naive but this really is a learning point for me, luckily next year I can pay my own tuition fees because I’m working now. :hijabi: Anyways I found this:

The permissibility of taking a Riba-based loan for study, Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), says:

"Like all other loans, Student loans are also permissible as long as they don't involve interest. However, if a student is in dire need to pursue his/her studies and no loans are available without interest, then in that case, under the rule of necessity, it will be permissible for the student to take the minimum loan and he/she should pay it back as soon as possible. This is of course, in the case when pursuing that field of education is also very important for the future of the Muslim student. But if a study is not necessary and it is only as a matter of enhancement of one's knowledge, then one should not take loans with interest."
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Strange a Muslim asking a question whether is it Permissable to take out a loan?

Muslims are not All-Knowing. Rather, that is Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala.

They should not be demeaned for asking simple questions. It is one thing for an individual to commit a sinful act. It is an entirely different matter if they are simply asking questions. RasulAllah :saw: was asked all sorts of questions and he never criticized people for asking them.

Please watch your statements and do not criticize those who are wishing to learn. This forum has many who are willing to learn and criticism will hinder them from asking questions.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Secondly, as brother Abu Sarah posted the fatwa of Ibn `Uthaymeen rahimahullaah, that one may go into such a contract if there is a need (NECESSITY)- but the question here arises as to you taking this loan, for doing your Masters, is actually a "necessity". And I have come across many people who take it a bit too easy on this whole "there is a need" issue<< Don't take me wrong sister, but I am just saying this in a general sense, nothing towards you- Inshaa'Allaah your intentions are clean and is towards seeking the pleasure of Allaahu Subhaanah... may Allaah increase you in good.

For you to realize as to if this comes under a "necessity", you should consult a person of knowledge who is well-grounded in terms of the Fiqh of Transaction, and who knows the situation of the people in your land. Not only that, but also consult your own heart sincerely as to if this comes under a "necessity".

Generally, there are ways around this. Many people have done it, I have done it alhamdulillaah. You can perhaps borrow money from your parents, brothers, uncles, aunties, relatives, friends etc. You will be doing a favour for your muslim brothers/sisters by taking a HALAAL loan from them as Allaah will bless their money for them. Remember to look into all others sorts of avenues, before thinking about this sort of a contract.

I hope you did not take any sort of offense. I am pretty bad at typing out what I really want to say, so forgive me if I sounded judgemental or so- as that was definately not my intention.

JazakAllah khair for the kind words. You definitely did NOT sound judgmental and I am grateful for the empathy. You're definitely right about some people "relaxing" and conveniently considering their continuing education a necessity in order to justify taking out a loan. I plan on doing just what you said and consulting those who are experienced in this matter, rather than taking it into my own hands. You didn't offend me at all and I appreciate the time you took to answer my question and understand my dilemma.

To everyone else who feels the need to suddenly monitor my intentions in asking this question or weigh the strength of my iman because they feel qualified enough to do so, I will explain myself not because I owe anyone an explanation but because perhaps my reason will shed light on the subject for those who are also puzzled about the matter. It was never my intention to take a loan if I had to pay interest on it. Paying loans back within the required grace period can be literally impossible and I don't wish to add myself to the list of those who go against the Commands of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. I was merely asking a question as I HAVE heard some scholars say otherwise and although I knew that taking interest-based loans were haram, I was suddenly confused since I was now hearing different opinions and wanted to know what ALL my options were. Last I heard, asking questions was halal. If you disagree, please provide a fatwa.

Again, barakAllahu feek to those of you that actually took the time to understand what I meant and offered me valuable insight that will help inshAllah.
 

arzafar

Junior Member
:salam2:

Hope you are well,

Ok, say I borrowed £50 from you and agree to pay £50 back in 5 years time, yes there is a issue of inflation so I’m probably paying a bit more when repaying the loan. But, the lender of the money isn’t making any profit from that £50 he can’t buy anything extra with the inflation amount he’s gained. A Muslim cannot lend and receive money and expect to benefit from it because it’s Riba, but here the lender is not benefitting from the amount he receives. If we were to pay him back the amount based on the inflation rate 5 years ago for example £44 this would devalue his money but it would be profitable for me because I don’t have to pay the £6.
Maybe I’m being naive but this really is a learning point for me, luckily next year I can pay my own tuition fees because I’m working now.

no that is not allowed. inflation, interest, profit earned from exchanging money/gold/silver is all not allowed. There are many kinds of riba and interest (dur to the time value of currency) is just one of them.

the solution to all this is to have gold/silver of standard purity as the currency. This is the only way to permanently fix this problem. Current Islamic banking is not really islamic because ultimately it functions within the riba-based international banking system in which 'money' is created for debt/loan.

It has already been mentioned that riba is haram. Id also like to add that taking out a loan is makrooh even if there is no riba involved.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
If you grant me permission, I can ask few knowledge brothers about it? Br Shinaway is a nice but he is not in New York these days.

Sure, feel free. Yes, I was hoping to actually contact him about this because I know he had given valuable advice regarding this to a friend of mine. However, I do believe he's overseas...

Why are they (ur work place) not assisting you in the tuition. The previous engineering company where I worked reimbursed the full tuition amount if the grade is A.... 80% for B-grade. Its for master only though. So try to find out at your place if they can assist you with any thing....

Right but if you work at a non-profit like me, the options are limited. Currently the only form of financial assistance being offered is to students interested in pursuing social work at Hunter College (social work because this is a social work setting).

If they don't, then take only 1 or 2 classes per semester and try to pay from your pocket. You don't have to do your masters from Colombia or Harvard etc.

I didn't say I was going to either Columbia or Harvard. Irrespective, the program that I'm interested in only offers a full-time option.

JazakAllah khair.
 

islamdonlyway

Junior Member
The problem hear is that 'inflation' could be considered like riba, as you pay extra, and hear in the UK inflation is in a rise and set to rise in the comeing years, so those brothers/sisters even getting a loan with 0% intrest would end up paying a extra amount. the average salery a graduate gets in the uk is in the mark of 20-30k as starting saleries and higher after experiance...so most likely theyl have to pay back that loan with intrest (inflation), those gettin the even 0% loans will give out extra thus falling into the trap of riba..with is a MAJOR sin. allah knows best.
 

islamdonlyway

Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum:

Strange a Muslim asking a question whether is it Permissable to take out a loan?. There are some Ayats in Surah Al-Baqarah where explicitly it has been mentioned Taking or giving interest on borrowed money is a sort of war with Allah and His Rasool (SAW).

This itself closes the discussion.

Regards.

its not strange brother, LOAN is hallal but if intrest comes with it then it becomes haram, but without intrest its hallal, its just like karz-e-hassan, the islamic method of giveing a loan to someone or masjid and gettin it back after some time (without intrest). there are loans with 0% intrest.
 

twas19

Junior Member
I want to raise my question once more because i didn't got much clarifications.I have asked this to someone else before .I have been told that if you receive by depositing money in your bank account it will not be haram in the circuimstances when you are living in a country which manage financial matters in such a way.It is there established system and its a rule that you should follow it.But if they promote islamic banking system the way it should be than ofcourse we should all look forward to it.Am i right ?
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
I want to raise my question once more because i didn't got much clarifications.I have asked this to someone else before .I have been told that if you receive by depositing money in your bank account it will not be haram in the circuimstances when you are living in a country which manage financial matters in such a way.It is there established system and its a rule that you should follow it.But if they promote islamic banking system the way it should be than ofcourse we should all look forward to it.Am i right ?

Brother, by this logic, every single person can happily keep taking interest from the banks and just dream that *one day* an Islamic bank would just magically appear in front of them and then they'll be happy.

Riba is haram, and it does not matter whether you're in an Islamic country or not, or what the banking system is. If everyone in a non-muslim country drinks alcohol, does that make it halal in that country? No. It's the same thing with interest.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
:salam2:

Sister, I found this:

http://www.billraskob.org/student-loan-criteria.php

It's a site that offers interest-free loans. I'm sorry I didn't really read it over thoroughly, but maybe you could look it over and see if its any good or not.

There's also IANA Financing: (Please note it says *ideally* you have to be a Canadian resident, not necessarily.)

http://ianafinancial.org/index.php

JazakAllah khair sweet sister. I'm already aware of the Raskob Foundation. Although they do offer interest-free loans, the max amount is only $1500. It would probably cover books and fees, though, so every little bit would help. I plan on applying inshallah.

I'll look into IANA though. Barakallahu feeki :)
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
No problem sis. I've been concerned with this issue for quite a while, so now seems like a good opportunity to do some research on it.

Please look at this site:
http://www.usnews.com/education/bes...09/07/how-to-find-interest-free-student-loans

It lists a handful of places that offer interest free loans. Maybe one of them could work. InshaAllah, keep trying, and you'll find something.

http://www.oas.org/en/rowefund/
http://www.pbywny.org/announcements/wurffelsillsbrochure2011.pdf
http://www.fpanet.org/ToolsResource...oCompleteFreeApplicationforFederalStudentAid/

And I can't believe there are so many places that offer interest free loans to jewish students - where are the muslims? Why are we so behind?????
 
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