question on jihad

[podolski11]

salam alaykum

i was jz asked a question by a fellow muslim whos from the sect of quranists.......he said that during the time USSR was attacking afghanistan the scholars issued fatwas that its jihad to go and fight against them but then now when the same thing is happening in palestine and also other muslim countries we r told that this is no jihad....why???......and then he asked me ' r the scholars corrupt?....do they jz issue fatwas on accordance with the orders that come form the top??'...........and this got me really thinking and asking why was it jihad at that time and not this time???

 

[ShyHijabi]

Salaam,

Excuse me but did you just use the term "whities" to address a fellow Muslim? You use a racist term, designated by non-muslims, to speak to your fellow Muslim? Can you imagine our Prophet addressing a fellow Muslim that way? No? Then you should be silent and seek to imitate the Sunnah.

I don't understand how a bunch of youngsters on an internet board can declare when jihad is legitimate and when it is not. The lesser jihad can only be declared by a legitimate source and we have no business trying to discern what is jihad and what is not, that is for Allah swt. The fact is our ummah is in pieces, divided along national lines and cultural groupings. As long as we continue to stay in the this fractured design (of our own making) then we will never fight a true jihad.

The kuffir need not worry about keeping us down as we manage to stomp each other down all on our own. Calling a person a "whitey" is case in point, I can just hear shaitaan laughing at our folly.

Wasalaam

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

Salaam,

Excuse me but did you just use the term "whities" to address a fellow Muslim? You use a racist term, designated by non-muslims, to speak to your fellow Muslim? Can you imagine our Prophet addressing a fellow Muslim that way? No? Then you should be silent and seek to imitate the Sunnah.

I don't understand how a bunch of youngsters on an internet board can declare when jihad is legitimate and when it is not. The lesser jihad can only be declared by a legitimate source and we have no business trying to discern what is jihad and what is not, that is for Allah swt. The fact is our ummah is in pieces, divided along national lines and cultural groupings. As long as we continue to stay in the this fractured design (of our own making) then we will never fight a true jihad.

The kuffir need not worry about keeping us down as we manage to stomp each other down all on our own. Calling a person a "whitey" is case in point, I can just hear shaitaan laughing at our folly.

Wasalaam

As-salaamu `alaykum.

Jazaakillaahu khayran. I just deleted all that garbage now. If you intend to post, think twice, because clearly some people didn't.

 

[Idris16]

Salaam,
I don't understand how a bunch of youngsters on an internet board can declare when jihad is legitimate and when it is not.

Insh'Allah you will understand that. Today our ummah is in a mess. we need to replace leaders with other leaders.


and my posts should not get deleted.

 

[Salem9022]

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[Al-Kashmiri]

Insh'Allah you will understand that. Today our ummah is in a mess. we need to replace leaders with other leaders.


and my posts should not get deleted.

As-salaamu `alaykum.

By deleting a post akhi, it doesn't always mean it is not useful or true if that is what you think, sometimes it is deleted due to the effects it has, it being off topic, being part of an argument or perhaps quoting a deleted post and other reasons. So it should've been deleted and Allaah knows best.

And Salem, the video you posted, please put it in a more appropriate thread. While there is a link between the two affairs, it doesn't deal with the topic or question in hand entirely, and it seems more like it is directed to other than the questioner.

Was-salaam

 

[Idris16]

^^Wa Alaykum Salam
Ok, I'm sorry.

Salem i will watch the video after i fix my volume.

 

[Salem9022]

okay insha'Allah, but I still feel that this forum shouldn't be turned into a Political Bashing room, when we are all here to present people about Islam, especially those who are new to Islam. As-salaam alaikum

 

[sazk]

Salaam,

Excuse me but did you just use the term "whities" to address a fellow Muslim? You use a racist term, designated by non-muslims, to speak to your fellow Muslim? Can you imagine our Prophet addressing a fellow Muslim that way? No? Then you should be silent and seek to imitate the Sunnah.

I don't understand how a bunch of youngsters on an internet board can declare when jihad is legitimate and when it is not. The lesser jihad can only be declared by a legitimate source and we have no business trying to discern what is jihad and what is not, that is for Allah swt. The fact is our ummah is in pieces, divided along national lines and cultural groupings. As long as we continue to stay in the this fractured design (of our own making) then we will never fight a true jihad.

The kuffir need not worry about keeping us down as we manage to stomp each other down all on our own. Calling a person a "whitey" is case in point, I can just hear shaitaan laughing at our folly.

Wasalaam

he fired first.

to properly answer podolski11's question, all those scholars who would issue a fatwa in today's time, have been removed, killed or imprisoned. nobody to issue the fatwa, no jihad, no struggle. the rest of the surviving ones are either scared now or maybe just being patient, Allah knows best.

but the truth is a lot of scholars have been killed or imprisoned. this is how governments filter information so that the masses don't hear what governments don't want them to hear.

 

[podolski11]

honestly i didnt create this post for u all to fight like cavemen but to tell me if what the person im speaking to is rite about our scholars??....cause i am dam confused......he also gave me a very logical example in which he said

lets jz say ur neighbor is being attacked in broad day light and these killers are raping the women and taking all of their belongings....u call the police but they dont answer cause these killers own the police so isnt it our duty to help a fellow muslim in need and wouldnt that b a huge sin that u can hear and c ur neighbors being butchered and raped but u still keep quiet ........didnt the prophet Muhammad (saw ) say The prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said, ‘If you see an evil act (Three Actions) stop it with you hand, and if you cannot stop it with your hand, use your voice – speak, if u cannot do that then curse him in ur heart but then u will b the lowest in faith..........


and he keeps on saying that thing how come jihad was allowed in afghanistan but not anymore in places like palestine??......he said who gives out these fatwas anyway??...is it the USA/zionists or our so called scholars?

and im not looking for people to come on board and start fighting!......

 

[al-fajr]

The kuffir need not worry about keeping us down as we manage to stomp each other down all on our own. Calling a person a "whitey" is case in point, I can just hear shaitaan laughing at our folly.

One of the thing 'Umar ibn al Khattab (r) said in his advice to Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqas (r) when the muslims were facing the Persian armies:

''I order you and those who are with you (soldiers) to be more cautious of your own sins than those of your enemy, as the sins you commit are more dangerous to you than the enemy itself. The muslims are only ever victorious over their enemies because their enemies are disobedient to Allaah (s). Had it not been so they would have no power over them because the muslims do not match them in power (weaponry) nor in numbers. If we commit crimes and sins as they do, then they will have superiority over us and we will not gain victory over them''

I think this advice isnt just exclusively for a battle context and theres something to be learned in it.

And the following video is specifically about the struggle in Chechnya.
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:salam2:

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

As-salaamu `alaykum.

Maa shaa Allaah! Another decent post I see...

And akhi Salem I agree this forum shouldn't be used in such way, but sometimes it does, even when you try to prevent it or think you are. And that's why I chose to delete it in the first place. But I'll re-approve it now, since it links to what I'm about to say...

Akhi podolski, we can't start rely upon blaming this reason or that in answering your question. Really, we should blame ourselves for the Ummah's pathetic condition... Perhaps the reason why the battles were thought then and not now, is because the Muslims were better people then, as oppose to who we are now. There are other factors involved, but instead of ranting and blaming others, we should rectify our ownselves.

If you want a simple answer, then I believe Shaykh `Abdul `Azeez Ar-Rayyis' response was the rulers haven't issued it (for their people). Whether you agree or not, the fact is that this is one of the reasons why many Muslims are holding back. I don't think we need to argue these points... instead of arguing and debating them, I think we should be doing what we can to change this, through doing deeds!

I would advise you ask those who deserve to be called shuyookh or even students of knowledge. I believe in the book "Who's in for Iraq", by the aforementioned Shaykh, there are more details on the subject.

Allaah knows best.

 

[Shishani]

As-salaamu 'alaykum.

The fatwaa of shaykh Ibn Jibreen (hafidhahullaah) is probably during the first war or at the beginning of the second war.

 

[AlQurtubi]

"I don't understand how a bunch of youngsters on an internet board can declare when jihad is legitimate and when it is not. "

Sister, There are many critical islamic issues which are discussed on TTI. You never said that any single word on those. Should I assume that you were annoyed enough which made you write this line?

 

[AlQurtubi]

"If you want a simple answer, then I believe Shaykh `Abdul `Azeez Ar-Rayyis' response was the rulers haven't issued it (for their people). "

I am really sorry but MUSLIM rulers wearning Cross will not issue it ever in their life. I can show you the picture of king fahad of KSA wearning cross with queen of england. Any ways...

"Whether you agree or not, the fact is that this is one of the reasons why many Muslims are holding back. I don't think we need to argue these points... instead of arguing and debating them, I think we should be doing what we can to change this, through doing deeds!"

Yes , you are right here brother. But most of the time, we face opposition from those, so called muslims. I would like to say that they have disguiised theirselves as muslims.
There is lot to say but i am afraid they we will end up in doing PMs to each other

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

"If you want a simple answer, then I believe Shaykh `Abdul `Azeez Ar-Rayyis' response was the rulers haven't issued it (for their people). "

I am really sorry but MUSLIM rulers wearning Cross will not issue it ever in their life. I can show you the picture of king fahad of KSA wearning cross with queen of england. Any ways...

"Whether you agree or not, the fact is that this is one of the reasons why many Muslims are holding back. I don't think we need to argue these points... instead of arguing and debating them, I think we should be doing what we can to change this, through doing deeds!"

Yes , you are right here brother. But most of the time, we face opposition from those, so called muslims. I would like to say that they have disguiised theirselves as muslims.
There is lot to say but i am afraid they we will end up in doing PMs to each other

As-salaamu `alaykum...

Perhaps they won't, yes, but they never will unless we also change and work towards a better Ummah.

Allaah knows best.

Was-salaam

 

[Shishani]

As-salaamu 'alaykum.

I am really sorry but MUSLIM rulers wearning Cross will not issue it ever in their life. I can show you the picture of king fahad of KSA wearning cross with queen of england. Any ways...

Woe to the one who takes information and accuses Muslims in kufr (disbelief) judging on a short YouTube video.

Shaykh al-'allaamah Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) has refuted this doubt.
King Fahd (rahimahullaah) didn't know that it was a cross. He got a present from the queen, so he took it. This is allowed. And shaykh Ibn Baaz said that even if it is a cross and he puts it on (but then removes it), there is no harm in this, if the harm is greater if he doesn't accept it. This is not disbelief.

But king Fahd didn't know that it was a cross. When he knew, he removed it immediately. As for the shabaab (youth) who make takfeer of Muslims as their daily hobby, they are in misguidance and may Allaah guide them to the manhaj of Rasoolullaah.

Wallaahu a'lam.

 

[jamilah rumias]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Assalam alaikom warah matull Allah
May allah protect the Muslim Nation.And what we really need is one heart, we need to make sincere Du'a to our Muslims brothers.:tti_sister::tti_sister:

 

[AlQurtubi]

First of all, i never blamed him for doing kufr. I think you are obsessed about kufr when we point to any saudi.

brother ChechenMaga, please stop quoting ibn-e-baaz. What kind of king he was? who doesnt know wat a cross is? he didnt recognize his enemies and symbols of theirs?
MashALLAH mashALLAH.

I wont say any thing abt Shaikh. I know that will not be here for long.

 

[Shishani]

First of all, i never blamed him for doing kufr. I think you are obsessed about kufr when we point to any saudi.

brother ChechenMaga, please stop quoting ibn-e-baaz. What kind of king he was? who doesnt know wat a cross is? he didnt recognize his enemies and symbols of theirs?
MashALLAH mashALLAH.

I wont say any thing abt Shaikh. I know that will not be here for long.

As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaah.

I didn't say you accused him in kufr.
It isn't clear that it is a cross. Even if he knew, who says that putting on a cross is kufr that puts someone beyond Islaam, or is it disblief at all? It is one of the attributes of the christians, i.e. of their clothes. So that's why it is haraam. Wallaahu a'lam.

I will quote shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) as much as I want, for indeed, he was a mujaddid and a great Imaam of our time who followed the footsteps of the Salaf.

My advise to all of us, get knowledge from Kibaar 'Ulamaa who are known for their righteousness and knowledge, whom Allaah has made victories and whom their enemies even acknowledge (i.e. can't deny their knowledge).

As for those who insult the Muslim leaders, no matter what sins they commit, or what injustice they do, we have to obey them in that which doesn't contradict the Deen of Allaah. There are plenty of books written by the 'Ulamaa, and plenty of sayings of the greatest Imaams of this ummah, about takfeer on Muslims (and their rulers), khurooj (rebellion) against the rulers etc. None has the right to do takfeer on the rulers (or any other individuals) except Kibaar 'Ulamaa (Great Scholars)! Let us fear the One Who created us from a drop!


Wallaahu a'lam. Wa billaahit-tawfeeq.