Refutation of Ahmad Deedat

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Assalamu Alaikkum wa rahamatullahi wabarakatuhu,

To Ahmad Deedat lovers, please don't get offended. This is just to remind people that take what is good from the scholars and students of knowledge and don't become fans of anyone. Masha Allah, Ahmad Deedat, has very good talent of debating and argument but sometimes he makes mistakes too.

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Shaikh Al-Albaani on Ahmed Deedat​

With regard to Shaikh Ahmed Deedat, some people say, and we asked about his methodology, and, inshaa Allaah naturally it will be from the good methodologies, so some people say, the methodology is not important, the important thing is that he is a Muslim … so if you could clarify this for us O Shaikh, and may Allaah reward you with good.

Shaikh al-Albaani: We truly hope that Shaikh Ahmed is on the Salafi methodology of old, who believe in Allaah and worship Him as He truly ought to be worshipped.

But we need to always remember [generally] that just because a person believes in the presence of a creator of this universe this does not mean that he has become a believer. Two fundamental conditions must be met:

The first: that he bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah.
The second: that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah.

The first condition, that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah does not only mean that the Creator of the universe is One, because it is possible that faith and disbelief come together in one person, faith and disbelief may come together in one person. The one who says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah,’ [then] naturally this saying has prerequisites, these prerequisites being connected to these two testimonies.

So if we were to picture a person who bears witness that, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah,’ but [at the same time] he says that the Quraan is deficient … if we were to picture a person who bears witness that, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah,’ but [at the same time] he says that the Quraan is deficient, then the testimony of Laa ilaaha illallaah has not benefitted this person, because it is like honey poured on to something bitter, ruining it.

And in the same way belief and disbelief gathers in a person, for this reason He, the Most High, said about the early polytheists, “And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him.” [Yusuf 12:106]. This aayah shows us that these people are believers but that at the same time they are polytheists, and most of them believe not in Allaah except that their condition is this, that they are polytheists.

So, faith and disbelief can be present in a person, I gave you an example of a person who testifies that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah but [he says], “The Quraan is deficient,” this is shirk, but [the person who said this] believes in Allaah and believes in the Messenger of Allaah, so His Saying, the Most High, applies to him, “And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him.”

To be precise in this topic, i.e., that it is possible that faith and disbelief be present in a person, faith and tawheed and shirk, the Saying of our Lord, “And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him,” applies to most of the people even in this time [of ours].

Let us take a look at the reality, those Muslims who pray, fast, perform Hajj and give charity, they go to a certain place, or to a grave of the Allies of Allaah [Awliyaa], to seek intercession from them, to seek well-being from them, these people [are from those to whom the Saying of Allaah applies], “And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners unto Him.”

They know that Allaah exists, but they worshipped others along with Him, whereas Allaah had said [in the Quraan], “You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything),” [Al-Faatihah 1:5], so they sought the aid of other than Him, the Most High.

For this reason, the verifying scholars categorised tawhid into three types:

1 Tawhid ar-Ruboobiyyah (Maintaining the Unity of Lordship)
2 Tawhid al-Uluhiyyah (Singling out Allaah with worship)
3 Tawhid al-Asmaa was-Sifaat (Maintaining the Unity of Allaah’s Names and Attributes)

Namely that Allaah is One in His Essence, One in the fact that He is the only One who deserves to be worshipped, none other than Him is to be worshipped, and that He is One in His Attributes, “There is nothing like unto Him,” [Ash-Shuraa 42:11]. This does not mean that Allaah exists and that’s it! No, [but rather that] Allaah exists and nothing from His Creation resembles Him.

So for example, in their celebrations the Christians spread these pictures, you will see pictures of their lord, an old Shaikh, with a long white beard, is that the Lord of all Creation whom nothing resembles?

The Jews and the Christians believe that this universe has a creator, so they believe in the first type of tawhid, what is it called? Tawhid ar-Ruboobiyyah (Maintaining the Unity of Lordship), i.e., that this universe has a creator.

Questioner: Is the one who says this an atheist?


Shaikh al-Albaani: They differ from the atheists or naturalists, those who say there is no creator and no creation, the Jews and the Christians say that Allaah is the One who created the universe so they are monotheists in Tawhid ar-Ruboobiyyah, but when it comes to tawhid al-uluhiyyah, the tawhid of worship, then the Jews worshipped Uzair and the Christians worshipped Jesus.

These people disbelieved in the tawhid of worship, so they do not say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allaah,’ and if they have said it, then it is either out of hypocrisy or ignorance as to its true meaning, for if not, if they said it believing in it, they would not have worshipped Jesus, nor would they have submitted to him, or prostrated to him and so on, nor would they have placed his image and that of his mother Maryam in the churches.

These people are believers from one angle, and disbelievers from another since they are not like the atheists who say there is no god, no, they do say that Allaah exists, but look what is the benefit of that saying when they liken Allaah to His Creation?

Questioner: Or when they worship others alongside Him?


Shaikh al-Albaani: Or when they worship others alongside Him, ah, here is the [main] point from [all of] this talk–many of the Muslims, and I do not only mean their general masses, but many of their scholars or students of knowledge too, say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allaah,’ but they worship other than Allaah, and they disbelieve in Him as regards His Attributes.

Now for example, we know that many of them other than those we just pointed to, [we know that] they call on the dead and the righteous, submitting to them, praying by them and so on, they say that Allaah exists in all places, [but indeed] Allaah is greater than all things, and He was in existence when there was nothing other than Him, so what/how is it that you went and put Him and the universe together [as one]? To such an extent that some of them said, “And Allaah in relation to these Shaikhs … is but as a snowflake in water.”

Can you differentiate between snow and water? This is Allaah in the eyes of these people, this is disbelief. In the Noble Quraan it says that Allaah is Self-sufficent and in no need whatsoever of His Creation, [but] these [people] have gathered Him [in the same category as] the creation like a silkworm which harms itself, it digs itself in and becomes strangulated and dies–[but the reality is that] Allaah is in no need of the worlds whatsoever, so these people have believed from one angle and disbelieved from the other.

For this reason, and in reality it matters to us that Shaikh Ahmed [Deedat], may Allaah reward him with good, has fulfilled a great obligatory action, but this undertaking and this exertion [jihaad] will only benefit him if he believes in Allaah as one Lord, as [the only] One who is worshipped, [i.e., fulfilling all requirements of tawhid like all Muslims should] and what is not meant by [this saying], ‘that He is the only One worshipped,’ [is to restrict it to only mean] that he prays just to Him, no, for if he called upon Khidr in a time of need then he would not have worshipped Allaah alone, since supplication is part of worship, he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said, “Du’aa is worship.”

So we hope that he [i.e., Deedat] has studied the correct tawhid in his land so that he is a muwahhid [monotheist, who] singles Allaah out solely in His Essence, in His worship, a muwahhid of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, in relation to His Attributes, [i.e., the] three [categories of tawhid], and then his jihaad would be something about which we could say that he has performed an obligatory duty that all of the [other] Shaikhs did not carry out.

Questioner: Allaahu Akbar.


Shaikh al-Albaani: Yes, by Allaah. May Allaah reward him with good.

Questioner: May Allaah bless you, our Shaikh, may Allaah bless us by [allowing us to benefit from] your life, inshaa Allaah.


Shaikh al-Albaani: May Allaah protect you.

Questioner: Please carry on, our Shaikh.


Shaikh al-Albaani: What is meant by Tawheed ar-Rububiyyah is that the Muslim decisively believes that the Creator of this universe and all that it contains is one in His Essence, having no equal/opponent, no partner.

The Magians believe that there are two gods, a god of evil and a god of good, they committed shirk in [the first category] Tawhid ar-Rububiyyah, do you understand?

So if the Muslim, Allaah forbid, were to believe that there are Allies of Allaah [Awliyaa] and righteous people who can harm and benefit along with Allaah, and who can give life and death, and who can feed and give provisions, [then] he would have disbelieved in tawhid, tawhid ar-Rububiyyah, and would have associated partners with Him, because [through this belief of his] he would have held there to be two creators: [he would have held that] Allaah creates the good and evil and that likewise the Allies of Allaah [Awliyaa] and the righteous people give provisions, give life and death, and for this reason he [such a Muslim] goes to them, seeking blessings from them.

Question: There are many women who cannot get pregnant who take themselves and go to a tree under which there is the grave of a wali and so she will tie things above [the grave on the tree] and so on, yes.


Shaikh al-Albaani: Allaahu Akbar, this is shirk in rububiyyah. Shirk in Lordship [uluhiyyah] is shirk in worship, and it is that someone worships other than Allaah while believing that Allaah is One in His Essence but [at the same time] he slaughters for such and such wali, this is shirk in worship, he calls upon so and so the wali, [even though] that wali has become dust in his grave, a man from mankind, [but this Muslim] believes that he can hear and save him, and harm and benefit, this would then have become shirk in worship.”

Mawsoo’atul-Allaamah, al-Imaam, Mujaddidil-Asr, Muhammad Naasirid-Deen al-Albaani, of Shaikh Shady Noaman, vol.2, pp. 59-64.

Source: http://shaikhalbaani.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/al-albaani-on-ahmed-deedat/

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I would like to put my mind at rest concerning the daa’iyah Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him), since there are those who accuse him of having been a follower of Ahmediyyah, whose headquarters are in Pakistan, and they quote as evidence the fact that in some of his debates the Shaykh quoted the theory which says that the Messiah was crucified but did not die on the cross, rather he only lost consciousness, but he died after that in an accident, and his soul was taken up to heaven.
I would like to know what was the view of the well known daa’iyah Ahmed Deedat? Are these accusations true? I am one of those who love the Shaykh, may Allaah have mercy on him, and I follow all his debates and writings. Thank you very much.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Shaykh Ahmed Hoosen Deedat was born in Sirat in India in 1918 CE, and his father migrated to South Africa shortly after he was born. When he was nine years old his mother died and he joined his father in South Africa, where he lived for the rest of his life.

In South Africa, Ahmed Deedat appeared in his first debate in 1977 CE, and later appeared in the Royal Albert Hall in Great Britain. He debated with some of the greatest Christian clerics such as Clark, Jimmy Swaggart, Anis Shuroush, and others. The Muslims benefited from that and affirmed their belief in Islam and the Qur’aan, and came to know the distortions and lies that exist in the distorted religions. Some Christians whom Allaah blessed with guidance also benefited from that.

On Monday August 8, 2005 CE, the daa’iyah Shaykh Ahmed Deedat passed away and met his Lord at the age of 87, in his home in Verulam in KwaZulu Natal in South Africa, after a lengthy struggle with illness.

Secondly:

With regard to Muslim belief concerning the Messiah (peace be upon him), it is based on the evidence of the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus) – (peace be upon him) – is one of the greatest Messengers. Muslims believe that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) was taken up by Allaah into heaven alive, and that he was neither crucified nor killed. He will remain alive until the onset of the Hour approaches, then he will descend to earth and will kill the Dajjaal, break the cross and kill the pigs, and he will rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, then he will die – peace be upon him – like all other humans.

Imam Abu Muhammad ‘Abd al-Haqq ibn ‘Atiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The ummah is unanimously agreed on what is stated in the mutawaatir hadeeth that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) is alive in heaven, and he will descend at the end of time and will kill the pigs, break the cross and kill the Dajjaal; justice will prevail and he will support this nation – the nation of Muhammad – and it will prevail as a result, and he will perform pilgrimage to the Ka’bah, doing Hajj and ‘Umrah, then Allaah will cause him to die.

Al-Muharrar al-Wajeez (3/143)

Al-Safaareeni (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The ummah is unanimously agreed that he will descend and none of those who follow sharee’ah disagreed with that. Rather it was denied by the philosophers and heretics whose dissent is of no importance. There is consensus among the ummah that he will descend and will rule according to the sharee’ah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). No new law will be revealed when he descends from heaven.

Lawaami’ al-Anwaar al-Bahiyyah (2/94, 95)

Thirdly:

The Qadianis or Ahmadis are a movement that began in 1900 CE as the result of a plot by the British colonialists in India, the aim of which was to distance the Muslims from their religion and from the duty of jihad in particular.

The Qadianis believe that Prophethood did not end with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), rather it is ongoing and Allaah sends messengers according to need. They believe that Ghulam Ahmed – the founder of Qadianiyyah who was born in 1839 CE and died in 1908 CE – was the best of all the Prophets.

They believe that Jibreel used to come down to Ghulam Ahmed and that he received revelation and that his dreams are like the Qur’aan.

For more details on their beliefs and why they are kufr, please see the answer to question no. 4060.

Fourthly:

The view of the Ahmedis (Qadianis) concerning the Messiah (peace be upon him) is that he was crucified but did not die on the cross, rather he lost consciousness and was buried, then he fled from his grave to Kashmir, where he died a natural death, and his grave is to be found there.

They interpret his being raised up to heaven as metaphorical not literal, i.e., he was raised in status, not in a physical sense.

This belief of theirs is mentioned in two essays of theirs, the first of which is entitled “The Christian Messiah in India” which was written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed himself. The second is entitled “The death of the Messiah the son of Maryam and what is meant by his descent”. This is published by the “World Ahmediyyah Muslim Community”, and they put on the cover a picture of the supposed grave of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) in Sari Naghar in Kashmir, India.

They say on page 2 that “the Messiah (peace be upon him) was not taken up alive, and no one else was caused to resemble him. Rather he was hung on the cross for a few hours, and when he was taken down he was so deeply unconscious that they thought he was dead. Then after the crucifixion he migrated from Palestine to eastern lands: Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Kashmir and India, and he lived for one hundred and twenty years.”

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed al-Qadiani claimed falsely that Allaah had revealed this information to him, but it is something that was said by some Christians before him, and it seems that he stole the idea from them.

The purpose of the Qadianis in spreading this belief about the Messiah (peace be upon him) is to make it easier to claim that the ahaadeeth which were revealed about the descent of the Messiah and the appearance of the Mahdi at the end of time refer to the emergence of the liar Mirza Ghulam Ahmed al-Qadiani.

The essay referred to clearly states that on page 6 where it says:

“What is meant by the descent of the Messiah the son of Maryam is the sending of another man from the ummah of al-Mustafa (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who will resemble ‘Eesa ibn Maryam in his attributes and deeds. This promised man appeared in Qadian, India, with the name of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, a guided imam whom Allah made like the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him). He was the promised messiah, al-imam al-mahdi for the ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) promised would be sent when he said: ‘There is no Mahdi except ‘Eesa.’ (Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan).” End quote.

According to Islamic belief, ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) is a Prophet who was sent, and the Mahdi is a righteous Muslim, not a Prophet or Messenger. The emergence of the Mahdi is one of the lesser signs of the Hour, and the descent of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) is one of the greater signs of the Hour, and there is a difference between them, as is obvious.

The hadeeth which they quote as evidence, “There is no Mahdi except ‘Eesa” is not saheeh, rather it is a munkar hadeeth which was judged as such by a number of imams, such as al-Nasaa’i, al-Dhahabi and al-Albaani, and it was classed as da’eef by al-Haakim, al-Bayhaqi, al-Qurtubi and Ibn Taymiyah, and al-San’aani classed it as mawdoo’ (fabricated).

See: Minhaaj al-Sunnah (8/256); al-Sawaa’iq al-Muhriqah by al-Haytami (2/476); al-Silsilah al-Da’eefah (77).

Fifthly:

As for the notion that Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him) followed the view of the Qadianis, nothing could be further from the truth. This is a pure fabrication against the Shaykh, for many reasons:

1- The debates, books and articles of the Shaykh are numerous and there is nothing in them to promote the Qadiani religion or to praise its leader or followers. If he was one of them, that would be apparent in his books.

2- The Qadianis deny jihad in their religion, and whoever calls for that which the Qadianis call for is one of them. Shaykh Ahmed Deedat was definitely not one of them, rather he used to call for jihad and he thought that the sword and the Qur’aan together were the way to protect the honour of this ummah.

Shaykh Ahmed Deedaat (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Our only weapon in fighting this vicious menace that is called missionary activity is the Qur’aan and wielding the sword for the sake of Allaah to confront this menace. This is a struggle to decide between faith and heresy, between Islam and the forces of evil, between justice and injustice, between light and darkness, between truth and misguidance. This battle cannot be won except with the sword and the Qur’aan together, so that the sword may re-establish what has been forsaken of the Qur’aan and Islam may prevail throughout the world, and the Muslims may come back to their senses and confront this menace from the crusaders and Zionists.

Hawaar ma’a Mubashshir (Debate with a Missionary), p. 30

3- The Qadianis do not believe in prayer, fasting and pilgrimage as they are prescribed in our sharee’ah. According to them, these things have other meanings. They also think that everyone who is not a Qadiani is a kaafir and they do not allow Qadianis to marry non-Qadianis. They regard alcohol and intoxicants as permissible. Did Shaykh Ahmed Deedat follow what these kaafirs follow? By Allaah, no.

(a) The Shaykh wrote a useful book called The Concept of Worship in Islam in which he spoke of the Muslim’s acts of worship such as prayer, zakaah, fasting and Hajj, quoting verses and ahaadeeth, which points to the vastness of his knowledge and the soundness of his beliefs.

(b) The Shaykh was married to a virtuous Muslim woman who served Islam and helped him in his da’wah. She was Sister Hawa’. If it was true that the Shaykh was a Qadiani, he would have been married to a kaafir woman, which is not permissible in their view, rather some of them regard that as disbelief (kufr).

(c) With regard to the prohibition on alcohol and intoxicants, the Shaykh wrote a useful book called “Alcohol between Christianity and Islam” in which he supports Islam and its rulings by quoting from the Qur’aan and Sunnah about the prohibition of alcohol.

It says in this book: “Islam is the only religion on the face of the earth that forbids intoxicants altogether. The Noble Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What intoxicates in large quantities, is forbidden in small quantities.” There is no excuse in Islam for one who takes a gulp or a sip of any intoxicating drink. The holy Qur’aan – the Book of Truth – forbids in the strongest terms not only alcohol and the evils to which it leads, but it also forbids gambling and ansaab (stone altars) on which they used to offer sacrifices, and azlaam (arrows for divination) which they used to tell the future. So Islam forbids alcohol, the worship of idols, fortune-telling and reading of omens in one verse, where Allaah says: “O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al‑Ansaab (stone altars for sacrifices to idols etc) and Al‑Azlaam (arrows for seeking luck or decision) are an abomination of Shaytaan’s (Satan’s) handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful” [al-Maa’idah 5:90].

This simple command has made the Muslim ummah the greatest gathering of teetotallers in the world.

(Alcohol between Christianity and Islam, p. 18).

4- The Qadianis believe that the Messiah (peace be upon him) died some time after he was crucified, and they believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is the Messiah and the Mahdi – as was stated above. Did Shaykh Ahmed Deedat believe that? By Allaah, no.

This question was put to the Shaykh by a Qadiani man about the ending of Prophethood with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the belief of the Qadianis. Let us read what the Shaykh (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“A brother is asking whether I believe that our Noble Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the Seal of the Prophets. Was he the last of the Prophets and the Seal of the Prophets? I say: Yes, but the Qadianis say that the Messiah will return at the end of time so Muhammad is not the last of the Prophets. This is the question; how should we respond?

The one who has been given the title of Seal of the Prophets can never have this title taken away from him. If I say that I am going to give a gift to the last of one hundred men, and they come one after another, then the last man comes and takes his gift, now if one of the men comes back again after the last man took his prize, he cannot take it from him.

Our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has been given this title, and he is the last of the Prophets and the Seal of the Messengers. The Qur’aan is the last of the Books that have been revealed from Allaah and we do not need addition to it, and we do not need any other Messenger, and we do not need any other book. That man – the Qadiani who asked the question – wants to regard his leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as the Messiah in his second coming, that is why he is stirring this matter up. He wants to make a connection between Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and Deedat! So that he can take the place of the Messiah (peace be upon him) in his second coming, so that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed will be regarded as the messiah. Hence he wants to kill the Messiah – i.e., to say that he is dead – that is why he wants to stir all this up. Now what does he want from all this? If you want to do something good for the sake of Islam, look at the millions of Christians around you. But it seems that he is not concerned with the Christians, he is concerned with you – the Muslims. If you want to make da’wah then go and make da’wah to the Jews, Christians and Hindus. Are there not millions of them around the world. Why do you want to pick a fight with me? I am Muslim, I believe in Allaah, in His Messenger, in the Holy Qur’aan. You are wasting your time with me.”

(Lecture in the Jaami’ Mosque, delivered during his visit to Kenya in 1993 CE).

Further support of what we have said refuting the accusations against Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him) of being a Qadiani is his writing of a testimonial in which he affirmed his Islam and described Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as a kaafir, and he also described his followers as kaafirs too, and he denied that his centre was involved in distributing some of their tafseer (commentary on Qur’aan).

There were rumours in his country – South Africa – that he was a Qadiani and that he was distributing a tafseer of the Qur’aan attributed to one so-called Muhammad Asad, which compelled Shaykh Ahmed Deedat to issue a statement clarifying the matter, on 23/7/1987 CE, re-stating his view that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed al-Qadiani was a kaafir, as were his followers.

You will find a copy of this disavowal of the Qadianis and the declaration that their leader and followers are kaafirs at the following link: http://www.ahmed-deedat.net/Files/Articles/Website/B01.jpg

This is the text of the statement:

“Declaration

I AHMED HOOSEN DEEDAT President of ISLAMIC PROPAGATION CENTRE hereby declare before Allah that I subscribe totally and fully to the SHAHADA

LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAHU

MUHAMMADUR RASOOLULLAH.

There is no god except ALLAH and MUHAMMAD is the Messenger of ALLAH

I believe that Muhammad (PBUH) is the last and final Prophet and messenger. There will be no Rasool or Nabee after him.

I believe that MIRZA GHULAM AHMED of QADIAN was an IMPOSTER and a KAAFIR.

I believe that all those who accept him as a Nabee, Rasool, A Reformer or even as a great man are KAAFIR and out of the Pale of Islam.

My book Crucifixion or Crucifiction has an “AFTERWORD” which clarifies the position of my belief in the second coming of Jesus (PBUH).

The Islamic Propagation Centre has never published, promoted, distributed or sold ASAD’S translation of the Qur’an.

May Allah save us from rumour-mongering, backbiting and spreading falsehood.

(signed) Ahmed Deedat.”

The above supports the idea that the accusation of Shaykh Ahmed Deedat of being a Qadiani can only come from a kaafir who wants to slander the religious commitment of the Shaykh and keep people away from him after he succeeded in bringing thousands of people into Islam, or someone who is jealous of seeing how the people – elite and ordinary folk alike – respect the Shaykh, or an ignorant person who read or heard something of the shaykh’s words and misunderstood it, and thought badly of him.

Sixthly:

What is the attitude of Shaykh Ahmed Deedat about the crucifixion and killing of the Messiah (peace be upon him)?

There is no doubt in our minds that Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him) denied that the Messiah was either crucified or killed. He did not go beyond what Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)]…”

[al-Nisa’ 4:157]

(a) Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

I do not expect anyone to ask me about my belief as a Muslim with regard to the crucifixion; what I believe is what the Qur’aan says, as stated clearly in verse 157 of Soorat al-Nisa’.

Mas’alat Salb al-Maseeh bayna al-Haqeeqah wa’l-Iftira’ (p. 88), Dar al-Fadeelah.

It should be noted that the so-called Ali al-Jawhari, who is the Arabic translator of the book mentioned above – as well as others – subscribed to the theory that the Messiah lost consciousness, which is what the Qadianis believe. And he defended it fiercely in his footnotes to the book, and he criticized the Muslims for not adopting this view, and he thought that it did not contradict what Allaah says in the Qur’aan.

(b) Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

They did not crucify him or kill him, but it seemed to them that they had done so, but they did not crucify or kill the Messiah, because it is certain that they did not kill him. This is how the Muslims understand the confusion about the crucifixion and killing of the Messiah, which is that they did not kill him but this is what they thought and believed that they had done.

Jesus – God, man or myth? (p. 112).

(c) And he (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The one who was crucified was another person who resembled him. The Gospel of Barnabas confirms the view which says that another person was killed instead of him on the cross. This is in accordance with our view, the Muslims. The confusion arose because they killed another person who resembled him.

Jesus – God, man or myth? (p. 138)

The Qadianis believe that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was crucified, whereas we find the text in the Book of Allaah states that he was not. This is what Shaykh Ahmed Deedat said. If he disagreed with them about the crucifixion then how could he agree with them about the death or killing of the Messiah?!

(d) At the beginning of the shaykh’s debate with Floyd Clark, which was entitled “Was Christ Crucified?”, the Shaykh stated his sound belief in the Messiah (peace be upon him) by quoting the verses from Soorat al-Nisa’, then he began to use their evidence to establish proof against them and prove their beliefs false.

In that debate he said:

As for the Muslims, the matter is settled: the Messiah was not killed or crucified. This is a point on which the Muslims do not disagree, but the Christians’ belief is based on an assumption, but they did not kill him for sure.

And he said:

We will prove that the Messiah did not die on the cross as the Christians claim because he was not crucified at all. That is from their books, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Say (O Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Produce your proof” [al-Baqarah 2:111].

He said: Whatever the case, he was not killed or crucified, that is according to the Book of Allaah.

(e) At the beginning of his debate with Robert Douglas, which was entitled “Crucifixion of Christ – true or false?” the Shaykh (may Allaah have mercy on him) stated his belief in accordance with the Holy Qur’aan.

(f) and he (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This means that these people – i.e., the Jews – believe that Jesus claimed to be a Prophet, and they killed him to get rid of him, but Allaah told them that they had not killed him or crucified him, rather it appeared so to them. They did not kill him or crucify him but it seemed to them that they had done so, and they thought that they had done so, but they did not kill or crucify the Messiah.

And he said: “but they killed him not” [al-Nisa’ 4:157] because it is certain that they did not kill him. This is how the Muslims clarify the confusion surrounding the crucifixion and killing of the Messiah, which is that they did not crucify him or kill him, but this is what they thought that they had done. This is what we Muslims believe.

“Was Jesus a man, a god or a myth?” (p. 111, 112).

(g) And he (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Allaah says: “But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself” [al-Nisa’ 4:158]. This means that the Messiah Jesus (peace be upon him) did not taste death, rather Allaah raised him up to Himself, and I believe that the Messiah will return before the Day of Resurrection.

“Was Jesus a man, a god or a myth?” (p. 118).

Conclusion:

It is no wonder that Shaykh Ahmed Deedat (may Allaah have mercy on him) was accused by the kaafirs of being a Qadiani, as he views them all as being kaafirs. But what is strange is that jealous or ignorant people take some of the words of the shaykh and interpret them in the worst possible way, or at least they pick on phrases that are ambiguous. We have quoted many of his comments with regard to his religious beliefs, his attitude towards the Qadianis and his belief concerning the crucifixion of the Messiah (peace be upon him). Everyone who says otherwise, let him fear Allaah and realize that he is looking at ambiguous words and he should understand them in the light of other comments that are not ambiguous, or he should realize that the Shaykh may have said some things for the sake of argument or quoted some of his opponents’ statements so as to use them against them.

We ask Allaah to have mercy on Shaykh Ahmed Deedat and to honour him and raise him in status.

And Allaah knows best.

 

[ilyas_eh]

Shaikh al-Albaani:
For this reason, and in reality it matters to us that Shaikh Ahmed [Deedat], may Allaah reward him with good, has fulfilled a great obligatory action, but this undertaking and this exertion [jihaad] will only benefit him if he believes in Allaah as one Lord, as [the only] One who is worshipped, [i.e., fulfilling all requirements of tawhid like all Muslims should] and what is not meant by [this saying], ‘that He is the only One worshipped,’ [is to restrict it to only mean] that he prays just to Him, no, for if he called upon Khidr in a time of need then he would not have worshipped Allaah alone, since supplication is part of worship, he (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said, “Du’aa is worship.”

So we hope that he [i.e., Deedat] has studied the correct tawhid in his land so that he is a muwahhid [monotheist, who] singles Allaah out solely in His Essence, in His worship, a muwahhid of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic, in relation to His Attributes, [i.e., the] three [categories of tawhid], and then his jihaad would be something about which we could say that he has performed an obligatory duty that all of the [other] Shaikhs did not carry out.



Shaikh al-Albaani: Yes, by Allaah. May Allaah reward him with good.

Questioner: May Allaah bless you, our Shaikh, may Allaah bless us by [allowing us to benefit from] your life, inshaa Allaah.

Subhan Allah... it shows the wisdom of Shaykh Albaani. may Allah have mercy on his soul.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

I've read many of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's books (may Allah be pleased with him) and his debates, I don't think he is belongs to a sect or any of that kind.

 

[Ershad]

I've read many of Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's books (may Allah be pleased with him) and his debates, I don't think he is belongs to a sect or any of that kind.

:salam2: brother,

No, brother. He does not belong to any sect or anything. That is not the point. But, some of the beliefs he has is also claimed by a deviant sect. I don't know if you have read the book "Al-Qur'an the Miracle of Miracles" by Ahmad Deedat. Below is a fatwa regarding that book. May Allah rectify his mistakes.

Ahmad Deedat's "Al-Qur'an the Miracle of Miracles"​

Q: Ahmad Deedat said in his book "Al-Qur'an the Miracle of Miracles" that Qur'an includes many references to the number 19 and its multiplications. He gave many examples and here are some of them:

- The word "Ism (name)" is mentioned 19 times in the Qur'an.

- The word "Allah" is mentioned 2698 (19 x 142) times in the Qur'an.

- The word "Al-Rahim (the Compassionate)" is mentioned 114 (19 x 6) times in the Qur'an.

- The letter "ý" is mentioned 133 (19 x 7) times in Surah Al-Qalam.

He also made reference to the study conducted by Dr. Rashad Khalifah in his book "Al-Qur`an Taqdim Mar'y li-Mu`jizah". Here are some examples of the points he raised:

- The first Qur'anic revelation is composed of 19 words which include 76 (19 x 4) letters.

- The first Surah (Qur'anic chapter) revealed in the Qur'an includes 19 Ayahs (Qur'anic verses) and 285 (19 x 15) letters, etc.

Please give us your Fatwa (legal opinion issued by a qualified Muslim scholar) in this regard.

A: This study is among the fabricated falsities of a sect called Al-Batiniyyah Al-Baha'iyyah. It is based on glorifying the number 19. There is no doubt that this study is false, as it involves manipulating the Glorious Qur'an and distracting people from pondering its true meanings.

This malicious group holds many false beliefs such as some of its leaders claiming prophethood. Its followers believe in Hulul (a Sufi term meaning indwelling) and Ittihad (a Sufi claim of union with Allah), deem Jihad (fighting in the Cause of Allah) to be unlawful and call for the unification of religions plus many other things. So it is the duty of Muslims to beware of falling into this evil group and of being affected by its ideas or books. We ask Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) to save us from their plotting and to protect Muslims from their evils, for He is All-Powerful.

May Allah grant us success! May peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and Companions!

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[Son of Adam]

Why are certain things that are innovations and were not followed by the Salaf as Saliheen considered Bidah (innovations), yet others are not. Such as the innovation of the celebration of the Prophet's birthday, similarly in regards to television and the use of electric lighting, such things were not used by them, and directly go against Hadith as well, such as the Hadith against having pictures of humans in one's homes, also the several Hadith that show the example and wisdom of the Prophet, in how he slept on a bed made of date tree leaves which left marks on his back, and when a companion questioned him about this with sadness and remarking about how their enemies (the rulers of the Persian and Roman empires) had luxurious beds to recline on. The Prophet responded by humbly sitting upright and saying that victory is with the side that lives with such humbleness and simplicity. Similarly the Quran and Hadith call against unwise use of money. The electrification of the Mosque of the Kaaba, including the lighting, air-conditioning, escalators, and all sorts of expenses wasted by the Monarchs, while many people remain hungry in neighboring countries, shows how they have misused the blessings they were bestowed with when they were victorious through their alliance with the Salafi movement promoted by Abdul Wahab, from which comes the term Wahabi.

The Ikhwan were the original fighters whom helped the Saudi family come to power across Arabia, in accordance with their devout obedience to the Quran and Hadith they did not use mechanized weaponry, and abstained from all modern technologies, and still they won battles across Arabia and even won against battles with the most technologically advanced military at that time, that of the British empire, they defeated them in battles using the same weapons used by the Prophet and his companions, lances and swords. And yet Allah gave them victory as Allah promises. Reading the stories of their successes is worth checking out. They are the modern example of those whom gave their lives devoutly following the example of the Prophet and living purely and humbly in accordance with the Quran (Revelation) and Hadith (Wisdom) of the Prophet.

The Salafi are the only ones whom have the key to understanding the means by which Muslims can remain united and at the same time victorious through obedience to Allah. By following ONLY the example of the righteous predecessors (Salaf as Saliheen), and in doing so fulfilling the commandment of the Prophet to follow the model and example of the Salaf as Saliheen, the true Salafi save the expenses of electrification of society, the corruption of television, and many other innovations. Television is an innovation, because the Salaf as Saliheen did not use anything such as a television, and the television set itself is a musical instrument which is forbidden in Hadith. So either way you look at it television is a harmful poison for the Muslim home, that invites the disfavor of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'Allah.

In Islam there is no extreme Muslim, there are only those on the straight path, and those on the crooked path. A terrorist who kills innocent persons in the name of Islam, is not an example of an extremist or religious Muslim, but a person who is clearly on the crooked path, for the Quran clearly forbids the taking of innocent life, comparing the loss of one innocent life to the killing of the entire human family.

I would like to close with this Hadith, which reminds us to do the opposite of the Pagans do, while at the same time this Hadith makes it mandatory for true believing men (Momineen), to not cut their beards, and to trim their mustaches.

Sahih Bukhari
by Imam Bukhari, translation by M. Muhsin Khan
Chapter: Dress
780. Narrated Nafi`
Ibn `Umar said, The Prophet said, 'Do the opposite of what the pagans do. Keep the beards and cut the moustaches short.' Whenever Ibn `Umar performed the Hajj or `Umra, he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches. Ibn `Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible, and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard.

 

[Ershad]

Why are certain things that are innovations and were not followed by the Salaf as Saliheen considered Bidah (innovations), yet others are not. Such as the innovation of the celebration of the Prophet's birthday, similarly in regards to television and the use of electric lighting, such things were not used by them, and directly go against Hadith as well, such as the Hadith against having pictures of humans in one's homes, also the several Hadith that show the example and wisdom of the Prophet, in how he slept on a bed made of date tree leaves which left marks on his back, and when a companion questioned him about this with sadness and remarking about how their enemies (the rulers of the Persian and Roman empires) had luxurious beds to recline on. The Prophet responded by humbly sitting upright and saying that victory is with the side that lives with such humbleness and simplicity. Similarly the Quran and Hadith call against unwise use of money. The electrification of the Mosque of the Kaaba, including the lighting, air-conditioning, escalators, and all sorts of expenses wasted by the Monarchs, while many people remain hungry in neighboring countries, shows how they have misused the blessings they were bestowed with when they were victorious through their alliance with the Salafi movement promoted by Abdul Wahab, from which comes the term Wahabi.

The Ikhwan were the original fighters whom helped the Saudi family come to power across Arabia, in accordance with their devout obedience to the Quran and Hadith they did not use mechanized weaponry, and abstained from all modern technologies, and still they won battles across Arabia and even won against battles with the most technologically advanced military at that time, that of the British empire, they defeated them in battles using the same weapons used by the Prophet and his companions, lances and swords. And yet Allah gave them victory as Allah promises. Reading the stories of their successes is worth checking out. They are the modern example of those whom gave their lives devoutly following the example of the Prophet and living purely and humbly in accordance with the Quran (Revelation) and Hadith (Wisdom) of the Prophet.

The Salafi are the only ones whom have the key to understanding the means by which Muslims can remain united and at the same time victorious through obedience to Allah. By following ONLY the example of the righteous predecessors (Salaf as Saliheen), and in doing so fulfilling the commandment of the Prophet to follow the model and example of the Salaf as Saliheen, the true Salafi save the expenses of electrification of society, the corruption of television, and many other innovations. Television is an innovation, because the Salaf as Saliheen did not use anything such as a television, and the television set itself is a musical instrument which is forbidden in Hadith. So either way you look at it television is a harmful poison for the Muslim home, that invites the disfavor of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'Allah.

In Islam there is no extreme Muslim, there are only those on the straight path, and those on the crooked path. A terrorist who kills innocent persons in the name of Islam, is not an example of an extremist or religious Muslim, but a person who is clearly on the crooked path, for the Quran clearly forbids the taking of innocent life, comparing the loss of one innocent life to the killing of the entire human family.

I would like to close with this Hadith, which reminds us to do the opposite of the Pagans do, while at the same time this Hadith makes it mandatory for true believing men (Momineen), to not cut their beards, and to trim their mustaches.

Sahih Bukhari
by Imam Bukhari, translation by M. Muhsin Khan
Chapter: Dress
780. Narrated Nafi`
Ibn `Umar said, The Prophet said, 'Do the opposite of what the pagans do. Keep the beards and cut the moustaches short.' Whenever Ibn `Umar performed the Hajj or `Umra, he used to hold his beard with his hand and cut whatever moustaches. Ibn `Umar used to cut his moustache so short that the whiteness of his skin (above the upper lip) was visible, and he used to cut (the hair) between his moustaches and his beard.

:salam2:

Brother, by innovation we mean innovation in faith, not innovation in technology. TV is good if they are used to see good things and programs. However, it is a big fitna. However, you cannot say using TV is not permissible. However, it is recommended you not use TV since almost every channel has unislamic stuff in it.

And yes, we have to follow the understanding of the salaf in the matters of faith and that is what the Ulema do.

 

[Son of Adam]

:salam2:

Brother, by innovation we mean innovation in faith, not innovation in technology. TV is good if they are used to see good things and programs. However, it is a big fitna. However, you cannot say using TV is not permissible. However, it is recommended you not use TV since almost every channel has unislamic stuff in it.

Dear Brother, below are many Hadith which clearly show how Television, being an instrument of music as well as pictures, is unlawful.

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #69, Hadith #494v)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan. (Book #024, Hadith #5279)

Abu Talha Ansari reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Angels do not enter the house in which there is a picture or portraits. I came to 'A'isha and said to her: This is a news that I have received that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had said: Angels do not enter the house in which there is a picture or a dog, (and further added) whether she had heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) making a mention of it. She said: No (I did not hear this myself), but I narrate to you what I saw him doing. I bear testimony to the fact that he (the Holy Prophet) set out for an expedition. I took a carpet and screened the door with it. When he (the Holy Prophet) came back he saw that carpet and I perceived signs of disapproval on his face. He pulled it until it was torn or it was cut (into pieces) and he said: God has not commanded us to clothe stones and clay. We cut it (the curtain) and prepared two pillowa out of it by stuffing them with the fibre of date-palms and he (the Holy Prophet) did not find fault with it. (Book #024, Hadith #5254)

A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) entered (my apartment) and I had hung (on the door of my apartment) a thin curtain having pictures on it. The colour of his face underwent a change. He then took hold of that curtain and tore it and then said: The most grievous torment for the people on the Day of Resurrection would be for those who try to imitate Allah in the act of creation. (Book #024, Hadith #5258)

 

[Son of Adam]

:salam2:

Brother, by innovation we mean innovation in faith, not innovation in technology. TV is good if they are used to see good things and programs. However, it is a big fitna. However, you cannot say using TV is not permissible. However, it is recommended you not use TV since almost every channel has unislamic stuff in it.

[CORRECTION: IN MY PREVIOUS POST I POSTED THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE BOOK NUMBER AND HADITH NUMBER AND LEFT OUT THE REFERENCES TO THE SPECIFIC HADITH COLLECTION FROM WHICH I QUOTED, I CORRECTED IT BELOW]

Dear Brother, below are many Hadith which clearly show how Television, being an instrument of music as well as pictures, is unlawful.

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari: that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari Book #69, Hadith #494v)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The bell is the musical instrument of the Satan. (Sahih Muslim Book #024, Hadith #5279)

Abu Talha Ansari reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Angels do not enter the house in which there is a picture or portraits. I came to 'A'isha and said to her: This is a news that I have received that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had said: Angels do not enter the house in which there is a picture or a dog, (and further added) whether she had heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) making a mention of it. She said: No (I did not hear this myself), but I narrate to you what I saw him doing. I bear testimony to the fact that he (the Holy Prophet) set out for an expedition. I took a carpet and screened the door with it. When he (the Holy Prophet) came back he saw that carpet and I perceived signs of disapproval on his face. He pulled it until it was torn or it was cut (into pieces) and he said: God has not commanded us to clothe stones and clay. We cut it (the curtain) and prepared two pillowa out of it by stuffing them with the fibre of date-palms and he (the Holy Prophet) did not find fault with it. (Sahih Muslim Book #024, Hadith #5254)

A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) entered (my apartment) and I had hung (on the door of my apartment) a thin curtain having pictures on it. The colour of his face underwent a change. He then took hold of that curtain and tore it and then said: The most grievous torment for the people on the Day of Resurrection would be for those who try to imitate Allah in the act of creation. (Sahih Muslim Book #024, Hadith #5258)

 

[Ershad]

Dear Brother, below are many Hadith which clearly show how Television, being an instrument of music as well as pictures, is unlawful.

Assalamu Alaikkum,

Television is not a instrument of music. It is instrument of broadcasting. If you use it for music, then music is haram. That is why I called it fitna. However, what you see in it are not pictures. They are video and you do not store it to see later. You are not seeing the wisdom behind the hadith.
Don't you listen to lectures on youtube? Would you call computers haram as well?

 

[Son of Adam]

Assalamu Alaikkum,

Television is not a instrument of music. It is instrument of broadcasting. If you use it for music, then music is haram. That is why I called it fitna. However, what you see in it are not pictures. They are video and you do not store it to see later. You are not seeing the wisdom behind the hadith.
Don't you listen to lectures on youtube? Would you call computers haram as well?

Walaikum Assalam

Dear Brother, my intention is not to debate opinions with you, but facts of faith, for who are we to make opinions on matters of faith, once it has been settled that after the Salaf as saliheen, all who come after are not to be relied upon in matters of faith.

You do agree that music is haram, however do you also agree that pictures are haram as well, as you defended television against being a device used for broadcasting pictures, though it is an instrument of music as well as pictures, and video, however the Hadith clearly show that the intention of forbidding the making of pictures was to stop people from imitating the creation of Allah. Even if it is for the intention of instruction, or whatever purpose, we must be careful not to offend Allah, the Creator (Al-Khaaliq).

Yet, we see how innovations even like computers, has made Muslims buy into the habits of non-Muslims, without first examining our own laws of living, such as how to the right of the form for entering text to post on this thread, you see various pictures of things being given characteristics of the creation of Allah, which as I cited is forbidden by the Prophet of Allah.

We can't even communicate using a computer or any technology (innovation) that has come since the time of the Salaf as Saliheen, that does not mix such haram things. Either we totally abandon such innovations and the numerous haram things they lead us towards, and the difficulties they place on following the straight path. Or we fall into error, and provoke the wrath of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'Allah.

All I can do is offer you references from the Hadith and the Quran, and how not following them is leading us into such difficulties in following the straight path, however the true believers (Momineen) have no such trouble, an example of such are the Ikhwan, whom were also followers of the Manhaj of the Salafiyyah. The descendants and survivors of the Ikhwan protested against the introduction of Television into Saudi Arabia, at one time the scholars were against Television, then through Western pressures, they were able to get their weapon (Trojan horse), television, into the kingdom. Now the government desperately attempts to control content on television, it is a never ending crisis that the Prophet saved the Momineen from by commanding us to not have innovation in religion. Pictures are forbidden, you call it broadcasting of video, but by definition video is a series of moving pictures that makes an illusion of animation. I don't want to get into the proven medical and psychological and social damage caused by it, but I think this is enough for now. However if you want I can prove you the medical, psychological, and social damage television causes, and this just proves that anything Allah and His Prophet make unlawful (sin), is a protection for the obedient from the consequences of the sin.

Here are some relevant Hadith:

'Asim reported: I asked Anas b. Malik whether Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had declared Medina as sacred. He said: Yes. (the area) between so and so. He who made any innovation in it, and further said to me: It is something serious to make any innovation in it (and he who does it) there is upon him the curse of Allah, and that of the angels and of all the people, Allah will not accept from him on the Day of Resurrection either obligatory acts or the surpererogatory acts. Ibn Anas said: Or he accommodates an innovator. (Sahih Muslim Book #007, Hadith #3159)

Narrated Irbad ibn Sariyah: AbdurRahman ibn Amr as-Sulami and Hujr ibn Hujr said: We came to Irbad ibn Sariyah who was among those about whom the following verse was revealed: "Nor (is there blame) on those who come to thee to be provided with mounts, and when thou saidst: "I can find no mounts for you." We greeted him and said: We have come to see you to give healing and obtain benefit from you. Al-Irbad said: One day the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) led us in prayer, then faced us and gave us a lengthy exhortation at which the eyes shed tears and the hearts were afraid. A man said: Apostle of Allah! It seems as if it were a farewell exhortation, so what injunction do you give us? He then said: I enjoin you to fear Allah, and to hear and obey even if it be an Abyssinian slave, for those of you who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my sunnah and that of the rightly-guided caliphs. Hold to it and stick fast to it. Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book #40, Hadith #4590)

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: Qays ibn Abbad and Ashtar went to Ali and said to him: Did the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) give you any instruction about anything for which he did not give any instruction to the people in general? He said: No, except what is contained in this document of mine. Musaddad said: He then took out a document. Ahmad said: A document from the sheath of his sword. It contained: The lives of all Muslims are equal; they are one hand against others; the lowliest of them can guarantee their protection. Beware, a Muslim must not be killed for an infidel, nor must one who has been given a covenant be killed while his covenant holds. If anyone introduces an innovation, he will be responsible for it. If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in religion), he is cursed by Allah, by His angels, and by all the people. Musaddad said: Ibn AbuUrubah's version has: He took out a document. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book #39, Hadith #4515)

 

[MuslimShadow]

May ALLAH grant Ahmed deedat jannah. ameen.

 

[Ershad]

Walaikum Assalam

Dear Brother, my intention is not to debate opinions with you, but facts of faith, for who are we to make opinions on matters of faith, once it has been settled that after the Salaf as saliheen, all who come after are not to be relied upon in matters of faith.

You do agree that music is haram, however do you also agree that pictures are haram as well, as you defended television against being a device used for broadcasting pictures, though it is an instrument of music as well as pictures, and video, however the Hadith clearly show that the intention of forbidding the making of pictures was to stop people from imitating the creation of Allah. Even if it is for the intention of instruction, or whatever purpose, we must be careful not to offend Allah, the Creator (Al-Khaaliq).

Yet, we see how innovations even like computers, has made Muslims buy into the habits of non-Muslims, without first examining our own laws of living, such as how to the right of the form for entering text to post on this thread, you see various pictures of things being given characteristics of the creation of Allah, which as I cited is forbidden by the Prophet of Allah.

We can't even communicate using a computer or any technology (innovation) that has come since the time of the Salaf as Saliheen, that does not mix such haram things. Either we totally abandon such innovations and the numerous haram things they lead us towards, and the difficulties they place on following the straight path. Or we fall into error, and provoke the wrath of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'Allah.

All I can do is offer you references from the Hadith and the Quran, and how not following them is leading us into such difficulties in following the straight path, however the true believers (Momineen) have no such trouble, an example of such are the Ikhwan, whom were also followers of the Manhaj of the Salafiyyah. The descendants and survivors of the Ikhwan protested against the introduction of Television into Saudi Arabia, at one time the scholars were against Television, then through Western pressures, they were able to get their weapon (Trojan horse), television, into the kingdom. Now the government desperately attempts to control content on television, it is a never ending crisis that the Prophet saved the Momineen from by commanding us to not have innovation in religion. Pictures are forbidden, you call it broadcasting of video, but by definition video is a series of moving pictures that makes an illusion of animation. I don't want to get into the proven medical and psychological and social damage caused by it, but I think this is enough for now. However if you want I can prove you the medical, psychological, and social damage television causes, and this just proves that anything Allah and His Prophet make unlawful (sin), is a protection for the obedient from the consequences of the sin.

Here are some relevant Hadith:

'Asim reported: I asked Anas b. Malik whether Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) had declared Medina as sacred. He said: Yes. (the area) between so and so. He who made any innovation in it, and further said to me: It is something serious to make any innovation in it (and he who does it) there is upon him the curse of Allah, and that of the angels and of all the people, Allah will not accept from him on the Day of Resurrection either obligatory acts or the surpererogatory acts. Ibn Anas said: Or he accommodates an innovator. (Sahih Muslim Book #007, Hadith #3159)

Narrated Irbad ibn Sariyah: AbdurRahman ibn Amr as-Sulami and Hujr ibn Hujr said: We came to Irbad ibn Sariyah who was among those about whom the following verse was revealed: "Nor (is there blame) on those who come to thee to be provided with mounts, and when thou saidst: "I can find no mounts for you." We greeted him and said: We have come to see you to give healing and obtain benefit from you. Al-Irbad said: One day the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) led us in prayer, then faced us and gave us a lengthy exhortation at which the eyes shed tears and the hearts were afraid. A man said: Apostle of Allah! It seems as if it were a farewell exhortation, so what injunction do you give us? He then said: I enjoin you to fear Allah, and to hear and obey even if it be an Abyssinian slave, for those of you who live after me will see great disagreement. You must then follow my sunnah and that of the rightly-guided caliphs. Hold to it and stick fast to it. Avoid novelties, for every novelty is an innovation, and every innovation is an error. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book #40, Hadith #4590)

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: Qays ibn Abbad and Ashtar went to Ali and said to him: Did the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) give you any instruction about anything for which he did not give any instruction to the people in general? He said: No, except what is contained in this document of mine. Musaddad said: He then took out a document. Ahmad said: A document from the sheath of his sword. It contained: The lives of all Muslims are equal; they are one hand against others; the lowliest of them can guarantee their protection. Beware, a Muslim must not be killed for an infidel, nor must one who has been given a covenant be killed while his covenant holds. If anyone introduces an innovation, he will be responsible for it. If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in religion), he is cursed by Allah, by His angels, and by all the people. Musaddad said: Ibn AbuUrubah's version has: He took out a document. (Sunan Abu Dawud Book #39, Hadith #4515)

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Dear brother, I agree pictures are haram, photographs of people are haram. They are permanent images. They are haram. But I am just saying television is a different thing. That is the view of the scholars as well who are upon the manhaj of the salafiyyah. So you say computer are haram.. because there are images in computer as well, for example.. if you see all emoticons, they are images. If you see the logon page of windows OS, it is a image. It is a nice discussion. However, I request you to post this discussion in a new thread. Because then we will know what other people who are more knowledgeable than me have to say. Also the purpose of this thread is not TV or computer. So, we are deviating from the opening post.

and please refer to this thread - http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5423 and http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66413

All I am trying to say is television is an equipment and you cannot call it is haram in itself. There are television program which promote evil and they are haram. But, there are good programs which increases faith as well. For e.g. now we can see hajj live using TV or listen to lectures using TV. If you do that, you cannot call TV as haram.

And Allah knows the best.

 

[sqsohaib]

nice keep it up.

 

[rahman2040]

:salam2:
I love shaikh Ahmed Deedat [may Allah grant him jannah] debates.

firstly he is a human, and humans have tendency to make mistakes.
secondly he was the person for the sake of Daawa work went to western world and spread islam.
At such a time when west was not much know of Islam and his teachings.
for the sake of spreading islam in west he left his country, yet he was said he is not a scholar...
only Allah knows how many were inspired by him and recognized Allah[sa] and his given religion.

may Allah[sa] forgive us

 

[Itqan Ullah]

:salam2:
I love shaikh Ahmed Deedat [may Allah grant him jannah] debates.

firstly he is a human, and humans have tendency to make mistakes.
secondly he was the person for the sake of Daawa work went to western world and spread islam.
At such a time when west was not much know of Islam and his teachings.
for the sake of spreading islam in west he left his country, yet he was said he is not a scholar...
only Allah knows how many were inspired by him and recognized Allah[sa] and his given religion.

may Allah[sa] forgive us

100% agreed.
Brother ErshadAhamed I don't think this it is correct to criticize sheikh (may allah have mercy on him), although he had many mistakes but we must realize every daee has mistakes so instead of creating a thread on "refuting so and so by name" you could have created a thread about "Incorrect beliefs among some people" that would be more effective and useful. Warning people against innovators is important but the warning must be against INNOVATORS not against people whose majority of portion was sunnah and they have mistakes in them. There are some people who critisize Dr. Zakir Naik also although I dont say is wrong but the outcome is undesirable and creating more divisions in muslim's than actually benefitting them and the people who benefit from this are enemies of Islam.

Jazakallah Khairan

 

[Ershad]

100% agreed.
Brother ErshadAhamed I don't think this it is correct to criticize sheikh (may allah have mercy on him), although he had many mistakes but we must realize every daee has mistakes so instead of creating a thread on "refuting so and so by name" you could have created a thread about "Incorrect beliefs among some people" that would be more effective and useful. Warning people against innovators is important but the warning must be against INNOVATORS not against people whose majority of portion was sunnah and they have mistakes in them. There are some people who critisize Dr. Zakir Naik also although I dont say is wrong but the outcome is undesirable and creating more divisions in muslim's than actually benefitting them and the people who benefit from this are enemies of Islam.

Jazakallah Khairan

:salam2:

I agree brother. Personally, I don't have anything against Ahmad Deedat or Zakir Naik. In fact, being from Indian background, when I started seeking knowledge, I started with their lectures. I personally like Ahmad Deedat debating with Christians and so forth.

Usually, scholars overlook other scholars mistakes if it is just difference of opinion. However, celebrating christmas and mawlid is a serious bid'ah which people need to be warned about. I know few people who piously follow zakir naik and Ahmad Deedat lectures and don't accept any criticism of them. It is important that we should warn them against this.

However, I accept that I could have changed the thread topic. I apologize for that. I will keep that in mind for future.

Jazakallahu Khairan