SHOULD A MUSLIM PARTICIPATE IN democracy ???

[samiha]

:salam2:

cha i gotta go... but good luck whatever ya'll choose. not that there is such a thing as luck. yeah, an Islamic Country should follow the Shari'ah, but when it's not, and when you're not in one then who's to say what? The book I got my information from was revised by Sk. Mubarakpuri, so I think the information is reliable in regardes to Democracy and what not. The Shari'ah is not democracy, nor autocracy, nor whatever in between as an ENTIRETY. But it's principles and way of working can be classed (if needed) as a autocratic democratic rule. I mean I don't see anything wrong with that.

Man, I think we all need get out of UK/US before sayin anything about this... we're living under 'democracy' yet saying it bites. true maybe, but it sounds like a pathetic whiny kid. If we can change something then do it... or just i don't know anymore.

I gotta go. laterz have fun with whatever we were discussing.

 

[amyaishazouaoui]

I know, whats your point?



Thats a nice story. I wouldnt vote, wouldnt do the evil, which is HARAAM, dont you think Allaah has given you a way that isnt forbidden?
An easier way to spread the deen? Come on! stop it with the hypothetical situations when Islaam isnt a hypothetical way of life.

Oh yeh

wa alaikumassalaam.

:salam2:

How is voting haraam. Has it been forbidden in the quran????? Don't use the word haraam if you cannot provide a reference for it.

Vote for someone like salma yaqoob or not vote and allow BNP to get in.........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm difficult decision.
While you may want to be opressed under BNP rule many of us dont.

 

[hussain.mahammed]

As salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wabrakatuhu
I agree with brother Shaheed. Rule by Shariah can never come closer to democracy or socialism or anything else which are man made. Democracy is rule by majority over minority.

 

[al-fajr]

:salam2:

How is voting haraam. Has it been forbidden in the quran????? Don't use the word haraam if you cannot provide a reference for it.

Vote for someone like salma yaqoob or not vote and allow BNP to get in.........hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm difficult decision.
While you may want to be opressed under BNP rule many of us dont.

:salam2:

it isnt specified in the Quran that voting is haram no, but this is what it does say:

"O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than
your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they
love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of
their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We
have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand. Lo! you
are they who will love them while they do not love you, and you believe in
the Book (in) the whole of it; and when they meet you they say: We believe,
and when they are alone, they bite the ends of their fingers in rage against
you. Say: Die in your rage; surely Allah knows what is in the breasts."
[3:118-119]

Allah (swt) also says,

"O you who believe! do not take for guardians those who take your religion
for a mockery and a joke, from among those who were given the Book before
you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are
believers." [5:57]

And in another place in the Qur'an,

"You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil
is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became
displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide. And had they
believed in Allah and the prophet and what was revealed to him, they would
not have taken them for friends but! most of them are transgressors."
[5:80-81]

wa-salam

 

[alkathiri]

"Whoever determines the truth from people alone will remain lost in the plains of bewilderment. Rather, know the [f: way of] truth, and you'll know its people." [Ghazali, Ihya `Ulum al-Din, 'The Book of Knowledge']

 

[nyerekareem]

:salam2:

ideally, as muslims we would like to live under a khalifah. there is a problem, we don't live under one. it is important for us to vote and take part in the process. we vote with who may be more sympathetic to islam. if we fail to vote, we will be voiceless and if there is any group that needs to keep it's voice is we muslims. i believe that we shouldn't seek seats of office such as senators or presidents in a non-muslim government, due to the fact that many of these politicians have to make very haram decisions. non-muslims may not see their leader's decisions to be haram, but we as muslims have to remain steadfast in that regard.

 

[Globalpeace]

Islam & Democracy: Polar Opposites!

Asslamo Allaikum,

Democracy is the complete anti-thesis of Islam as in Islam “Sovereignty belongs to Allah” while in democracy “Sovereignty belongs to the people”.

The examples and performances of Islamic political parties such as “Ikhwanul-Muslimeen” “Jamaat-e-Islami” are enough to convince anyone that they are abysmal failures. They have categorically failed in Establishing Islam despite the best of intentions.

In Egypt & Pakistan Muslims have VOTED to change the domestic laws of Islam as clearly stated in the Qur’aan i.e. about fornication, polygamy. I say Egypt & Pakistan because these are the two Muslim countries with most active Muslim parties, there are many other examples. And this is worrying!

So in Egypt & Pakistan people have relegated Allah (SWT) from being a sovereign and changed His (SWT) injunctions by assuming “Sovereignty" for themselves.

Islam CAN NEVER be established through the modern political process.

Islam CAN ONLY be established through Qur’aan and Sunnah & I quote Imam Malik (RA):

The later generations of the Ummah will not be rectified EXCEPT by which the earlier generations were rectified (i.e. Qur’aan & Sunnah).

Having said all that! Voting for Muslims living in Non-Muslim lands is permissible to avoid the evil and if we don’t we sill suffer greatly & that is my personal opinion backed by Scholars & I have already put the evidence in a thread somewhere.

“Sovereignty belongs to Allah”

Unless and until we understand this cearly our communities will fail, our Mosques will fail, our marraiges will fail, our nations will fail.

 

[FAH1223]

When speaking of democracy, we are not speaking of the American Democracy. Democracy is the only system of government that is Islamic.

Democracy consists of a set of values and procedures. One of most the important values of democracy is people's right to choose their leader and not to be ruled by force or tyranny. This is also an Islamic value, which we call shura or mutual consultation.

Another important value is checks and balances by which powers are distributed and separated in a way that achieves independence of each power and the ability to check and correct each other. In Qur'anic terminology, this is called al-mudafa`ah, which is a very important Islamic concept that protects the society against corruption. Almighty Allah says, [Had not Allah checked one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief] (Al-Baqarah 2:251).

As for the procedures of democracy, such as elections, voting, campaigning, et cetera, these are means for achieving principles. In this sense, democracy is also an Islamic principle. This does not mean that each democratic country is Islamic, but it does mean that each Islamic country should be democratic.

The Qur'an sets three pillars to the Islamic political system...
1)wa amrohom shoora bainahom..... meaning the issues are to be a subject of joint consultancy and decision among themselves....
2)wa itha 7akamtom baina an-nas an ta7komoo bil 3adl...... meaning if you rule among people you should do it abiding to justice....
3) wa a6ee3o Allah wa a6ee3o ar-rasool wa ole al amr minkom.....meaning obey
Allah and obey the Messenger and the people in charge among you...


Put it in in today's context:

1)Democracy (joint consultancy and decision making among all people).


2) Justice (includes both legal and social justice)

3) Discipline to law and order (SHARIAH *hint hint*)....and to state heirarchy...

With time....Muslim rulers (to satisfy their ambitions for
dictatorship...) assisted by scholars...(to get some more
privileges from rulers)....started (most probably intentionally)...to
overlook and neglect the first and second principles. To highlight and
stress the third, nowadays you still find Islamists who
enthusiastically argue that Islamic political system is only about
obeying the ruler...(al ameer or al imam).


That's of course a distortion of the original theme....a big and dangerous one.... which is why we see the state the Islamic world is in today. And, part of why we do not have a Caliphate or any sort of Islamic state worldwide. Most of these posts in this thread are talking Western democracy and that isn't compatible with the Islamic world or law. But there are so many types of democracies and Muslims used it during the golden age and it obviously worked.

 

[Mabsoot]

:salam2:
Please can people refrain from making their own Fatwa! The following is with what the Scholars say about the Muslims living in non-Muslim countries:

Muslim Minorities Can Vote in The Lands of Non-Muslims

wasalam.