the meaning of this

[podolski11]

salam


Masruuq (radiAllahu anhu) said: "We asked Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud about this verse: “And do not regard those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead, rather, they are alive with their Lord and being provided for."
[Surah ali' Imran, 3: 169]


what does this hadith mean and how do u tell people that this doesnt mean that going to holy shrines is alrite and asking those holy dead people to ask Allah swt to help them out...........most of my family members who go there are on the basis of this hadith....r they misinterpreting this hadith or something?

thank u

 

[amjaddamen]

salam


Masruuq (radiAllahu anhu) said: "We asked Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud about this verse: “And do not regard those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead, rather, they are alive with their Lord and being provided for."
[Surah ali' Imran, 3: 169]


what does this hadith mean and how do u tell people that this doesnt mean that going to holy shrines is alrite and asking those holy dead people to ask Allah swt to help them out...........most of my family members who go there are on the basis of this hadith....r they misinterpreting this hadith or something?

thank u

dear brother or sister :
i will answer you just from your post
no one can tell that this one is killed in the cause of Allah or not even if he died in battle field ,but the prophet (pbuh) , so it is finished case

 

[Amir_of_spain]

I'm pretty certain this is an ayat from quran, not an hadith, and it was revealed down after a battle, where in some muslims were shahid. As for visiting shrines this is balent shirk and to understand this is a basic principle of Islam ie tawheed, so u will have to explain tawheed and the associated articles of imaan to them and how much allah despises the people who do shirk.

 

[Solemn_G]

As-salaamu alaykum

With regard to the life of the martyrs with their Lord, it is the life of al-Barzakh, where their Lord honours them with the delights of Paradise, where their position varies according to their deeds and intentions in this world.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Think not of those as dead who are killed in the way of Allaah. Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision.

170. They rejoice in what Allaah has bestowed upon them of His Bounty and rejoice for the sake of those who have not yet joined them, but are left behind (not yet martyred) that on them no fear shall come, nor shall they grieve.

171. They rejoice in a grace and a bounty from Allaah, and that Allaah will not waste the reward of the believers”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:169-171]

“And say not of those who are killed in the way of Allaah, ‘They are dead.’ Nay, they are living, but you perceive (it) not”

[al-Baqarah 2:154]

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

What is meant is that they are alive with their Lord, as it says in the verse from Aal ‘Imraan, but it is the life of al-barzakh and we do not know how it is. They have no need for food, drink or air, hence Allaah says “but you perceive (it) not” i.e., you do not perceive that they are living, because it is the life of al-barzakh in the unseen. If Allaah had not told us about it we would have no knowledge of it.

Another thing we learn from the verse is that the martyrs are alive, but it is the life of al-barzakh which is nothing like life in this world, rather it is better and greater, but we do not know how it is. End quote.

Tafseer Soorat al-Baqarah (2/176, 177).

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, under the heading: Chapter on the location of the souls of the dead in al-Barzakh:

As for the martyrs, most of the scholars are of the view that they are in Paradise. There are many ahaadeeth which speak of that.

In Saheeh Muslim (1887) it is narrated that Masrooq said: We asked ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood about this verse: “Think not of those as dead who are killed in the way of Allaah . Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:169]. He said: We also asked about that, and he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said: “Their souls are in the crops of green birds, which have lamps hanging from the Throne, and they roam freely wherever they want in Paradise, then they return to those lamps…”

Imam Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim narrated, in a report that was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb (1379), from Sa’eed ibn Jubayr, that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When your brethren were slain at Uhud, your Lord put their souls in the crops of green birds that go to the rivers of Paradise and eat of its fruits, then they go back to lamps of gold that are hanging in the shade of the Throne. When they find their food and drink and abode they said: Who will convey to our brethren that we are alive in Paradise and receiving provision, so that they will not give up fighting or turn away from jihad? And Allaah said: I shall tell them about you. Then Allaah, may He be exalted, revealed the verse: ‘Think not of those as dead who are killed in the way of Allaah . Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision’ [Aal ‘Imraan 3:169].”

Al-Tirmidhi and al-Haakim narrated, in a report that was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb (13762) from Ibn ‘Abbaas that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I saw Ja’far ibn Abi Taalib as an angel flying in Paradise with the angels, with two wings.” End quote.

Ahwaal al-Quboor (p. 92-104).

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/71284/martyrs are alive

So as you can see the martyrs are in Paradise according to the beleif of the scholars. They can not hear you if you pray to them or visit shrines, the same applies to the Prophets. I sincerily suggest that you educate your family that visiting such shrines is shirk and that they should stop.

Wa salaam

 

[Amir_of_spain]

The precise answer to the question is given above by brother G in the following paragraph:-

Imam Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim narrated, in a report that was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Targheeb (1379), from Sa’eed ibn Jubayr, that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When your brethren were slain at Uhud, your Lord put their souls in the crops of green birds that go to the rivers of Paradise and eat of its fruits, then they go back to lamps of gold that are hanging in the shade of the Throne. When they find their food and drink and abode they said: Who will convey to our brethren that we are alive in Paradise and receiving provision, so that they will not give up fighting or turn away from jihad? And Allaah said: I shall tell them about you. Then Allaah, may He be exalted, revealed the verse: ‘Think not of those as dead who are killed in the way of Allaah . Nay, they are alive, with their Lord, and they have provision’ [Aal ‘Imraan 3:169].”

 

[podolski11]

i still dont get it...could u explain it in simple english cause im really bad with the classic ones involving words like thy , nay, ye and other words like that

 

[massi]

i still dont get it...could u explain it in simple english cause im really bad with the classic ones involving words like thy , nay, ye and other words like that

:salam2:
just read the answer of Solemn_G again ...:lol: ​

 

[Almeftah]

i still dont get it...could u explain it in simple english cause im really bad with the classic ones involving words like thy , nay, ye and other words like that

In simple words..

Dua (supplement) must be only to Allah, Because only HE the almighty can answer it..
Making Dua to other than Allah is considered Shirk (worshiping others beside Allah), And Shirk is equal to Kufr (disbelief).
You don't need people to ask Allah for whatever you need, HE can hear you and see you everywhere you are at anytime. All you need is make your Dua from your heart, And you'll get your answer sooner or later.

If a living being is unable to help then a dead one surely can't. No matter how honorable this dead person is, He/she can do nothing to anyone else.

 

[al-fajr]

:salam2:

Its important to look at the verse within context:

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So it was revealed after the deaths at Uhud, those who are killed in the way of Allah (s), in Jihaad fesabilillah, are not dead.

Even so, the Shuhadah cannot help us in anyway. If people are using this verse in order to justify using 'holy' people, (who probably didn't even die in Jihaad) as intermediates between them and Allah (s) then its a greater problem than just the misinterpretation of this single Ayah because they've confused their understanding of Tawheed itself.