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    Peace be with you Sister Cariad. As you said the more anyone speaks for truth, for things that are important to and for them and are against the 'values of control' thrust upon the world in the name of (secular) freedom and democracy, the more you are a target and will be placed under the term 'hardliner, extremist' and the like and treated as such.
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    This is also the message of the Bible. Maybe we are not so very different in this. We just see it slightly different, as we see God as wishing for relationship with mankind but you see God as more distant from His creation. Main thing is we all have God in our lives, love God and worship God.
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    I am then an extremist for God and Yeshua, as all is love then I do not mind being considered extremist for love. :)
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    We all are Sister Cariad. As long as you oppose on moral principles, those things which Allah has taught us to abhor, to preach against and to see as wrong for all time.

    These include

    -Mixed marriages (inc. homosexuality, lesbianism and bisexuality)

    -Pre marital sexual relations, Fornication and all sexual and love/lust relations outside of marriage

    -Alcohol

    -Transvesticism

    -Bestiality

    -Prostitution

    -Celebration of pagan and pagan associated rituals, festivals etc. (e.g. halloween)

    Extremism further includes strongly promoting, preserving, upholding and defending certain ideals, belief systems and religious foundations.

    These include

    -Chastity

    -Devotion to Allah

    -The desire to meet with Allah in the Hereafter and for Him to be pleased with us as His loyal worshippers (i.e. the non fear of death itself and the yearning to be with Him in the Kingdom of Heaven)

    -The belief that the Devil exists and he is and has misled most of the human race through opposition to religion

    -The idea that 'to do what you will' is evil and will only lead to ruin

    Finally,

    Extremism has other characteristics and they include

    -To disbelieve science has all the answers and that space is not the final frontier (i.e. not to be a 'science worshipper' or 'technology worshipper' the way most secularists are)

    -To be against cloning of humans

    -To be against 'artificial humanity' [i.e. to have chips inside your brain to make you smarter for work purposes and be more productive without being tired and requesting higher pay]

    Therefore when you respond and challenge the current world system which is basically a work master and seeks to control thoughts and perceptions through mind control; you are an extremist and since religion is one such organised adversary to the NWO, it is the most serious rival to their dream of world domination.
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    I agree with most of your above points, except for alcohol. Not that I drink it anyway, because I don't. But God did not forbid alcohol in the Bible, drunkenness is forbidden. Drunkenness is the result not of drinking alcohol in moderation but drinking to excess. In fact moderation in all things is shown to be the best way, that includes gluttony which is also a sin. Adultery is also excess because man and woman were joined to be as one, there is only a need for two in a marriage. I see plural marriages as a form of adultery. Mormons were polygamists they may still practice it I'm not sure.

    Of course I see many peoples of ALL religions have a lot of work to do striving towards these ideals. But God likes a trier.
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    The radio broadcast was an adaption of HG Wells novel War of the worlds and adapted by actor and director Orson Welles, mostly famous for his movie Citizen Kane.
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    Thank you for the correction. The point remains the same. I have read however, the government in declassified files show the broadcast as made to see how the public would react to a fictional transcript if they did not know it was true.

    This would then the government of the day in the future information on how the public would believe or be easily manipulated if necessary about aliens and similar such subjects on the paranormal among other things.
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    Thank you for your comments. Allah tells us that alcohol has always been forbidden to the apostles of all nations including the Israelite prophets, among whom were Moses and Jesus, but that is where we differ in religion and we respect your opinions. I agree on the issue of drunkenness however, I have read that passage in the NT.

    In respect to Mormons. Officially, polygamy is not prohibited but is rarely practiced and many practising adherents are opposed to it both in principle and in action.

    On another point, plural marriages in Islam are about two forms only; polygyny and serial monogamy. The first as you may know is based on very strict conditions (they are not always followed by all Muslims), otherwise it is strongly prohibited.

    Serial monogamy is also restricted to chance, coincidence, need and responsibility and not deliberate policy. This is where for one reason or another people may marry more than once because of the reasons mentioned. This includes the death of one spouse and the need to raise very young children by the remaining parent (responsibility), to control one's desires after divorce (need), a person may at first not want to re marry but later change their mind (coincidence) and where a person feels there is a possibility of happiness in a second marriage where they did not find it in the first (chance).

    Finally, as you said God likes a trier, therefore we have a lot of work to do both individually and collectively. If we can help ourselves first, we can achieve so much more in helping others see the light and attain salvation themselves.
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    Well Yeshua turned the water into wine at the wedding at Cana. You may choose to say it was non alcoholic .. Not fermented.. Or even that it never happened. But the scripture does not support that. Besides given the dangers of drinking water at that time wine was the safer option.

    I should mention I do not see Mormons as christian, I believe their prophet Joseph Smith to be a false prophet. But even if they were christian they would not be obeying God by taking plural wives. The first marriage was consecrated between Adam and Eve ,.. Not Adam and Eve, and Eve, and Eve. :)

    I never mentioned Islamic plural marriages, that matter is for muslims. It seems a strange idea to me as a woman I cannot understand women would be happy to share a husband with another. But I expect some don't mind maybe.

    It's true that before we can hope to help others we each have to help ourselves. By being the best person we can be and live according to the glory of God.
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    First, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding about plural marriages in Islam. However, perhaps what I said may help you have a better understanding about the issue and concept of plural marriages in general.

    Second, Muslims also regard Joseph Smith as a false prophet and as such reject both his religious teachings and Mormonism in general, so hence we share some similar commonalities.

    Third, the passage in the NT where Jesus turns water into wine is absent in Islam, hence we neither accept nor reject it, but the issue of alcohol in Islam has remained the same with all the Prophets including as I mentioned Jesus. Its possible and conceivable Jesus did turn water into wine, but for a particular purpose and not necessarily for drinking.
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    No problem, but islamic or not I still see plural marriages as against God. But that's because I am a christian and follow the Bible, and the Bible does not condone polygamy. You have a different revelation where it is allowed. That's fine for you, but I can never make sense of it. I can see it makes sense to muslims.

    John Smith, another similarity that is to the good I think..ya.

    Well, it is in the Bible, and it is of great importance and it was not only drunk by the wedding guests it was also highly valued. We christians take many lessons from this miracle. Which has nothing to do with alcohol consumption. Wine was a fact of life for all Biblical prophets, I see that you do not see prophets in the same way and they are somehow elevated above ordinary people's.
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    Fine. If I can add one further point. Islam does not accept or condone polyandry. Only Polygyny is permissible and as mentioned, with conditions attached.
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    Dear sister we believe that God is very near to people:

    186. And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad [​IMG]) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near . I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright.
    Surat AlBakarah. Quran

    16. And indeed We have created man, and We know what his ownself whispers to him. And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein .

    Surat Qaf. Quran


    But we should remember that God is :

    11. The Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you mates from yourselves, and for the cattle (also) mates. By this means He creates you (in the wombs). There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.

    Surat AlShura

    This (There is nothing like unto Him, ) is very important to cancel any similarity any picture when thinking of our creator , since God is higher greater than we people can imagine. His creation is telling us some about his Glory.

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    Yes I see you do. I just do not see how it works in practice in the same way as YHWH revealed Himself in the Bible.

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