The Syed's

abubaseer

tanzil.info
Staff member
:salam2:

A popular misconception in the subcontinent about "Syeds".

:wasalam:
Giving zakaah to those who are called Syed (Sayyid)
is there any truth about, you can't give money,zakat or anything to
Syed?

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

The idea that there are “sayyids” or “walis” (“saints”) whom Allaah has singled out from among mankind for some favour, or that they have a status which other people do not share, is an idea which is based on the Magian belief that Allaah is “incarnated” in people He chooses from among mankind. The Persians used to believe this of their kings (Chosroes) , and that this spirit moved from one king to another, through his descendents. This Magian (Zoroastrian) idea spread to the Muslims via the Raafidi Shi’ah, whose origins are Magian – so this idea was introduced to the Muslims. This idea says that Allaah selects some of mankind, to the exclusion of others, for this status, which is the status of imaamah and wilaayah. So they believe in this idea with regard to ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and his descendents, and they add other positions to that, such as sayyid and aayah. This idea also spread to some misguided Sufi groups, such as the notion of abdaal and qutb. They said that as this sayyid or wali has this position and status, then they know better what is in our best interests, so we should entrust our affairs to them, because they are better than us, and so they are more entitled to take the zakaah. There can be no doubt that this is obviously a misguided notion.

The truth which Allaah and His Messenger have explained is that the zakaah must be given to those whom Allaah mentioned in His Book, when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“As-Sadaqaat (here it means Zakaah) are only for the Fuqaraa’ and Al‑Masaakeen (the poor) and those employed to collect (the funds); and to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islam); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allaah’s Cause (i.e. for Mujaahideen — those fighting in a holy battle), and for the wayfarer (a traveller who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allaah. And Allaah is All-Knower, All-Wise”[al-Tawbah 9:60]

According to the Hanbali madhhab, it is better for the Muslim to handle the distribution of his zakaah himself, giving it to the poor whom he knows in his own country. If he cannot do that, then he should give it to a righteous and trustworthy man whose religious commitment he trusts, so that he may deliver it to the poor and needy – not as these people do who take it for their own personal use.

By giving zakaah to these so-called sayyids, one is helping them to support their sect. So it is not permissible, according to sharee’ah, to give them zakaah even if they ask for it, because they are following in the footsteps of the Jews and Christians who came before them, of whom Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the way of Allaah (i.e. Allaah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism)…”

[al-Tawbah 9:34]

And Allaah knows best
source www.islam-qa.com
Link-> http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/10527/syed
 

mosabaig

Junior Member
:salam2:

Narrated Abu Huraira : Al-Hasan bin 'Ali took a date from the dates given in charity and put it in his mouth. The Prophet :saw:said, "Expel it from your mouth. Don't you know that we do not eat a thing which is given in charity?"
 

ahmed_indian

to Allah we belong
:wasalam:,

jazaak Allah khairan

i also want to say few words...:)

syeds are desendents of prophet :saw:. so we cant give them zakat.

auliya are friends of Allah. they are His friends only because of piety and nothing else.

so its not like treating them as kings or belieivng in incarnation like hindus and others.
 
:salam2: The Syed in india and pakistan all are not real syeds. Some are converts who adopted this surname. Second you dont have to give charity to syeds or auliyas. You give charity to a poor person who needs it. These auliyas families have made it a way to make money. Like in india they have khaja ghareeb nawaz, saleem chisti.All this is Haram. Second to be a syed you must have shajrah. My family has one which is about 1000 yrs old.
 

Salem9022

Junior Member
:salam2: The Syed in india and pakistan all are not real syeds. Some are converts who adopted this surname. Second you dont have to give charity to syeds or auliyas. You give charity to a poor person who needs it. These auliyas families have made it a way to make money. Like in india they have khaja ghareeb nawaz, saleem chisti.All this is Haram. Second to be a syed you must have shajrah. My family has one which is about 1000 yrs old.

Ahmad_Indian wrote:

"syeds are desendents of prophet . so we cant give them zakat."

There is no such thing called Desendents of the Prophet Muhammad, anyone that calls himself this, is a Liar and you should stay away from such a Person

It is well Known that in Arab Societies like today the Lineage of a Person is Passed down from the Father to the Child. Tribes Are created from the Father not by the Mother. So essence it's Patriartical not Matriartical.

How can Anyone be a Desendent of the Prophet when Prophet Muhammad had no Son who Gave Birth to a Child? The Prophet only had 4 Daughters who lived but his daughters can NOT give his lineage to their childern because only the Male can carry the Lineage to his children. The Prophet had though 2 Sons but those sons Passed away when they were only children.
So conclusion there is no Such thing called a""Decendent" of the Prophet.



Also I agree with BasicofIslam. I'm sure in India as well, but in Pakistan every other Soufi Man calls himself a Sayed. Matter of Fact like 30 Million People in Pakistan out of the 170 Million Population claims to be a "Sayed". I even have cousins in Pakistan who claim to be a Sayed when it's well known that our family came from Maharajas who were Indians in New Dheli thats where we came from. As far as the Soufi Scholars are concerned they would try to extort money from the Poor on the basis that they are "Sayeds" this is wide spread all over Pakistan because thats the easiest way of getting money by dupping people into thinking that you have "holy blood" or something.
 

Salem9022

Junior Member
If that were the case, then daughters would not inherit in Islamic law! Descendant means descending from. It has no other meaning. BTW, the prophet (pbuh) had three sons all died in their infancy.

The lineage of the prophet (pbuh) is very well known and documented. Anybody claiming to have descended from the prophet, his claim can be easily challenged in court if he cannot furnish proof of his lineage.

That said, there is no special status given in Islam for descendants of the prophet. Some of them are good people, others are lousy, just like everybody else.

When did I ever talk about inhertance? I'm talking about Lineage(Blood). Even in Islam Lineage is Passed down from the Father except only in One case which is when the Child is illigitimate only in this case can the child have the mother's Lineage.

The Lineage of the Child can only come from either from the Father or the Mother depending on the culture, and in Arab societies the Fathers Lineage is what is taken into consideration. Meaning the Daughters can not carry over their own Lineage to their children, their childrens lineage will come from their Husbands.
 

abu'muhammad

Junior Member
:salam2:

During childhood In India I heard some saying ‘these are of syed family so respect should be given to them.’ and such like that of own hawaa . they have concept that giving something or helping to one whose surname is syed earns more reward. Muslims have surname saleh, sheikh etc in common so everyone could come with such ideology and people might take them in veneration. when such a belief circulate among masses that only misguides – deviates others in aqeedah, who might not have heard what correct aqeedah is! And Alhamdulillah we are mentioned through Quran and sunnah to whom zakaah be given.

jazakAllahu khayr wa barak Allahu feek for the thread.
 

a_muslimah86

Hubbi Li Rabbi
Staff member
The lineage of the prophet (pbuh) is very well known and documented. Anybody claiming to have descended from the prophet, his claim can be easily challenged in court if he cannot furnish proof of his lineage.

That said, there is no special status given in Islam for descendants of the prophet. Some of them are good people, others are lousy, just like everybody else.

I would like to second your words akhi...because when my grandmother (rahimaha Allah) asked my father to document our lineage...he went to a shaikh knowledgeable in this matter...and that shaikh went to 5 other shaikhs who shared with him the research process...and then over *a year later* when they finished their research and documented it...each one of them *signed* and *stamped* the paper..then they took it to a Shari'a judge..who also *signed it* and *stamped it*..with a note stating that the *nasab* (lineage) they are attesting to is valid before Allah and the people and that they are responsible for any incorrect information within it..

Mind you...aside from *documenting*..in all of Iraq we're known as people carrying lineage of The Prophet (saaws) from Al-Hussain (raa)..and many of us have their lineage practically memorized..but the issue is so *sensitive*..people *still* get their lineage *proved* and *documented* before they can make such a claim or answer in the affirmative to anyone asking about it..because if they are proved incorrect the shame they'll face amongst people will surpass that of judicial measures..

And that brings me to the 2nd point you made...which is the fact no special status is given to descendants of the lineage of Rasulullah (saaws)..and this is a *huge* matter which needs to be kept in mind...because *I* know not everyone who is a descendant of that lineage is a *sayyid* or even a *practicing muslim!*...and without me mentioning this..we should remember that in the same family of Rasulullah (saaws) there were believers *and* non-believers (abu lahab?!..sure we all remember *him!*)..in addition there are people who make that claim..but it is only a *verbal* one sadly...

And let's not forget that even though the lineage of Rasulullah (saaws) is through Fatima (raa)..her husband Ali (raa) is *the cousin* of Rasulullah..so essentially..the lineage being claimed is that of being from *Bani Hashim*..and the *specification* to it is that of it being *from* Rasulullah's daughter (raa)...

:wasalam:




 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
I am not sure why someone would go through the trouble and have pride in being a decendent of Rasool. (peace be upon him) Did not the prophet himself say his father was in hell and so was his uncle? Obviously his bloodline does not afford any favors to the person in question.

A name does not bring honor to a person automatically, a person must work and thrive to bring honor to his name. Nothing is just handed to people in a silver platter in this life and this mentality of a "holy line" is corrupt and dangerous. I met a man who proudly declared he was a Syed and had the paperwork to prove it. However it didn't stop him from leaving his wife and child and covorting with a Shia and committing zina. This man foolishly beleives that his supposed 'bloodline' will have any relevence on judgement day.

And I think some people missed the point of the hadith. Ali (ra) was not poor and therefore did not require zakat. So he was instructed not to take from charity since poor people would be in need of that money/food. If anyone, decended from Rasool or not, is in need of charity then they should get it. Instead we see people trying to create a convoluted rule off this hadith about giving charity to someone because of their bloodline. Pssshhhh...rubbish. I am so glad I am part of Islam that has done away with this illogical thinking not matter how hard some try to cling to it.
 

Searching_soul

Junior Member
:salam2:

Don't you all think that a true descendant of Rasool, would never claim or boast about his lineage. He would hide it infact if he knew of it, so that others would treat him the same way they treat others. So that he gets Reward for it.

There's a hadeeth that speaks of the coming of the promised Mahdi. He will be of the lineage of Fathima (Ra).

The world will not come to pass until a man from among my family, whose name will be my name, rules over the Arabs.
(Tirmidhi Sahih, Vol. 9, P. 74; Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 5, P. 207;
also narrated by Ali b. Abi Talib, Abu Sa'id, Umm Salma, Abu Hurayra)

The promised Mahdi will be among my progeny, among the descendants of Fatima.
(Abu Dawud, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 207; Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519)

He won't boast that he's from the lineage of the prophet or anything like the fake syeds of today do.

The promised Mahdi will be among my family. God will make the provisions for his emergence within a single night.
(Ibn Majah, Sahih, Vol. 2, P. 519)

This hadith means, that ALLAH will prepare him within a single night. Which means, no one will know he's promised mahdi.

No true person would boast about his status. Only ALLAH will elevate his status.

As far as im concerned, all these syeds (WHO CLAIM TO BE SYEDS) are just fake, just like the many gone fake mahdis.

But may ALLAH bless the true household of the prophet wherever they are. Ameen.

But i know many people in south Asia (India, Sri lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh) and Yemen, iraq are pretty naive to believe everything they hear. :(


:wasalam:
 

SUPERHUNTER

New Member
TRUTH ABOUT SYEDS

I am extremely disappointed by people's views and ignorance about family of the Prophet.SalAllahu Alaihiwa Alaihi Wasallam.

The lineage of our Holy Prophet SalAllahu Alaihi waAlaihi Wasallam starts from maternal side and not paternal. It is exclusive for the Prophet SalAllahuAlaihiwaAlaihiWasallam. See the Hadis in Sahih Bukhari And Sahih Muslim before talking without knowledge.

Secondly it is worth priding oneself if somebody belongs to this family as having the blood of the Prophet SalAllahuAlaihiWa Alaihiwasallam is a great asset and mercy from Allah and should be talked about and not hidden. Read Surah Duha last verse.

Thirdly the blood is very important. The blood started from the Holy Prophet SalAllahuAlaihiWA aLAIHI WASALLAM and not in uncle. Have some sense.
 

krackpot

slave warrior caged
:salam2: The Syed in india and pakistan all are not real syeds. Some are converts who adopted this surname. Second you dont have to give charity to syeds or auliyas. You give charity to a poor person who needs it. These auliyas families have made it a way to make money. Like in india they have khaja ghareeb nawaz, saleem chisti.All this is Haram. Second to be a syed you must have shajrah. My family has one which is about 1000 yrs old.


wa alaikum as salaam BASICOFISLAM

what exactly is a SHAJRAH????
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
There is no such thing called Desendents of the Prophet Muhammad, anyone that calls himself this, is a Liar and you should stay away from such a Person

It is well Known that in Arab Societies like today the Lineage of a Person is Passed down from the Father to the Child. Tribes Are created from the Father not by the Mother. So essence it's Patriartical not Matriartical.

How can Anyone be a Desendent of the Prophet when Prophet Muhammad had no Son who Gave Birth to a Child? The Prophet only had 4 Daughters who lived but his daughters can NOT give his lineage to their childern because only the Male can carry the Lineage to his children. The Prophet had though 2 Sons but those sons Passed away when they were only children.
So conclusion there is no Such thing called a""Decendent" of the Prophet.

As-salaamu `alaykum

Please can you clarify what you mean by this? What about the "true" sharifians and sayyids, and I'm not referring to the Indians et al. who adopted the surname for the sake of respect who claim they can sin and are forgiven and who know not even their own great grandfathers names, let alone the lineage back to Faatimah bint Muhammad, sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam.

While there are truthful descendants of `Alee, they are classed to be descendants of the Prophet sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, via has grandsons (the root of the sharifi, sayyid division). Are there not saheeh ahaadeeth about the Mahdi, who the Prophet, sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, described as his descendant, from his family?

“The world will not come to pass until a man from among my family, whose name will be my name, rules over the Arabs.”
[At-Tirmidhee has stated this is reliable]

Abu Sa`eed al-Khudree, may Allaah be pleased with him, said:

“"The Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: 'Al-Mahdi will be of my stock/lineage, and will have a broad forehead, a prominent nose. He will fill the earth with equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years.'”
[Sunan Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Mahdi, 11/375, hadeeth 4265; Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557; he said: this is a saheeh hadeeth according to the conditions of Muslim, although it was not reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. See also Saheeh al-Jaami, 6736]

‘Alee, may Allaah be pleased with him, said:

"The Messenger of Allaah (sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam) said: ‘The Mahdi is one of us, a member of my family. Allaah will guide him in a single night.’" [Musnad Ahmad, 2/58, hadeeth 645, edited by Ahmad al-Shaakir, who said: its isnaad is saheeh; Sunan Ibn Maajah, 2/1367. This hadeeth was also classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’ al-Sagheer, 6735]​

I've never heard anybody reject the existence of the descendants of the Prophet, sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam. When people say descendants, they are not strictly referring to the male lineage, as we know is the case with our Prophet, sall Allaahu `alayhi wasallam.

Allaah knows best.

Was-salaam
 
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