What is happened to us???!!???

[IbnAdam77]

assalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

I am here not to make any divisions, not to make any offense, nor to misguide any brother or sister from truth.

However, I must say this now I guess. I have repeatedly seen on TTI from several brothers and sisters just simply saying that in Hanafi Madhab, feet is not included in Aurah.

This irritates me too much. Allah knows it best.

All the four Imams has said that if any of their views contradicts with Quran and Authentic Sunnah, do not follow them. Imam Shafi'ee said directly as we all know very well.

They all are Mujtahids. They can take meaning from Quran and Sunnah and if they are correct, they get 2 Ajer and if they are wrong, they get 1 Ajer. Because they did their best to take the true meaning from Quran and Sunnah.

In simple things, we claim we follow Madhabs, but in 'Aqeedah, howmany of us are even near to the Pureness in 'Aqeedah they (may Allah have mercy on them) have? Here in Maldives, until a few years back, almost all claimed that they follow Shafi'ee Madhab. Imam Shafi'ee is an Imam who says even cutting one single hair from beard is Haram in Islam. Ever wonder still a very few (comparatively) has even a small beard in here still? Is this how we claim following Madhabs? Shame on us to link our bad acts to those Imams who has spent all their life to help us. La Hawlawala Quwwata Illa Billah.

If Imam Abu Hanifa has said that feet is not Aurah of a Muslimah, why dont we look for proofs he has provided? How strong is that proofs if there is any?

Where is the Ijma' of this Ummah when we talk about these things? Did we look for it?

Also did we even care about the percentage of this claim? We say Imam Abu Hanifa said it, but all the other Imams said it is surely Aurah. And they make a much higher percentage.

So if we follow Imam Abu Hanifa/ Hanafi School (Madhab), we should accept the words said by him right? Did he not say to throw away his words if they contradicts with Quran and Sunnah?

Imam Abu Hanifa (rahimahullah) Said, ( إذا صح الحديث فهو مذهبي ). Means "If Hadith is Authentic, that is my Madhab".
[See: (" ابن عابدين في " الحاشية) , Volume 1, Page 63].

Imam Malik (rahimahullah) said, ( إنما أنا بشر أخطئ وأصيب فانظروا في رأيي فكل ما وافق الكتاب والسنة فخذوه وكل ما لم يوافق الكتاب والسنة فاتركوه ). Meaning is "I am a human being. So in what I say, there can be good and bad. See my Apinion, take what is according to Quran and Sunnah, and leave what contadicts them."
[See: ( ابن عبد البر في الجامع ), Volume 2, Page 32].

Also he (rahimahullah) said, ( ليس أحد بعد النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إلا ويؤخذ من قوله ويترك إلا النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ). Which means, "Except Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam), there will be no one whose some words can be accepted and and some words will not be rejected".
[See: ( ابن عبد البر في الجامع), Volume 2, Page 91].

Imam Shafi'ee (rahimahullah) said, ( أجمع المسلمون على أن من استبان له سنة عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يحل له أن يدعها لقول أحد ). It means, "Muslims got Ijmaa' that if a Hadith of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) is found Authentic, then it is not allowed for any Muslim to leave that Hadith for any one's words".
[See: ( الفلاني ), Page 68].

One of the most famous scholar of Shafi'ee Madhab, Imam Nawawi (rahimahullah) said in his book called al-Majmoo' as follows. ( إذا وجدتم في كتابي خلاف سنة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقولوا بسنة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ودعوا ما قلت ). It means, "If there is anything's Hukum mentioned in my book against the Sunnah of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam), leave my words and take the Sunnah of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam)". ( وفي رواية ( فاتبعوها ولا تلتفتوا إلى قول أحد ). In another Narration: "Look at the Sunnah of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) and do not look at any other person's words."
[See: ( النووي في المجموع) Voulume 1, Page 63].

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (rahimahullah) said, ( من رد حديث رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فهو على شفا هلكة ). "Any one who rejects a Hadith of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) is on the verge of destruction".
[See: ( ابن الجوزي في المناقب) Page 82].

(I can provide more if they are needed inshaAllah).

What we knew from above words are that it is possible for our great scholars also to do a mistake. Also they accept it wholeheartedly. So what is happened to us????

Are we still going to say things like that? Or about Qunoot in Subuh? Or about..........Or about.........????

Truly brothers and sisters. We need to think not twice, but thrice. Let us all try our best to find the truth.

May Allah (subuhaanahu wata'aala) protect us from any divisions or offensives. Ameen.

Anything good in my words are from Allah and anything bad in it, are from my own self. Also please forgive if "some" words I have used in translation is not "most appropriate".

wassalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

 

[dilek]

I totally agree with you in that point ya brother.. We should be careful in our speech and it is better to speak with proofs, not what you memorised before. Also none of the Imam is higher than others, ( Allah evalualte all accroding to Taqwa for sure)...

Imagine all of the Imam are sitting and only one of them isnt exist there, may be he has gone to renew wodou.. and in that moment something happened and our Prophet shared his idea.. What will happen later.. He ll say I didnt hear such a thing from Prophet, and he is right, he didnt hear.

So we should consider about Islam, not about one Imam, other Sheik etc.. Searching for strong, sahih proof is the best way to be sure.

wa alaykum salam

 

[Irshaad.K]

Brother your perception of following the Hanafi Madhab is wrong. It does not mean to follow Imam Abu Hanifa blindly, but rather the hundreds of scholars of the Hanafi madhab who have reviewed and provided proofs for all fiqh matters. Do some research and get the proof for the matter you have stated from the Hanafi Madhab first...

 

[daywalker]

assalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

I am here not to make any divisions, not to make any offense, nor to misguide any brother or sister from truth.

However, I must say this now I guess. I have repeatedly seen on TTI from several brothers and sisters just simply saying that in Hanafi Madhab, feet is not included in Aurah.

:salam2: were you akhi asking for the proof? If yes,

The proof is the Qur'anic verse:

"She should not display her beauty except that which is revealed thereof."

Imam Qurtubi states in his Tafsir:

وذكر آخرَ عن عائشة رضي الله عنها عن النبيّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه قال: " لا يحل لامرأة تؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر إذا عركَت أن تظهر إلا وجهها ويديها إلى هاهنا "

and

يدل على ذلك ما رواه أبو داود عن عائشة رضي الله عنها أن أسماء بنت أبي بكر رضي الله عنهما دخلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وعليها ثياب رِقاق، فأعرض عنها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وقال لها: " «يا أسماء إن المرأة إذا بلغت المِحيض لم يصلح أن يُرَى منها إلا هذا»وأشار إلى وجهه وكفّيه "

And since the face and hands are considered to be part of that which is "revealed thereof" by analogy (qiyas) the feet are also included since [1] The necessity of revealing the feet is even moreso than the face and hands, as it can easily be unconcealed in everyday activity such as walking and [2] If the face is not considered `awra then the feet have a more right not to be considered so due to the fact that the face is considered the primary place of attraction unlike the feet.

Ibn taymiyah(rh) says,
"And similar [is the case with] the foot. It is permissible for her to show it [in salah] according to Abu Hanifah, and [this] is the stronger [position], for `A'ishah considered it of the apparent beauty. . . . . So, this is an evidence that women used to show their feet initially, just as they used to show their faces and hands . . . . for they used not to walk in khuffs or shoes. [Moreover], to cover these in [salah] poses a great hardship, and Umm Salamah said, 'A woman should pray in an ample garment which covers the tops of her feet,' and so when she makes sajdah, the bottoms of her feet may show." [ Hijab al-Mara'ah wa-Libasuha fi al-Salah , pp. 17-18]

one will not be sinful for exposing them, but it would be advisable/preferable as a precautionary measure to cover them.

Wallahu alam

 

[Asja]

Allaicum Saalam Wa raahmatulah Wa baarakatuuhu

Jazzak Allah khair for the thread.

Well,I think brother that you should not open this thread as maybe it will bring more disscussions between brothers and sisters.And Allah knows the best. I do not want to offend you brother,and I aplogise if I did but I think it is maybe not necessery because this has been dissuccessed so many times,and it will bring more and more disscussion and on the end we may not have any resoults.

But I think when you have already decide to open this thread brother,you could also mention sect "Maadkhaliess",as we have been informed that thier teaching is based on rejecting other maadhabs.
I only wanted to conect this InhsAllah with your thread.

And as we can noticed everything what you have said in your thread is been confirmed in some of the replys.

May Allah forgive us and guide us all.

Assalamu Allaicum Wa Raahmatullah Wa Baaraktuuhu

 

[IbnAdam77]

assalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh

Jazakumullahu khairan for the imputs my brothers and sisters.

I really appreciate your inputs especially brother daywalker's.

With mentioning that, I just want to point out that the purpose of making this thread is NOT to make any divisions of offense among us, but to study and discuss our Deen.

I fully respect all the Imams of this Ummah, and all the 'Ulama. Also I fully respect all the viewpoints of 'Ulama. Who am I to reject? What knowledge do I have?

What I only call to ourselves is to stop just mentioning things without proper proof to back what we say. I am not specialising Aurah or Qunoot or Beard or anything here. But I am just talking in General, although which made me to write the above post is Aurah.

Please do not mention new names of deviated sects and please do not put me into them. I accept all the four Madhabs of Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jamaa'ah. Also please do not think I am thinking any brother or sister is following any Imam blindly. Infact, what I said was to act upon the words they (may Allah have mercy on them) said regarding following their opinion. Not to hurt any brother or sister.

Its up to us to study our Deen on a proper way. Inorder to study, we need discussions. But that discussions MUST be within the brotherhood and love between us. Not something which leads to quarreling and fighting.

I truly hope no brother or sister is offended or hurt. Let us all just make a little more effort in learning our Deen.

wassalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh