*whats the Difference between praying on time and praying later?**

[OsMaN_93]

salam..

i wanted to ask:
whats the difference between==> praying on time after ath'an
************************* and praying after 30 mins after athan'
i don't meen praying quda' but like praying 20 mins before the next salah

inshallah u get me clear ..
get me?

is there a difference in ajer/hasanat ...??????


my 2nd question...

in prayer after reading Al-Fati'ha
do we have to read the surah .. in order from the start to end..
eg. reading surat Al-Nnass(last surah in Quraan )

the reading surat Al-Bakara (1st Surah in Quraan)
is that permissable???????????


jazakom Allah

wasalam ..

 

[Libinette]

salam..

i wanted to ask:
whats the difference between==> praying on time after ath'an
************************* and praying after 30 mins after athan'
i don't meen praying quda' but like praying 20 mins before the next salah

inshallah u get me clear ..
get me?

is there a difference in ajer/hasanat ...


my 2nd question...

in prayer after reading Al-Fati'ha
do we have to read the surah .. in order from the start to end..
eg. reading surat Al-Nnass(last surah in Quraan )

the reading surat Al-Bakara (1st Surah in Quraan)
is that permissable???????????


jazakom Allah Jazakallahu Kheiran

wasalam ..

Wa aleikum salaam,

Obviously, there's a difference...
Prayers have to be prayed on time, because otherwise what's the point of having particular timing for each salaat?

There shouldn't be an exuse for brothers anyway, because they should try their best to pray with the jama'a in the masjiid ..therefore you pray on time

As for the second question, recitinf Al Fatiha for every salaat, at the beginning of every ru'ku is Fardh..obligatory, it is one of the pillars of salaat..

After that, you do not have to recite the Qur'an in any order, you can read whichever one you want..

But I guess, it is better if i find dalils, ahadiths dealing with your questions inshallah

Bear with me..

Ma'salaam

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

As-salaamu `alaykum.

There is a hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim which starts that whoever doesn't recite Soorah Al-Faatihah in his Salaah, then it is invalid. The Hanafees say that when you pray behind an Imaam you don't need to recite the Faatihah. However, The ahaadeeth (all of them from what I know) are weak, very, not enough to be used as proofs. At least this is what I know about the matter. And yes, it is one of the pillars of the prayer, hence its ommision results in an invalid prayer, just as the ommision of any pillar results in an invalid prayer that needs to be repeated.

Sister Libinette, it is obligatory to recite it in every rak`ah not ruk`u, if think you accidently mixed the 2 up. There is differing on this matter however. Some scholars say that it being recited once in prayer is sufficient. But due to the caution of Salaah being invalid and the weakness of the Hanafee opinion, it is better you recite in every rak`ah.

 

[Libinette]

Correct, i got a little mixed up, indeed you must read it in every RAK'AAT

Barakallahu Feek

 

[OsMaN_93]

but that isnt what im asking ??
pleese read my question carefully

 

[Libinette]

..well what are you asking then?
I believe the brother and I answered your question..

MAybe you could re-phrase it?
Pardon me

 

[OsMaN_93]

..well what are you asking then?
I believe the brother and I answered your question..

MAybe you could re-phrase it?
Pardon me

after reading fatehaa' ..wee r supposed to read a surah .. yh?
that surah dos it have to be in order from the start to the end or it doesnt matter..
example:in first rakaa' u read surah"Al-Nass"
and in second rakaa' u read surah "Al-Bakara"
is it permissible to read the quraan in the 2 rakaat randomly.. or has to be in order from the start to the end ...
inshallah its cleer now lowl

 

[Libinette]

Wa aleikum salaam,

Obviously, there's a difference...
Prayers have to be prayed on time, because otherwise what's the point of having particular timing for each salaat?

There shouldn't be an exuse for brothers anyway, because they should try their best to pray with the jama'a in the masjiid ..therefore you pray on time

As for the second question, recitinf Al Fatiha for every salaat, at the beginning of every rak'aat is Fardh..obligatory, it is one of the pillars of salaat..

After that, you do not have to recite the Qur'an in any order, you can read whichever surah you want..But I guess, it is better if i find dalils, ahadiths dealing with your questions inshallah

Bear with me..

Ma'salaam

There's the answer..it was in my first reply

 

[OsMaN_93]

jazakom Allah

 

[q8penpals]

Salam

Ok, I didn't understand the majority of this thread because of the language, but my question is, in short, if a person does accidentally or inadvertently misses a prayer, what should they do? (And I don't need you all to post all the verses, sunnah, hadiths, fatwas, about why NOT to miss prayers - of course I know a person should try everything in their power NOT to miss prayers, I just want to know what should a person do if they DO miss a prayer).

Lana

 

[OsMaN_93]

sis .. answer to the above

you should pray "qada" wich is the term for mising a slah and praying laterz.. you will get less hasanat tho. but you should pray them all and neva miss any
exanple of quda.. many people after reverting pray all the slahs they missed from the age of 7 :S not sure what age
lol thats it ..

 

[q8penpals]

Salam

So, for example, if I leave work intending to pray maghrib at home, but get stuck in traffic (with no traffic, I live 15 minutes from work, but there have been days when it has taken me nearly two hours in traffic if their is a car accident or something special with the Amir) until after isha, do I make the intention to "make up" my maghrib and then pray it before praying isha? Or do I pray Isha since it is isha time, and then make intention to "make up" my missed maghrib?

Lana

 

[OsMaN_93]

well i dunno bwt that .. but to my info . it dosnt matter .. wether u pray isha or meghreb first
:S

 

[Mrmuslim]

salaam alikom

After that, you do not have to recite the Qur'an in any order, you can read whichever surah you want

I asked the shiekh here in the mosque and he said it need to be in order
like you read Surrah Bakkarah, then Surrah Al Asr.

inshaAllah I will try to write more later once I ask the shiekh more,

Wa salaam alikom

 

[tombstone]

From my Mufti/Imam

Assalamu alaikum..

Here are the answers which i know from my Imam who is a mufti
Following the order of the surahs as in the quran in ur salah is sunnah and its permissible and its no sin if u dont follow the order. Following it gets you more reward obviously.

This one is from another imam who is not a mufti but i also read on an islamic website.
Suppose If u miss your maghrib and its time for isha then which do u pray first?
u pray the isha first and then the maghrib unless u never had a single qadah/qazah (missed praying on time) in ur life. Generally, since almost all of us have had a qada salah in our lives we are supposed to pray isha since its isha time and then follow it up with the missed maghrib.
I dont know how much sense my answer makes. Let me know if u need any clarifications.

For sister q8penpals, here is one suggestion, u can pull aside and pray ur salah in ur car( if u r stuck somewhere in traffic) and then as u reach home u redo it again.
does it sound right??

 

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

:salam2: Brothers and Sisters,

The order of soorahs is not tawqeefi (i.e., based on revelation [and is not open to ijtihaad]); it is the result of ijtihaad on the part of some of the Sahaabah.

There was no ijmaa’ (consensus) among the Sahaabah on the order of soorahs; the order in the Mus-haf of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood – for example – is different from that in the Mushafs of others.

In the Sunnah there is evidence that supports the view that it is permissible:

(A) Hudhayfah said: I prayed with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) one night, and he started to recite al-Baqarah. I thought, he will do rukoo’ when he reaches one hundred aayaat, but he kept going. I thought, he will complete it in one rak’ah, but he kept going. I thought, he will do rukoo’ now, but he started to recite al-Nisaa’, and he recited all of it, then he started to recite Aal ‘Imraan and recited all of it… (Narrated by Muslim, 772).

The evidence in this hadeeth is that he recited al-Nisaa’ then Aal ‘Imraan.

Al-Nawawi said:

Al-Qaadi ‘Ayyaad said: this contains evidence for those who say that the order of soorahs is the result of ijtihaad on the part of the Muslims when they wrote down the Mus-haf. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not dictate the order of soorahs; he entrusted this task to his ummah after his death. This is the view of Maalik and the majority of the scholars, and was the view favoured by al-Qaadi Abu Bakr al-Baaqillaani. Ibn al-Baaqillaani said: it is the more correct of the two views, although both are possible.

He said: what we say is that the order of soorahs is not binding when writing, praying, studying, teaching or learning. There is no report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) concerning that which would make it forbidden to differ from it. Hence the order of soorahs in the various Mus-hafs differed, before the Mus-haf of ‘Uthmaan.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the ummah after him in all ages regarded it as permissible to differ from the order of soorahs in prayer, and when studying and teaching.

He said: with regard to the view of those scholars who say that (the order of soorahs) was set by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and that he put them in the same order as appears in the Mus-haf of ‘Uthmaan – and that the different orders came about before they heard of his ruling and his final review of the Qur’aan with Jibreel – they interpret the fact that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited al-Nisaa’ first and then Aal ‘Imraan as meaning that this happened before the final ruling was dictated, and these two soorahs appear in this order in the Mus-haf of Ubayy.

He said: there is no dispute concerning the fact that a person who is praying may recite in the second rak’ah a soorah which comes before the soorah which he recited in the first rak’ah; but it is makrooh to do this in one rak’ah, or when reciting Qur’aan outside of salaah.

He said: but some of them permitted this.

The prohibition of the Salaf against reading the Qur’aan backwards is interpreted as referring to those who read from the end of a soorah to the beginning.

He said: there is no dispute concerning the fact that the order of aayaat in each soorah is based on revelation from Allaah and is as it now appears in the Mus-haf and as it was transmitted by the ummah from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

(End of the comments of al-Qaadi ‘Ayyaad). And Allaah knows best.

(Sharh Muslim, 6/61, 62).

Al-Sindi said:

The phrase [in the hadeeth of Hudhayfah] “then he started to recite Aal ‘Imraan” means that it is not obligatory to follow the order of soorahs when reciting.

(Sharh al-Nisaa’i, 3/226).

(B) It was reported from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that a man from among the Ansaar used to lead them in prayer in the mosque of Qubaa’. Every time he led them in prayer, he would start his recitation with “Qul huwa Allaahu ahad”, then when he finished it, he would recite another soorah. He did that in every rak’ah. His companions spoke with him and said, “You always start with this soorah, then you do not think it is enough and you recite another. Either you should recite this soorah alone, or you should leave it and recite another.” He said, “I am not going to stop reciting it. If you like, I will lead you in prayer as I have been doing, and if you do not like it, I will leave you.” They felt that he was one of the best of them, and they did not want anyone else to lead them in prayer. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to them, they told him about this. He said, “O So and so, what is stopping you from doing what your companions tell you? What makes you keep on reciting this soorah in every rak’ah?” He said, “I love it.” He said, “Your love for it will grant you admittance to Paradise.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari mu’allaqan, and by al-Tirmidhi with an isnaad similar to that of al-Bukhaari, 2901).

The evidence in this report is the fact that the man recited Soorat al-Ikhlaas in his prayer before any other soorah that comes before it (in the Mus-haf), and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) approved of that.

(C) This is the action of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

Al-Imaam al-Bukhaari said:

Al-Ahnaf recited al-Kahf in the first rak’ah and Yoosuf or Yoonus in the second, and he said that he had prayed Fajr with ‘Umar and he had done the same.

(Baab al-Jam’ bayna Sooratayn fi’l-Rak’ah, in Kitaab al-Adhaan).

You can read more here:

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:salam2:

 

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

Salam

..............................but my question is, in short, if a person does accidentally or inadvertently misses a prayer, what should they do? (.... I just want to know what should a person do if they DO miss a prayer).

Lana

Sister Lana,

With regard to the one who delays a prayer until its time is over because of a (legitimate) excuse, such as sleeping or forgetting, he has to perform the prayer as soon as that excuse is no longer in effect, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“Whoever forgets a prayer let him offer it as soon as he remembers it , and there is no other expiation but that.”

Narrated by Muslim.

He should pray the number of rak’ahs he would have prayed if he had offered it on time, no more and no less, and without changing the way it is done.

In the hadeeth of Abu Qataadah in Saheeh Muslim (681) there is the story of how the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions slept and missed Fajr prayer when on a journey, and (they did not wake up) until the sun had risen. Abu Qataadah said: “Then Bilaal gave the call to prayer, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) prayed two rak’ahs, then he prayed Fajr, and he did the same as he did every day.”

Al-Nawawi said: “The same as he used to do every day” indicates that the way in which missed prayers are to be made up is the same way as they would normally be done.

The basic principle according to the scholars is that making up is identical to the original action.

And Allaah knows best.

:salam2:

 

[OsMaN_93]

jazak Allah bro thats the answer i wanted .. you got me ? lol
evry 1 thot im asking bwt fatiha lol
jazaak Allah