Who Are The shia? Part 2

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    Similarity Between Christian Religion and Shi3a Religion In "Miracles" And Idols
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    Goat of Ali - According to Shi3a Religion

    They are making this Poor Boy seek Blessing from this Goat which they call Goat of Ali since they believe it will heal the Boy.
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    salam aleikum
    LOL I'll try to fix it inshaAllah .
    I think its just confusing with another word :D just need to spell it different

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    SALEM IS THERE ANY SIMILAR WEBSITE ABOUT CHRISTIANS AS WELL. I'VE SEEN THE SHIAS BUT I WANT TO SEE ABOUT CHRISTIANS TOO.

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    theres a special section called Muslim-Christian Dialouge
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    Please watch this video, very easy to know why shi'ahs aren't muslims at all, they are munafiqeen, kuffar.

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    :angryred:!!How the hell can you call anyone who claims to be a Muslim a kaffir or a munafiq??? :angryred:This thread made me so angry- you have no right whatsoever to call someone a kuffar. OK, I'm a sunni and I strongly disagree with Shia beliefs but how can you just call a group of people 'kuffar'?? Don't you think that their faith and how good a muslim they are is between them and Allah (SWT)?? We have no right to call anyone a disbeliver and even worse, a hyposcrite. I have read several other posts and threads on this forum which say hateful things like that about Shia's and I read the thread by the Shia revert and I sympathise with her. If you're arguing and discussing, obviously you're allowed to express your opinion surely people shouldn't be allowed to write stuff like that? Right, Mods?? There are all sorts of Muslims on this forum including Shias who would find this sort of statement extremely offensive and I just think that before anyone points fingers at others calling them kuffar, they should take a look at themselves and try to make themself a better Muslim.

    I've finished my rant and rave now. The post just made my blood boil :angryred:...and yes, my grammar is awful in that post :angryblue:

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    Assalamu alaykum,

    First of all, I ask that you do not be angry and be careful with what you write.

    As for the Shi'ah, perhaps you are unaware of their major core beliefs? when someone worships other than Allaah, and rejects the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad :saw: they are not Muslim. Just because they claim to believe in Allaah and the Prophet Muhammad :saw: does not mean they are right.

    The Shia, do not have same beliefs as us. First of all, they reject most of the Companions of the Prophet :saw: and make lies about them. Even, they say many bad things about one of the greatest Muslim women of Islam, A'isha, Umm al mu'mineen, the mothers of the believers. They accuse her of very bad things.

    They pray to other than Allaah, they supplicate to their dead Imams, they reject the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad :saw:. They believe in Temporary marriage, where according to them a woman can be married for just a few minutes or an hour or whatever the man wants... This is all forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad :saw:

    why does this not anger you?

    Many people claim to be Muslims, for example the Ahmadiyyah, Ismailiyyah, and so forth. THey are not considered even "Sects" of Islam. Because, they are outside of Islam.

    The Major scholars of Islam, from Imam Abu Hanifa, to Ibn Taymiyyah, to the ulema' of today have said that the Raafidah (the Shia), are not Muslim. Even the Imams of Makkah and Madinah believe this. So, obviously, we do not call the Shi'aa disbelievers and wrong for no reason.

    We should not care if those who are enemies to Islaam find it offensive. Because, we take pride and value our Deen, our beautiful and perfect Islaam. We defend it from all those who are against the true teachings.

    We can not say that an individual person, is a disbeliever, unless of course, we are completely sure they believe in all the beliefs that are taught by the shia.

    I know that, we would love everyone to work together and to obey the Qur'aan and Hadith, but you have people, who because of their beliefs are enemies of Islam.
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    salaam

    yes i agree nobody has the right to call people Kafir - we all disagree iwth the shia here but no calling Kaffir.
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    Of course it does but what angers me even more is when people start calling a sect 'kaffir'; and Shia's do form a sect in Islam just as Sunnis are a sect. I just think that if we start calling one group Kaffir, it won't just stop there, we will carry on calling others so, whose beliefs differ from that of Sunnis. This only divides Muslims and will do no good.


    "As to those who reject Faith, It is the same to them Whether thou warn them Or do not warn them; They will not believe." The Holy Quran, 02:06 Al Baqarah

    "Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary: Kufr, Kafara, Kafir, and derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of Allah or faith, which is not consistent with an ernest desire to see the truth. Where there is sch desire, the Grace and Mercy of Allah gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejection is that spiritual faculties become dead or impervious to better influence."

    Surely on the basis of this verse and Yusuf Ali's commentary, we shouldn't simply call someone a Kuffar if they say that they believe in Allah. We don't know what is in their hearts and maybe Allah (SWT) will guide them. I know that there are many groups who once claimed to be Muslims but they were rejected by the Muslim scholars, who declared them to be kaffir - for example the qadyanis, who openly defied part of the Shahada, but Shia Muslims believe in Allah and the last messenger and regardless of their ther beliefs, we have no right whatsoever to call them kafir.

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    Assalamu Alaicum

    Well brother Salem I would say this is the "Part 10" becouse only Allah knows how many times you have posted the same videos and statements against Shia Muslims.

    I do not know how many times do I need to repeat myselfe and to say that it is wrong to generalise things and to say "All Shia are not Muslims" when this the same refers on Sunni Muslim becouse "Not all Sunni are Muslims" Allhamdullilah.

    Only ignorants will belive in everything what is represented in medias and even in the books. Muslims will always Allhamdullilah seek knowledge and proves by themselves and Allhamdullilah all Muslim know that Muslim is the one who obeys to Allah orders and Sunnah of our beloved Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.s.

    Only Allah is The Greatest Judge and only He knows who are His honest servantes Allhamdullilah.

    It is very wrong to generalise things and acuse someone that he is not Muslim and not think what Allah thinks about that and not to be afraid when day of Judgment comes what we will say than.

    Where Allah sais in Holy Quran that Shia are not Muslims, Astagfirulah??? Can you bring us a verse??? Offcouse you can not.

    And where Allah in Holy Quran sais that we should call ourselves Sunni or Shia Muslims??? Can you briong us a verse??? Offcouse not.

    The truth said Almighty Allah.

    Reasonable people will insted of watching these horible videos make dua that Allah Inshallah unite all Muslims but real Sunni and Shia Muslims.

    Islam is only ONE and there is only ONE Ummah Allhamdullilah, the ONE Allah low and the ONE Sunnah of Prohet Mohammed s.a.w.s. And followers of this what is mentioned are Muslims Allhamdullilah.

    And none of us will enter in Jannah or hell fire if we love more Hazert Ali or Hazret Abu Bakr( may peace and Allahs blessing be upon them), but becouse of our good or bad deads Allhamdullilah. And Allhamdullilah that we love all Prophet companions the same.

    And if you alow me brother Salem to give you one honest advice. Instead of posting some insecure videos like these and simular, why do not you choose option on the site"Search forums" and find threads of real unbelivers that are insolting Holy book Quran and our beloved Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.s. and why do not you post them videos and tell them what means to be Muslim and who are Muslims. And what means UNITED UMMAH, Inshallah. And why do not you defend from them your own religion Islam???

    Thank you

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    Of course not??
    Are you sure? Allah and our Nabi SAW have already told us how we are muslims and how we will apostacize! The shi'ahs have apostacized, how can u say only 5 companions are muslims and the rest are kuffar? Thats kufr so thats why they are not muslims, Just read Quran and Ahaadith and then read from the scholars u will see many evidences they will put!

    Shi'ahs call sunnis kuffar so of course if they make such a strong takfeer then they are kuffar themselves, and also they may say sunnis are muslims but then they will practice taqiyyah(lying to hide the truth)
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    Assalamu Allaicomu brother.

    I am sorry brother but you did not brought verse from Holy Quran where Allah Almighty sais that we should call our selves Sunni or Shia Muslims,neither you bring the verse from Holy Quran where Allah Almighty sais that Shia Muslims are not Muslims!!!!

    Brother we should not generalise things,because Inshallah Allah will reword or punish everyone by his own deeds Alhamdulillah(praise to be Allah),and we should not generalise things and say that all Shia Muslims are not Mulsims or to say say that all Sunni are Muslims,when it is NOT truth Alhadmulillah.Allah knows who are his honest servents Alhadmulillah.
    And we should not generalise things with saying that all Shia are claiming that Sunni are on wrong way Astagfirullah when this is also NOT truth Alhadmulillah.

    May Allah subhan we tela guide us all.:tti_sister:

    :wasalam:
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    what shia do is all kuffar.they commit shirk,abuse sahaba, create termoil and unrest wherever they are,they always abuse and curse.they are misleaded by their so called " roohullah khumaini" and he was imported from france.
    really u ppl must reconsider what u r doing.(an honest suggestion)
    there is not a verse about shias but Quran tells about manafiqeen.
    well,sister can u tell me about mutta?
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