No, the quran tells you to follow the orders of messenger very explicitly several times. And I've presented you verses that show these orders and judgements he was conveying were from the quran. I believe you've understood this point clearly.
What the quran is forbidding you from doing is going outside of the quran for authoritative divine guidance. This is absolutely explicit.
The verses say obey Allah AND obey his messenger. To say obeying the messenger is not applicable is saying the Qur'aan is outdated. The messenger regarding teaching the religion is infallible, and he is to be obeyed and referred to in disputes, as verses make clear. But when I refer to him, you refuse. It is impossible for the same messenger was chosen to convey the Qur'an, to teach false things about religion and God. Its absoloutly impossible.
Quran also says : "And We have also sent down unto you Al Dhikr that
you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought. "
4:80 "He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah"
Qur'aan also says ""But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith until they make
you ( Prophet Muhammad, not Qur'aan ) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against
your decisions (it doesnt say Allahs decisions), and accept them with full submission."
24:54 "If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way"
It didnt say his duty was to dryly transmit a text for each individual to interpret the way he wishes.
See these verses? I can twist them in probably 10 different ways giving 10 different madeup interpretations. How do I know whats right? By knowing the context, when, how and why the verses came down and how they were understood by those who understood the Qur'aan the best, the prophet peace be upon him and his companions.
This is a very important point, that I know will be dodged too if I dont repetedly focus on mentioning it. One cant strip verses out of their context and intended meanings just to makeup new beliefs, as if they understood the Qur'aan better than the prophet and his companions.
This point is simply dismissed by saying "oh the prophet didnt have the authority". Really? The messenger who the Qur'aan was revealed to, and who was sent to teach people their religion, didnt have the authority to teach Quran and religion? Im sorry but really, how is that not absurd?
What I find amusing, is how Quranees use twisted interpretations that are clearly %100 against the way the prophet himself and his companions understood Islam, yet have no problem in accepting "Rashad Khalifa" as their prophet!
I believe the whole purpose of the newly innovated twisted interpretations that are against the teachings of the prophet himself, and the consensus of Muslim scholars throughout history, was only to redefine Islam and makeup a new religion; which they did with their so-called prophet in Arizona. Afterall it must be easier than starting from scratch, right?. Whats ironic too is how he comes up with the number 19 theory in the Qur'aan, but to make it work, this Arizona "prophet" throws verses out.
Its all about convenience I believe. Rejecting Sunnah is exactly what needs to be done, to introduce new beliefs and new prophets.
I addressed point B clearly. Please specify where you think my response was insufficient.
I saw no reason to address point A because you begun with an unfounded premise, which is that I have to acknowledge something classed as mutawatir by the ulama attributed to the messenger. I have to do no such thing as long as you have failed to prove the authority of any text besides the quran.
If I am to accept the above mentioned ahadith as inspired revelation, you must present a reconciliation with:
45:6 These (are) āyāt of Allah. We recite them upon you with truth. Then in what ḥadīth after Allah and His āyāt will they believe?
How is one to believe in the ahadith of Jesus' return in light of the above?
No, my friend, you didnt address point B clearly. You dodged the question with very general answers to very specific questions. The reason you dodge is to avoid getting into authenticity. You stated before that its something you want to avoid discussing.
The hadeeths on Jesus' return is mutawatir and authentic, thats a scientific historical fact.
45:6 These (are) āyāt of Allah. We recite them upon you with truth. Then in what ḥadīth after Allah and His āyāt will they believe?
How is one to believe in the ahadith of Jesus' return in light of the above?
Really? Maybe the same way scholars throughout history did? Since this verse is clearly directed to polytheists and disbelievers? You find this problamatic, and twist it to make it sound like it applies to the words of the messenger chosen to convery the Quran and teach it, but claiming prophethood after prophet Muhammad isnt is just fine? (assuming you are from most rejectors of Sunnah, who believe in the prophethood Rashad Khalifa of Arizona). He also, after rejecting Sunnah, actually said that his name and the name of his father are mentioned in the Qur'aan, by twisting verses in an absurd manner as well.
He also said that angel Gabriel made a mistake once when delivering him a messege, and admitted to having recieved the land of his "mosque" and the building itself, from a non Muslim Jewish organization (maybe the Mosaad? God knows). He says his miracles are greater than those of all prophets! Much of this is in an interview of his with Al Basheer magazine.
It is him who said "Im a millionaire, but millions dont mean anything to me"
I mean really, whats next, interpreting "He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah" that the messenger is God?
To show how he is mentally and emotionally unstable, although the imposter being an Egyptian Arab, he said in the interview that he wouldnt allow any Arab, "with full Arab blood", to his mosque. When the interview replied (in a challenging manner) by saying asking if its because they understand the language of Quran and Sunnah so they are harder to decieve, he simply replied "All of them will be in hell along with you".
Amazing prophet hehe... and this is the person behind the vast majority of Sunnah denier propaganda today. By consensus of Muslim scholars (who actually had a formal meeting and issued this ruling), they are disbelievers, and not Muslim.