Why Muslim women don't drive cars in SA??

[nomuslimhere]

yeah you really treat them likes queens, that is why they have been and still remain repressed!!!

 

[dunno]

yeah my mother and sisters are really repressed when are you going to come on your shiny horse and rescue them?just like Bush did in iraq? cause prolly women in your country (whatever western or eastern country) are very respected and they are treated perfectly

 

[revert2007]

How could you response?

1-First of all, it's a fatwa and not a rule in Islam, what does it mean??
Women in SA don't drive a car according to their customs and their society, but in Egypt, Syria, and others, they let the Women to drive cars legally.

2-Another response, As the Queen of England don't drive a car, We (Muslims) consider woman to be Queen, we are happy to be a driver for her as well as to be bodyguard.

ok brothers and sisters sorry to interupt but i just dont see where this topic is leading?a woman driving car or not should be and issue?
why that a woman go to work is not an issue?
why that a woman wear pants is not an issue?
why that a woman doesnt wear hijab is not an issue?
why that a woman become prostitue is not an issue?
why that a woman disobey Allah and her husband is not an issue?
why that a woman disrespect and ungrateful to her parents is not an issue?
i can just go on typing many things that we actually failed to address

everything we do in life is purely our own responsibility.if SA doesnt allow a woman to drive so what?what is the issue here?

ARE WE DEBATING ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHT OR MUSLIM WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DRIVE?

IT DEPENDS ON SITUATION AND THE INDIVIDUAL HERSELF.WE CAN'T MAKE ONE CONCLUSION FOR EVERYONE.THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE ANSWER OR JUDGEMENT.

 

[ahmed_indian]

ok brothers and sisters sorry to interupt but i just dont see where this topic is leading?a woman driving car or not should be and issue?
why that a woman go to work is not an issue?
why that a woman wear pants is not an issue?
why that a woman doesnt wear hijab is not an issue?
why that a woman become prostitue is not an issue?
why that a woman disobey Allah and her husband is not an issue?
why that a woman disrespect and ungrateful to her parents is not an issue?
i can just go on typing many things that we actually failed to address

everything we do in life is purely our own responsibility.if SA doesnt allow a woman to drive so what?what is the issue here?

ARE WE DEBATING ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHT OR MUSLIM WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DRIVE?

IT DEPENDS ON SITUATION AND THE INDIVIDUAL HERSELF.WE CAN'T MAKE ONE CONCLUSION FOR EVERYONE.THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE ANSWER OR JUDGEMENT.

mashallah well said. i agree with u. like someone said here before that there are many issues bigger than this one.

first we should make efforts to make our iman strong, so that there will be no need to put restrictions on driving as almost nobody will misuse this freedom inshallah.

 

[revert2007]

mashallah well said. i agree with u. like someone said here before that there are many issues bigger than this one.

first we should make efforts to make our iman strong, so that there will be no need to put restrictions on driving as almost nobody will misuse this freedom inshallah.

THANK YOU BROTHER.it is just sad to see that these days there are many irrelevant Threads on TTI.WHY?such as people are debating about Michael Jackson's death,women being banned from driving in SA and other stuffs.do we need to know all these?WE ARE NOT EVEN SURE WHETHER WE WILL DIE AS A MUSLIM OR NO WHY WOULD WE BOTHER ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE?we are suppose to see ourselves and judge ourselves.ONLY ALLAH JUDGE US BUT WE DON;T JUDGE OTHERS.we are here just to share our knowledge,our experience which can be a guidance and example to others and learn.MODERATOR PLZZZZZZZZZZ IF U THINK THE THREAD IS IRRELEVANT PLZ JUST DELETE IT.WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WASTE HERE.some of us have very limited time to check the post and some irrelevant post makes us delay or unable to view the important post.

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

MODERATOR PLZZZZZZZZZZ IF U THINK THE THREAD IS IRRELEVANT PLZ JUST DELETE IT.WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WASTE HERE.some of us have very limited time to check the post and some irrelevant post makes us delay or unable to view the important post.

This.
Well said.

 

[safiya58]

:salam2:

I´m sorry but I don´t agree with my brothers and sisters in that point. yes it is pitifull when less serious posts have so much attention whereas really serious posts not... my threads also don´t belong to the "very popular" ones but still the brothers and sisters here on tti have the right to post what moves them and what they want to post... and if we don´t agree with that we don´t have to participate in it... I think it would be disrespectfull towards our brothers and sisters to close threads bec they are "irrelevant"... when we are a family, and that is what we are cuz we are all from the ummah of Muhammed (saw) , alhamdulilah, we should respect eachother... with closing a thread just like that it would mean that the oppinion of our brother/sister is not taken seriously...! may the thread itself is not important but every single brother/sister here is important. I love you all for the sake of Allah

 

[revert2007]

:salam2:

I´m sorry but I don´t agree with my brothers and sisters in that point. yes it is pitifull when less serious posts have so much attention whereas really serious posts not... my threads also don´t belong to the "very popular" ones but still the brothers and sisters here on tti have the right to post what moves them and what they want to post... and if we don´t agree with that we don´t have to participate in it... I think it would be disrespectfull towards our brothers and sisters to close threads bec they are "irrelevant"... when we are a family, and that is what we are cuz we are all from the ummah of Muhammed (saw) , alhamdulilah, we should respect eachother... with closing a thread just like that it would mean that the oppinion of our brother/sister is not taken seriously...! may the thread itself is not important but every single brother/sister here is important. I love you all for the sake of Allah

well the moderators already hv special section for everything such as games,kitchen and so on.but we dont want irrelevant thing to be posted in islam lounge or islamic discussion or anything to do with increasing iman.having poems is good if it is really related to islam and inspire us more.did i leave out anything else?there is also people asking us to share our dreams or jin stories.is this islamic?just because he got famous in some other forum for the jin topic it doesnt meant the tti members are ignorance and wanna talk about jin.yes jin exist but it is not easy for jin to enter our environment.if someone claim they saw jin it is a pure imagination.human if he wsants to contact with jin especially kafir jin he needs to break many barriers such as stepping on quran and such thing.i hope this thing is not in our society.i will opena new thread just to discuss about this jin,black magic and "ghost thing".thats all for now

 

[safiya58]

:salam2:

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

Honestly sister, I thought it was an important point to be discussed,therefore i opened such this discussion.
I really found a nice subtle messages here, but to my mind, i hope my thread to be deleted to just focus on important issues.
Anyway, it's my humble opinion, and i really respect all brothers and sisters.
Jazakom Allah kheryn.

 

[safiya58]

Honestly sister, I thought it was an important point to be discussed,therefore i opened such this discussion.
I really found a nice subtle messages here, but to my mind, i hope my thread to be deleted to just focus on important issues.
Anyway, it's my humble opinion, and i really respect all brothers and sisters.
Jazakom Allah kheryn.

:salam2:

noooooooooo brother where I said that your topic is not important...? I was talking in generall.... I didn´t give my oppinion to this thread bec I agree with some others... wallahi nothing wrong in your thread... I should be more clear plz forgive me

 

[revert2007]

yeah you really treat them likes queens, that is why they have been and still remain repressed!!!

is someone being sarcastic here?well let me tell u something A TRUE SOLEHAH RELIGIOUS WOMAN WHO IS AFRAID OF ALLAH AND OBEY HER HUSBAND IS A QUEEN IN DUNYA(WORLD) AND IN HEARAFTER.if a muslim woman claim that she is being repressed than she doesnt deserve to represent us(muslim women).

lets compare muslim women in saudi arabia and british women

SA woman doesnt need to work to support the family but British woman have to go to work and be insulted just for the sake of earning more money for the family

SA woman doesnt need to drive their kids to school or to market or pour oil in the gas station oR DO anything tedious but BRitish woman she has to do all these tedious job

SA woman doesnt need to clean their house coz they have many servants to clean for them but BRITISH woman simply can't even afford to buy a new cloths for herself ,do u think she can hire a maid?

SA woman is really being treated like QUEEN AND WHO NOW IS BEING REPRESSED?SA MUSLIM WOMEN OR BRITISH WOMEN?

when every single muslim man afraid of Allah and obeys Allah,he will never ever treat his wife bad.but does any of British man or non muslim man afraid of anything when he treats his wife bad??????????WHAT POWER IS STOPPING THE NON MUSLIM MAN FROM BAING BAD?

NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

AT LEAST MUSLIM WOMEN DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING BURNED IN HELL FIRE......BUT EVERY NON MUSLIM WOMEN DO NOT SLEEP WELL AND AFRAID OF DEATH JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE FAITH.

WHEN A MUSLIM WOMAN WITH MODEST CLOTHS AND HALF NUDE BRITISH WOMAN WALK ON THE STREET ANY MAN LET IT BE MUSLIM OR NON MUSLIM WILL SAY......I WISH MY WIFE IS LIKE THE MUSLIM WOMAN NOT LIKE THE BRITISH WOMAN.

NO MAN IN THIS WORLD PREFER HIS WIFE TO BE SEEN AS HOW HE SEES HIS WIFE BETWEEN 4 WALLS.IF SHE IS ACT SO THAN SHE IS SIMPLY DOESNT HAVE SELF RESPECT.

WHEN U HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLAR,DO U SHOW IT TO EVERYONE ON THE STREET?NO.U KEEP IN IN THE BANK OR SOMEWHERE SAFE.

WE MUSLIM WOMEN ARE THE TREASURE OF EVERY MUSLIM MAN(WHO ARE MAHRAM)WE WONT EXPOSE OURSELVES TO THE STREET PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE TO ADMIRE OUR BEAUTY.

 

[SWORD OF SUNNA]

Yeah Non-real muslimah is respected.
Have you ever heard that a Queen or a princess get raped??
I don't think so, well read these statistics.

! Every 21 hours on each college campus in the U.S. there is a rape. (Campus Outreach Services)
more..

U.S. STATISTICS

Fact #1: 17.6 % of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. Of these, 21.6% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 32.4% were between the ages of 12 and 17. (Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

Fact #2: 64% of women who reported being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked since age 18 were victimized by a current or former husband, cohabiting partner, boyfriend, or date. (Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

Fact #3: Only about half of domestic violence incidents are reported to police. African-American women are more likely than others to report their victimization to police Lawrence A. Greenfeld et al. (1998). (Violence by Intimates: Analysis of Data on Crimes by Current or Former Spouses, Boyfriends, and Girlfriends. Bureau of Justice Statistics Factbook. Washington DC: U.S. Department of Justice. NCJ #167237. Available from National Criminal Justice Reference Service.)

Fact #4: The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.

Fact #5: In the National Violence Against Women Survey, approximately 25% of women and 8% of men said they were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date in their lifetimes. The survey estimates that more than 300,000 intimate partner rapes occur each year against women 18 and older. (Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

Fact #6: The National College Women Sexual Victimization Study estimated that between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5 college women experience completed or attempted rape during their college years (Fisher 2000).

Fact #7: Men perpetrate the majority of violent acts against women (DeLahunta 1997).

Fact #8: Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted. (Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) calculation based on 2000 National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice)

Fact #9: One out of every six American women have been the victims of an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime. (Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women Survey, National Institute of Justice and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1998)

Fact #10: Factoring in unreported rapes, about 5% - one out of twenty - of rapists will ever spend a day in jail. 19 out of 20 will walk free. (Probability statistics based on US Department of Justice Statistics)

Fact #11: Fewer than half (48%) of all rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (DOJ 2001).

Fact #12: Sexual violence is associated with a host of short- and long-term problems, including physical injury and illness, psychological symptoms, economic costs, and death (National Research Council 1996).

Fact #13: Rape victims often experience anxiety, guilt, nervousness, phobias, substance abuse, sleep disturbances, depression, alienation, sexual dysfunction, and aggression. They often distrust others and replay the assault in their minds, and they are at increased risk of future victimization (DeLahunta 1997).

Fact #14: According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, more than 260,000 rapes or sexual assaults occurred in 2000; 246,180 of them occurred among females and 14,770, among males (Department of Justice 2001).

Fact #15: Sexual violence victims exhibit a variety of psychological symptoms that are similar to those of victims of other types of trauma, such as war and natural disaster (National Research Council 1996). A number of long-lasting symptoms and illnesses have been associated with sexual victimization including chronic pelvic pain; premenstrual syndrome; gastrointestinal disorders; and a variety of chronic pain disorders, including headache, back pain, and facial pain (Koss 1992).Between 4% and 30% of rape victims contract sexually transmitted diseases as a result of the victimization (Resnick 1997).

Fact #16: More than half of all rapes of women occur before age 18; 22% occur before age 12. (Full Report of the Prevalance, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

Fact #17: In 2000, nearly 88,000 children in the United States experienced sexual abuse (ACF 2002).

Fact #18: About 81% of rape victims are white; 18% are black; 1% are of other races. (Violence Against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)

Fact #19: About half of all rape victims are in the lowest third of income distribution; half are in the upper two-thirds. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)

Fact #20: According to the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance Survey (YRBSS), a national survey of high school students, 7.7% of students had been forced to have sexual intercourse when they did not want to. Female students (10%) were significantly more likely than male students (5%) to have been forced to have sexual intercourse. Overall, black students (10%) were significantly more likely than white students (7%) to have been forced to have sexual intercourse (CDC 2002).

Fact #21: Females ages 12 to 24 are at the greatest risk for experiencing a rape or sexual assault (DOJ 2001).

Fact #22: Almost two-thirds of all rapes are committed by someone who is known to the victim. 73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger (— 38% of perpetrators were a friend or acquaintance of the victim, 28% were an intimate and 7% were another relative.) (National Crime Victimization Survey, 2005)

Fact #23: The costs of intimate partner violence against women exceed an estimated $5.8 billion. These costs include nearly $4.1 billion in the direct costs of medical care and mental health care and nearly $1.8 billion in the indirect costs of lost productivity and present value of lifetime earnings. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States, Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Atlanta, Georgia, March 2003).

Fact #24: Domestic violence occurs in approximately 25-33% of same-sex relationships. (NYC Gay and Lesbian Anti-Violence Project, October 1996.)

Fact #25: Boys who witness their fathers' violence are 10 times more likely to engage in spouse abuse in later adulthood than boys from non-violent homes. (Family Violence Interventions for the Justice System, 1993)

Fact #26: An estimated 50,000 women and children are trafficked into the United States annually for sexual exploitation or forced labor. (U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, 2000)

Fact #27: Somewhere in America a woman is battered, usually by her intimate partner, every 15 seconds. (UN Study On The Status of Women, Year 2000)

Fact #28: A University of Pennsylvania research study found that domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to low-income, inner-city Philadelphia women between the ages of 15 to 44 - more common than automobile accidents, mugging and rapes combined. In this study domestic violence included injuries caused by street crime.

Fact #29: Following the Supreme Court's decision in 2000 to strike down the civil-rights provision of the Federal Violence Against Women Act (ruling that only states could enact such legislation), only two states in the country (Illinois and California) have defined gender-based violence, such as rape and domestic violence, as sex discrimination, and created specific laws that survivors can use to sue their perpetrators in civil court. (Kaethe Morris Hoffer, 2004).

Fact #30: A study reported in the New York Times suggests that one in five adolescent girls become the victims of physical or sexual violence, or both, in a dating relationship. (New York Times, 8/01/01)

Taken from here.

http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html

 

[miq1]

Praise be to Allah (The Glorified and Exalted).

Firstly, in response to another poster. Women are not permitted to travel with non-mahram men, therefore, women that travel with non-mahram drivers are committing sin.

Now in response to the author of this thread. The prohibition of women driving was created by Shaykh Ibn Baz (a famous Saudi cleric) (may Allah have mercy on him). This ban was made for the following general reason:

The mixing of men and women in public leads to the degradation of the moral fabric of society. It is clear from the example of nations that have allowed the mixing of the two genders, that the end result is a promiscuous society in which obedience to Allah (The Exalted) is not to be found. The hearts of the people are instead filled with infatuation for the opposite gender.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “The woman is ‘awrah [that which should be concealed], and when she goes out, the Shaytaan’s hopes are raised.” [Narrated by Tirmidhi]

It is also the case that the inability of the women to drive will keep them preoccupied in the more traditional household roles, such as staying with the children and taking care of them (the most important role for women by far, which may be discussed in another thread), and in general "keeping the home." This type of traditional role for women is most conducive to shaping a religious society. History has shown, that societies with women in this role, tend to be very religious and conservative. In contrast, within societies in which women travel freely, most of them choose to work and ignore household preoccupations. This has led to an eventual destruction of religiosity in those nations. The best example is the United States. Before World War II (WWII), the American culture was similar to an Islamic one. Women covered completely, even revealing their ankles in public was considered an immoral gesture. During WWII, the men went to war, so the women were told to come and work in the factories, in order to replace the men. When the war ended, the men came back, but the women refused to go back home, feeling a "sense female liberation and advancement." Therefore, in American society, men and women became publicly mixed. Eventually, promiscuous magazines came about, more loosing of conservative morals and a deterioration of religious values. Long story short, 1 and 4 teenage girls has an STD (sexually transmitted disease) according to the CDC (Center for Disease) in the United States, the majority of the poverty stricken poor in the U.S. are single mothers, most women have work at home (running around to fulfill household duties) and a job outside the home, therefore, they don't possess much of a "life." It is also the case that women have lost their dignity and sense of honor, they dress provocatively and chase after every man trying to please them, in the hope that some man will eventually "approve" of them. Contrast this modern situation to the previous conservative approach in American and Islamic tradition, in which the man must seek acceptance from the woman and her parents. [In Islam, the woman’s honor is placed in her own hand. This is in direct contrast to other deviant systems, which have taken the honor of women and dispensed it to strangers who may play about with her in any manner they please.] Many teenage girls in the U.S. also desire chastity, but are forced to engage in fornication by the their "boyfriends" because they believe they will lose him if they refuse. What do you think happens after they engage in fornication? The "boyfriend" leaves and finds another girl to pollute with his "sweet talk." The reality is that the woman's mind operates differently from that of a man. The majority of girls and women are especially susceptible to comments whether positive or negative and their behavior is highly influenced by the males of their family (whether that is their father, brother, husband, etc) and by society at large.

The scholar that prohibited women from driving, was a man gifted with a great deal of wisdom and insight, may Allah have mercy on him.

And Allah (The Glorified and Exalted) Knows Best.