we alejkum esselaam
ughti aminaa jazak Allahu hajr za tvoj nasihat ali inshaAllah ako hocemo da pricamo u tome bilo bi bolje na neki nov thread. sad za sada jedino sto mogu da ti kazem je da ja ne kazem da sam SELEF ima rezlike izmedju SELEF i SELEFI ... ja pratim put selefa inshaAllah i zato kazem da sam selefi. nije nesto samo u vezi ime dok ne pratim taj put kako treba i dok ne razumes islam kako su oni razumeli... ako znas istoriju prve grupe sto su radili novatorije u islam kao sto su khawaridji i kaderi razumeces neke stvari. to sto ja hocu da kazem je ovi imena nisu od mene ni od shejh albani nego ovi imena su od vreme Muhammeda aleji selatu we selaam. samo da ti dam neke primere :ehli sunne we djema'a nemaju samo ovo ime, oni se nazivaju i firkatu nadji'a, ehlil hadith, selefi i tako dajle i za to ima dosta argumenata al posto moj bosanski nije dobar i ne znam kako da nadjem prevod na bosanski ja cu inshaAllah da postim na engleski.
Imaam al-Asbahaanee (d.535H) - rahimahullaah - said: "The sign of Ahlus-Sunnah is that they follow the Salafus-Saalih and abandon all that is innovated and newly introduced into the Deen." [Al-Hujjah fee Bayaanil Mahajjah 1/364]
Abu Haneefah (d. 150H) (rahimahullaah) said: "Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for all of it is innovation" [Reported by As-Suyootee in Sawn al Mantaq wal-Kalaam p.32]
lbn Taymiyyah (d.728H) - rahimahullaah - said: "There is no criticism for the one who proclaims the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf, who attaches himself to it and refers to it. Rather, it is obligatory to accept that from him by unanimous agreement (Ittifaaq) because the way (madhdhab) of the Salaf is nothing but the Truth (Haqq)." [Majmoo al-Fataawaa 4:149]
Imaam adh-Dhahabee (d.748H) - rahimahullaah - said: "It is authentically related from ad-Daaraqutnee that he said: There is nothing more despised by me than 'ilmul-kalaam (innovated speech and rhetorics). I say: He never entered into 'ilmul-kalaam, nor argumentation. Rather, was a Salafee (a follower of the Salaf)."[Siyar 16/457]
As-Sam'aanee (d.562H) said in al-lnsaab (3/273): "As-Salafi: this is an ascription to the Salaf and following their ways, in that which is related from them." lbn al-Atheer (d.630H) said in al-Lubaab fee Tahdheebul-lnsaab (2/162), commenting upon the previous saying of as-Sam'aanee: "And a group were known by this ascription." So the meaning is: that the term Salafi, and its ascription to them, was a matter known in the time of Imaam as-Sam'aanee, or before him.
The Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said, "There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest and upon the truth not being harmed by those who forsake them neither by those who oppose them" and he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said, "And this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of them in the Hellfire but one". They said, which one is this O Messenger of Allaah? He replied, "They are those who are upon what I and my companions are upon today".
Ako bi te ja pitao ko od ovija grupe ce u dzennet dal bi ti rekla muslimani? kad znamo da ima mnoge grupe kao sto su sufi, eshari, mu'tezili i tkd tkd, oni jesu muslimani al kakvi muslimani? nije samo se nazivati musliman treba i razumeti ISLAM kako je nasa prva i najbojla generacija ( SELEF ) razumeli.
Hence Salafiyyah is a group of people (i.e. the Salafis) upon the madhhab of the Salaf, upon what the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) and his companions were upon and it is not a hizb from amongst the contemporary groups present today
And "the Salafis" (Salafiyyoon) is the plural of "Salafi", which is an ascription to the Salaf, and its meaning has already preceded. And they are the ones who traverse upon the minhaaj of the Salaf, from amongst the followers of the Book and the Sunnah, those who call to them both, and to acting upon them, as a result of which they are from Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah."
Stated ‘Abdul-Azeez bin Abdur-Rahmaan Aal as-Sa’ood, "Indeed I am Salafi, my aqidah is Salafiyyah, by whose requirements I traverse upon the Book and the Sunnah". (Stated during the pilgrimage of 1965, ‘Al-Mushaf was-Sayf’ p.135).
Abu Haneefah (d. 150H) (rahimahullaah) said: "Adhere to the athar (narration) and the tareeqah (way) of the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) and beware of newly invented matters for all of it is innovation." (Reported by As-Suyootee in Sawn al Mantaq wal-Kalaam p.32)
In addition to that, the word "Salaf" was used by the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) himself. He said to Faatimah, "How excellent a Salaf I am for you." (Muslim, no. 2450).
Imaam Muslim brings in his Muqaddimah to his Saheeh (p.16) the saying of Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak – which he would say in front of all the people, "Abandon the hadeeths of Amr bin Thaabit, for he used to abuse the Salaf".
Setro selfijjah je ISLAM i ISLAM je selefijjah. ove reci nisu od mene nego od ove rjeci sto si vec procitala ako razumes engleski.
Stated al-Haafidh ibn Hajr about Abu Amr ibn as-Saalah, " He was extremely strong and given to devotion, Salafi in the generality ( of his afairs) ... (Siyar 23/142) "
Stated as-Suyooti about ibn as-Saalah, " He was Salafi, abstemius and was of sound creed",,, (Tabaaqat al-Hufadh p.500).
Sestro ako si ikad cuo za ovija ulema onda ces razumeti neke stvari. Mi ne sledimo nikoga na slep nacin.
Ove su samo malo malo rjeci sto se tice ove teme,,, ako citas knjige od poztani nasi ulema sto so umrli davno rahimehullahu te'ala alejhi razumeces mnoge stvari. Na kraj samo da kazem raslog zasto sam ja postirao vise od ulema sto su davno ziveli,,, razlog je da dam argumenata da ovo nije neka novatorija sto je sad pocela kako neki ljudi kaze nego ovo je od ISLAMA, i treba razumeti islam kako je SELEF razumeo ako mi tvrdimo da pratimo njih.
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Tvoj nasihat je welcome, al ipak ja ti dam nasihat da uzmes argumenata od kurana i sunneta kako je nasa najbojla generacija razumela a ne nesto sto covjek misli da je hak, jer mi nemamo znanje da dajemo koment ajeta i haditha jer verovatno cemo pogresiti. Mi jesmo muslimani al i treba znati kakvi muslimani,,, muslimani sto uzimaju vjeru kako mi hocemo? ili muslimani sto uzimamo vjeru kako su sahabi razumeli,,, nema razumenje islama kako treba dok se mi ne vratimo i ne citamo kako su sahaba tabi'ini i tabitabi'ini razumeli i znaj da source za sve ovo sto ti ja kazem su ULEMA, a ne ljudi sto su tek poceli da studiraju islam. Ima vise da se prica o vezi toga al znam da sam izasao iz teme jer tema je "ODAKLE SE TRENUTNO JAVLJATE? "
Esselaamu alejkum we rahmetullaahi we berekaatuh!