Separation of women
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TheAuthenticBase
Assalaamu 'alaykum!
there r millions of proofs.
one of the proofs used is the hadeeth where the prophet (saw) ordered that children should be separated in their beds when they reach 7 years of age....
no a woman cannot drive in a car with boys of 15
Tabassum07
Smile for Allah
:salam2:
But if one of the boys is her mahram, and she is observing proper hijab, it should be fine?
TheAuthenticBase
Assalaamu 'alaykum!
Yes, but I'm assuming the questioner is asking regarding non-mahrams...
But as for the legitimacy of women driving cars, then thats another question...
yet in saudi arbia women are not allowed to drive,,,but can be driven by non mahram drivers!!!!
TheAuthenticBase
Assalaamu 'alaykum!
Politics...
Don't confuse the two...
hayat84
I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
I express my personal opinion.by the way I'm a very loyal woman,I have the total trust of my husband,I find nothing bad to drive in a car with a child of 15 or more years old.there are some cousins of my husband who are younger than me.we are like brothers and sisters.I saw them grow up and if they need me to bring them to a place,well I find no guilt.I know that it's better not to stay alne with a non-mahram man,but,it's stupid to drive a car with a second intention!with the people of my husband's family I have a good relaction.on the other hand I never talk/walk with an unknown man,except if it's my husband's trusted friend.one day I needed some vegetables,my husband was in Italy and my brother in law was at my mother's in law house.my husband told to his friend to bring me what I needed.there is nothing wrong,by myself,if the wife is a trustful person.but don't you think that my opinion is valid or right.I'm aware of my actions and Allah well knows my intentions.so don't give bad judice to me,please:shymuslima1:
I express my personal opinion.by the way I'm a very loyal woman,I have the total trust of my husband,I find nothing bad to drive in a car with a child of 15 or more years old.there are some cousins of my husband who are younger than me.we are like brothers and sisters.I saw them grow up and if they need me to bring them to a place,well I find no guilt.I know that it's better not to stay alne with a non-mahram man,but,it's stupid to drive a car with a second intention!with the people of my husband's family I have a good relaction.on the other hand I never talk/walk with an unknown man,except if it's my husband's trusted friend.one day I needed some vegetables,my husband was in Italy and my brother in law was at my mother's in law house.my husband told to his friend to bring me what I needed.there is nothing wrong,by myself,if the wife is a trustful person.but don't you think that my opinion is valid or right.I'm aware of my actions and Allah well knows my intentions.so don't give bad judice to me,please:shymuslima1:
sachin4islam
Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum:
Islam is Deen of Allah (SWT) and it is not driven by personal opinions but by established Divine legislation.
Regards.
hayat84
I'm not what you believe
sorry brother,but am I not born with free will?I said that I'm aware of what I do,my opinion,as you underlined,is a drop into the ocean.there are many people who say what's good,but they don't do it.every mind has its thoughts.We have to obey to the Divine Order,but we also should think and act with wisdom and freedom.my opinon is not an universal rule to follow.it's just the expression of sincerity of my intentions when I do this and that.I have the driving license.is there on tti a woman who doesn't drive a car to go to work or to bring her children to school?or maybe I'm the only one who said what thought?are maybe men better than women?why are many laws made from men and women are denied to do what they can do?I want to make you understand that it would be good to live using a "middle way":not to be too much or not to less.It never happened that I drove the car with somebody else(and it maybe never will happen),but my words wanted to mean that in each thing Shaytan is hidden:it's us who must avoid to fall into his trap.excuse me if I insist,maybe I can't see what you see.so please teach me ho to be better.
Precious Star
Junior Member
Sister Hayat84:
We do have to use our intelligence and discretion for much of our decisions in life. The reason being that not every little thing we do is addressed by the Quran. There were no cars during the time of the Holy Prophet. Women were openly attacked during that time.
I applaud your reasoning. You seem like an intelligent, thoughtful muslim girl.
And btw, being in a car does not mean you are "alone" with a non-mahram. You are in public, in full scrutiny of other drivers and pedestrians. Is it better if you take the bus, which could be loaded with non-mahrams? Walk long distances in public?
Allah SWT has blessed us with common sense. Let's use it.
We do have to use our intelligence and discretion for much of our decisions in life. The reason being that not every little thing we do is addressed by the Quran. There were no cars during the time of the Holy Prophet. Women were openly attacked during that time.
I applaud your reasoning. You seem like an intelligent, thoughtful muslim girl.
And btw, being in a car does not mean you are "alone" with a non-mahram. You are in public, in full scrutiny of other drivers and pedestrians. Is it better if you take the bus, which could be loaded with non-mahrams? Walk long distances in public?
Allah SWT has blessed us with common sense. Let's use it.
TheAuthenticBase
Assalaamu 'alaykum!
sachin4islam
Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum: Sis Hayat.
Please do not take my words otherwise.
Free will is that you exercised when you embraced Islam. You chose Divine way of life. When you became a Muslimah you completely submitted yourself to Allah (SWT). This is an end to free will whosoever pious you think and act. Now you have to abide by Divine code of conduct ( Shariyah).
No doubt your intentions are pure when you drive with male members of your family other than your husband. But when there are discrete instructions (Shariyah) against travelling with Non-Mehram,you will have to abide by the established rulings. This is submission to Allah (SWT). You will have to crush your freedom. Allah knows what is best for us.
I respect your piousness. Masha-Allah. Your words reflect them. But Siratal-Mustaqim is a straight way and any collateral way has to be denied.
There is an old lady in my city whom I am familiar with. She desires to go for Hajj. But she is alone (divorced) and aged. I wanted to accompany her during Hajj,if Allah (SWT) blessed her for it. She is older than my Mum. One may think it should not be objectionable if I accompany her during Hajj. But in fact Shariyah doesn't permit me to travel with her. I have to follow the ruling. I can't search for loopholes and twists to find a way to accompany her for Hajj.
There is no moderate Islam. Islam is way of Muhammad (SAW) and we are bound to adhere to His (SAW) way but with pleasure for we know it the straight path to paradise.
May Allah (SWT) bless your sincerity and piousness.
Regards.
Please do not take my words otherwise.
Free will is that you exercised when you embraced Islam. You chose Divine way of life. When you became a Muslimah you completely submitted yourself to Allah (SWT). This is an end to free will whosoever pious you think and act. Now you have to abide by Divine code of conduct ( Shariyah).
No doubt your intentions are pure when you drive with male members of your family other than your husband. But when there are discrete instructions (Shariyah) against travelling with Non-Mehram,you will have to abide by the established rulings. This is submission to Allah (SWT). You will have to crush your freedom. Allah knows what is best for us.
I respect your piousness. Masha-Allah. Your words reflect them. But Siratal-Mustaqim is a straight way and any collateral way has to be denied.
There is an old lady in my city whom I am familiar with. She desires to go for Hajj. But she is alone (divorced) and aged. I wanted to accompany her during Hajj,if Allah (SWT) blessed her for it. She is older than my Mum. One may think it should not be objectionable if I accompany her during Hajj. But in fact Shariyah doesn't permit me to travel with her. I have to follow the ruling. I can't search for loopholes and twists to find a way to accompany her for Hajj.
There is no moderate Islam. Islam is way of Muhammad (SAW) and we are bound to adhere to His (SAW) way but with pleasure for we know it the straight path to paradise.
May Allah (SWT) bless your sincerity and piousness.
Regards.
sachin4islam
Junior Member
Assalamu Alaikum: Sis Hayat.
I will just add a bit more: We are expected to drink water in sitting posture only as it is the way of Muhammad (SAW) and His (SAW) way is nothing but Divine instruction. Even if drink water while standing there is nothing we loose but pleasure of Allah (SWT).
Regards.
I will just add a bit more: We are expected to drink water in sitting posture only as it is the way of Muhammad (SAW) and His (SAW) way is nothing but Divine instruction. Even if drink water while standing there is nothing we loose but pleasure of Allah (SWT).
Regards.
Precious Star
Junior Member
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...o-10-lashes-for-driving-a-car/article2181670/
Now tell me something: where in Islam is it justified to "lash" a woman for driving? Islam does not condone violence at all; even husbands are only permitted to tap their wives if their wives disobey them. So Saudi Arabia all of a sudden has the right to order lashings against a woman who drives?
is this what the practice of Islam has become?
Now tell me something: where in Islam is it justified to "lash" a woman for driving? Islam does not condone violence at all; even husbands are only permitted to tap their wives if their wives disobey them. So Saudi Arabia all of a sudden has the right to order lashings against a woman who drives?
is this what the practice of Islam has become?
alf2
Islam is a way of life
:salam2:
He asked for proofs, why is no one posting Hadiths and Qur'an citations?
Also, why would some woman be driving around with a random 15 year old? Unless he is related to her in SOME way, thats just creepy.
ALSO, if women are allowed or not allowed to drive is not the subject. Let's try to stay on topic guys!
Usually when people explore the "the grass is greener on the other side" aspect of people they feel a slight attraction to without even knowing them - it ends in utter misery.
He asked for proofs, why is no one posting Hadiths and Qur'an citations?
Also, why would some woman be driving around with a random 15 year old? Unless he is related to her in SOME way, thats just creepy.
ALSO, if women are allowed or not allowed to drive is not the subject. Let's try to stay on topic guys!
Usually when people explore the "the grass is greener on the other side" aspect of people they feel a slight attraction to without even knowing them - it ends in utter misery.
Asja
Pearl of Islaam
Assalmau allaicum wa raahmatulahi wa barakatuhu dear sister
Here is detailed explination why it is fobidden in our Deen Islam free mixing between man and woman.
It is very long but please try to read everything for better understanding, Inshallah.:tti_sister:
May Allah bless you
Shaykh Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Aal-Al Sheikh [1311-1389 H (1893-1969 AD)], the former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, said:
Introduction:
Free mixing between men and women can be of three types:
Mixing of women with men who are their Mahram (husband and men whom she may never marry, e.g. father, brother, son etc). There is no doubt that this is permissible in Islam.
Mixing of women with non-Mahram men for evil and depraved purposes. There is no doubt that this type is not allowed (haram) in Islam.
Mixing of women with non-Mahram men in educational institutes, shops, offices, hospitals, get-togethers, parties etc. At first a questioner (asking fatwa) really might think that this does not lead to one gender tempting the other. To expose the reality of this type, we will reply (to the questioner) both briefly and in detail.
Brief Reply:
The brief answer is that Allah made men to have a natural inclination towards women and gave them power over the females. He made women to be naturally inclined towards men though He made them weak and soft in nature. Hence, when free mixing occurs between women and (non-Mahram) men, its effects result in bad intentions, since the human self is inclined towards evil and (carnal) desires make a person blind and dumb, while Satan commands people to do indecent and evil things.
Detailed Reply:
The detailed answer is that Islamic Law (Shari’ah) is based on objectives and the means to achieve them. The means for an objective have the same rulings as the objective itself. Women are the object of desire for men, and Islam blocks the doors leading to members of one sex becoming attached to the members of the opposite gender. The evidence from the Qur’an and Sunnah that we will now mention for you will show this clearly.
a) Proofs from the Qur’an:
There are six proofs for this from the Qur’an:
Allah says, “
And she, in whose house he was, sought to seduce him (to do an evil act), she closed the doors and said: “Come on, O you.” He said: “I seek refuge in Allah (or Allah forbid)! Truly, he (your husband) is my master! He made my stay agreeable! (So I will never betray him). Verily, the Zalimoon (wrong and evil-doers) will never be successful.” ” (Surah Yusuf 12:23)
It is a proof (for saying that the third type of free mixing is prohibited) because when there was free-mixing between the wife of the Egyptian minister and Prophet Yusuf (peace be upon him), she displayed what was hidden (her love for him) and asked him to have illicit sexual relations with her. However, Allah had Mercy on Yusuf and saved him from her (advances), as He said,
“So his Lord answered his invocation and turned away from him their plot. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.” (Surah Yusuf 12:34).
Similarly, if free-mixing occurs between men and women, members of both genders pick for themselves the one they please from members of the opposite gender and use all means to get that person.
Allah commanded men and women to lower their gaze. He said,
“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)…”
(Surah Al-Noor 24:30-31). This verse is a proof for what we say since Allah ordered believing men and women to lower their gazes, and His ordering something means it is obligatory. Then Allah tells us that it is purer and that only an accidental (unintentional) glance will be forgiven. ‘Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
“O ‘Ali, do not follow a glance with another, for you will be forgiven for the first, but not for the second.”
(Reported by Al-Hakim in Al-Mustadrak (2/212 and 3/133), Ahmed (5/351,353 and 357), al-Tirmithi and others. Al-Hakim said it is authentic according to standard of Muslim, and Al-Dhahabi agreed with him in Talkhis). There are many hadiths with the same meaning. Allah did not order people to lower their gaze except for the fact that looking at objects that are forbidden to see is counted as adultery (zina). Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said,
“The adultery of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the adultery of the tongue is the talk,… and the inner self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny it.”
[Sahih Al-Bukhari (no. 6612), Muslim (no. 2657), Ahmed (2/276)]. Gazing at forbidden things is adultery since it is enjoying the sight of charms of a woman, results in these images becoming etched in the heart of the person and he tries to commit actual adultery with her. If Islam forbids gazing at her due the resultant evil, then the same evil results from free mixing. Hence, free mixing too is forbidden, since it is the means to the same evil consequences as the forbidden gaze.
The evidences that we mentioned earlier that it is not permissible to gaze at women means that it is obligatory upon a woman to cover her entire body, since exposing it or part of it results in (forbidden) glances towards it, which in turn leads the heart to become attached to her and then utilizing the means to obtain her (for illicit relations). This is also the case with free mixing.
“And let them (Muslim women) not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment.” (Surah Al-Noor 24:31).
Even though the act of stamping feet itself is permissible, still Since Allah forbade women from stamping their feet so that it does not become a reason for men to hear the sound of anklets worn by women. This would arouse men’s desire for women, and the same evil consequences result from free mixing.
Allah says,
“Allah knows the fraud of the eyes, and all that the breasts conceal.” (Surah Ghafir 40:19).
Ibn ‘Abbas and others said,
“It is (about) a man who visits the house of a family, which includes a beautiful woman too who passes by him. When the members of the family are not watching him, he looks at her, but when they are alert, he lowers his gaze from her. When they are not watching, he gazes at her and when they are observing him, he lowers his gaze. Allah knows that in his heart he wishes to see her naked and if he could, he would commit adultery with her.” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir).
If Allah described the eye which steals a glance towards what is not permissible for it to look as ‘fraud’, then how about free mixing?
Allah ordered women to stay in their homes. He said,
“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance.” (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:33).
Allah commanded the wives of the Prophet (peace be upon him), who were the most pure and chaste women, to stay in their homes. This commandment is addressed to Muslim women in general too, since it is a well established principle of Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) that directed speech is general in scope, except if there is an evidence proving that it is specific to whom it is addressed. However, there is no evidence to make it specific (the Prophet’s wives) in this case. Hence, if women are commanded to remain at home except in case of a necessity that required them to go out, then how can free mixing between them and men of the kind mentioned earlier be permissible? Moreover, in our times women have become too headstrong, have left modest all-covering garments and expose themselves wantonly to the extent of nudity in front of un-related (non-Mahram) men. Husbands and other guardians of women have little control over women whose well-being they are entrusted with.
b) Proofs from the Sunnah
As for the evidence from the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) words and actions, we will mention just ten:
Imam Ahmed narrated It was narrated that Umm Humayd the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa’idi came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said,
“O Messenger of Allah, I like to pray with you.” He said, “I know that you like to pray with me, but your prayer in your room is better for you than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better for you than your praying in your house, and your prayer in your house is better for you than your prayer in the mosque of your people, and your prayer in the mosque of your people is better for you than your prayer in my mosque.” So she issued orders that a prayer-place be prepared for her in the furthest and darkest part of her house, and she used to pray there until she met Allah (i.e., died).”
[Narrated by Ahmad(6/371), Ibn Khuzaymah in his Saheeh (no. 1689)and others]. Ibn Mas’ood (may Allah be pleased with him) said,
“The woman’s prayer (salah) most beloved to Allah is the one she offers in the darkest part of her home”
[Narrated by Ibn Khuzaymah (no. 1691, 1692) and Al-Tabarani in Al-Mu’jam (2/35)]. There are many other narrations to this effect that it is better for a woman to pray at home than the mosque. Hence, because Islam advises women to pray at home and that it is better than even praying in the Prophet’s Mosque behind the Prophet (peace be upon him) himself, it free mixing should be forbidden with even more reason!
Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
“The best rows for men are the first rows, and the worst ones the last ones, and the best rows for women are the last ones and the worst ones for them are the first ones.”
[Sahih Muslim (no. 440), Abu Dawud (no. 678), Al-Tirmithi (no. 224). Al-Tirmithi declared it authentic]. Hence, the Prophet (peace be upon him) told the women that if they came to the mosque, they should firstly remain separate from the worshiping men. Then he described their foremost rows to be worst and the last rows as the better ones. This was only to keep the women praying behind away from mingling with, seeing and having their hearts attached to the men in front of them on hearing voices or watching movements of the men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) described the last rows of men as the worst if there were women in the mosque. The reason behind this is that men in the last rows missed being near the Imam (prayer leader) and instead found positions near the women who are a cause of distraction and may even spoil the prayers by making these men lose concentration and sincerity in worship. Hence, if the Prophet (peace be upon him) expected this to happen in a place of worship, then how about free mixing? Free mixing in which men and women are much closer!
Zainab, the wife of ‘Abdullah, reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said to us:
“When any one of you comes to the mosque, she should not apply perfume.”
[narrated by Muslim (no. 443), Ahmed (6/363)]. The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said
“Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from visiting the mosques of Allah, but they may go out (to the mosque) having no perfumed themselves.”
Here is detailed explination why it is fobidden in our Deen Islam free mixing between man and woman.
It is very long but please try to read everything for better understanding, Inshallah.:tti_sister:
May Allah bless you
Shaykh Muhammad Bin Ibrahim Aal-Al Sheikh [1311-1389 H (1893-1969 AD)], the former Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, said:
Introduction:
Free mixing between men and women can be of three types:
Mixing of women with men who are their Mahram (husband and men whom she may never marry, e.g. father, brother, son etc). There is no doubt that this is permissible in Islam.
Mixing of women with non-Mahram men for evil and depraved purposes. There is no doubt that this type is not allowed (haram) in Islam.
Mixing of women with non-Mahram men in educational institutes, shops, offices, hospitals, get-togethers, parties etc. At first a questioner (asking fatwa) really might think that this does not lead to one gender tempting the other. To expose the reality of this type, we will reply (to the questioner) both briefly and in detail.
Brief Reply:
The brief answer is that Allah made men to have a natural inclination towards women and gave them power over the females. He made women to be naturally inclined towards men though He made them weak and soft in nature. Hence, when free mixing occurs between women and (non-Mahram) men, its effects result in bad intentions, since the human self is inclined towards evil and (carnal) desires make a person blind and dumb, while Satan commands people to do indecent and evil things.
Detailed Reply:
The detailed answer is that Islamic Law (Shari’ah) is based on objectives and the means to achieve them. The means for an objective have the same rulings as the objective itself. Women are the object of desire for men, and Islam blocks the doors leading to members of one sex becoming attached to the members of the opposite gender. The evidence from the Qur’an and Sunnah that we will now mention for you will show this clearly.
a) Proofs from the Qur’an:
There are six proofs for this from the Qur’an:
Allah says, “
And she, in whose house he was, sought to seduce him (to do an evil act), she closed the doors and said: “Come on, O you.” He said: “I seek refuge in Allah (or Allah forbid)! Truly, he (your husband) is my master! He made my stay agreeable! (So I will never betray him). Verily, the Zalimoon (wrong and evil-doers) will never be successful.” ” (Surah Yusuf 12:23)
It is a proof (for saying that the third type of free mixing is prohibited) because when there was free-mixing between the wife of the Egyptian minister and Prophet Yusuf (peace be upon him), she displayed what was hidden (her love for him) and asked him to have illicit sexual relations with her. However, Allah had Mercy on Yusuf and saved him from her (advances), as He said,
“So his Lord answered his invocation and turned away from him their plot. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.” (Surah Yusuf 12:34).
Similarly, if free-mixing occurs between men and women, members of both genders pick for themselves the one they please from members of the opposite gender and use all means to get that person.
Allah commanded men and women to lower their gaze. He said,
“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things)…”
(Surah Al-Noor 24:30-31). This verse is a proof for what we say since Allah ordered believing men and women to lower their gazes, and His ordering something means it is obligatory. Then Allah tells us that it is purer and that only an accidental (unintentional) glance will be forgiven. ‘Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah be pleased with him narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
“O ‘Ali, do not follow a glance with another, for you will be forgiven for the first, but not for the second.”
(Reported by Al-Hakim in Al-Mustadrak (2/212 and 3/133), Ahmed (5/351,353 and 357), al-Tirmithi and others. Al-Hakim said it is authentic according to standard of Muslim, and Al-Dhahabi agreed with him in Talkhis). There are many hadiths with the same meaning. Allah did not order people to lower their gaze except for the fact that looking at objects that are forbidden to see is counted as adultery (zina). Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) said,
“The adultery of the eyes is the sight (to gaze at a forbidden thing), the adultery of the tongue is the talk,… and the inner self wishes and desires and the private parts testify all this or deny it.”
[Sahih Al-Bukhari (no. 6612), Muslim (no. 2657), Ahmed (2/276)]. Gazing at forbidden things is adultery since it is enjoying the sight of charms of a woman, results in these images becoming etched in the heart of the person and he tries to commit actual adultery with her. If Islam forbids gazing at her due the resultant evil, then the same evil results from free mixing. Hence, free mixing too is forbidden, since it is the means to the same evil consequences as the forbidden gaze.
The evidences that we mentioned earlier that it is not permissible to gaze at women means that it is obligatory upon a woman to cover her entire body, since exposing it or part of it results in (forbidden) glances towards it, which in turn leads the heart to become attached to her and then utilizing the means to obtain her (for illicit relations). This is also the case with free mixing.
“And let them (Muslim women) not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment.” (Surah Al-Noor 24:31).
Even though the act of stamping feet itself is permissible, still Since Allah forbade women from stamping their feet so that it does not become a reason for men to hear the sound of anklets worn by women. This would arouse men’s desire for women, and the same evil consequences result from free mixing.
Allah says,
“Allah knows the fraud of the eyes, and all that the breasts conceal.” (Surah Ghafir 40:19).
Ibn ‘Abbas and others said,
“It is (about) a man who visits the house of a family, which includes a beautiful woman too who passes by him. When the members of the family are not watching him, he looks at her, but when they are alert, he lowers his gaze from her. When they are not watching, he gazes at her and when they are observing him, he lowers his gaze. Allah knows that in his heart he wishes to see her naked and if he could, he would commit adultery with her.” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir).
If Allah described the eye which steals a glance towards what is not permissible for it to look as ‘fraud’, then how about free mixing?
Allah ordered women to stay in their homes. He said,
“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance.” (Surah Al-Ahzab 33:33).
Allah commanded the wives of the Prophet (peace be upon him), who were the most pure and chaste women, to stay in their homes. This commandment is addressed to Muslim women in general too, since it is a well established principle of Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) that directed speech is general in scope, except if there is an evidence proving that it is specific to whom it is addressed. However, there is no evidence to make it specific (the Prophet’s wives) in this case. Hence, if women are commanded to remain at home except in case of a necessity that required them to go out, then how can free mixing between them and men of the kind mentioned earlier be permissible? Moreover, in our times women have become too headstrong, have left modest all-covering garments and expose themselves wantonly to the extent of nudity in front of un-related (non-Mahram) men. Husbands and other guardians of women have little control over women whose well-being they are entrusted with.
b) Proofs from the Sunnah
As for the evidence from the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) words and actions, we will mention just ten:
Imam Ahmed narrated It was narrated that Umm Humayd the wife of Abu Humayd al-Saa’idi came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said,
“O Messenger of Allah, I like to pray with you.” He said, “I know that you like to pray with me, but your prayer in your room is better for you than your prayer in your courtyard and your prayer in your courtyard is better for you than your praying in your house, and your prayer in your house is better for you than your prayer in the mosque of your people, and your prayer in the mosque of your people is better for you than your prayer in my mosque.” So she issued orders that a prayer-place be prepared for her in the furthest and darkest part of her house, and she used to pray there until she met Allah (i.e., died).”
[Narrated by Ahmad(6/371), Ibn Khuzaymah in his Saheeh (no. 1689)and others]. Ibn Mas’ood (may Allah be pleased with him) said,
“The woman’s prayer (salah) most beloved to Allah is the one she offers in the darkest part of her home”
[Narrated by Ibn Khuzaymah (no. 1691, 1692) and Al-Tabarani in Al-Mu’jam (2/35)]. There are many other narrations to this effect that it is better for a woman to pray at home than the mosque. Hence, because Islam advises women to pray at home and that it is better than even praying in the Prophet’s Mosque behind the Prophet (peace be upon him) himself, it free mixing should be forbidden with even more reason!
Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said,
“The best rows for men are the first rows, and the worst ones the last ones, and the best rows for women are the last ones and the worst ones for them are the first ones.”
[Sahih Muslim (no. 440), Abu Dawud (no. 678), Al-Tirmithi (no. 224). Al-Tirmithi declared it authentic]. Hence, the Prophet (peace be upon him) told the women that if they came to the mosque, they should firstly remain separate from the worshiping men. Then he described their foremost rows to be worst and the last rows as the better ones. This was only to keep the women praying behind away from mingling with, seeing and having their hearts attached to the men in front of them on hearing voices or watching movements of the men. The Prophet (peace be upon him) described the last rows of men as the worst if there were women in the mosque. The reason behind this is that men in the last rows missed being near the Imam (prayer leader) and instead found positions near the women who are a cause of distraction and may even spoil the prayers by making these men lose concentration and sincerity in worship. Hence, if the Prophet (peace be upon him) expected this to happen in a place of worship, then how about free mixing? Free mixing in which men and women are much closer!
Zainab, the wife of ‘Abdullah, reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said to us:
“When any one of you comes to the mosque, she should not apply perfume.”
[narrated by Muslim (no. 443), Ahmed (6/363)]. The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said
“Do not prevent the female servants of Allah from visiting the mosques of Allah, but they may go out (to the mosque) having no perfumed themselves.”
im not arguing about anything written here,,,but just wondering how those in the west keep to these rules on seperation,,,,when shops hospitals schools..and all businesses are all mixed ..so what does everyone do just stay at home,,,
not that im condoning mixing but surely some degree of mixing is unavoidable???
not that im condoning mixing but surely some degree of mixing is unavoidable???
hayat84
I'm not what you believe
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Brother Sachin4Islam,Precious Star and Asja,just thank you for your posts.above all brother Sachin4Islam,your answer gave me a little bit of knowledge.Indeed I've never"freemixed" myself with some body else(a'udhu billahi).when I became muslimah,I accepted and embraced Islam,but now I realized that "free will" doesn't exist when someone decides to accept islam,because his existence is in the hands of Allah!jazak Allah khair brother,I never thought in this way.Another thing:my husband said me to go to Hajj with my mother in law and my brother in law,and he can remain with my children.I told him that it's against shari'a to be alone with a non-mahram man(my heart only loves my husband and nobody else,until I'll be alive,so there is no Shaytan between me and other ones)he was calm and sure of me,because in our family we don't think such disgusting and unpure things.what can I do?I wish to go to Hajj,maybe one day I'll do it in sh Allah
Brother Sachin4Islam,Precious Star and Asja,just thank you for your posts.above all brother Sachin4Islam,your answer gave me a little bit of knowledge.Indeed I've never"freemixed" myself with some body else(a'udhu billahi).when I became muslimah,I accepted and embraced Islam,but now I realized that "free will" doesn't exist when someone decides to accept islam,because his existence is in the hands of Allah!jazak Allah khair brother,I never thought in this way.Another thing:my husband said me to go to Hajj with my mother in law and my brother in law,and he can remain with my children.I told him that it's against shari'a to be alone with a non-mahram man(my heart only loves my husband and nobody else,until I'll be alive,so there is no Shaytan between me and other ones)he was calm and sure of me,because in our family we don't think such disgusting and unpure things.what can I do?I wish to go to Hajj,maybe one day I'll do it in sh Allah
Assalaam walaikum,
It is a progression for those of us who were in an environment where free-mixing was a non-issue.
As you begin to follow Islam, and at times you think it is crazy..you suddenly realize the fun you have when you are with the same sex gender.
I am currently teaching the most wonderful group of girls. I remarked how freely we can discuss issues of all kinds. We laugh and giggle and feel free to ask questions.
We have some pretty heady discussions.
I have made a decision to avoid the opposite sex. And it has made a positive impact on my life.
As we ask Allah for guidance He gives it to us.
It is a progression for those of us who were in an environment where free-mixing was a non-issue.
As you begin to follow Islam, and at times you think it is crazy..you suddenly realize the fun you have when you are with the same sex gender.
I am currently teaching the most wonderful group of girls. I remarked how freely we can discuss issues of all kinds. We laugh and giggle and feel free to ask questions.
We have some pretty heady discussions.
I have made a decision to avoid the opposite sex. And it has made a positive impact on my life.
As we ask Allah for guidance He gives it to us.
Just a Guy
Reinventing Myself
:salam2:
To be honest, I embrace the separation of genders that occurs in Islam, and this is coming from a culture that worships and idolizes sexual relations. I have issues in my life that I am dealing with, and I don't need the added distraction of trying to impress some woman too.
But then, I've always been a bit phobic of women. Probably why the vast majority of my female contacts have been internet/telephone. I get all goofy around women and become this socially inept stumbling dork, which doesn't do much for my self-esteem.
So by not having women around, I don't have to worry about that part. I can just concentrate on becoming a better man.
I do get lonely sometimes, but I try to remember that this is the way it must be. I have priorities, and finding a woman is not one of them right now.
To be honest, I embrace the separation of genders that occurs in Islam, and this is coming from a culture that worships and idolizes sexual relations. I have issues in my life that I am dealing with, and I don't need the added distraction of trying to impress some woman too.
But then, I've always been a bit phobic of women. Probably why the vast majority of my female contacts have been internet/telephone. I get all goofy around women and become this socially inept stumbling dork, which doesn't do much for my self-esteem.
So by not having women around, I don't have to worry about that part. I can just concentrate on becoming a better man.
I do get lonely sometimes, but I try to remember that this is the way it must be. I have priorities, and finding a woman is not one of them right now.