Did you know that the Jews have NEVER EVER fought directly?

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Assalaam walaikum,

That is a lot of information.

When I saw the JDL I did a quick search and it refreshed my memory. That was a different time.

They are actually the mouthpiece of the Zionist lobby in North America, given their history of domestic terrorism within the U.S., this is important to know especially when constantly dealing with accusations of 'Islamic terrorism'. I think this information is important for all of us.

Back to the initial issue, sister Shyhijabi, I hope this whole thread hasn't hurt you. At times it feels like people on this site can be a bit harsh and I hope it hasn't turned you off, they way it has myself and others in the past.

 

[ShyHijabi]

Assalaam walaikum,

If you watched the video you realize it is not conspiracy theory. It is a history lesson. Facts and dates.

To support the Israels you are saying that Christians are donkeys and Muslims are to be killed.

When one enters Islam it is to rid the world of the wrongs of the world. You can not defend the enemies of Islam.

And you can not keep finding comfort by saying this is a conspiracy theory. Sister..those are the words of the oppressors..even the average US citizens is waking up. Occupy Wall Street.

I ask you why defend those who kill Muslims? And you call me a hate-monger?

:salam2:

And I would challenge you to find where I wrote hate monger or the fact I support israel. I was warning the Muslims about using an umbrella term to describe all Jews. Any educated Jew would know that the state of Israel is a disgusting state that is illegal from the ground up. My own family is opposed to Israel and it's actions. The Christians are more dangerous to Muslims than Jews in my opinion, as the majority of the invasions into sovereign nations is being spear headed by their Zionistic agenda.

I am defending fellow human being from being generalized by well meaning but misguided folks. I try to judge each individual from their actions and words and not by what some people of their background do. It would behoove fellow Muslims to do the same.

 

[John Smith]

To answer the title of thread that jews have never thought directly should be answered with the following " Why have a dog if you going to bark yourself ?",its not their fault that some are gullable to fight their wars on their behalf,you see the zionist christians beleive that its their duty to defend the state of israel as the jews are gods choosen nation and lets be honest they were as Allah Swt clearly states in the quran.

Thats why the american admistartion backs every move the state of israel does.

To tar all jews with the same brush is unwarrented,in the state of israel you have jews who work in difficult circumstances to highlight the plight of the palestinians and their daily struggles.

The problem the jews have today is that judaism has been hijacked by the zionist just like islam has been hijacked by the extremist.

Hope i made some sense.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,


Yes, the activist from Israel is one of the most compassionate human beings.
His link:http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/.

On one level yes Judaism has been hijacked. On another level, for Muslims, we have to return to educating ourselves.

We can co-exist on this planet. We are the ones who have taken responsibility of taking care of this planet. We are not doing so.

And Allah knew the need to send His Messenger because the Chosen Ones had corrupted His Words. That is why we recite Sura Faithia. Allah has told us what is His religion in this world.

But this thread is not an apology. This I thought was to educate how wars are now fought indirectly. And, too, we can not forget how riba has made a mess and an indirect cause of war..something about the IMF and World Bank.
This is a thread to try and identify the sources of wars. As the US and UK get ready with Israel to attack yet another Muslim country and watch millions die..oh..hey did you read about Syria...that's a good one..more weapons of mass destruction.

Has anyone paid attention to the fact that I a Muslim woman who reads about the death of Muslim children and women killed by drones and chemicals and starvation..not one of you has said..oh we are sorry we hurt your Muslim feelings.

 

[esperanza]

was my post removed cos im off topic or just because imention saudis

 

[islamerica]

I don't think we can generalize any group of people at any given time. Even when the Jews were treacherous in the past whether it was breaking treaties with the Prophet (peace be upon him) or rebelling against the Prophets in the past, there were always a few who obeyed.

I think it is important to differentiate between Jews and Zionists. Jews are those who follow the Torah or not (not practicing). They range from orthodox Jews to secular Jews. Among them are those who support Israel and war on Islam and among them are those who speak out against Israel and speak for Islam. There are Rabbis who have said in the US media that US Media is bias towards Islam and needs to tone it down and stop making Islam look bad.

As for zionists, they are the communist Jews. When Islam and Christianity were two big empires fighting with each other. There was a communist nation whose king want to adopt a religion and having not upset any of these two empires, they decided to go with Judaism. The zionists stem from those communists. They don't really care about the Torah, they have their Talmund. Which preaches nothing but hatred and filth. In it the non jews (gentiles) are seen as nothing but cattle, who you can kill, rape, oppress, steal from and so forth. This the same talmund that allows them to have sex with a 3 year old. These zionist jews are behind most of the stuff going on. They have their lobbies in the west and europe singing their tunes to the people. They are the ones who also helped Hitler and fought along side his soldiers in killing Jews to further their agenda of creating israel.

So anyways, when Muslims say Jews are evil and this and that. They are not generalizing and saying ALL Jews are like that, rather they are talking in general sense that Jews are like that and their history speaks speaks for itself. Otherwise, no one has one more for Jews in the past than Muslims. It was Muslim spain where the Jews found safe haven for over 800 years. Before that they were oppressed and persecuted everywhere. It was the Christians crusades who tried to annihilate Jews in Spain and it was Muslims again who sent their ships to Spain to save the jews. Even as recent as holocaust, it was the Albanian Muslims who were hiding and protecting the Jews. You can read about that here:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2011/01/26/photographer-reveals-how-muslims-saved-jews-from-the-nazis-91466-28054413​

 

[nyerekareem]

I think people here need to learn the difference between a Jew and a Zionist . There was no word for Zionist in the time of the Prophet Saaws, I'm pretty sure he was talking about zionists. Because we all know that Islam disapproves of the notion of racial superiority.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

You know what was good about this. We had many many people think, today.

But, we, and I am the first, we did not use any hadeeth to back up what we were saying. I did use a little Quran. We forgot all about the Sahaba. We got carried away in emotion.

And this brings us to the question of the day. There is no direct fighting anymore. The drone wars where machines do the killing. The oppressors are such cowards they do not even want you to see their eyes. It is simply killing innocents for oil and resources.

You are either with them or against them. More power to Occupy Wall Streeters.


Brother,

Although Islam disapproves of racial superiority that is not the case in Judaism. Israel has the most racists laws in existence.

 

[wantobeMumin]

:salam2:
sorry but i find this post very offensive.
how a post like this severe us any good?


if u want to talk about historical facts then what about war of 1967,1948 and 1971? who were arabs fighting with?

i understand where u are coming from but to me such a post is nothing but distraction and a ploy to engage ourselves in useless arguments.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

The responses made this offensive. It was not.

This was to be a historical discussion. It got emotional. Historically it would have been beneficial to trace the battles and wars that were fought. There are recorded accounts of the battles. Three thousand years of history and we could have all learned.

What we need to do is find out why the Jews were expelled from every European country until the illegal state of Israel was formed. Therein lies the answer.

Why is useless to discover the histories of the countries that expelled a particular group of people. What were the reasons.

Once again, this was not to be offensive. It was to stimulate thinking. I guess we do not wish to think. We want to be politically correct.

 

[ShyHijabi]

:salam2:

One way to take down Israel is for every single Muslim to boycott interest bearing banking. There are over a billion of us, can you imagine the devastation if we follow the Qur'an and refuse to be part of an interest banking system? Or cut up the credit cards and never touch them again? You want to bring down the world banking institution, then put your money where you're deen is.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

Muslims have to stop hurting Muslims first.

 

[wantobeMumin]

Appa, there are recording accounts of jews being slaughtered by iraqi muslims in early 1900s when british forces were marching toward Baghdad.
There are recorded accounts of jews being murdered and expelled by Nazis because just like jews consider us gentiles, nazi considered them scum of the earth.
There are recorded historical facts that not EVERY European country expelled jews. There r recorded historical accounts that even now we are labeling all jews of being cowards and treacherous creatures, they did lived and fought along side by side with muslims against Christians in Spain.
There are recorded accounts that in all 3 arab israeli wars jews did fight in battle fields againt muslim as appose to what the creator of this post suggested.

bottom line is, it is wrong and unethical for twisting facts and history just so that it can serve my purpose.

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam walaikum,


But brother,, how am I failing to show you the duplilcity that is in play here.

It is a matter of slowing down to make sure everyone is on the same page. The poster is saying that a general characterstic of the Jewish history is a lack of that man to man; face to face; eye to eye contact of battle.

We, Muslims, have that image in our blood and by our blood...you know I would donate blood, my would come out so quickly and evenly and was a deep color, and the nurses would be amazed at the ease of the blood flow, I would scream out: Now you why everyone wants Muslim blood, of not fearing blood. For blood is of this world and is a gift. Battle has been described to us in every detail. We know when it is time to fight, we know the characteristics of what we have to fight, we have to be in absolute accordance, as we all well know..this is in the Quran.

And the Battles described in the Quran present conditions to declare man to man face to face eye to eye combat. You have to be 100%. It is an all or nothing. It has to be. There are no in-between states.

Well, we really do not have much knowledge of what the Jews did in terms of battle, all we have is the current era...there is almost a 2,000 year gap of knowledge..and then a monster is born...and how they are known to change words...

I think this is what we want to learn.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Assalamu'alaikum.

I expected this fight. Honestly I do not see any intention from anybody to generalize all jews. Pls raise your hand if any? In fact I put in the bracket zionist and those in the same boat with them... if anyone if you felt you are in the "same boat" with zionist then you should felt it. Many times Indian being condemned here, was there any Indian including me complain why are you generalizing Indian? It is not generalizing. We Indian (I guess all Indians here) know which Indian you referring to.

Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikun, and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: "We are Christians." That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud. [Q, 5:82]

Among the kafir there are "ahlul harbi" and "ahlu zimmi", likewise we have "ahlul harbi" jews and "ahlu zimmi" jews. Anyone mentioned anything negative about jews it should be directed at "ahlul harbi" jews.

Pls forgive and forget for any misunderstanding.

 

[John Smith]

Assalamu'alaikum.


Among the kafir there are "ahlul harbi" and "ahlu zimmi", likewise we have "ahlul harbi" jews and "ahlu zimmi" jews. Anyone mentioned anything negative about jews it should be directed at "ahlul harbi" jews.

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Sorry to pull you up on this quote Hard Rock...but why do you use the term kafir to describe jews & christians yet in the quran they are known as Ahle kitaabh (people of the book) if i spelt the word correct?

What is the actuall arabic translation for Kafir?

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

I know this has to be the tenth post I have mentioned this work. I read it all. It has had a profound impact on me. This made me digest. I read word for word.
This is for real..he spells it out..he ain't scared...he is direct..he makes sense...I got knowledge from this brother..and I supplicate that Allah reward the brothers on TTI who requested this and the one who linked it:
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80445


This will answer questions regarding kufr etc.

 

[strive-may-i]

As to why the jews were hated in post renaissance europe. Possibly its got to do with Immigrant jewish money lenders (taking interest on loans). Interest is a very serious lack of solidarity, and it does not go well with human spirit. And from how I understood, history of europe, It was one of the reasons bankers were hated, and Jewish community was mostly identified with banking during those times. They got entangled somehow in local tussles. Now that still does not justify the atrocity, agreed. One wrong to correct another wrong, makes it two wrongs, taking discussion far away from the right approach

I remember reading some accounts of how immigrant lenders who take interest are hated in Burma, that could be a parallel. There is another country I read, where chinese lenders are hated( not able to find reference.) http://www.marxists.org/archive/burchett/1946/democracy-with-a-tommygun/ch02.htm

 

[strive-may-i]

A study says Europe still has anti-semetism. Study does not look into the reasons, but quite an interesting study -- http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/EuropeanAttitudesPoll-10-02.pdf

Its interesting, because the underlying human psyche plays against perceived outsiders also. I would ask the question why do some in Europe hate so much. Holocaust was one peak of anti jewish sentiment..

Israel now for example has least tolerance, and confines non Israeli to silos. Guess the underlying theme is Cold Shrewd tactics, single out easily identifiable groups to be scapegoats...


Shrewd mind games are worst, its cold, it never settles. Though one looks calm, mind is ticking and making plans for what next. The mind stops listening to what the senses see. One Self becomes center and the rest dont matter. It becomes a monster that refuses to budge....
A good close example would be Cold War. It developed and reached ridiculous heights too, the US and Russia made the whole world their battle ground, trying to keep the homeland safe... is it not? Finally it proved a waste...

 

[ximkoyra]

Sorry to pull you up on this quote Hard Rock...but why do you use the term kafir to describe jews & christians yet in the quran they are known as Ahle kitaabh (people of the book) if i spelt the word correct?

What is the actuall arabic translation for Kafir?

:salam2:

The word kafir predates Islamic Arabia and used to refer to farmers who planted seeds in the ground and covered them with soil. In the Quran, you can take it as meaning one who hides or covers (like soil covering seeds) themselves from the message of Islam. It's unfortunate that many translations have converted this word to "infidel" in their translations because kafir has a very specific meaning.


And I'll also have to join the side of those that protest this thread. Don't you realize that this is the exact same way that 'Pat Robertson-type Christians' talk about us? I can seriously start to understand the illogical hatred that people have for Muslims due to a single event (9/11), because many Muslims engage in the same type of thought process because of a single entity (Israel). Focus on your deen and do not trap your minds with anger.