7 heavens....????

falomar

Junior Member
I wonder how the 7 heavens were made....

Can we understand that 7 heavens is equal to 7 universes? or just 7 heavens more above this universe?...if so....they say the universe is expanding, what effect would that bring to the heavens, I bet we don't yet know the answer to that question.....

Have you ever people realized how small and tiny we are compared to our solar system, to our Milkyway galaxy and to the whole universe?.....we are like bacteria living in a tiny blue planet hiding someplace inside a black deep cosmos. I guess that if God made the universe so large, so vast, he had to make himself small and tiny to enter to this small planet and talk to human-being.....That's just a wonderful mystery.

By the way,....is there a place in the Quran where we can find the evidence of Alien existence?....what does Islam teach about extraterrestrial being?, aside from that of angels of course....I'm asking these because if ever the heavens are not beyond this universe (wich they say its expanding), then, there's a big possibility the angels might live in another planet in another galaxy....

well....I know it sounds crazy, but it is still a question that needs to be answered.....
 

Erik

Junior Member
Good question, most have thought about it, I will Answer short as what I belive, Allah is above all that, Allah do not want us to know everything, what science is letted to known to us is because Allah wanted it so.
Allah is everything, King of the Universe.
Wasalam. /Erik
 

dianne

Senior Member
Salam,

i Just do my own stuff,praying,sadaqah,dhua,recite the surah etc-about the 7heavens wallahu alam.

Wassalam
 

Ahmed Najash

Junior Member
WOW! you think exactly like me,
I mean beside angels there is jins, it is said they have families just like us and they have good guys and bad guys just like us.
(what about "thajjaal" or the "ehjooch mahjooch" they may be aliens)

"And there were gathered together unto Solomon his armies of the jinn and humankind, and of the birds, and they were set in battle order;"
(An-Naml. verse 17.)

"And thy Lord shall come with angels, rank on rank,"
(Al-Fajr.verse 22)

I can't remember this story very well, the story about the army of elephants that came to conquer mecca that was completely destroyed by a flock of birds that came and dropped stones on them(could have been alien fighters.)

"He saith: Enter into the Fire among nations of the JINN and humankind who passed away before you.
..."
(Al-A'raf. verse 38)

and note that we have to pass 7 planets to leave this solar system
(may be when they say we have to pass 7 heavens(may mean ski or atmosphere) to reach the Allah's urs(throne), it might mean our solar system)

oh! there is so much, sooooo much, I just can't believe you think the same.

I hope no one gets offended or anything this is just a thought,
this just means Allah is above everything.
 

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
Good question, most have thought about it, I will Answer short as what I belive, Allah is above all that, Allah do not want us to know everything, what science is letted to known to us is because Allah wanted it so.
Allah is everything, King of the Universe.
Wasalam. /Erik

:salam2:

I completely agree with brother Erik. Allah has not told us many things about unseen. Allah says in Quran if he wished he could have made all the earth to accept Islam. But remember we are being tested. If Allah reveal all his power and "clear presence" to us, everyone will become Muslim in one second. But Allah has given freedom of choice and the brain to use it.

Example: Testing a child's obedience
Suppose there is one child sitting in a room and you place a plate full with apples before him and instruct him not to eat, with following options:

option1 - Tie the hands of child
option2 - Dont tie the hands but sit right infront of him
option3 - Dont tie and hide yourself from children eyes (just keep on looking behind the door his activities)

So, which will be real test for child obedience? Naturally the third one.
You will feel so love for the child that he obeyed you inspite of his freedom and being alone that you will say "come my boy i want to give you something better than this plate of apples! These were just a part of your test...but now i want to give you whole bucket of apples...."

Allah has also given us limited brain capacity, limited eye capacity and limited life time. Allah shows us only what he want us to see so that we can complete our test justly.

By the way you may refer to this link as well, which more or less say the same thing about seven heavens.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13082

Wasalam
 

farhopes

No God but Allah
Assalamo alikom

You all gave excelent answer :ma:

I just wann add some verses from the Holy Qur'an which show that we do not know everything about the huge and amazing universe originated by Allah. How is an ant supposed to realize and understand the modern technology of telecom??!!

"And (He has created) horses, mules and donkeys, for you to ride and as an adornment. And He creates (other) things of which you have no knowledge." سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #8

"And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Rooh (the Spirit); Say: "The Rooh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little."
سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #85
 

falomar

Junior Member
WOW! you think exactly like me,
I mean beside angels there is jins, it is said they have families just like us and they have good guys and bad guys just like us.
(what about "thajjaal" or the "ehjooch mahjooch" they may be aliens)

"And there were gathered together unto Solomon his armies of the jinn and humankind, and of the birds, and they were set in battle order;"
(An-Naml. verse 17.)

"And thy Lord shall come with angels, rank on rank,"
(Al-Fajr.verse 22)

I can't remember this story very well, the story about the army of elephants that came to conquer mecca that was completely destroyed by a flock of birds that came and dropped stones on them(could have been alien fighters.)

"He saith: Enter into the Fire among nations of the JINN and humankind who passed away before you.
..."
(Al-A'raf. verse 38)

and note that we have to pass 7 planets to leave this solar system
(may be when they say we have to pass 7 heavens(may mean ski or atmosphere) to reach the Allah's urs(throne), it might mean our solar system)

oh! there is so much, sooooo much, I just can't believe you think the same.

I hope no one gets offended or anything this is just a thought,
this just means Allah is above everything.


Well....now you can see you are not the only one..:shake: ...it's natural having questions and wondering, as long we don't question how great and powerfull is Allah.

I'm just pretty sure that Allah is so powerful to create "things" beyond our imagination....more creatures and better worlds....its so amazing....

and yes,...there could be a hint among all those verses, YES,...Allah is above everything; and as all of you said:

Allah has not told us many things about unseen....Why?....he only knows....
yes,....Maybe we are being tested, our faith in him and our behavior...
 

MubarekMuslimah

Junior Member
Salaams

I think it is necessary to mention that we should not think of Allah swt as directly and literally above us. Because in doing so it places a limitation on Him. He is everywhere and neither here nor there. When we pray we should not pray up looking at the heavens as if we are looking towards Him - we should lower our gaze as a sign of humility.

Perhaps somene can explain better than me! I am a bit tired and my brain is beginning to seize up! But I think its a very important point to mention insha'allah.

Salaams
 

falomar

Junior Member
Well,....I read the link you posted.........very nice.........but.....altought Modern science, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers, (as I just read in the link) I have my doubts that the seven heavens refer to our atmosphere.....A rainbow consist of seven colors as well (7).....Honestly, I like the idea that the seven heavens refers to something beyond our atmosphere....beyond our own imagination, beyond our comprehension....or at least beyond the comprehension of those who surrounded the prophet Mohammed pbuh.
 

Ahmed Najash

Junior Member
Well....now you can see you are not the only one..:shake: ...it's natural having questions and wondering, as long we don't question how great and powerfull is Allah.

I'm just pretty sure that Allah is so powerful to create "things" beyond our imagination....more creatures and better worlds....its so amazing....

and yes,...there could be a hint among all those verses, YES,...Allah is above everything; and as all of you said:

Allah has not told us many things about unseen....Why?....he only knows....
yes,....Maybe we are being tested, our faith in him and our behavior...

very well said!
:shake:
:allahuakbar:
 

Proud2BeHumble

Seek Truth, Be Happy
:salam2:

Well,....I read the link you posted.........very nice.........but.....altought Modern science, discovered the fact that the atmosphere surrounding the Earth is made up of "seven" basic layers, (as I just read in the link) I have my doubts that the seven heavens refer to our atmosphere.....A rainbow consist of seven colors as well (7).....Honestly, I like the idea that the seven heavens refers to something beyond our atmosphere....beyond our own imagination, beyond our comprehension....or at least beyond the comprehension of those who surrounded the prophet Mohammed pbuh.

Light also consist of seven colours (remember VIBGYOR). When we pray, seven parts of our body touch the ground in sajda (bowing) i.e. two legs, two knees, two hands, one face :)

And yes i do also feel division of heaven is beyond our imagination. Earthly atmosphere is however described as sky whcih Allah said, he made a "protected roof". (remember ozone protection etc)

Wasalam
 

BrotherZak

Junior Member
The question of whether Aliens exist or intelligent sentient beings living on other worlds, have been asked on islamonline to the scholars here is the answer: its a resounding yes!!

"Where does Islam stand on extraterrestrial life forms? Does Islam say they exist?
Salam, Irfan.

Thank you for your question.

Before we speak about the Islamic view on extraterrestrial life forms, we need to be clear about what they are. They are not creatures like angels, whose existence is a matter of faith for Muslims as well as for some other religious people.

A Scientific Understanding

Extraterrestrial (literally, "outside earth") beings (if they exist) have a material existence in the world of space and time on some planets other than the earth. Such beings may be simple one-celled creatures similar to bacteria, but most people commonly use the term extraterrestrial to mean intelligent life on other planets.

From a scientific point of view, there are a few important points we should not lose sight of when discussing life forms. Life requires complex and subtle chemical reactions for it to come into being as well as to exist. And such reactions require a liquid medium to facilitate them.

But we should know that liquids cannot exist isolated in space or on bodies without gaseous pressure pressing down on a solid surface (Kryss Katsiavriades and Talaat Qureshi, Extraterrestrial Life).

Now of all the known objects in our solar system, only the earth is definitely known to have the conditions needed for liquid to exist under the prevailing conditions.

It is also possible that Jupiter's moons Europa and Ganymede as well as Saturn's moon Titan may have liquid on or below the surface. So there is a distant possibility that they may have some life forms existing there.

And we know that of all liquids, it is water that actually does have some very special properties that are crucial to the formation of life (Kryss Katsiavriades and Talaat Qureshi, Extraterrestrial Life).

Possibilities in the Qur'an

In this context, it is well worth remembering how the Noble Qur'an teaches us of the connection between water and life. For instance, see this verse which gives the meaning of

*{Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We cleaved them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?}* (Al-Anbiyaa' 21:30)

Today, scientists tell us that life began in the sea when simple molecules bonded together and became self-replicating. And Allah said He created all life from water and raised a protective canopy over the Earth. Allah knows best, and all we can do is to study, to research, and to reflect.

To return to our topic about extraterrestrials: There are verses in the Qur'an that apparently favor the belief in the existence of such creatures, though we cannot find any particular verse explicitly stating their existence.

The very phrase rabbul `aalameen meaning "the Lord of the worlds" as a description of God points to the possibility of the existence of beings in many worlds.

We read in the Qur'an several verses where God's creatures of various kinds are mentioned. Here is one verse which means

*{Among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills.}* (Ash-Shura 42:29)

Based on the above verse, among others, some of our scholars of the Qur'an permit the belief in the existence of life on other planets or anywhere other than the earth according to one's judgment.

Note the expression in the above verse "living creatures He has scattered through them." There is a reference here to creatures on planets other than earth.

The word used for "living creatures" is dabbah and according to the famous Qur'an translator Muhammad Asad, "The word dabbah denotes any sentient, corporeal being capable of spontaneous movement; it is contrasted here with the non-corporeal, spiritual beings designated as angels (Asad, Muhammad. The Message of the Qur'an. England: Book Foundation, 2003, 449).

On the same verse, Abdullah Yusuf Ali comments, "It is reasonable to suppose that Life in some form or another is scattered through some of the millions of heavenly bodies scattered through space." (Ali, Abdullah Yusuf, The Qur'an: Text, Transaltion and Commentary, Ad-Dar Al-`Arabiah, Beirut, 1938, 1314).

So one day, if scientists come forward with solid proof for the existence of extraterrestrial beings, it should not be a surprise for Muslims.

No Conclusive Evidence So Far

But at the same time, to this day there hasn't appeared any confirmed scientific evidence supporting the theory that intelligent beings like humans exist on other planets.

Of course, there have been instances where people claimed that they met aliens (intelligent extraterrestrial beings) or actually saw UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects; supposed space vehicles used by aliens).

In fact, the question of whether aliens and UFOs exist has been the subject of ferocious debate. There are some who claim that aliens do often appear on our skies in space ships and occasionally land on earth, while others categorically deny the existence of such aliens.

Aliens and UFOs have provided great scope for the kind of fiction that appeals to people's imagination while drawing heavily on their increasing interest in the wonders of science and technology.

Particularly in the United States, there is fertile ground for all kinds of "fashionable" myths to be advanced and propagated. Think of the number of psychics, clairvoyants, spiritualist mediums, and other self-proclaimed experts who flourish there on the "educated ignorance" of the gullible public.

People in the East, who have almost forgotten all these superstitions, are led to believe by the media that these are part of the postmodern lifestyle now renovated and closely followed by a glamorous West. People in the East tend to swallow almost anything spewed out by the American visual media, falling easy prey to such beliefs.

Scientifically, no conclusive proof has been discovered so far of the existence of life on other planets or in other galaxies. But the universe is such an enormous entity that we cannot discount the possibility of life existing, as on earth, in some remote planet in one of the millions of galaxies.

From the Islamic point of view, it is all left to science, as the Qur'an clearly and categorically supports all kinds of honest scientific investigations, for Islam encourages humankind to explore the universe, as this helps to lead to deeper faith in the Almighty Creator.

This is the sound scientific stand towards everything that is yet to be known conclusively. We do not know all the secrets of the universe, nor can we know them. And finally, this issue of the existence of extraterrestrials is not related to our fundamental faith, and a belief or disbelief with regard to them need not trouble us overmuch.

I hope this answers your question. Please stay in touch."

also an article on aliens in the quran: very good and comprehensive http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/
 

falomar

Junior Member
*{Among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills.}* (Ash-Shura 42:29)

If the words of the Quram has never been altered, then the word "them" could say it all....its a plural term

And finally, this issue of the existence of extraterrestrials is not related to our fundamental faith, and a belief or disbelief with regard to them need not trouble us overmuch.

I totally agree, Islam should be based in our relationship with Allah (swt), regardless if the rest can be explained or not.....even so, the thirst for knowledge is always there inside our mind.....

Very nice, I really enjoyed reading it, Thanks!
 

BrotherZak

Junior Member
If the words of the Quram has never been altered, then the word "them" could say it all....its a plural term



I totally agree, Islam should be based in our relationship with Allah (swt), regardless if the rest can be explained or not.....even so, the thirst for knowledge is always there inside our mind.....

Very nice, I really enjoyed reading it, Thanks!

I'm Glad you did.

Just to let you know many scholars are of the opinion that Aliens or exterresterials do exist somewhere in the universe;but since it is not confirmed by science most do not speak on it. For instance, Zakir naik believes it as well as other scholars.
 

Muhammad_A

Penguin fancier
(33) Sura 41:11-12 tell us,"Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke,and said unto it and unto the earth:come both of you,willingly or loth.

I'd interpret this as referring to the very early universe after the Big Bang which, as any astrophysics enthusiast knows, was hot, dense and opaque. Kind of like smoke.

And it is We who have built the universe with (Our creative) power;and,verily,it is We who are steadily expanding it."

And this bit is truely amazing, because no way could someone with the technology or scientific knowledge available to the nations of Muhammad(salli alaiyu allahi wa salaam)'s time have had even merest iota of an imkling of a notion that that's exactly what the universe is doing

Subhan'Allah :D
 

Muhammad_A

Penguin fancier
And surely the news that Muhammad (salli allahu alayi wa salaam) is the final messenger (a mercy to all creation), the Quran is the final revelation and Islam is the final, perfect, religion tells us something about our destiny and purpose as an Ummah.
 

lions_den1

Ahle Sunnah wal Jama
7 Seven Heavens

7 Heavens refers to the Seven Major Levels of Jannah- the evidence of this the famous hadith where the messenger of Allah went on Isra and Miraj (and he (pbuh) met Ibrahim, Musa, Isa, Yahya (peace be upon them all) until he reached the 7th Heaven) all this is past the universe that we know.

As for aliens and extra terrestrial being are concerned- it is compleatly useless. This is knowledge that does not benefit anyone, in thier deen or eman or thier worship of Allah- so let's not waste our time discussing wheather they exist or not.

Like in surah Kahf (Surah 18) Allah condemns the Christians who wasted thier time debating wheather there were 3, or 5 or 7 youths and one dog in the cave...
This is knowledge that does not benefit us so we should leave it. (The important part of story was the youth were seeking the help from Allah to sake them from shirk)

If there was any benefit to be obtained by knowing about the aliens then Allah or His messenger would have explicitly mentioned it like they mentioned about the angels and thr Jinns.

If they exist and they have a concious like man then they must worship Allah- we are not told by all to believe in the Aliens. So let's put our time to, talking about more useful and more beneficial topics of Islam.

Allah Knows Best
 
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