Can you beat your wife...

Almeftah

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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

In short simple words.. a man can beat his wife only after he used up all other methods.
But, the beating must not do physical harm in any way.

When Prophet Mohammed wanted to beat one of his wifes he'd do it with his Siwak..:)

So have mercy on your wife.
 

Happy 2BA Muslim

Islamophilic
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When Prophet Mohammed wanted to beat one of his wifes he'd do it with his Siwak..:)

:wasalam:

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him never hit or beat any of his wives!!


The husband should realize that he is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock. Allaah has enjoined upon him to treat them in a good and proper manner and to treat his family kindly. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“The best of you is the one who is best towards his wife, and I am the best of you towards my wives.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 3895; Ibn Maajah, 1977; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami, 3314).

Part of that good and kind treatment means not beating one’s wife in a severe manner and not insukting or cursing her. He should realize that this is a violation of the trust with which Allaah has entrusted him.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

“Fear Allaah with regard to women, for you have taken them as a trust from Allaah and intimacy with them has become permissible to you by the words of Allaah. Your right over them is that they should not allow anyone to sit on your furniture whom you dislike; if they do that then hit them but not in a harsh manner. And their right over you is that you should provide for them and clothe them on a reasonable basis.” Narrated by Muslim, 1218.

The hadeeth may be understood as meaning that a man has the right to hit his wife, in a manner that is not harsh and does not cause injury if if there is a reason for that, such as her going against his wishes or disobeying him.

This is like the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“As to those women on whose part you see ill‑conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great”
[al-Nisa’ 4:34]


If a woman rebels against her husband and disobeys his commands, then he should follow this method of admonishing her, forsaking her in bed and hitting her. Hitting is subject to the condition that it should not be harsh or cause injury. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: this means that it should not cause pain.

‘Ata’ said: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, what is the kind of hitting that is not harsh? He said, Hitting with a siwaak and the like. [A siwaak is a small stick or twig used for cleaning the teeth - Translator]

The purpose behind this is not to hurt or humiliate the woman, rather it is intended to make her realize that she has transgressed against her husband’s rights, and that her husband has the right to set her straight and discipline her.

:salam2:
 

tarannumsamir

Junior Member
:salam2:

I'm not sure if you read the article but light disciplinary action after all other measures are implemented is permissable in Islam. Other measures are provided first inshallah not to even reach to that level.Not going to extremes is another thing. You are right Prophet (PBUH) never resulted to these measures, but by Allah it is permissable if neccessary but not to the conditions were it is causing harm. The wife relationship with the husband is a respectable one without a doubt so the wife should never get so out of hand were she is not respectable to herself or her husband then these measures would not have to be even taken into play. Of course I would not want a man to beat his wife for I am a woman. But I also know my rights over me and my rights over my husband that are constituted by Allah Ta'ala.

Salam
Sister Amirah80

very well said sister amirah80.
 

amirah80

*Fear Allah*
sorry but if my husband HITS me, i will lay him out and divorce him.

Salam Sister rtbour

Inshallah you and your husband will not be put in this situation so no one will have to get laid out and divorced:)

May Allah protect over you and your husband and bless you both with patience and love. Ameen:hearts:


Salam Amirah80:hijabi:
 

mariamla

New Member
article about the verse of abuse

essalaam aleykoum,

I have an article about beating a wife, called "the verse aof abuse or the abused verse", I would like to share it with you all.
It's a bit long but I didn't find an option to insert a file, so I copied and pasted it.
THE VERSE OF ABUSE, OR THE ABUSED VERSE


Al-Qur'an 4:34
"Men shall take full care of women with the bounties Allah has bestowed on them, and what they may spend out of their possession; as Allah has eschewed each with certain qualities in relation to the other. And the righteous women are the truly devout ones, who guard the intimacy which Allah has ordained to be guarded.

As for those women whose ill-will you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then distance yourself in bed, and then tap them; but if they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them. Surely, Allah is indeed the Most High, the Greatest."

Role of family
The role of family in the overall social structure of Islam is great and if we fail to grasp its importance, the whole edifice will collapse.

In Islam there is no family without union or marriage and there is no marriage without rules and discipline. The family in Islam is a unit in which two independent persons unite and share life together. The husband's dignity is an integral part of his wife's dignity. Accordingly, neither of them is better than the other. To unite and share, there must be mutual love and compassion – a genuine feeling which; unless translated into action and behavior, would be mere illusion.

Women's rights in the family
From the very outset, Islam has been a liberating religion that uplifted the status of women and gave them rights that were considered revolutionary 1400 years ago. In spite of this founding spirit, Muslim practices today often oppress women and deny them the equality and human dignity granted in the Qur'an. The family should be the first essential area in which women's rights have to be secured.

The question that arises is that if Islam liberated women centuries ago, then why is it that maltreatment of wives is not a rare occurrence among Muslim people? Most likely, I suspect, it comes from misinterpretations of a Qur'anic verse and of some ahadith.

The institution of marriage
When Allah mentions marriage or the relationship between husband and wife in the Qur'an, He describes it as one of love, mercy, and harmony between two human beings who have entered into a mutual contract. For example, "And among His wonders is that; He created for you mates out of your own kind, so that you may incline toward them, and He engenders love and tenderness between you; in this, behold, there are messages indeed for people who think." (Q 20:21) And, "It is He who has created you out of one entity, so that one might incline (with love) towards the other." (Q 7:189)

Expression of love
According to the Qur'an, the relationship between husband and wife should be one of love, mercy and mutual understanding. Allah also commands men to treat their wives, "And consort with your wives in a goodly manner, for if you dislike something about them, it may be well that you dislike something which Allah might yet make a source of abundant good." (Q 4:19)

The Qur'an speaks of the intimate and close relationship of the two spouses in these words: "They are like garments unto you as you are like garments unto them" (Q 2:187). This verse; by using the simile of garments, has explained two basic facts. First, dress is considered to be one of the most fundamental needs of human beings in all stages of life. Second, dress covers the nakedness of human beings and hides those parts which are to be kept hidden. Every person has his weakness and frailty and does not want them to be disclosed to others.

The two sexes working together, not only cover each other's weakness and frailty, but also enhance each other's capabilities and help each other make up their deficiencies. Men are told to be generous and liberal in their treatment of women under all circumstances, especially when the relations between the two are not very amicable. Surah al-Baqarah refers to this in these words: "And do not forget liberality between yourselves" (Q 2:237). Even in divorce, men are enjoined to be just and fair (Ma'ruf) to their wives. We read these words also in Surah al-Baqarah: "When you divorce women, and they fulfill the term of their waiting ("iddah), either take them back honorably on equitable terms or set them free with kindness and goodness." (Q 2:229)

So, it is through the institution of marriage that true expression is given to what the Qur'an refers to as "love and mercy" (Q 30:21) between men and women; that men and women are like each other's garments (Q 2:187), that "be you male or female, you are members of one another" (Q 3:195), and that "men and women are protectors, one of another." (Q 9:71)

Clarifying the terms Darajah, Qawwamun, and Faddala

Darajah, (step, degree or level) is something that is earned; acquired with responsibility.

When a level is granted to male or female on the basis of their good deeds or piety, there is no discrimination. This is demonstrated by the following Qur'anic concepts: "Unto men a fortune from what they have earned and unto women a fortune from that which they have earned" (Q 4:32). "Whoever works righteously; man or woman, and has faith: verily to him/her will We give a new life, a life that is good and pure. And We will bestow on such their rewards, according to the best of their actions" (Q 4:124). So when it comes to who has greater advantage with Allah in terms of deeds, there is no level or degree given to the male or female over the other.

The darajah for men over women occurs in the Qur'anic verse thus, "…And (Walahunna) women shall have right similar to the rights against them according to what is equitable. But men have a degree (of advantage) over them. Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise." (Q 2:228)

This verse occurs among a series of verses referring to the required period of separation before claiming a divorce. The degree of advantage refers to man's being able to individually initiate divorce, whereas a woman can seek divorce only after intervention of an authority. So the advantage is limited to the circumstances of divorce only. Why this advantage? Most likely, because it is he who is duty- bound to support to the wife and unborn baby, and the previous verses are referring to the possibility that during separation the woman may be expecting, and if so, the man needs to give due consideration to taking her back because of his responsibility towards the unborn child. Hence, he has the responsibility/ decision about validating the divorce or taking his wife back. Yet, in Muslim cultures, an unrestricted value attaché to this concept of "advantage" and men generalize it to all aspects of life, claiming superiority over women.

This form of unrestricted value for all circumstances contradicts the equity established in the Qur'an, "that each 'nafs' (man or woman) is responsible for what it earns" (Q 4:32).

The Qu'ran has emphasized the female's rights (Q 2:228) with the words "wa lahunna" in order to neutralize the possible impression that could be created by the previous sentence of enhancing the position of men over women. Truly, it is the wondrous and miraculous expression of the Qur'an that enables it to maintain the delicacy of the problem and at the same time solve the most complicated issues in a very noble and subtle way.

Thus, in a superb manner, the Qur'an has untied the knot of this problem by saying that while men have a degree of darajat (advantage) in holding the key to divorce; in the enjoyment of human rights, both men and women stand equal.

Qawwamun does not convey the sense of governorship or rule over women, but rather signifies men's role as maintainers of women, because they support and meet their material needs from their wealth. The Shari'ah has entrusted the responsibility of women's material needs to men, who are held liable for meeting all the economic needs of the family, while women are held responsible for looking after the children, their nourishment, education, training, etc. this division of the work of the household between husband and wife is based on their respective natural abilities. Fulfilling these responsibilities are the primary duties, though not exclusive, yet allowing free and full participation in all social, political and ethical activities with due propriety.

Now the concept of "Fadl", the verse reads; "Men shall take full care of women with the bounties Allah has bestowed on them, and what they may spend out of their possession; as Allah has eschewed each with certain qualities in relation to the other. And the righteous women are the truly devout ones, who guard the intimacy which Allah has ordained to be guarded.

As for those women whose ill-will you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then distance yourself in bed, and then tap them; but if they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them. Surely, Allah is indeed the most High, the Greatest." (Q 4:34)

This verse is often quoted for justifying the ruthless dominance of patriarchal males demanding obedience from their wives- to the point of disciplining them through physical punishment!

But let us analyze it with Qur'anic wisdom. Firstly, the "fadl" or preference is related to responsibility, so there is reciprocity between this privilege and responsibility. The fact is that it is through Allah's benevolence that he gets this "fadl" should make a man God-conscious. So, if he is given this authority or preferential responsibility, it is accompanied by a heavy mandate and obligation. He cannot abuse the "fadl". The purpose of this "fadl" could be attributed to the fact that a family functions harmoniously when there is leadership and authority in it, manifested through fulfilling duty and mutual co-operation.

It is wrong to conclude from this that as men (or women) have some "advantage" in one respect, they are therefore superior to the other. The right attitude should be for each sex to think that it is deficient in certain aspects, which can only be complimented by the collaboration and co-operation of the other as essential for its perfection and healthy growth. In other words, it should never fancy such ideas as its own excellence, but should consider itself dependent upon the other for its own perfection. The Qur'an has beautifully described this relationship of the two sexes in these words: "And among His signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts). Surely in that are signs for those who reflect." (Q 31:21)

The issue of NUSHUZ
Verse 4:34 has commonly been used to Justify Wife beating. How can this can be explained?

NUSHUZ could be defined as animosity, hostility, rebellion, ill-treatment, discord, violation of marital duties on the part of either husband or wife. In this context, a wife's "ill-will" implies a deliberate, persistent breach of her marital obligations.
The verse of Surah Nisa' has attracted great attention from both within the Believing community and without: "As regards those women on whose part you fear defiance and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) separate in bed, (and last) tap them (if they still persist in their defiance); but if they cooperate and pay you heed, do not look for excuses to harm them. Note well that there is Allah above you all." (Q 4:34)

In the context of the above verse the most appropriate meaning for nushuz is marital discord (ill-will, animosity etc.) The process suggested is necessary, otherwise it is inviting the likelihood of divorce without any reconciliation procedure, and this will contravene the Qur'anic guidance. The separation could be temporary or permanent depending on the reconciliation procedure, and this fits in very well with the divorce procedure outlined in the Qur'an. Therefore the more accurate understanding of the above verse would be: (4:34) "…As for those women whose animosity or ill-will you have reason to fear, discuss the mater with them, then separate in bed, then tap; and if they pay you heed, do not seek a way against them."

The verse following the above verse gives further weight to the above translation. (4:35) "And if you fear a breach between them (the man and the wife), appoint an arbiter from his folk and an arbiter from her folk. If they desire amendment, Allah will make them one of mind. Lo! Allah is Ever Knower, Aware."

An added weight to the meaning outlined above is given by verse (4: 128), where in the case of man the same word, nushuz, is also used. Note too that as ill- treatment emanating here is from the husband, a process of reconciliation is encouraged!

"If a wife fears ill-treatment (nushuz) or desertion (i'raad) on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best…" (Q 4:128)

In the same surah, we read, "Whoever among you; men or women, are guilty of this crime (impropriety/ obscenity) , punish them both; then if they both repent and reform themselves, leave them alone, for Allah is Most Generous in accepting repentance, and Merciful in forgiving sins." (4:16)

As previously mentioned, women could only be taken to task when they were guilty of open obscenity. The verse (Q 4:16) clearly states that whoever commits open licentiousness, man or woman, must be punished. It may here be mentioned that this open obscenity or licentiousness (nushuz) means obscenity short of adultery and fornication.

If a wife fears that her husband is going to be excessive, there is the same process for the wife too. She can advise him first. Psychological pressure of withdrawing closeness and intimacy? But why is there no reference to physical pressure, like a symbolic slap or the like? The wife is not required to slap her husband, guarding against the possibility of physical retaliation and its dire consequences. But she has use of an injunction, which is better than that; to sit down with respected members of the community, (if need be with a judge), and draw up a contract with the man, which says: You have done this or that- if you do it again, these will be the consequences. In other words, she is getting the community behind her.

Three steps for regaining marital harmony or an amicable settlement
We note that in the event that there is disruption of marital harmony, the Qur'an suggests three steps for regaining harmony. In order of preference, they are:

(Step 1) Wa'z (admonition, consultation and discussion). This is the preferred method suggested for regaining marital harmony and is the same mechanism discussed in the Qur'an for the coordination of affairs between all groups of people. Consultation can be between the parties (as in 4:34) or between the two parties with the help of arbiters or hakim (4:35, 4:128). Wa'z or admonition implies advising and reminding one of the consequence of one's actions; this in a way that softens the heart of the listener (16:125) and making him/her incline favorably to your words.

(Step 2) Wahjur (to separate in bed; time and space boycott, at least one night). If consultation does not lead to marital harmony, the second suggestion is of time-out, a phrase to denote a separation in time and/or space between two people. This is a form of psychological pressure. Note that it is avoidance in the house or in front of the family, children and so forth.

The purpose of that act is to solve the problem well- known not to belittle the woman or uncover the secrets that are going on. However, it is a reaction to her act of nushuz and recalcitrance by avoiding her and turning away from her in hope that this will lead to reciprocity and togetherness. It can be for an intermediate cooling off period only, or could presumably continue indefinitely, which in the context of marriage could only mean divorce.

(Step 3) Daraba (a gentle strike or tap: an expression of physical pressure) If the first two methods are used in their preferred order to the fullest extent, the need for the third method of a strike would not be reached.

A famous Multi- meaning word "Daraba"
The problem of abuse comes from the word "Idribuhunne" which is usually translated as "beat them". The root of this word is "Daraba". If one consults an Arabic dictionary you would find a long list of meanings ascribed to this word!
The list is one of the longest lists in the whole Arabic dictionaries and has so many different meanings. In the Qur'an, depending on the context, one can ascribe different meanings to it, i.e:
To travel to get out: 3:156; 4:101; 38:44; 73:20; 1:273
To strike: 2:60; 7:160; 8:12; 20:77; 24:31; 26:63; 37:93; 47:04
To beat: 8:50; 47:27
To set up: 43:58; 57:13
To give (examples): 14:24-45; 16:75,76,112; 18:32,45; 24:35; 30:2858; 36:78; 39:27,29; 43:17; 59:21; 66:10-11
To take away, to ignore: 43:5
To condemn: 2:61
To seal, to draw over: 18:11
To cover: 24:31
To explain: 13:17

Thus, in the Qu'ran alone we witness the verb "Daraba" having at least ten different meanings. "Daraba" has also other meanings which are not mentioned in the Qur'an. For example in the Arabic language, you do not print money-- you "Daraba" money, you do not multiply numbers-- you "Daraba" numbers, you do not cease the work—you "Daraba" the work-

Webster's Dictionary gives fourteen meanings to the verb "strike": hit (against); ignite; (of snake)bite; (of plants) (cause to) take root; attack; hook (fish); sound (time) as bell in clock; affect; arrive at, come upon; enter mind of; discover (gold, oil etc.); dismantle; remove; make (coin); cease work as protest or to make demands. The same dictionary gives eight meanings to the verb "beat": strike repeatedly; overcome; surpass; stir vigorously with striking action; flag (wings); make, wear (path); throb; sail against wind.

When we encounter a multi-meaning word, we select the proper meaning according to the context, form and common sense.

Why the "Daraba"?
Why has the Qur'an included the method of a "strike"? The Qu'ran always emphasizes doing good and abstaining from evil. If the Qur'an is looked at as an integrated and cohesive text, situations can be identified where the Qur'an calls for the prohibition of certain things in stages. For example, whereas early revelations discourage the use of intoxicants (2:219, 4:43), the final revelation on this matter clearly condemns and prohibits them (5:93-94).

This is where there is a need to understand the historical context in which the Qur'an was revealed. It is known that in the pre-Islamic period known as the Age of Ignorance (Jahiliyyah) , there were gross practices of physical and emotional abuse of females such as female infanticide (killing of babies) and the custom of inheriting the wives of deceased relatives against the will of the women. Verse 4:34, which refers to a strike/tap, was revealed early in the Medinan period at a time when cruelty and violence against women were still rampant. Seen within this context the strike is a restriction on existing practice, and not a recommendation. As Muslim society in Madinah developed towards an ideal state, the final verse in the Qur'an on male – female relationship (9:71) regards women and men as being each other's protecting friends and guardians ('awliyya) which emphasizes their cooperation in living together as partners.

In addition, this spirit can be used in viewing the Hadith and classical commentaries by Muslim jurists on the strike or daraba. Ahadith on striking in such a way as not to cause pain (ghayr mubarrih) are reported by Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Daud, Nasa'ie and Ibn Majah. The authorities stress that if a strike is resorted to, it should be merely symbolic such as a strike with a toothbrush or folded handkerchief (Tabari and Razi). Imam Shaf'ie is of the opinion that striking should preferably be avoided completely.

It can thus be concluded that the call for the (single) strike is a restriction and not a recommendation; as when the first two steps are practiced effectively, there is no need for a third step.

Obedience misconstrued
The Qur'an does not order women to slavishly obey their husbands. It says good women are qanitat (have qunut). Qunut is used for both women and men (3:17, 33:35) and non- humans (39:9, 2:117). Qunut does not refer to the obedience of a wife to a husband or of any human to another. It refers to the spirit of humility before Allah. When the verse goes on to say "if they obey you," the Qur'an uses the term ta'a, which means for one human to follow the orders of another, referring not just to women obeying men, but men following orders as well (4:59). Ta'a is not used here in the command form for women, rather the Qur'an places a firm admonishment on the men: "If they (female) pay you heed (male)" the males commanded "not to seek a way against (the women)". "If they obey you" does not mean that women have an obligation to slavishly obey men. Nor does it mean that if a woman disobeys, a husband can beat her. The focus is on the responsibility of men to
treat women fairly, especially when women follow their suggestions.

Most of the women beaten nowadays are not beaten because the first two conditions have been met with, but are in fact beaten because of the husband's anger over some petty issue. Such behavior is not that of a sincere Muslim and obviously has no sanction in the Qur'an whatsoever.

It is evident from many authentic traditions that the Prophet himself intensely detested the idea of beating one's wife, and said on more than one occasion, "Could anyone of you beat his wife as if she is a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?" (Bukhari and Muslim). According to another tradition, he forbade the beating of any woman with the words, "Never beat God's handmaidens" (Abu Daud, Ibn Majah, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Hibban, on the authority of 'Abd Allah Ibn Abbas; and Bayhaqi on the authority of Umm Kulthum).

Next to piety, the believer finds nothing better for him than a virtuous wife. If he bids her good, she obeys. If he looks at her she gives him pleasure. If she gives him a promise, she fulfills it. If he is absent from her, she guards herself and his property (Ibn Majah).

This hadith states that the wife should obey her husband, but to what extent? Obviously, she cannot disobey her husband in anything that is haram. Not only that, but the obedience of the wife is in those duties listed above, viz. …with regard to cohabitation, domestic matters, guarding his property, and not allowing others to violate her/his dignity or their belongings.

In summary, there is the following hadith from the Prophet on the rights of a wife. A person asked the Messenger of Allah, "What right does the wife of one among us have over him?" His answer was, "It is that you shall give her food, you shall not slap her on the face, nor revile her, nor leave her alone except within the house" (Ahmad, Abu Da'ud, Ibn Majah). This implies provision, residence, respect and security.

Appreciation
Some husbands get upset when their wives refuse to do this or that around the house. This has subjected many wives to physical mistreatment. But the following incident clearly shows that it is not the duty of the wife to tend after the house, and therefore, it can in no way justify any sort of retort on the part of the husband. In fact, the following quote would make it seem that many women nowadays should be the one's complaining as they are forced to do work that they are not truly totally responsible for:

It is reported that a man once came to 'Umar, the second Caliph, with the intention of bringing to his notice certain complaints he had against his wife. When he reached the door of 'Umar's house, he heard the Caliph's wife railing against him. Hearing this he went back as he though that the Caliph himself was in the same predicament and could therefore hardly be expected to set matters right for him. 'Umar coming out of his house, saw the person going back. So he called him back and inquired as to the purpose, which had brought him to his house. He said that he had come to him with some complaints against his wife, but turned back on finding that the Caliph himself was subject to the same treatment from his wife. 'Umar said to him that he patiently bore the excess of his wife because she had certain rights over him. "Is it not true that she cooks my food, washes my clothes and suckles my children, thus relieving me of the necessity of employing a cook, a
washerman and a nurse, although she is not in the slightest degree responsible for this? Not only that, I enjoy peace of mind on account of her and I am protected from committing the sin of adultery. In view of these advantages, I put up with her excesses. You should also do the same.

Having clarified some of the misconceptions, countered some distortions, we acknowledge, of course, that not all men or women are following the teachings of the Qur'an in their relationships. Rather than looking at the verse holistically, they only focus on it with a bias to their advantage and abuse it. Men exploit and women rebel. Where men have done so, and women have remained ignorant, injustices have taken place even to the point of physical abuse. Some women, in their ignorance on the issue, have taken this as their Islamic plight. So, for their own benefit, women need to acquire knowledge from the Qur'an, become more aware, rally around it and assert themselves for fairness and justice.
Men should also understand the Qur'an with a fair and just mind without cultural filters and communicate with each other about it so that they can strive together for betterment in their spiritual path.

Prophetic Example
The Hadith, which we must realize is a record of the sayings and doings of the Prophet (pbuh), and the second source of Muslim law and practice, records the Prophet (pbuh) as saying: "The best of you is he who is best to his wife." Aishah (RA) narrates that the holy Prophet never hit a servant or a woman.
The demeanor of the Messenger (pbuh) toward women, his attitude toward conflict resolution among couples, his exemplary treatment of his wives, his practice of gender-neutral consultation, his abhorrence of violence towards women, his love for all and his persistent efforts to alleviate the human condition; all bring us to the conclusion that he wanted to usher in freedom, dignity and equality; making everyone conscious of only one God-the God of all human beings, not a chauvinistic God.

The Qur'an does not discriminate between the two sexes in any way that undermines their full worth as equal human beings, nor does it give either of them; men or women, priority or superiority over the other in any manner whatsoever, neither does in endorse spouse abuse nor does it encourage spouse battering. Just as men have rights over women, likewise women have rights over men. Just as women have certain duties and obligations, likewise men have certain duties and obligations.

Research has shown that oppressive interpretations of the Qur'an are influenced mostly by cultural practices and values which regard women as inferior and subordinate to men. It is not Islam that oppress women, but human beings that have failed to understand Allah's directives.

The honor or superiority of any person cannot be established on the basis of color, race, nationality, gender or family. It must be judged on the basis of his or her piety, conduct and excellence of character, which must be good and virtuous in word and deed. The more a person is good and virtuous in word and action, the greater is his/her excellence; "Surely, the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the pious, the most righteous" (49:13).

This excerpt was taken from Dimensions of the Qur'an, Volume 1; by Sa'dullah Khan. Sheikh Sa'dullah Khan is currently the Director of the Islamic Center of Irvine.


salaam,

Mayam
Tunisia
 

Lauren Leyla

New Member
Brother Abdur Rahim Green's talk on Women in Islam

Asalamo Aleikum Brothers & Sisters,

Thank you for the arcticle. I fould a wonderful video of a speech by brother Abdur Rahim Green on youtube on just this subject. Anyone interest should really check it out. Also another by an australian sheikh really both help to clarify womens roles in islam and the wife/beating misconception. Nothing mor than a pat on the hand, after several warnings and discussions is allowed. Never to leave a visible mark or ahurtful word. Also the "beating" is to be only in respose to cases in which the wife is not adhering to commandments of allah, not just because she made dinner late. I hope you alll find and enjoy the videos as much as I did. Very helpful.

Salam,
Sister Lauren Leyla
 

amirah80

*Fear Allah*
:salam2:

Salam Alaikum Brothers/Sisters

Thank you all for your responses on the subject:)

Maryam & Lauren:hearts:

Maryam Thank you for providing the information. Islam shows to love and honour the wife to extents we would not believe. But everything has discipline and boundaries.

Lauren thank you for your comment as well. You are exactly right late dinner and the husband results to that is extreme but if he followed the previous commands of Allah if he is upset he still would not have gotten to that point yet because it is a procedure. But no one needs to be extreme. Extremism is not loved by Allah. (By taking little things overboard. You know you forgot to lock the door, etc...)

I believe some people misintrepret the meaning and thats were it gets out of hand with some husbands. This article is to clarify what is acceptable in Islam and the boundaries without exceeding the limitations. I hate to see some say they would get a divorce over this. Why question is why? Obviously they still have the misconception of hitting, beating or tapping used in the verse. It has been clearly explained with wonderful explanations from this thread. I wish everyone would really think about it. No one is implying your husband ball his fist up and knock you to the ground. :girl3: What it did imply is light tapping such as a siwak, etc... Please tell me how hard can you be hit with a piece or siwak?:hijabi: If you know what siwak is the answer is not hard at all. How hard can you be hit with a piece of cloth? Not hard cloth is light in weight. I know my husband and myself play and we probably play rougher than how the light tapping should be used in that verse. :hijabi:If your husband beats you (punching,etc..):girl3:you have another issue that goes against Islam and you should seek help :astag: if the brothers go to extermism. But I would hate to see a divorce for getting hit with a piece of siwak which is lighter than a book falling on your hand. Again if you are in a domestic violence situation than get yourself away, inshallah:tti_sister:

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Salam Amirah80
 

BigAk

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Your not to beat them to cause harm and the text explains the concept. Now let me ask you something we are known Allah love patience, right? Now with that said when someone goes to extreme in misconduct they are disciplined, yeah? Let me ask something else people have children and love them, yes? People discipline there children by spanking them, yes. I do and I love my children more than anything. But, to abuse them is another story, right? When you love someone you want them to conduct theirselves accordingly if you do not care for that person you will left them act like a fool. Allah loves us but he will give us a punishment not because he doesnt love us but there are consequences for our actions.

Salam Amirah80

Excellent analogy and answer... I love my little boy to death and I'm ready to die for him.... But, he suely is subject to disipline when he misbehaves... :D
 

muminah92

Junior Member
asalam w3likum brothers and sisters
what if the wife has so much patients but he is always getting mad at nonsence things and tells his wife he doesn't wanna see her again to go to her family or something like that. W hat do u think she should do????
plz reply
peace
 

amirah80

*Fear Allah*
asalam w3likum brothers and sisters
what if the wife has so much patients but he is always getting mad at nonsence things and tells his wife he doesn't wanna see her again to go to her family or something like that. W hat do u think she should do????
plz reply
peace

Salam Sister,

May I ask what do you mean does not want to see her again? Divorce or out of anger for the moment states he does not want to see her again?

Salam Amirah80
 

amirah80

*Fear Allah*
Excellent analogy and answer... I love my little boy to death and I'm ready to die for him.... But, he suely is subject to disipline when he misbehaves... :D

Barak Allah fik.

I just want to correct myself you bolded apart of my post. It said I love them more than anything. When I say anything I mean after Allah subhanallahu wa Ta'ala. I just wanted to clarify in case anyone got confused.

Salam Amirah80
 

muminah92

Junior Member
salam
i mean everytime he is angry or anything he would always say it out of anger and she would always have patients for him.
peace
 

amirah80

*Fear Allah*
salam
i mean everytime he is angry or anything he would always say it out of anger and she would always have patients for him.
peace

Salam Sister

The sister should keep having patience when someone is angry sometimes you have to distance yourself to allow time to clam down. He may suggest she goes to her mothers to just give him time to clear his head and not take it to a level of divorce. She needs to make Du'aa for him and inshallah he will get better. Alhumdulilah see stays patient that is very difficult to do but we must because Allah loves patient. Also, she must remember the Shaytan works really hard to break up marriages. There is a story where the Shaytan asked the jinn what did they do today. One jinn said such and such. Then another jinn said I broke up a married couple. The Shaytan pulled him close to him and said you are the best of all the jinn. This is a general capp of the story. Inshallah some one can post the exact story for you. So she should continue to remain patient because you did not say he divorced her. Inshallah it gets better. Also she needs to remember there is power in the Du'aa.

This thread is going off topic so if you want too feel free to pm me or start a thread:)

Salam Amirah80:hearts:
 

muminah92

Junior Member
salam sister Amirah80
thanks alot that was very helpful sorry for getting off topic but it was really important
peace
 

BigAk

Junior Member
Barak Allah fik.

I just want to correct myself you bolded apart of my post. It said I love them more than anything. When I say anything I mean after Allah subhanallahu wa Ta'ala. I just wanted to clarify in case anyone got confused.

Salam Amirah80

No need for correction sister... That didn't even cross my mind.. It's a given as far as I'm concerned.. But, point taken.. :D
 

sandra canada

Laa ilaha illa Allah
Amiraaaaaaaaaaaaah sister jazaki Allah fardoos MASHA Allah Excellent post
:hijabi::tti_sister: May Allah reward you for your Efforts:SMILY252::SMILY252::SMILY252::SMILY252::SMILY252::SMILY252:

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Wife beating is not allowed in Islam in any case!

The sections of this article are:

1- Wife beating is not allowed in Islam!
2- Noble Verses and Sayings that support the prohibition of any type of wife beating.
3- The Prophet forbade striking on the face.
4- What about the saying about striking the wife lightly on her hand with a siwak? This saying doesn't belong to Prophet Muhammad.
5- More proofs about the translation of Noble Verse 4:34.
6- Conclusion.









1- Wife beating is not allowed in Islam!

Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. There is however a questionable condition where Allah Almighty seems to allow the husband to beat his wife, and that is after he gives her two warnings to stop showing ill-conduct and disloyalty.

Before we start, I'd like to first say that because Arabic is a complex language, and because Allah Almighty purposely and carefully chose certain words to be placed in certain Noble Verses, I strongly believe that Allah Almighty allowed for the interpretation of NOT beating wives to be valid. In other words, a Muslim man would not be going against Allah Almighty's Divine Will if he doesn't beat his wife, and instead, deserts her by leaving the house and living for instance with his parents for a period of time until the disobedient wife comes back to her senses, which would be as equivalent as the first interpretation, since the end result is the same, which is to discipline the bad wife and to get her back on the Right Path of what makes GOD Almighty satisfied with her.

Let us look at Noble Verses 4:34-36 "(34). Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

(35). If ye fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation: For Allah hath full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things.

(36). Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;"

The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The thing with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.

Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".

Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty:

"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)"

So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example.

Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point.

I am sure there are more Noble Verses that used words derived from "daraba" in the Noble Quran, but these are the only ones I know of so far. In the case of Noble Verse 4:34 where Allah Almighty seems to allow men to hit their wives after the two warnings for ill-conduct and disloyalty, it could very well be that Allah Almighty meant to command the Muslims to "leave" the home all together and desert their wives for a long time in a hope that the wives would then come back to their senses and repent.





2- Noble Verses and Sayings that support the prohibition of any type of wife beating:

The following Noble Verses and Sayings from the Noble Quran and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him respectively seem to very well support the above interpretation:

"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"

"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"

Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"

Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"

"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran 30:21)"

"Women impure for men impure. And women of purity for men of purity. These are not affected by what people say. For them is forgiveness and an honorable provision. (The Noble Quran 24:26)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "A man said to the Prophet , 'Advise me! 'The Prophet said, 'Do not become angry and furious.' The man asked (the same) again and again, and the Prophet said in each case, 'Do not become angry and furious.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al-Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 137)"

Abu Huraira reported: "I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: One is not strong because of one's wrestling skillfully. They said: Allah's Messenger, then who is strong? He said: He who controls his anger when he is in a fit of rage. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Virtue, Good Manners and Joining of the Ties of Relationship (Kitab Al-Birr was-Salat-I-wa'l-Adab), Book 032, Number 6314)"

Allah Almighty loves those who restrain anger: "Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good. (The Noble Quran, 3:134)"





3- The Prophet forbade striking on the face:

Let us look at the following narrations about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:

Narrated Salim: "....Umar said: 'The Prophet forbade beating on the face.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Hunting, Slaughtering, Volume 7, Book 67, Number 449)"

Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you inflicts a beating, he should avoid striking the face. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Prescribed Punishments (Kitab Al-Hudud), Number 4478)"

These narrations do not prove the interpretation that wife beating being ok as long as it is not done on the face, because the narrations are general and do not mention any wives. The striking could be done on our children when we discipline them. In this case, the above two narrations would fit perfectly with the situation, because while we can still physically discipline our children, we are not allowed to hit them on the face.





4- What about the saying about striking the wife lightly on her hand with a siwak?

There is not a single Saying or Noble Verse from Prophet Muhammad or the Noble Quran respectively that mentions any such beating.

A siwak is a small piece of wood that is approximately twice as long as an index finger and as thick as a thumb, which was used 1400 years ago to brush the teeth and the bad breath.

This saying actually belongs to Imam Shafie, and not to Prophet Muhammad. Imam Shafie or Minister Shafie is a popular Muslim scholar that came 100s of years after Prophet Muhammad. I used to have the reference information to his saying about this subject, but unfortunately I lost it. When I find it insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty wills it) I will post it.





5- More proofs about the translation of Noble Verse 4:34:

The following is an email that sent to me by brother A. Tilling; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subj: Another Reply to Mr O Abdallah
Date: 3/28/02 3:16:15 AM Central Standard Time

Peace,

I have visited the link and it was what I expected. But the question I am asking is a linguistic one, not one based on interpretations and jurisprudence. Here again is the extract I provided:

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(4:34) [...]as for those women on whose part ye fear rebellion (nushuz), admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat (adriboo) them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them.

Note from me Osama Abdallah: Actually the Arabic word is not "adriboo" which is a plural for beating men. It is "idribuhunna" which is a plural for beating women. But the two Arabic words mean the same thing, which is "beating".

Continuing with brother A. Tilling email....

The key to the problem is the mistranslation of the two key words nushuz and adriboo. Some of the possible meanings for both the words, according to the lexicon,3 are given below. Again, the appropriate meaning will depend on the context of the verse.

Nushuz: Animosity, hostility, rebellion, ill-treatment, discord; violation of marital duties on the part of either husband or wife.

Adriboo (root: daraba): to beat, to strike, to hit, to separate, to part.

In the context of the above verse the most appropriate meaning for nushuz is 'marital discord' (ill-will, animosity etc), and for adriboo is 'to separate' or 'to part'. Otherwise, it is inviting the likelihood of a divorce without any reconciliation procedure. Such a step would blatantly contravene the Qur'anic guidance shown in verse 4:35 below. Therefore, a more accurate and consistent translation of the above verse would be:

(4:34) [...]as for those women whose animosity or ill-will you have reason to fear, then leave them alone in bed, and then separate; and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek a way against them.

The separation could be temporary or permanent depending on the reconciliation procedure. Such as construction is legitimate within the terms of the language and fits in very well with the divorce procedure outlined in the Qur'an (see 8.5).

The verse following the above verse gives further weight to the above translation.

(4:35) And if ye fear a breach between them twain (the man and the wife), appoint an arbiter from his folk and an arbiter from her folk. If they desire amendment Allah will make them of one mind. Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Aware.

Added weight to the meanings outlined above is given by verse 4:128 quoted below. Here, in the case of a man, the same word nushuz is used, but it is rendered as 'ill-treatment' as against 'rebellion' in the case of a woman as shown earlier in the traditional translation of verse 4:34. One find oneself asking whether since the ill-treatment is on the part of the husband, a process of reconciliation is here to be encouraged!

(4:128) If a wife fears ill-treatment (nushuz) or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best[...]

This, obviously, is a double standard and the only way to reconcile the meanings of the two verses, in the contexts they are being used, is to accept the meaning of adriboo as: 'to separate' or to 'part'. In this connection I would like to refer the reader to an excellent article by Rachael Tibbet from which I quote:

(a) Qur'anic commentators and translators experience problems with the term Adribu in the Qur'an not just in this verse but in others, as it is used in different contexts in ways which appear ambiguous and open to widely different translations into English. 'Daraba' can be translated in more than a hundred different ways.

(b) The translation of adribu as 'to strike' in this particular verse (4:34) is founded upon nothing more than:

(i) The authority of hadiths (Abu Daud 2141 and Mishkat Al-Masabih 0276) that this is what Adribu means in this context.

(ii) The prejudices and environment of the early commentators of the Qur'an which led them to assume that 'to strike', given the overall context of the verse, was the most likely interpretation of the many possible interpretations of adribu.
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Thanks
A Tilling





6- Conclusion:

According to the Noble Quran and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him above, wife beating in Islam is definetly prohibited, possibly even in the case where the wife fails after she was warned twice for her ill-conduct and disloyalty.

It is definetly a valid interpretation for Noble Verse 4:34 that Allah Almighty commanded the Muslim men to desert and leave their wives, and not to physically beat them as many scholars believe.

I personally favor this non-violent interpretation, because (1) It is very well supported in Islam as clearly and unquestionably shown above; and (2) It makes more sense and seems more practical in dealing with the bad wife who insists on showing ill-conduct and disloyalty toward her husband and family.

And Allah Almighty knows best, and may He forgive me if I made any mistake here
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