justoneofmillion
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:salam2:Well since this is the only point you're clinging onto.. you implying that a Muslim ruler after the prophet S.A.W.is entitled to receive wahy and thus his judgment is infallible!If you take verses out of context you can make the Quraan say whatever you want it to say.However you are proving exactly our point here!what does Allah say about following the majority?
"And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allah's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie."
- Surah Al-An'am [6:116]
The prophet s.a.w was receiving revelation (wahy)! He didn't speak out of his own wish and desire.Thus where the Quraan is clear on the commands of a certain situation nobody can oppose it be it the Sahaaba or the prophet himself or anybody else and even less the khalifa.When it was a clear cut.
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) used to listen to his Companions and accept their opinion if it was proved sounder. In Battle of Badr, the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions were deployed in the nearest place to Badr's wells. But Companion Hubab ibn al-Mundhir (may Allah be pleased with him) was not satisfied with this. With great politeness he said to the leader of Muslims and their Imam (peace be upon him): "O Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him),
"Has Allah inspired you to choose this very spot or is it stratagem of war and the product of consultation?" The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: "It is stratagem of war and consultation." Al-Hubab said: "This place is no good; let us go and encamp on the nearest water well and make a basin or reservoir full of water, then destroy all the other wells so that they will be deprived of the water." The Prophet (peace be upon him) approved of his plan and agreed to carry it out.[3]
[3] Ibn Hisham: al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah (Biography of the Prophet), 1/620; Ibn Kathir: al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah (Biography of the Prophet), 2/402; al-Suhayli: al-Rawd al-Anif, 3/62; and al-Tabary: Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Muluk (History of Nations and Kings), 2-29
This proves clearly that nobody is above the law!And that the law of Allah swt is the rule,thus when there is room for consultation various approaches can be taken.Furthermore With an expanding territory and the growth of population, there is an imperative need for the separation of powers administrate the whole and make sure the Rule of Law prevails between the executive,The legislature and the judiciary(Umar RA as quoted in my other post was a pioneer in this process)!Unless a naive mind would expect among other the Governor of each province to take care of every case of Justice for example!Majilis As Shura increased in numbers through time the more the Islamic territory expanded.(If this is not a model of representative government for the people and by the people I don't know what is).There was such a dynamic of thought of constructive critic and debate in the Khilafa time subhnallah:
The righteous Tabi`y (Follower, one of the generation after the Companions of the Prophet) Abu Muslim al-Khawlany (may Allah be pleased with him), who used not to fear anything or anyone but Allah, stood up and addressed the caliph of Muslims and the greatest leader in the world while he was on the pulpit and said to him: "O Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him), you are but one of the graves. If you bring something you will have something; otherwise you will have nothing. O Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him), do not consider that the caliphate is to collect funds and distribute them. But caliphate is to say right, act with justice and take people to the Path of Allah. O Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him), we do not care how turbid are the rivers if our sight is purified. Do not incline to a certain tribe, so your injustice will overpower your justice." Then he sat down. Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "May Allah bless you, Abu Muslim (may Allah be pleased with him)."Al-Tabary: Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Muluk (History of Nations and Kings), 5/297.
Fact check During the rule of Imam Ali (ra), a Jew stole a shield from the Khalifa. Ali (ra) took the matter to court and brought his son as a witness. The judge ruled against Khalifa and stated that a son cannot be a witness for a father in court. When the Jew witnessed such fairness, he voluntarily confessed that he stole the shield and embraced Islam.
Allah swt is the legislator not the Dictator and not the king and not the khalifa.The Jurists (Maglis as Shura)legislate further (Tashrri)on a practical level using the various sources QUraan and sunnah,Ijmaa and Quiyas.I would remind you that a dictator or a monarch is usually someone that legislates himself being the sol sovereign !Like Pharao said "am your lord most high"!and there is no one to bring him into account(This is a Taghut!A Khalifa according to a lot of scholars can be even be impeached if he doesn't rule justly and obeys the divine law).If you serve Allah swt by serving the people it doesn't mean that you are worshiping them as Gods!
Furthermore the khalifa's rule responding to a certain historical context is temporal he will die someday!So unless Islamic history becomes another source of legislation the models of governance will remain a historical tool to respond to the requirements of their time.
Imam al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
No view is binding unless it is based on the Book of Allaah or the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Everything other than them should be based on them
And for this you did not show a single verse!
AS Shura which existed before The revelation of the Quraan Al Karim was practiced before Islam in Arabia between the tribes and if Allah swt deemed it as a praiseworthy necessity who are you or I to disqualify something just because it was historically known to be practiced by the Kuffar and call it imitation..
Like Abu bakr As Saddiqq R.A after the death of the prophet said"Let those who worshiped Muhammad(S.A.W) know that Muhammad (S.A.W)has dies but for he who worshipped Allah SWT let him know that Allah swt will never die"
On Another note!I don't have the time now to go through the whole thread and I don't even wanna do it as the prophet said:
"...Whoever conceals (a fault) of a Muslim, Allah will conceal him on the Day of Judgement..."
Collected by Muslim, 2699
Arguing just for the sake of argument is a very unproductive exercise,and this is exactly what Muslimboy did which is a proof that he exist only in opposition and confrontation.I would remind him that a Muslim with a strong faith exist regardless of the convergence or divergence of ideas.
He recognizes good from wherever it might come from.
I would invite him also to read what he posted again ,he will realize that his suicidal attempt to find faults in the principles and call us names using slogans and implicit citations out of context is so self contradicting with a lot of his quotes that it calls to pity.There is a serious danger sometimes when we alienate ourselves from our own principles because we think they belong to the other and thus we see ourselves through the eyes of the other an ironic image of that in world affairs today is that the Kuffar and certain Muslims seem to agree on the fact that the Muslim majority countries are better to be governed by dictatorships than by representative governments,and thus they promote the statusquo "by any means necessary".Am not saying this to attack my brother but just as a constructive critic to come to a better understanding Inshallah.