I'm disillusioned

Al-Indunisiy

Junior Member
:salam2:

To be honest, I'm actually a pessimistic Muslim these past years. I have been disillusioned from the statement that 'Islam is peace', 'Terrorism is not from Islam, etc. But still consider myself as practicing Muslim.

I had been exposed to ahadith and historical accounts such as these:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." -Bukhari Vol 4, Bk 52, No 220

"Allah said, 'No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, 'I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'" "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'" -Ishaq 326-327

"Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle's squadron, fully armed, powerful and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust." Ishaq 517

The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their men killed, their women and children taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives. She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet -Bukhari Vol 5, Bk 59, No 512

"After the Messenger had finished with the Khaybar Jews, Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews in Fadak when they received news of what Allah had brought upon Khaybar. Fadak became the exclusive property of Allah's Messenger." -Tabari 8:129

These among others like Jizyah, apostacy, homosexuality issues etc., led me away to think in a positive manner about Islam. I've stopped trying to reconcile these with my reasoning. The only way I can resolve them is by ignoring them altogeether throughout the day/week/month. (Though, in a positive light, I'm successful at reconciling Islam with science- i.e. by splitting my worldview.)

So, it is likely that I'll spend the rest of my life (though in occasional cordial dissatisfaction) as a Muslim because of my fear of Hell.

:wasalam:
 

IHearIslam

make dua 4 ma finals
:bismillah:

assalaamu alaikum brother,

I am not very knowledgable in these issues...but I wanted to tell you just one thing that I tell everyone who starts to practice Islam.

most born Muslims today are lacking the *proper* knowledge of this beautiful deen of ours. Many look at things out of context and then start to hate Islam and whatnot.....some of us as you said are not satisfied with Islam (inside) but out of fear of hell, or the judgment of people they still do the basic religous things (e.g. pray, fast,..etc). With that said, I wish to tell you that the only thing that can free your heart and put it at rest is *KNOWLEDGE*
So, now I want to get to my point insha'Allaah....there are five categories of knowing the authenticity of Hadiths::

1. Authentic
2. sound
3. weak
4. very weak
5. fabricated

now unless you know the difference between those, you'll believe in EVERY single quoted hadith thats out there!! believe me, and there are many that are fabricated !!One thing I have noticed is that NONE of the hadiths you quoted are refrenced as to wether they're (authentic, weak...and so on).

now, how can one believe in them when we have no idea if they are authentic or not??

I just want to give you something to think about insha'Allaah.

Also Islam is a religion made easy.....all we as Muslims have to do is seek knowledge and insha'Allaah there is an answer for EVERY single thing. Just look for them in the right places and you'll sure find them.

I ask Allaah to increase us all in knowledge and in taqwa. ameen

My brothers and sisters who know more about ahadiths can insha'Allaah tell us if these are authentic or not.

May Allaah's blessing be with you always,

Edit:: There are two ahadiths mentioned up there that are said to be from Bukhari.....those are authentic, but the rest I do not know.
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
Our brother, Al-Indunisiy, was quoting excerpts form a biography written by a historian who was born over 100 years after the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, died. It has nothing to do with Islam.

Imam Bukhari was born about 200 years after the Prophet :saw: died...

Assalam alaikum.
 

samiha

---------
Staff member
:salam2:

I just read through this, and I was thinking of coming back to it later if I was able but I just wanted to comment on this bit:

So, it is likely that I'll spend the rest of my life (though in occasional cordial dissatisfaction) as a Muslim because of my fear of Hell.

This attitude is not a good one... it is so very defeatist. You've already resigned yourself to this, but that's what you shouldn't do. Each of us must understand the limitations of our knowledge, and think if we don't know something perhaps it is due to our lack of understanding... and then strive to try to overcome it.

But to say you're only Muslim because you're afraid of Hell? That's only the beginning, don't take it to mean the end. That's not real Imaan, and even if you fear Hell, you wont feel the opposite, the sweetness of Islaam and Imaan until you decide you want to step up from there.

I wouldn't say start with all these things first, this is history! It's the very branches of a tree, but to understand Islaam you have to go through Tawheed, through Aqeedah and contineously strengthen them, then move forward inshaAllaah.

That's all I can say at this point, please forgive me if I've caused any offense. Our Imaan is just so dear to all of us, and I pray Allaah increase both you and ALL of us in it. Ameen

wasalaam
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

Let me try to explain your doubts on a different plane. In the process of life we encounter periods where things do not make sense. We have, and I am borrowing heavily from others, spells in our lives wherein the well is dry. We try to practice our faith and we do all that is necessary, the net result is total emptiness. We search for meaning and everything around us is dead.

This is very normal. We have to have periods of uncertainty and doubt. We are humans. And out of nowhere we have periods when we feel the verdant nature of blessings.

This is a period of spiritual growth. Did not our Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, take time to contemplate and reflect upon his faith.

The issues you mention are individual decisions. A person chooses to be homosexual. That is not going to rub off on you. Just as the color of a person's skin is not going to rub off on you.

We can not judge others. If they choose not to practice or walk away from the faith..it is the choice they make. It does not have anything to do with us.

In a sense when we become aware that the duyna will always be the duyna and leave the Judgment to Allah and work on ourselves it makes mores sense.

I am trying to describe a delicate balance in practicing our faith. I am speaking of a jihad.

It took me a long time to understand the World belongs to Allah, He will Decide, as for me..I have to hold on to His Rope and do His bidding. I can not change the world. I can co-exist in the world as a Muslim.

I pray this makes sense. Sometimes in life we have to live and not worry.
 

salahdin

Junior Member
Dear bro First and foremost what did the prophet may peace and blessing be upon him said
"Acquire knowledge, it enables its professor to distinguish right from wrong; it lights the way to heaven. It is our friend in the desert, our company in solitude and companion when friendless. It guides us to happiness, it sustains us in misery, it is an ornament amongst friends and an armour against enemies." (widely attributed to the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) .

This is my point unlike the jews and the Christians who hide things , we muslim dont . we dont follow our desires if we did that, this event you are talking about ( Khaybar) should not have been published . We muslims dont pick and choose we Take Islam as a whole package leaving nothing behind. ISLAM is PEACE but when you have people( jews of medina) who dont want to live peacefully but only to kindel the flames of hatred toward our be loved prophet may peace and blessing be upon him and going further more wanting to kill him . Then the only solution that is left is to expell them in order to achieve peace and when they continue with hatred the the only option that is left is wage war so that THE LIGHT OF ALLAH CANT BE PUT OFF . So bro read the whole event as to why it happened. And you will get a clear picture. And one more thing shaytan will cast doubt in your heart , you can either agreed with him or wage war with him Its your call

Look at the jews how they treat palestinians and tell me if your in there place what would you do Stand a side and look or turn the other cheek? No wonder they are mentioned in the holy QURAN , together with Pharaoh, A'ad,and Thamud

The Evil of the Jews







Abi Najih reported from Mujahid,


[أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ نُهُواْ عَنِ النَّجْوَى ثُمَّ يَعُودُونَ لِمَا نُهُواْ عَنْهُ]​
(Have you not seen those who were forbidden to hold secret counsels, and afterwards returned to that which they had been forbidden,) He said, "The Jews.'' Similar was said by Muqatil bin Hayyan, who added, "The Prophet had a peace treaty with the Jews. When one of the Prophet's Companions would pass by a gathering of Jews, they would speak among themselves in secret, prompting the believer to think that they were plotting to kill or harm him. When the believer saw this, he feared for his safety and changed the route he was taking. The Prophet advised them to abandon their evil secret talks, but they did not listen and kept on holding the Najwa. Allah the Exalted sent down this Ayah in their case,


[أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ نُهُواْ عَنِ النَّجْوَى ثُمَّ يَعُودُونَ لِمَا نُهُواْ عَنْهُ]​

(Have you not seen those who were forbidden to hold secret counsels, and afterwards returned to that which they had been forbidden).'' Allah's statement,


[وَيَتَنَـجَوْنَ بِالإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ وَمَعْصِيَتِ الرَّسُولِ]​

(and conspired together for sin and wrongdoing and disobedience to the Messenger.) means, they used to talk to each other,


[بِالإِثْمِ]​
(for sin) which involves themselves,


[وَالْعُدْوَنِ]​

(and wrongdoing) which effects others. They speak about disobedience and defying of the Messenger , with persistence and recommending each other to follow their way,


[وَإِذَا جَآءُوكَ حَيَّوْكَ بِمَا لَمْ يُحَيِّكَ بِهِ اللَّهُ]​
(And when they come to you, they greet you with a greeting wherewith Allah greets you not,) Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that `A'ishah said, "Some Jews came to the Prophet and greeted him by saying, `As-Sam `Alayka, O Abul-Qasim.' So I said to them, `wa `Alaykum As-Sam (the same death be upon you).' The Prophet said,


«يَا عَائِشَةُ إِنَّ اللهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْفُحْشَ وَلَا التَّفَحُّش»​

(O `A'ishah, Allah does not like rudeness and foul speech.) I said, `Didn't you hear them say, `As-Sam Alayka' He said,


«أَوَ مَا سَمِعْتِ أَقُولُ: وَعَلَيْكُم»​

(Didn't you hear me answering them back by saying, `Wa `Alaykum (And the same upon you)') Allah the Exalted then sent down this Ayah,


[وَإِذَا جَآءُوكَ حَيَّوْكَ بِمَا لَمْ يُحَيِّكَ بِهِ اللَّهُ]​
(And when they come to you, they greet you with a greeting wherewith Allah greets you not,)'' The narration collected in the Sahih states that `A'ishah said, "And be upon you the death, disgrace and curse.'' The Messenger of Allah said to her,


«إِنَّهُ يُسْتَجَابُ لَنَا فِيهِمْ، وَلَا يُسْتَجَابُ لَهُمْ فِينَا»​
(Allah accepts our supplication against them, but not theirs against us.) Ibn Jarir recorded that Anas bin Malik said, "A Jew passed by Allah's Messenger , who was sitting with his Companions, he greeted them and they greeted him back. Allah's Messenger then said to his Companions,


«هَلْ تَدْرُونَ مَا قَالَ؟»​

(Do you know what he just said) They said, `He said: As-Salam, O Allah's Messenger.' The Prophet said,


«بَلْ قَالَ: سَامٌ عَلَيْكُم»​
(Rather he said, Sam `Alaykum.) meaning, `may you disgrace your religion.' Allah's Messenger then said,


«رُدُّوه»​
(Bring him back,) and when he was brought back, the Prophet asked him,


«أَقُلْتَ: سَامٌ عَلَيْكُمْ؟»​

(Did you say: Sam `Alaykum) He said, `Yes.' The Prophet then said,


«إِذَا سَلَّمَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَحَدٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ فَقُولُوا: عَلَيْك»​

(When the people of the Book greet you, say, `Wa `Alaykum.')'' meaning, `and the same on you too.' The basis for the Hadith of Anas is in the Sahih and similar to this Hadith of `A'ishah is in the Sahih. Allah said,


[وَيَقُولُونَ فِى أَنفُسِهِمْ لَوْلاَ يُعَذِّبُنَا اللَّهُ بِمَا نَقُولُ]​

(and say within themselves:"Why should Allah punish us not for what we say'') means, the Jews say these words, changing the meaning of the Islamic greeting, into an abusive statement, and then say, `Had he been a Prophet, Allah would have punished us for what we said. Allah knows what we conceal. Therefore, if Muhammad were a Prophet, Allah would have sent His punishment on us sooner, in this life.' Allah the Exalted replied,


[حَسْبُهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ]​
(Hell will be sufficient for them;) ell should be sufficient for them in the Hereafter,


[يَصْلَوْنَهَا فَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ]​
(they will enter therein. And worst indeed is that destination!) Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin `Amr said that the Jews used to say, "Sam `Alayka,'' to Allah's Messenger . They would say then within themselves, "Why does Allah not punish us for what we say'' This Ayah was later revealed,


[وَإِذَا جَآءُوكَ حَيَّوْكَ بِمَا لَمْ يُحَيِّكَ بِهِ اللَّهُ وَيَقُولُونَ فِى أَنفُسِهِمْ لَوْلاَ يُعَذِّبُنَا اللَّهُ بِمَا نَقُولُ حَسْبُهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ يَصْلَوْنَهَا فَبِئْسَ الْمَصِيرُ]​

(And when they come to you, they greet you with a greeting wherewith Allah greets you not, and say within themselves: "Why should Allah punish us not for what we say'' Hell will be sufficient for them; they will enter therein. And worst indeed is that destination!) Its chain of narration is Hasan, but they (Al-Bukhari and Muslim) did not collect it.


Tafsir Ibn Kathir




The Conquest of Khaybar and of the Remaining Jewish Strongholds in al Hijaz





Akram Diya al Umari[1]

Excerpted from Madinan Society At the Time of the Prophet, International Islamic Publishing House & IIIT, 1991

Khaybar is an agricultural oasis situated approximately 165 kilometers to the north of Madinah[2], at an altitude of 850 m above sea level. It is the second largest Harrah in Arabia, after the Harrah Banu Salim[3]. Khaybar enjoys fertile land and abundant water, hence it was famous for having many palm trees, apart from the corn and fruits it produced. For this reason it was known as the garden of the Hijaz, because of its fertility, impregnability, and livestock. There was a market place in Khaybar called Suq al Natah, which was guarded by the tribe of Ghatafan, who considered Khaybar to be within their borders.[4] Because of its economic position, many merchants and craftsmen lived there, and there was much money-changing activity.

Before the conquest, Khaybar was inhabited by a mixture of Arabs and Jews. The number of Jews increased after the expulsion of the Jews from Madinah at the time of the Prophet.[5]

The Jews of Khaybar did not show any hostility toward the Muslims until the leaders of Banu al Nadir settled among them. These leaders had been deeply hurt by their expulsion from their homes. The expulsion had not destroyed their power, because they had left Madinah with their wives and children and their wealth, followed by singers beating drums and playing wind-instruments in an act of conceit and pride, the like of which had never been seen among any people at that time.[6]

The most prominent leaders of Banu al Nadir who settled in Khaybar were Salam ibn Abu al Haqiq, Kinanah ibn Abu al Haqiq, and Huyayy ibn Akhtab. When they came to Khaybar, the people accepted their leadership.[7]

The leadership of these three men was enough to drag the Jews of Khaybar into conflict aimed at retaliation against the Muslims. They were driven by an inner hatred and strong desire to return to their homes in Madinah.

Their first move against the Muslims came in the Battle of the Ditch, when the Jews of Khaybar, led by the leaders of Banu al Nadir, played a significant role in the incitement of Quraysh and the desert Arabs against the Muslims, and spent their own money for that purpose. Then they succeeded in persuading Banu Qurayzah to betray the Muslims and cooperate with their enemies.[8]

After God had aided the Muslims in defending Madinah and defeating the tribes, the Messenger felt that it was important to deal with the situation in Khaybar, which had become a source of great danger for the Muslims.

Ibn Ishaq reports ?with an isnad containing a majhul narrator? that the Messenger sent a letter to them, calling them to Islam and reminding them of what their own Scriptures said about his coming.[9] Of course, the Jews did not accept his invitation, nor did they apologize for inciting the enemies of the Muslims. The Messenger therefore decided to liquidate their leaders who had played a part in the incitement against him, including Salam ibn Abd al Haqiq. The Messenger sent Abd Allah ibn Atik and some of the Ansar, and they killed him.

Al Bukhari gave the story of his killing in detail: Abd Allah ibn Atik found and ingenious way to enter his house, which was within his stronghold and surrounded by his bodyguard, and killed him in his bedroom.[10] This indicates that Abd Allah ibn Atik was courageous, eager and ready to make sacrifices for the sake of his beliefs.

But eliminating some of the Jewish leaders was not sufficient to remove the danger to the Muslims. The treaty of al Hudaybiyah, between the Muslims and Quraysh, which took place in the sixth year of the Hijrah, gave the Muslims the opportunity to devote themselves to the conquest of Khaybar. Many of the Qur?anic commentators suggest that God promised the Muslims that they would conquer Khaybar and take booty from it, in Surat al Fath, which was revealed on the way back from al Hudaybiyah:

“God’s good pleasure was on the believers when they swore fealty to thee under the tree: He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down tranquility to them; and He rewarded them with a speedy victory; and many gains will they acquire (besides): and God is exalted in power, full of wisdom. God has promised you many gains that you shall acquire, and He has given you these beforehand; and He has restrained the hands of men from you; that it may be a sign for the believers, and that He may guide you to a straight path; and other gains (there are), which are not within your power, but which God has compassed: and God has power over all things.” (Al Fath, 48:18-21)

The date of the campaign

Ibn Ishaq suggested that it took place in Muharram of the seventh year. Al Waqidi suggested that it took place in Safar or Rabi al Awwal of the seventh year, after the return from al Hudaybiyah in Dhu al Hijjah of the sixth year.[11] Al Zuhri and Imam Malik suggested that it took place in Muharram of the sixth year.[12] The historians followed these pioneers in establishing the date of the campaign, so their suggestions also differ. There is no great difference between Ibn Ishaq and al Waqidi; it is less than three months. The difference between them and al Zuhri and Imam Malik stem from the differences in defining the beginning of the hijrah calendar. Some of them included the months preceding Rabi? al Awwal, the month in which the hijrah took place, so they added a year to the dates of the events which took place at the time of the Prophet; others ignored those months, and considered Rabi? al Awwal as the beginning of the calendar, so they dropped a year from the dates of the events. Ibn Hajar preferred Ibn Ishaq?s suggestion to that of al Waqidi.[13]

On the way to Khaybar

When the Muslims set off for Khaybar under the leadership of the Prophet, they were shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is Most Great) and “La Ilaha illa Allah” (There is no god but Allah) in loud voices, and he asked them to calm down, saying: “You are calling One who is All-hearing and Close, and He is with you.”[14]

This gives a clear picture of the spirit which was controlling the Islamic army. They were motivated by strong faith and their morale for fighting was high, while they were marching towards strongholds full of men, weapons, provisions and supplies. None of these could prevent the believers from achieving their noble aims.

Al Waqidi is the only one who gives a detailed description of the Prophet?s route to Khaybar. Al Waqidi is an expert in describing routes and in defining the places where the events of the Sirah took place. He used to follow the routes himself and ask questions about them. He explained that the Prophet left Madinah and went through Thinyat al Wada, Zaghabah, Nuqma, al Mustanah, al Watih, Asr, Sahba, and al Kharasah; he then passed between al Shiqq and al Natah, went through al Manzilah and al Raji?, from where he set off to conquer Khaybar.[15] Since al Raji? lies to the northeast of Khaybar, it seems that the Prophet wanted to cut Khaybar off from Syria and its allies in Ghatafan.

Description of the conquest of Khaybar

The Prophet conquered al Natah first, and its two strongholds, Na’im and al Sa?b, fell to the Muslims. Then he conquered al Shiqq, and its two strongholds, Abi and al Nizar, fell. Al Natah and al Shiqq lie to the northeast of Khaybar. Then he conquered al Katibah, and its stronghold, al Mani (or al Qamus), fell. This was the stronghold of Ibn Abu al Haqiq. Then he conquered al Watil, and then al Salalim, and their strongholds fell. This is the sequence of the conquest areas around Khaybar according to al Waqidi’s description.[16] Ibn Ishaq?s description differs in the order of events. He agrees with al Waqidi that the conquest began with the capture of the stronghold of Na’im in the region of al Natah, but he differs in that he puts the capture of al Qamus before the capture of al Sa’b.[17]

The authentic hadith indicate that the Prophet reached Khaybar before dawn and prayed Fajr in its vicinity. Then he attacked it before the sun rose. The Jewish peasants who came out to work with their cattle, hoes and baskets were surprised to see the Muslims there and exclaimed: “Muhammad and his army!” The Messenger answered: “Allahu Akbar! Khaybar is destroyed. When we descend into the open space of people, evil will be the morning for those who were warned (and heeded not)!”[18]

The Jews took refuge in their strongholds, and the Muslims besieged the stronghold of al Na’im. Ghatafan quickly came to the aid of the Jews of Khaybar, who were their allies, but they did not join in the fighting for fear that the Muslims might attack their homes. Al Waqidi states that Ghatafan reached the strongholds of Khaybar, but Ibn Ishaq states that they returned to their homes before reaching Khaybar. Al Waqidi is the only one who says that the Prophet offered Ghatafan a year?s date harvest from Khaybar in return for their withdrawal, and that they refused. This report cannot be relied upon because al Waqidi is weak and he is the only one who reported it.[19]

Abu Bakr carried the flag of the Muslims for the first two days of the siege of Na’im, but it did not fall to him, and stress and exhaustion overtook them. The Prophet said: ?Tomorrow I will give the flag to a man whom Allah and His Messenger love, and who loves Allah and His Messenger. He will not return until the stronghold has fallen to him??? The Muslims? spirits revived. After the Prophet had prayed Fajr the following morning, he called Ali and gave him the flag. Ali carried it on the third day, and he achieved the conquest.[20]

One report indicates that the flag-bearer before Ali was Umar ibn al Khattab, not Abu Bakr, but this is a weak report relying on Maymun al Basri who is daif.[21] Another report tells that Abu Bakr, Umar and Ali took turns in carrying the flag on the third day. This is also a weak report because its narrator, Baridah ibn Sufyan, is weak.[22]

The Prophet commanded Ali to call the Jews of Khaybar to Islam, and to tell them what their duties towards God were. He said to him: “By God, if God guides one man (to Islam) through you, it is better for you than the most valuable camels.”[23] This shows that the Prophet was not eager for the booty of Khaybar; rather he was concerned about spreading the message of Islam and removing obstacles from the path of its preparation.

When Ali asked him: “O Messenger of God, on what basis shall I fight?” he said: “Fight them until they say ‘There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah If they do so, their blood and wealth will be protected from you, except what is due from it (i.e., zakah, etc.) and Allah knows their intentions.”[24]

Mahmud ibn Maslamah al Ansari was martyred in the siege of the stronghold of Na’im, when Marhab threw a millstone onto him from the heights of the stronghold.[25] Ali met Marhab in combat and killed him.[26] Marhab was one of the heroes of the Jews, and his death affected their morale.

Several reports tell that Ali carried a gate of the fortress of Na?im as a shield after a Jew had knocked his shield from his arm, but these are all unsubstantiated reports.[27] Rejecting these reports is not a denial of Ali?s strength and courage. There are many other reports which establish this beyond doubt.

The conquest of Na?im took ten days.[28] Afterward, the Muslims set off toward the stronghold of al Sa?b ibn Mu?adh in the region of al Natah, where there were 500 warriors with food and provisions. The Muslims were suffering from lack of food. Al Habbab ibn al Mundhir carried the flag at the conquest, and he did well and fought the Jews bravely. The conquest took three days. Then the Muslims conquered the stronghold of Qal?at al Zubayr, which was the last stronghold of al Natah. The fugitives from Na’im, al Sa?b, and the other Jewish strongholds conquered by the Muslims had gathered in Qal’at al Zubayr, and it was a high and impregnable stronghold. The Muslims cut off the water supply, and forced the Jews to come down and fight; they killed ten of the Jews and conquered the stronghold after a siege lasting three days. After they had dealt with the people of al Natah, who were strongest of the Jews, the Muslims moved from al Raji? to al Manzilah.

Undoubtedly, the position of the Muslims was much stronger after they had defeated the people of al Natah and seized their food and provisions, and the rest of the Jews of Khaybar were alarmed by the fall of al Natah.

The Muslims set off to conquer al Shiqq. This area contained many strongholds, including Abi and al Nizar. The Muslims began by conquering Abi; some of the Jewish warriors were killed in single combat in front of the stronghold. Then the Muslims stormed the fortress and gained the food and provisions inside. Some of the Jewish warriors managed to escape and barricade themselves in the fortress of al Nizar, where they fought the Muslims with arrows and stones. Their resistance collapsed before the siege of the Muslims, who conquered the fortress. The rest of the people of al Shiqq fled from their strongholds to the area of al Katibah, to the southwest of Khaybar, and barricaded themselves in the stronghold of al Qamus (al Mani’). Some of the defeated barricaded themselves with the people of the strongholds of al Watih and al Salalim. The Muslims besieged them for 14 days, before they asked for peace without there having been any fighting. Al Nizar was the last stronghold in which there was fighting. Afterwards the Jewish resistance collapsed and the Jews limited themselves to barricading themselves inside their strongholds, and this barricading always ended with their asking for peace.

The description of the conquest of the strongholds of al Sa’b and al Zubayr, and of the regions of al Shiqq and al Katibah, is based on al Waqidi.[29] He is the only one who gives a clear picture of the conquest of these areas. He is an historian (akhbari) who has abundant information, despite his being weak in the opinion of the hadith scholars. His report is of the kind which is allowable.

Ibn Ishaq?s reports about the conquest of Khaybar are confused and lack precision when compared with the location of the strongholds of Khaybar. An authentic report mentions that the Prophet fought the people of Khaybar, then seized their land and palm trees, and forced them back to their citadel. They agreed that the gold and silver, weapons and armor were for the Messenger of God, and that they could have whatever their mounts could carry, on condition that they restrained themselves and did not conceal anything. If they did so, there would be no protection for them and no treaty with them. They concealed some musk belonging to Huyayy ibn Akhtab, who had been killed before Khaybar, and who had brought it with him on the day Banu al Nadir were expelled. Sayah[30] was asked: “Where is the musk of Huyayy ibn Akhtab?” He answered: “It was spent on war and other expenses.” Then the Muslims found the musk, and killed the two sons of Abu al Haqiq, and took their women and children as prisoners.[31]

Ibn Ishaq mentions without isnad, that the one who concealed the treasure and was asked about it was Kinanah ibn al Rabi?.[32] Ibn Sa’d mentions Kinanah and his brother al Rabi’.[33] Ibn Sa’d's isnad includes Muhammad ibn Abd al Rahman ibn Abu Layla, who is saduq, but he has a very bad memory.[34]

It has been proved that the Jews of the stronghold of al Qamus asked the Prophet for peace, but afterward broke the treaty, so he took their wealth.

The people of al Watih and al Salalim realized, after the fall of al Natah, al Shiqq and al Qamus, that their resistance was futile. They asked the Prophet to let them go and to spare their lives, and he did so.[35]

The rest of Khaybar fell to the Muslims. The people of Fidak, to the north of Khaybar, hastened to ask for peace, and to be allowed to leave in safety, and leave their wealth in return for that. The Prophet agreed to their request.[36]

Fidak was exclusively for the Messenger of Allah, because he had not made an expedition to it with either cavalry or camelry. The Muslims then besieged Wadi al Qura, a group of villages a few days? travel between Khaybar and Tayma.[37] The villages surrendered, and the Muslims took much wealth as booty, but they left the land and palm trees to the Jews, and treated them as they had treated Khaybar. Tayma made a peace treaty similar to the treaties of Khaybar and Wadi al Qura.[38]

Thus the rest of the Jewish strongholds fell before the Muslims. The report of the request for a peace treaty on the part of the people of al Watih and al Salalim, and of Fidak, was transmitted by Ibn Ishaq with a munqati isnad which is not valid evidence for the rules of Islamic jurisprudence. It is valid for describing historical events. Its narrator, Abd Allah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Amr ibn Hazm is famous for transmitting information of the Maghazi.

The number of Jewish men killed in the battle of Khaybar was 93[39] and their women and children were taken prisoners. Among the prisoners was Safiyah bint Huyayy ibn Akhtab. The Prophet freed and married her.[40]

Twenty Muslims were martyred, according to Ibn Ishaq[41], al Waqidi said that there were 15. It is a sign of Allah?s abandoning the Jews that the number of their men killed while defending well-fortified strongholds was far greater than the number of Muslims who were martyred while fighting on open ground. There is a sahih report that a Jewish woman gave the Prophet a roasted sheep she had poisoned; she had put the most poison into the shoulder when she learned that this was the part he preferred. When he tasted some of the shoulder, he realized that it had been poisoned, so he spat out the mouthful. The woman confessed, and he did not punish her[42] but later he killed her when Bishr ibn Ma?rur died as a result of having eaten poison in his food.[43]

What helped the Muslims to conquer Khaybar was the fact that after the treaty of al Hudaybiyah they were free to fight the Jews without Quraysh helping them (the Jews), and that the tribe of Ghatafan abandoned the alliance with the Jews of Khaybar out of fear for their own homes. Quraysh became dejected and angry when they heard the news of the Muslims? victory over the Jews of Khaybar.[44] The victory was unexpected, because the impregnability of the forts and strongholds of the Jews in Khaybar, and the great numbers of warriors and weapons, were well-known. Similarly, the victory at Khaybar had a resounding effect on the other Arab tribes who were astonished by the news and so panic-stricken by the victory, that they held back their hostility and turned to reconciliation. Thus new horizons opened up for the spread of Islam.

The Jews were not expelled from Khaybar at the time of the Prophet. There is an authentic report that the Prophet allowed the Jews to stay in Khaybar on the condition that they work in agriculture and spend their own money on it, and that the Muslims would receive one half of their crops. This was in spite of the fact that the Muslims had the right to expel them if they wanted to. The Jews hastened to make this offer to the Prophet, saying, ?We know the land better than you do? He agreed to this although he had intended to expel them.[45] This does not contradict the report in the Sunan of Abu Dawud[46] which says:

“When the Prophet and the Muslims gained the wealth (i.e., of Khaybar, including the land), they did not have enough workers to work the land for them, so the Messenger of Allah called the Jews, and made an agreement with them? It is possible to reconcile the two reports by explaining that the Jews made this offer to the Messenger and that he accepted after he had thought about it and seen that it was in the interests of the Muslims. Subsequently, he called the Jews and made an agreement with them).”

The fact that he intended to expel them is an indication that all of Khaybar was conquered by force, because those who made peace did so on condition that their lives would be spared and they would be able to leave.

The Jews settled in Khaybar, and the Prophet sent a man on his behalf to evaluate the crops and take the Muslims? share. On one occasion he sent Abd Allah ibn Rawahah, who evaluated half the crop as being 20,000 camel-loads (wisq) of dates. He gave the Jews the choice of taking this half, or of leaving it for him (and taking the other half). They admired his fairness and said: “This is justice, upon which the heavens and the earth are established. We agree to take it, as you said”.[47]

But there is another authentic report which says that he evaluated the crop at 40,000 camel-loads; they accepted his evaluation and had to pay 20,000 camel-loads.[48] The two authentic reports may be reconciled by explaining that by ’40′ was meant the share of both the Jews and the Muslims, and by ’20′ was meant the share of only one of the two groups.

The effects of the conquest of Khaybar

Undoubtedly, the conquest of Khaybar brought great benefits to the Muslims, and improved their economic possibilities with a continual economic income. Aishah said, commenting upon the conquest of Khaybar, “Now we can eat our fill of dates”. Ibn Umar added, “We did not eat our fill until we conquered Khaybar”.[49]

Undoubtedly, these reports give a clear picture of the benefits of the conquest of Khaybar in strengthening the economic position of the Muslims and of the economic situation before the conquest. In spite of the Muslims’ desperate need before Khaybar, the Messenger would have preferred the Jews’ becoming Muslim to receiving the booty, as is made clear by his command to Ali. Nor did he want to destroy or expel the Jews; for this reason he accepted the peace agreement which the Jews of al Qamus, al Watih and Salalim offered. After the agreement ? according to which the Jews accepted expulsion from Khaybar ? had been made, he agreed to let them stay in Khaybar according to their request, an indication of tolerance and justice. This action served the economic and military interests of the Islamic state, in that it conserved the military energies which could then be directed towards continual struggle aimed at unifying the Arab peninsula under the suzerainty of Islam. The Muslims did not turn to agriculture, which needs continual work in cultivating the land and tending plants and palms, and would use their time and energy. They also benefited from the experience and energies of the Jewish presence who maintained the level of agricultural production in Khaybar because of their experience with the land and its cultivation. The Muslims were provided with a large share (of the produce) which the state could use to equip the army and cover other expenses.

The Muslims gained moveable wealth; each man took whatever food he needed, without sharing it with the Muslims or giving 1/5 (khums) of it to the state, because it was little. This contradicts Al Waqidi’s report that there was much wealth and it was sufficient for the Muslims to feed themselves for a month or more.

References

[1] In collecting reports on this topic and selecting those which are authentic, I referred to the thesis by al Shaykh ?Awad Ahmad al Shahri, entitled Marwiyat Ghazwat Khaybar (Reports of the Khaybar Campaign), which he has submitted for a Master’s Degree in the Department of Postgraduate Studies in the Islamic University of Madinah al Munawwarah. I was a member of the examining panel.

[2] This is the distance by modern road, which is different from the route which was followed by the Messenger to Khaybar.

[3] See al Mawsu’ah al Arabiyyah al Muyassarah (The Simplified Arabic Encyclopedia), p. 770. Hamad at Jasir, Fi Shimal Gharb al Jazirah, 236-8

[4] Ibid.

[5] Ibid.

[6] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/272

[7] Ibid.

[8] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/253, transmitted it from the Sirah authorities, joining their isnads together. The isnads contain a majhul narrator, who is invalidated by being mursal, but this report is acceptable, because soundness from a hadith point of view is not a condition for accepting akhbar.

[9] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 2/195

[10] Ibn Hajar, Fath al-Bari, Kitab al Maghazi, Bab Qatal Abu Rafiq, 7/340

[11] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 2/130; al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 2/634

[12] Ibn Asakir, Tarikh Madinat Dimashq (The History of the City of Damascus), 1/33

[13] Fath al Bari, 7/464

[14] al Bukhari, al Sahih, Kitab al Maghazi, Bab Ghazwat Khaybar, 7/470

[15] Al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 2/639

[16] Ibid.

[17] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/438

[18] Al Bukhari, al Sahih, Kitab al Salah, 1/478; Kitab al Adhan, 2/89; Muslim, al Sahih, Kitab al Jihad wa al Siyar, Bab Ghazwat Khaybar, 3/426

[19] Al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 3/650; Ibn Hisham, al Sira, 3/438

[20] Ahmad, al Musnad, 5/353; al Hakim, al Mustadrak, 3/37; al Haythami, Majma al Zawa?id, 6/150. Al Hakim judged that its isnad was sahih, and both al Dhahabi and al Haythami agreed with him.

[21] Ahmad, al Musnad, 5/358; al Haythami, Kashf al Astar ?an Zawa?id Musnad al Bazar, 2/338; al Tabari, Tarikh al Rusul, 2/300; lbn Hajar, Taqrib al Tahdhib, 2/292

[22] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/455; al Tabari, Tarikh al Rusul, 2/300; al Hakim, al Mustadrak, 2/37; see also Ibn Hajar, Tahdhib, 1/433. Al Haythami (Majma al Zawa?id, 9/124) and al Bazar. Ibn Kathir, Al Sirah al Nabawiyah, 3/353) reported it with another isnad, which includes Hakim ibn Jubayr, who is daif, as mentioned in Ibn Hajar’s Taqrib al Tahdhib, 1/292

[23] Muslim, al Sahih, Kitab Fada?il al Sahabah, 4/1872

[24] Sharh al Nawawi ?ala Muslim, 15/177

[25] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/438; al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 2/645

[26] Muslim, al Sahih, Kitab at Jihad wa al Siyar, Bab Ghazwat Dhu Qarad, 3/1433

[27] Al Sa’ati, al Fath al Rabbani, 21/120; Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/446; Ibn Kathir, al Sirah al Nabawiyyah, 3/359; Ibn Hajar, al Isabah, 2/509

[28] Al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 2/657

[29] Ibid., 2/259, 670

[30] The paternal uncle of Huyayy ibn Akhtab, Awn al Ma’bud (The Help of God), 8/241

[31] Abu Dawud, al Sunan, Kitab al Kharaj wa al Imarah wa al Fay Bab Ma Ja’a fi Hukm Ard Khaybar, 3/408

[32] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 3/449

[33] Ibn Sa’d, al Tabaqat, 2/112

[34] Ibn Hajar, Taqrib al Tahdhib, 2/184

[35] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 32/449

[36] Ibid.

[37] Khalifah, Tarikh, 85, transmitted from Ibn Ishaq

[38] Ibn al Qayyim, Zad al Ma’ad, 1/405

[39] Al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 2/699

[40] Muslim, al Sahih, Kitab al Nikah, 2/1645

[41] Ibn Hisham, al Sirah, 2/804-5, where he gives a list of their names.

[42] Al Waqidi, al Maghazi, 2/700

[43] Al Bukhari, al Sahih, 5/176; Muslim, al Sahih, 7/14-15

[44] Ahmad, al Musnad, 3/138; Mawa’rid al Zaman, 413

[45] Al Bukhari, al Sahih, Kitab al Maghazi, Bab Mu?amalat al Nabi Ahl Khaybar, 7/496; Muslim, al Sahih, Kitab Musaqah, Bab al Musaqah wa al Muamalah bi Juz? min al Tamr wa al Zar 3/1186-1187; Abu Dawud, Sunan, Bab fi al Musaqah, 3/697

[46] Kitab al Kharaj, Bab Ma Ja’a fi Hukm Ard Khaybar, 3/412

[47] Al Sa’ati, al Fath al Rabbani, 21/25; it is a Sahih hadith.

[48] Abu Da’ud, Sunan, Kitab al Buyu; Bab al Khuras; Abu Ubayd, al Amwal, 198

[49] Al Bukhari, al Sahih, Kitab al Maghazi, Bab Ghazwat Khaybar, 7/495
 

arzafar

Junior Member
hmm...
what exactly is troubling you?

Jihad (the fighting one) is the perfection of islaamic faith!
There is absolutely no denying that.

oh and yes an when we (muslims) were kings the Kaafirs used to flee from the battlefield because they were terrorized by the valor, discipline and faith of the Muslims.

But then muslims left islam and they divided themselves, so now they are weak and their blood is very cheap. Nowadays muslims fear the word jihad as if it's some kind of monster.
 

Mairo

Maryama
Assalamu aleikum,

I appreciate your expressing your concerns instead of keeping them to yourself. I can understand where you are coming from in a way because I was once an atheist who only believed in what I could see and what could be proved scientifically, I did not believe in miracles and thought belief in God was more like a crutch. By the grace of God and by ways that I cannot fully explain, one day the blinders came off and I realized God did exist, and saw that miracles do indeed occur and exist by way of God. I have found, as many others also have concluded, that Islam and the Quran does not oppose science in any way, but instead is supported in truth. Before I said my shahadah there used to be things that kept me from embracing Islam fully, but as I learned more and came to a greater understanding and appreciation of the religion and the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, those things disappeared and instead became replaced by total conviction and faith. I hope that one day you will come to embrace faith fully, as it does sound like something you are lacking right now, which is something really essential for a believer.

[10.9] Surely (as for) those who believe and do good, their Lord will guide them by their faith; there shall flow from beneath them rivers in gardens of bliss.

[2.108] Rather you wish to put questions to your Apostle, as Musa was questioned before; and whoever adopts unbelief instead of faith, he indeed has lost the right direction of the way.

Truly wonderful response from brother Salahdin - what an amazing history lesson!! And also he is exactly right about acquiring knowledge, this is a really key point. I do encourage you to learn as much as you can about the prophet Muhammad’s character, both from authentic hadeeth sources, such as Bukhari, as well as good biographies and history books as presented by the Muslim perspective. The more you learn about him inshaAllah the more your response toward him will be one of deep gratitude, sincere love and the utmost respect.

Consider that he expended all of his effort and everything he possessed with the sole purpose of delivering the message from Allah and establishing the religion of Islam. He was the best demonstrator of good character, honesty, patience, charity, courage, mercy and justice. I find it ludicrous for people to try to present the prophet as someone who was power hungry or motivated by acquiring booty for personal gains. Recall that before he was called to prophet hood he was a very successful businessman. He willingly left all of that behind, refusing any sort of bribe by any person to make him desist delivering of the Message, even teetering on the brink of survival which ultimately claimed the life of his dear wife Khadijah.

Just imagine - here was the Prophet of Allah who, until the time he was able to return to Mecca, was constantly facing the threat of extinction on all sides. The most powerful people in the entire region wanted him and all the Muslims dead. And this man was a PROPHET. How much then should the people have been punished for that? Especially those who claimed to be Jews, as they should have been the very people most able to recognize that he was a prophet to them and Muhammad’s message was consistent with their own sacred texts. But instead, many of them wanted to kill Muhammad, just as they had killed even their Messiah Isa. Would you prefer to see that they had been successful in their mission to kill him? It was by Allah’s command that the religion of Islam was perfected and established in the land.

[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

Alhamdulilahi, Allah is most patient, beneficent and merciful. There are many accounts of people who initially opposed the prophet ultimately ended up becoming true believers.

It is important to keep in mind that Muhammad was constantly striving and fighting against oppression and persecution. His goal was to establish the religion of Islam, which resulted in peace and security in the land with an overarching social construct that protected everyone in its midst from any form of persecution - religious and otherwise - rather than the mischief, persecution and oppression that had prevailed previously.

You mention also having questions about Jizyah and apostacy, so I have included some additional information for you to consider on those topics. Sorry for the long response, but I hope maybe you will find this helpful and I hope you will continue to seek education on any topic you need clarification about, continually growing and deepening in your relationship with Allah. Also, please do increase spending time with good role models, and seek to do as much good as you can in the time you have available. Best wishes to you.


JIZYAH

A disbeliever who pays the jizyah is called a dhimmi. Dhimmi are those citizens of the Khilafah that hold different beliefs and values to the ideology of the state i.e. Islam. The word dhimmi is derived from the Arabic word dhimmah, which means pledge or covenant (‘ahd).

The state makes a pledge to treat the dhimmi in accordance with the specific terms of the peace treaty made with them (if applicable) and not to interfere in their beliefs, worships and those actions that contradict Islam but were permitted to the dhimmi by the Messenger of Allah (saw) such as drinking alcohol, for example. In all other areas they are viewed and treated in the same way as Muslims unless belief in Islam is a condition for the action.

The dhimmi are citizens of the Khilafah and enjoy all the rights of citizenship such as protection, guaranteed living and fair treatment. They also enjoy the right of being treated with kindness, leniency, justice and clemency. They can join the Islamic armed forces and fight alongside the Muslims if they choose to do so, but they are not obliged to fight as the Muslims are. They are viewed by the ruler and the judge in the same light as the Muslims are viewed without any discrimination in terms of managing their affairs and when implementing the rules of transactions (mu’amilat) and the penal code (hudud) upon them.

Therefore, the dhimmi enjoys all the rights, equally and exactly as those enjoyed by the Muslims except those rights which are specific to them because of their belief or specific to Muslims because of their belief. Muslim and dhimmi communities live together, side by side in the Khilafah. They are not persecuted, hated and forced to live in fear by the Muslims. The dhimmi neighbors have the same rights as Muslim neighbors with no distinction. Muslims and dhimmi will visit each other, be courteous and socialize together. The Messenger of Allah (saw) used to visit the poor from amongst the dhimmi. It is narrated that a Jewish valet who used to serve the Messenger of Allah (saw) was once taken ill, so the Messenger of Allah (saw) visited him. The Prophet (saw) said: “Jibril (Angel Gabriel) kept recommending treating neighbors with kindness until I thought he would assign them a share of inheritance.”

The classical scholars of Islam also detailed the rights of the Muslims towards the dhimmi. The famous Maliki jurist, Shaha al-Deen al-Qarafi states:
“The covenant of protection imposes upon us certain obligations toward the ahl al-dhimmah. They are our neighbors, under our shelter and protection upon the guarantee of Allah, His Messenger (saw), and the religion of Islam. Whoever violates these obligations against any one of them by so much as an abusive word, by slandering his reputation, or by doing him some injury or assisting in it, has breached the guarantee of Allah, His Messenger (saw), and the religion of Islam.”

The Jizya is taken from the men who are sane and mature. It is not taken from the youth, the insane or the women. The level of Jizya is not fixed but the amount is left to the opinion and Ijtihad of the Caliph. The Caliph takes in to consideration the aspect of prosperity and poverty in a way that does not overburden the dhimmi. It is forbidden for the Khilafah to overburden the dhimmi with heavy taxation.

In his message to the people of Al-Hirah, Khalid bin Walid is recorded as saying (in reference to the jizya), "When a person is too old to work or suffers a handicap, or when he falls into poverty, he is free from the dues of the poll tax; his sustenance is provided by the Muslim Exchequer."

It was related from the Messenger of Allah that he appointed Abdullah b. Arqam over the Jizya of the people of dhimmah and when he was leaving, he (saw) called him back and said (Narrated in the Hadith book of Abu Dawud): “Surely, whoever oppresses a person under covenant or imposes upon him more than he can afford and humiliates him or takes anything from him without his consent I will challenge him (i.e. the oppressor) on the day of judgment.”

‘Amr ibn Maymun said, “I saw ‘Umar four nights before he was assassinated sitting on top a camel, saying to Hudhayfa ibn al-Yaman and ‘Uthman ibn al-Hunayf, ‘Review the affairs under your charge. Do you think that you have burdened the tenants with what they cannot bear?” ‘Uthman replied, ‘I have levied on them an amount that I could double and they would still have the ability to pay.’ Hudhayfa said: ‘I have imposed on them an amount that leaves a large surplus.’

Abu Ubayd commenting on this said: this is the legal rule in our view for the imposition of jizya and kharaj; they are levied in accordance with the capacity of the dhimmis to pay, without burdening them and without adversely affecting the fay’ of the Muslims; however, no limit is imposed on it. When collecting the jizya this cannot be collected by abusing and torturing the dhimmi as some have claimed.

Jizya is not an oppressive tax, as compared to the taxes people pay in the West today like income tax and VAT. Financially, the dhimmi prospered under the Islamic State and set up many businesses and engaged in much trade.

According to Muslim accounts of Umar, in his time some payers of the jizya were compensated if they had not been cared for properly. The accounts vary, but describe his meeting an old Jew begging, and assisting him; according to one version:

Umar said to him, "Old man! We have not done justice to you. In your youth we realized Jizyah from you and have left you to fend for yourself in your old age". Holding him by the hand, he led him to his own house, and preparing food with his own hands fed him and issued orders to the treasurer of the Bait-al-mal that that old man and all others like him, should be regularly doled out a daily allowance which should suffice for them and their dependents.

The protection of the dhimmi is the responsibility of the Muslims. The dhimmi are not obliged to join the army and fight to defend the Islamic State. Ibn Hazm said that one of the rights of the People of Covenant is that if Dar ul Islam is attacked and the People of the Covenant reside in that part of the land then Muslims have to die to defend them. Any leniency in this regard would be leniency in the rights of the People of Dhimma. If they choose to, non-Muslims can be part of the Islamic army and be paid a wage for this. But they are not allowed to hold positions of authority within the army.

A letter attributed to Khalid bin Walid said that "This is a letter of Khalid ibn al-Waleed to Saluba ibn Nastuna and his people; I agreed with you on al-jezyah and protection. As long as we protect you we have the right in al-jezyah, otherwise we have none.”

Abu Yusuf gives the following report:
After getting on peaceful terms with the people of Syria and collecting the dues of the Jizya and the Kharaj, news reached Abu ‘Ubeida that the Byzantines had amassed their troops to attack him. The effect of this was great on Abu ‘Ubeida and the Muslims. He sent messages to the rulers of cities with whose citizens he had made peace, asking them to return to their subjects the paid dues of the Jizya and Kharaj with an instruction to tell them: ‘We hereby return to you the money you have paid us, because of the news of the enemy troops amassed to attack us, but, if God grants us victory against the enemy, we will keep up to the promise and covenant between us.’ When this was delivered to the dhimmis and their money returned to them, they told the Muslims: ‘May God bring you back to us and grant you victory over them!’

It’s true that a dhimmi cannot hold any ruling position within the Khilafah. This is because the Shari’ah has restricted these positions to those who believe in the ideology of the state i.e. Islam. This is no different to any ideological state within the world today.

Muhammad Asad states:
One cannot escape the fact that no non-Muslim citizen – however great his personal integrity and his loyalty to the state – could, on psychological grounds, ever be supposed to work wholeheartedly for the ideological objectives of Islam; nor, in fairness, could such a demand be made of him. On the other hand, no ideological organization (whether based on religious or other doctrines) can afford to entrust the direction of its affairs to persons not professing its ideology. Is it, for instance, conceivable that a non-Communist could be given a political key position – not to speak of supreme leadership of the state – in Soviet Russia? Obviously not, and logically so: for as long as communism supplies the ideological basis of the state, only persons who identify themselves unreservedly with its aims can be relied upon to translate those aims into terms of administrative policy.

Having said this dhimmi can be civil servants and directors of the administrative government departments. Discrimination against dhimmi for civil service posts is forbidden. The evidence for this is from the Islamic rules on hiring (Ijara) where it is permitted to hire any person whether Muslim or non-Muslim. This is because the evidences for hiring came in a general form. The Messenger of Allah (saw) himself once hired a man from the tribe Banu Ad-Deel who was a non-Muslim, which indicates that it is permitted to hire a non-Muslim just as it is to hire a Muslim.

The Messenger of Allah (saw) said: “Allah (swt) said; I will challenge three people on the day of Judgment... and a man who employed a laborer, he received from him (the work) but did not give him his wage.”

Although dhimmi cannot hold ruling positions within the government this does not mean they cannot politically participate within the Khilafah. One of the pillars of the Islamic ruling system is consultation (shura). This function is institutionalized within an elected council called the Majlis al-Ummah (Council of the Ummah) that forms part of the Khilafah government.

The Majlis al-Ummah is an elected council whose members can be Muslim, non-Muslim, men or women. These members represent the interests of their constituencies within the state. The majlis has no powers of legislation like in a democratic parliament but it does have many powers that act as a counterbalance to the executive powers of the Khaleefah.

Members of the majlis can voice their political opinions freely without fear of imprisonment or rebuke. This makes the Majlis ul-Ummah a very powerful institution for accounting the Khaleefah and his government which the dhimmi can fully participate in.

The jizyah will remain in effect until the time when Isa returns (Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425 states that Isa/Jesus will abolish the jizya, as does Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657)

http://www.caliphate.eu/2007/10/dhimmi-non-muslims-in-caliphate.html
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/jizya-in-islam/
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31536



APOSTACY

It is clear from reading the Quran that turning from belief to disbelief is a grievous error:

[4.137] Surely (as for) those who believe then disbelieve, again believe and again disbelieve, then increase in disbelief, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them in the (right) path.

[4.155] Therefore, for their breaking their covenant and their disbelief in the communications of Allah and their killing the prophets wrongfully and their saying: Our hearts are covered; nay! Allah set a seal upon them owing to their unbelief, so they shall not believe except a few.

[16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

[30.44] Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls

[31.23] And whoever disbelieves, let not his disbelief grieve you; to Us is their return, then will We inform them of what they did surely Allah is the Knower of what is in the breasts.

While it is clear this error will result in ultimate punishment from Allah for those who do not repent, there is some controversy among scholars based on study of Quran and Sunnah whether or not this error constitutes capital punishment. There are many who have concluded that in every single case presented in hadith where punishment has been meted out, riddah involved treason or rebellion, not simply a divergence of belief.

The following is an example of how the Prophet dealt with solely apostasy:
A bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle for Islam. Then the bedouin got fever at Medina, came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge," But Allah's Apostle refused. Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. The bedouin finally went out (of Medina) whereupon Allah's Apostle said, "Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good. [Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, #318]
As Dr. M. E. Subhani explained in his book:
“This was an open case of apostasy. But the Prophet neither punished the Bedouin nor asked anyone to do it. He allowed him to leave Madina. Nobody harmed him.” [Apostasy in Islam (New Delhi, India: Global Media Publications, 2005), pp. 23-24.]

Some other opinions of note to consider on the topic:

1. Dr. Tariq Ramadan
[Swiss Muslim Academic and Scholar]

"Q What about apostasy? What happens if you are born and educated a Muslim but then say: I have now decided that Islam is not for me. Would you accept that someone born into a Muslim family has a right to say that they no longer believe, and that families and communities must respect that?

A) I have been criticized about this in many countries. My view is the same as that of Sufyan Al-Thawri, an 8th-century scholar of Islam, who argued that the Koran does not prescribe death for someone because he or she is changing religion. Neither did the Prophet himself ever perform such an act. Many around the Prophet changed religions. But he never did anything against them. There was an early Muslim, Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh, who went with the first emigrants from Mecca to Abyssinia. He converted to Christianity and stayed, but remained close to Muslims. He divorced his wife, but he was not killed." [Interview: Tariq Ramadan]

2. Subhi Mahmassani
[An Islamic scholar and jurist from Lebanon; author of The Philosophy of Jurisprudence in Islam, 1961]

Mahmassani has observed that the death penalty was meant to apply, not to simple acts of apostasy from Islam, but when apostasy was linked to an act of political betrayal of the community .The Prophet never killed anyone solely for apostasy. This being the case, the death penalty was not meant to apply to a simple change of faith but to punish acts such as treason, joining forces with the enemy and sedition. [Arkan Huquq al-Insan fi l-Islam (Bases of Human Rights in Islam), Beirut: Dar al-‘Ilm li-l-Malayin, 1979, cited in Kamali, as above]

3. Dr. Hassan Turabi
[Sudanese Islamic leader and intellectual]

"Q) You believe that apostasy should not be punishable by death. There has been a recent case of an Afghan who was about to be killed for apostasy but was saved under the pretense of mental illness. The case was recognized internationally as Italy wants to grant him asylum.

A) There are too many Quranic verses to recite (regarding this). We are ordered to debate with Christians and Jews except those who are unjust. We believe in their prophets who are our prophets too. We believe in their books even if some distortion took place. We are ordered to treat them cordially." [Interview with al-Sharq al-Awsat]

"To be punishable [as a capital offence] apostasy has to be more than just intellectual apostasy. It would have to translate into not only sedition but actually insurrection against society.” [quoted in Globalization and the Muslim World: Sub-Saharan Africa in a Comparative Context]

http://apostasyandislam.blogspot.com/

Allahu Alam
 

abdul-aziz

Junior Member
:salam2:

To be honest, I'm actually a pessimistic Muslim these past years. I have been disillusioned from the statement that 'Islam is peace', 'Terrorism is not from Islam, etc. But still consider myself as practicing Muslim.

I had been exposed to ahadith and historical accounts such as these:


These among others like Jizyah, apostacy, homosexuality issues etc., led me away to think in a positive manner about Islam. I've stopped trying to reconcile these with my reasoning. The only way I can resolve them is by ignoring them altogeether throughout the day/week/month. (Though, in a positive light, I'm successful at reconciling Islam with science- i.e. by splitting my worldview.)

So, it is likely that I'll spend the rest of my life (though in occasional cordial dissatisfaction) as a Muslim because of my fear of Hell.

:wasalam:


you have issues, I guess:

I have never had been exposed anything about my faith:

every issue you have with Islam, be PATIENT, they usually get answered reverts, born and raised muslims all have witnessed this. Personally I have to since I at times misunderstood something. Ask Allah for guidance in every prayer..

is there anything you would like for a muslim brother to assist you with. Also my apologies I avoid looking up translated hadiths, as many are just synopsis of or there is no usool considerations related.

:wasalam:
 
Top