Muhammad's concubine mary? Need some help.

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alf2

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A non-Muslim said to me....... "I think it is very strange that he only had children by his first wife and his concubine, Mary. With that many wives he should have been over run with sons. Did son's mean a threat to his rule? In Arabic culture at the time was there a habit of son's continuing to rule after the father died like in the European countries? Would a son have been a threat to him?"

My questions:

1) Didnt Muhammad (saws) have 2 sons who died in infancy?
2) Who is Mary this woman speaks of?
3) What are we to assume she is implying when she talks about a son being a threat?
 

BrotherMatthew

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A non-Muslim said to me....... "I think it is very strange that he only had children by his first wife and his concubine, Mary. With that many wives he should have been over run with sons. Did son's mean a threat to his rule? In Arabic culture at the time was there a habit of son's continuing to rule after the father died like in the European countries? Would a son have been a threat to him?"

My questions:

1) Didnt Muhammad (saws) have 2 sons who died in infancy?
2) Who is Mary this woman speaks of?
3) What are we to assume she is implying when she talks about a son being a threat?


1. Yes, Muhammad (S) had 2 sons with Khadijah (RA) who died in infancy.
2. Hmm, I don't know of this Mary person either...
3. She is talking about how when a king has a child, that child becomes the next king etc. She might be asking why didn't Muhammad (S) have a son to continue his reign after he died.
 

queenislam

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Serious Mistake!!!

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A non-Muslim said to me....... "I think it is very strange that he only had children by his first wife and his concubine, Mary. With that many wives he should have been over run with sons. Did son's mean a threat to his rule? In Arabic culture at the time was there a habit of son's continuing to rule after the father died like in the European countries? Would a son have been a threat to him?"

My questions:

1) Didnt Muhammad (saws) have 2 sons who died in infancy?
2) Who is Mary this woman speaks of?
3) What are we to assume she is implying when she talks about a son being a threat?

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Keeping concubine is a great sin
how can you associate this to our holy prophet???
and by steady logical mind
you can tell this story isn't true!

¬May Allah swt forgive you sister¬Amin!


As you are new to Islam,
i suggest you to focus on the holy qur'an
and learn history about the holy prophet Muhammad s.a.w
through proper lesson and authorised scholar with knowledge.

¬May Allah swt help and guide you¬Amin!

Take care!
¬Wassalam.
 

masihuddin

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Mariyah R.A. was a slave girl given as a gift to the Holy Prophet S.AWAAS.by the Ruler of Egypt.According to Martin Lings The ruler of Egypt in answer to the Prophet s letter inviting him to Islam answered evasively but sent him a rich present of a thousand measures of gold ,twenty robes of fine cloth ,amule,a she ass aCoptic Christian nd as the crown of the gift two Coptic Christan slave girls eacorted by an elderly eunch . The girls were very beautiful both sisters MariyaR.A. and Sirin .The Prophet gave Sirin to Hasan bin Thasbit and kept Mariyah he had a son Ibrahim from Mariyah who died in his infancy like his two sons from KhadijaR.A.
The Quran says that Muhammad S.AW\.A.S. is not a father of any one of you but is the seal of Prophet hood that is he is the last Prophet
 

bari

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It known thru Quran, even being sonless his (SWS) zikr is so elevated.. does he need a son so carry his legacy? He taught sahabs who carried his legacy and alhamulillah I am muslim for their effort
 

thariq2005

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:astag:
Keeping concubine is a great sin
how can you associate this to our holy prophet???

Wa `alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaah

Sister, please do not make statements like that. That is terribly incorrect. Mariyah was a concubine, but not in the sense that the western people think off concubines. We know that slavery in Islaam is totally different as compared to the western countries understanding of it.

There are many threads that has been discussed here about it, kindly search for it.

Sister alf2: About the son issue, its a lot of nonsense. Its amazing how people make up so many different types of rubbish, in order to bring down Islaam.

We know sister that the Prophet :saw2: who was the most beloved to Allaah, was greatly tested by Allaah through trials and tribulations. He :saw2: had to go through so many trials, such as the death of parents, children, uncle etc. And Allaah tested him, :saw2:, with the death of his three sons in infancy.
 

Perseveranze

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Think the Prophet(pbuh) had more things to worry about like the Muslim Ummah (and the many struggles they faced) then thinking about how many kids he should have.
 

alf2

Islam is a way of life
Think the Prophet(pbuh) had more things to worry about like the Muslim Ummah (and the many struggles they faced) then thinking about how many kids he should have.

I know right? That was the weirdest thing anyone has ever said. As if Prophet Muhammad could control how many kids he had and what the gender was, sheesh :girl3:
 

JenGiove

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Mariyah was a concubine, but not in the sense that the western people think off concubines.

We know that slavery in Islaam is totally different as compared to the western countries understanding of it.

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Brother, would you be kind enough to direct me to those threads that pertain to the differences or could you please expand on those statements? I'd be most interested in learning about that.

Thank you very much..
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
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Brother, would you be kind enough to direct me to those threads that pertain to the differences or could you please expand on those statements? I'd be most interested in learning about that.

Thank you very much..

Wa `alaykum salaam

Here is an article from IslamQA

Islam and slavery
I often hear Christian missionaries criticizing Islam and accusing it because Islam permitted slavery, and saying that this is a transgression against man’s freedom and rights. How can we respond to these people?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Discussing slavery and asking questions about it on the part of those who promote Christianity and try to divert people from following the religion of Islam is something that annoys the wise person and makes him point the finger of accusation towards the ulterior motives that lie behind these questions.

That is because slavery is well established in Judaism and Christianity, where it has taken unjust forms. They have many books which discuss that in detail and condone it. Therefore it makes you wonder: how can these churchmen call people to Christianity when Christianity condones and legitimizes slavery?

In other words: how can they stir up an issue when they themselves are up to their necks in it?!

The issue of slavery is completely different when discussed from the angles of Christianity and Islam, and when compared with the situation that prevailed at the advent of Islam.

Hence we must discuss this topic in some detail with reference to what is said in Judaism, Christianity and contemporary culture on this matter, then we will speak of slavery in Islam.

Many lies have been fabricated about Islam on this topic, at a time when criminals with lengthy track records are safe and nobody points a finger at them.

Islam and slavery:

Islam affirms that Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, created man fully accountable, and enjoined duties upon him, to which reward and punishment are connected on the basis of man’s free will and choice.

No human being has the right to restrict this freedom or take away that choice unlawfully; whoever dares to do that is a wrongdoer and oppressor.

This is one of the basic principles of Islam. When the question is asked: why does Islam permit slavery? We reply emphatically and without shame that slavery is permitted in Islam, but we should examine the matter with fairness and with the aim of seeking the truth, and we should examine the details of the rulings on slavery in Islam, with regard to the sources and reasons for it, and how to deal with the slave and how his rights and duties are equal to those of the free man, and the ways in which he may earn his freedom, of which there are many in sharee’ah, whilst also taking into consideration the new types of slavery in this world which is pretending to be civilized, modern and progressive.

When Islam came, there were many causes of slavery, such as warfare, debt (where if the debtor could not pay off his debt, he became a slave), kidnapping and raids, and poverty and need.

Slavery did not spread in this appalling manner throughout all continents except by means of kidnapping; rather the main source of slaves in Europe and America in later centuries was this method.

The texts of Islam took a strong stance against this. It says in a hadeeth qudsi: “Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).

It is worth pointing out that you do not find any text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah which enjoins taking others as slaves, whereas there are dozens of texts in the Qur’aan and the ahaadeeth of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which call for manumitting slaves and freeing them.

There were many sources of slaves at the time of the advent of Islam, whereas the means of manumitting them were virtually nil. Islam changed the way in which slavery was dealt with; it created many new ways of liberating slaves, blocked many ways of enslaving people, and established guidelines which blocked these means.

Islam limited the sources of slaves that existed before the beginning of the Prophet’s mission to one way only: enslavement through war which was imposed on kaafir prisoners-of-war and on their womenfolk and children.

Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for slavery is kufr and fighting against Allaah and His Messenger. When Allaah enables the Muslim mujaahideen who are offering their souls and their wealth, and fighting with all their strength and with what Allaah has given them to make the word of Allaah supreme over the kuffaar, then He makes them their property by means of slavery unless the ruler chooses to free them for nothing or for a ransom, if that serves the interests of the Muslims. End quote from Adwa’ al-Bayaan (3/387).

He also said:

If it is said: If the slave becomes Muslim then why keep him as a slave, when the reason for slavery is kufr and fighting against Allaah and His Messenger, so this reason no longer applies?

The answer is that the well known principle among the scholars and all wise people, which is that the previously established right cannot be erased by a right that is established later, and that what came first takes precedence, is obvious.

When the Muslims captured kuffaar, their right to possession was affirmed by the law of the Creator of all, Who is All Wise and All Knowing. So this right is confirmed and established. Then if the slave became Muslim after that, his right to escape slavery by embracing Islam was superseded by the mujaahid’s prior right to take possession of him before he became Muslim, and it would be unjust and unfair to annul the prior right because of a subsequent right, as is well known to all wise people.

Yes, it is good for the master to free the slave if he becomes Muslim. The Lawgiver enjoined and encouraged that, and opened many doors to it. Glory be to the Most Wise, the All Knowing. “And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Knower” [al-An’aam 6:115].

“in truth” means in what He tells us, and “in justice” means in His rulings.

Undoubtedly this justice refers to owning slaves and other rulings of the Qur’aan.

How many people criticize something sound when their problem is their own misunderstanding. End quote from Adwa’ al-Bayaan (3/389).

Capture of prisoners during war was the most common way of acquiring slaves. Prisoners would inevitably be captured during any war, and the prevalent custom at that time was that prisoners had no protection or rights; they would either be killed or enslaved. But Islam brought two more options: unconditional release or ransom. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam)” [Muhammad 47:4]. During the battle of Badr the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted ransoms from the mushrik prisoners of war and let them go, and the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) let many of the prisoners go for free, releasing them with no ransom. During the conquest of Makkah it was said to the people of Makkah: “Go, for you are free.”

During the campaign of Banu’l-Mustaliq, the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married a female prisoner from the defeated tribe so as to raise her status, as she was the daughter of one of their leaders, namely the Mother of the Believers Juwayriyah bint al-Haarith (may Allaah be pleased with her). Then the Muslims let all of these prisoners go.

Islam is not thirsty for the blood of prisoners, nor is it eager to enslave them.

Thus we may understand the limited ways that can lead to slavery. Islam did not abolish it altogether, because the kaafir prisoner who was opposed to truth and justice was a wrongdoer, or was a supporter of wrongdoing or was a tool in the execution or approval of wrongdoing. Letting him go free would give him the opportunity to spread wrongdoing and aggression against others and to oppose the truth and prevent it reaching people.

Freedom is a basic human right which cannot be taken away from a person except for a reason. When Islam accepted slavery within the limits that we have described, it put restrictions on the man who exploits his freedom in the worst possible way. If he was taken prisoner in a war of aggression in which he was defeated, then the proper conduct is to keep him in reasonable conditions throughout his detention.

Despite all that, Islam offers many opportunities to restore freedom to him and people like him.

The principle of dealing with slaves in Islam is a combination of justice, kindness and compassion.

One of the means of liberating slaves is allocating a portion of zakaah funds to freeing slaves; the expiation for accidental killing, zihaar (a jaahili form of divorce that is forbidden), breaking vows and having intercourse during the day in Ramadaan, is to free a slave. In addition to that, Muslims are also encouraged in general terms to free slaves for the sake of Allaah.

This is a brief summary of some of the principles of dealing with slaves in a just and kind manner:

1 – Guaranteeing them food and clothing like that of their masters.

It was narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “They are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your authority, so if Allaah has put a person’s brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6050).

2 – Preserving their dignity

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard Abu’l-Qaasim (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever accuses his slave when he is innocent of what he says will be flogged on the Day of Resurrection, unless he is as he said.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6858).

Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) manumitted a slave of his, then he picked up a stick or something from the ground and said: There is no more reward in it than the equivalent of this, but I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever slaps his slave or beats him, his expiation is to manumit him.” Narrated by Muslim (1657).

3 – Being fair towards slaves and treating them kindly

It was narrated that ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan tweaked the ear of a slave of his when he did something wrong, then he said to him after that: Come and tweak my ear in retaliation. The slave refused but he insisted, so he started to tweak it slightly, and he said to him: Do it strongly, for I cannot bear the punishment on the Day of Resurrection. The slave said: Like that, O my master? The Day that you fear I fear also.

When ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf (may Allaah be pleased with him) walked among his slaves, no one could tell him apart from them, because he did not walk ahead of them, and he did not wear anything different from what they wore.

One day ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab passed by and saw some slaves standing and not eating with their master. He got angry and said to their master: What is wrong with people who are selfish towards their servants? Then he called the servants and they ate with them.

A man entered upon Salmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) and found him making dough – and he was a governor. He said to him: O Abu ‘Abd-Allaah, what is this? He said: We have sent our servant on an errand and we do not want to give him two jobs at once.

4 – There is nothing wrong with slaves having precedence over free men in some matters

- with regard to any religious or worldly matters in which he excels over him. For example, it is valid for a slave to lead the prayer. ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers had a slave who would lead her in prayer. Indeed the Muslims have been commanded to hear and obey even if a slave is appointed in charge of their affairs.

5 – A slave may buy himself from his master and be free.

If a person is enslaved for some reason but then it becomes apparent that he has given up his wrongdoing and forgotten his past, and he has become a man who shuns evil and seeks to do good, is it permissible to respond to his request to let him go free? Islam says yes, and there are some fuqaha’ who say that this is obligatory and some who say that it is mustahabb.

This is what is called a mukaatabah or contract of manumission between the slave and his master. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you find that there is good and honesty in them. And give them something (yourselves) out of the wealth of Allaah which He has bestowed upon you”

[al-Noor 24:33]

This is how Islam treats slaves justly and kindly.

One of the results of these guidelines is that in many cases, the slave would become a friend of his master; in some cases the master would regard him as a son. Sa’d ibn Haashim al-Khaalidi said, describing a slave of his:

He is not a slave, rather he is a son whom [Allaah] has put under my care.

He has supported me with his good service; he is my hands and my arms.

Another result of the Muslims treating slaves in this manner is that the slaves became part of Muslim families as if they were also family members.

Gustave le Bon says in Hadaarat al-‘Arab (Arab Civilization) (p. 459-460): What I sincerely believe is that slavery among the Muslims is better than slavery among any other people, and that the situation of slaves in the east is better than that of servants in Europe, and that slaves in the east are part of the family. Slaves who wanted to be free could attain freedom by expressing their wish. But despite that, they did not resort to exercising this right. End quote.

How did non-Muslims treat slaves?

Attitude of the Jews towards slaves:

According to the Jews, mankind is divided into two groups: the Israelites form one group and all of mankind is another group.

As for the Israelites, it is permissible to enslave some of them, according to specific teachings contained in the Old Testament.

As for people other than the Israelites, they are a low-class race according to the Jews, who may be enslaved via domination and subjugation, because they are people who are doomed to humiliation by the heavenly decree from eternity. It says in Exodus 21:2-6:

“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything.

3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him.

4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,'

6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life”

As for enslaving non-Hebrews, this is done by taking them captive or overpowering them, because they believe that their race is superior to others, and they try to find a justification for that slavery in their distorted Torah. So they say that Ham the son of Noah – who was the father of Canaan – angered his father, because Noah was drunk one day and became naked as he was sleeping in his tent, and Ham saw him like that. When Noah found out about that after he woke up, he got angry and he cursed his progeny who were descendents of Canaan, and he said – according to the Book of Genesis 9:25-26): “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.’ He also said, ‘Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem.’”

In the same chapter (v. 27) it says: “May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his [or their] slave”.

In the Book of Deuteronomy 20:10-14, it says:

“When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.

11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.

12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.

13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves”

Attitude of the Christians towards slaves:

Christianity confirmed slavery as it had been affirmed beforehand by Judaism. There is no text in the Gospels that prohibits or denounces slavery. It is remarkable that the historian William Muir criticized our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for not immediately abolishing slavery, whilst overlooking the attitude of the Gospels concerning slavery, as there is no report from the Messiah, or from the Disciples, or from the churches concerning this issue.

Rather, in his Epistles, Paul advised that slaves should be loyal to their masters, as he says in his Epistle to the Ephesians, where he enjoins slaves to obey their masters as they would obey the Messiah:

“5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,

8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free”

(Ephesians 6:5-9).

In Grand Larousse encyclopédique, it says: It comes as no surprise that slavery has continued among Christians until today; the official representatives of the faith have affirmed its validity and accepted its legitimacy.

… to sum up: the Christian religion approved fully of slavery and still does so today. It is very difficult for anyone to prove that Christianity strove to abolish slavery.

The saints affirmed that nature makes some people slaves.

Churchmen did not prevent slavery or oppose it; rather they supported it, to such an extent that the philosopher saint Thomas Aquinas supported the philosophical view that agreed with the view of religious leaders, and he did not object to slavery, rather he praised it because – according to the view of Aristotle – it is one of the conditions in which some people are created naturally, and it does not contradict faith for a man to be content with the lowest position in life.

Haqaa’iq al-Islam by al-‘Aqqaad (p. 215).

In the Dictionary of the Bible by Dr. George Yousuf it says: Christianity did not object to slavery for political or economic reasons, and it did not urge believers to oppose their generation’s views with regard to slavery, or even debate it, and it did not say anything against the rights of slave owners or motivate the slaves to seek independence; it did not discuss the harm or harshness of slavery and it did not enjoin the immediate release of slaves.

It did not change anything in the nature of the relationship between master and slave; on the contrary, it affirmed the rights and duties of both parties.

Contemporary Europe and slavery

It is the reader’s right, in this era of advancement and progress, to ask questions about the pioneers of this progress and the numbers of people who died because of the way in which they were hunted, and who died on their way to the coast where the ships of the English Company and others would wait, then the rest died due to changes in climate. Approximately 4% died as they were being loaded onto the ships, and 12 % during the journey, let alone those who died in the colonies.

The slave trade continued at the hands of English companies that obtained the right of monopoly with the permission of the British government, then gave free rein to British subjects to enslave people. Some experts estimate that the total number of people seized by the British during slavery and exiled to the colonies between 1680 and 1786 CE was around 2,130,000.

When Europe made contact with Black Africa, this contact led to human misery during which the black people of that continent were faced with a major calamity that lasted for five centuries. The states of Europe came up with evil ways of kidnapping these people and bringing them to their lands to serve as fuel for their revival, where they burdened them with more work than they could bear. When America was discovered, the calamity increased and they became slaves in two continents instead of just one.

The Encyclopaedia Britannica says (2/779) on the topic of slavery: Hunting slaves in the villages that were surrounded by the jungle was done by lighting fires in the straw of which the corrals surrounding the villages were made, then when the villagers fled to open land, the British hunted them down with whatever means they had at their disposal.

During the period from 1661 to 1774, for every million Black Africans who reached the Americas, a further nine million died during the hunting, loading and transportation. In other words, only one tenth of those who were hunted survived and actually reached the Americas, where they found no rest or relief, rather they were subjected to hard labour and torture.

At that time, they had laws which any wise person would be ashamed of.

Among these evil laws were those which said that any slave who transgressed against his master was to be killed, and any slave who ran away was to have his hands and feet cut off, and he was to be branded with hot iron; if he ran away again, he was to be killed. How could he run away if his hands and feet had been cut off?!

It was forbidden for a black man to become educated, and the jobs of whites were forbidden to coloureds.

In America, if seven black people gathered together, that was regarded as a crime, and if a white man passed by them it was permissible for him to spit at them and give them twenty lashes.

Another law stated that the blacks had no soul and that they possessed no smartness, intelligence or willpower, and that life existed only in their arms.

To sum up, with regard to his duties and service to his master, the slave was regarded as sane, responsible and punishable if he fell short, but with regard to his rights, he had no soul and no being, and he was not more than a strong pair of arms!

Finally, after many centuries of enslavement and oppression, there came the protocol to abolish slavery and strive to put an end to it, in a resolution issued by the United Nations in 1953 CE.

Hence their consciences did not awaken until the last century, after they had built their civilization on the corpses of free men whom they had enslaved unlawfully. What fair-minded person can compare this with the teachings of Islam, which came fourteen hundred years ago? It seems that accusing Islam with regard to this topic is like the saying, “She accused me of her problem then walked away.”

And Allaah knows best.

See: Shubahaat Hawl al-Islam by Muhammad Qutub; Talbees Mardood fi Qadaaya Khateerah by Shaykh Dr. Saalih ibn Humayd, the Imam of the Haram in Makkah.
 

karincanay

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SISTER HERE ARE SOME THINGS I HAVE READ

THE SLAVE THAT WAS GIVEN TO HIM AS A PRESENT TO BE A CONCUBINE WAS MARIA, SHE BECAME MUSULMAN BEFORE SHE MEET HIM. AND HE DID MARRY HER BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CORRECT IN ISLAM TO HAVE A CONCUBINE. SO SHE WAS A SLAVE THEN HIS WIFE.

HE DID MARRY OTHER WOMEN MOST OF THEM WIDOWS OF GREAT CHARACTER AND WISDOM AND THE FIRST INTEREST WAS NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN BUT TO PROTECT THEM AND SHOW HOW MEN SHOUD ACT UPON THEIR WIVES.


THE CONCEPT OF HAVING CHILDREN TO CONTINUE THE RULE IS OK FOR A KING BUT WHAT MUHAMMAD (PBUH) DID WAS NOT A KINGDOM AND HE DID NOT CARE FOR THE POWER OR MATERIAL THINGS, HE CARED TO GIVE FOR THE POOR AND HELPLES PEOPLE AND TO PROTECT WOMEN THAT OTHERWAY SHOULD SUFER POVERTY.

ALLAH KNOWS BEST



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ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Frankly I don't know why this has to be such an issue. The Prophet :saw: was the best to walk amongst mankind. His actions should not have to be distorted or "edited" so that they fit the perception of Western derived definitions. Like Akh Thariq said, many terminologies factored at the time of RasulAllah :saw: have very different meanings today and unfortunately, it is by THOSE meanings which he is judged.

Her name was Mariyah and she was Qibtiyah (a Coptic Christian). She was a concubine and not a wife.

The proof is in the pudding. Here you go:

Was Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah one of the Mothers of the Believers?

Praise be to Allaah.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not marry Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah, rather she was a concubine who was given to him by al-Muqawqis, the ruler of Egypt. That took place after the treaty of al-Hudaybiyah. Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah was a Christian, then she became Muslim (may Allaah be pleased with her).

Ibn Sa’d said:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) lodged her – meaning Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah and her sister – with Umm Sulaym bint Milhaan, and the Messenger of Allaah (S) entered upon them and told them about Islam. He took Mariyah as a concubine and moved her to some property of his in al-‘Awaali… and she became a good Muslim.

Al-Tabaqaat al-Kubra, 1/134-135

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said:

Mariyah died during the caliphate of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, in Muharram of 16 AH. ‘Umar gathered the people himself to attend her funeral, and he led the funeral prayer for her. She was buried in al-Baqee’.

Al-Isti’aab, 4/ 1912

Mariyah (may Allaah be pleased with her) was one of the Prophet’s concubines, not one of his wives. The Mothers of the Believers are the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their (believers’) mothers (as regards respect and marriage)”

[al-Ahzaab 33:6]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had four concubines, one of whom was Mariyah.

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Abu ‘Ubaydah said: He had four (concubines): Mariyah, who was the mother of his son Ibraaheem; Rayhaanah; another beautiful slave woman whom he acquired as a prisoner of war; and a slave woman who was given to him by Zaynab bint Jahsh.

Zaad al-Ma’aad, 1/114

For more information of the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) – the Mothers of the Believers – please see the answer to question no. 47072

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I have read she was very humble. He, the Prophet, offered to marry her. She was pleased with her status; it was enough for her.

He was the best of men. He married out of showing us so many things. How he liberated women. He took a slave for a wife. He took widows for wives. He took a woman whose husband had left marks on her face for a wife. He had fat wives, skinny wives young and old wives. He did not worry about age or financial status. He showed us that Allah has made us a people of different colors and circumstances. He was kind to our mothers. He elevated all women.

I really am getting to a point where I get sad. Here is the Prophet of Allah, the Beloved of Allah. The man who was true to Allah. He conveyed the Message of Salvation to all mankind.

Folks..Allah selected him. He is the one Allah choose. This was not a random act. He was the noblest of men. He was the honest one.

Let us show respect to our Prophet. I often think of the incident in the life of the Prophet when the angles came down and took the only black spot out of his body. He was pure.

Whatever the Prophet did was 100% halaal. End of subject.
 

masihuddin

Junior Member
Jaza k Allah Khair brother Thariq 2005 on your scholarly discorse on slavery in Islam copared to Ju daism and Cristianity .There is one incident which speaks volumes about
slavery is the refsal of Hazrat Zaid bin Haris who prefered to stay with the Prophet S.A.S
instead of going with his father and uncle who came to reclaim In fact he became the Prophets adopted son and was known as such till Allah S.W.T directed that adopted son be called by their biological lineage
 

Tabassum07

Smile for Allah
:salam2:

As far as I've always understood it, concubines in that time held pretty much the same status as wives.

However, I have one question. How would we explain this matter to a non-muslim if they ask how in those times, relationships with concubines was legal, while at the same time any relationship out of wedlock was illegal?
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
:salam2:

As far as I've always understood it, concubines in that time held pretty much the same status as wives.

However, I have one question. How would we explain this matter to a non-muslim if they ask how in those times, relationships with concubines was legal, while at the same time any relationship out of wedlock was illegal?

:salam2:

You make an excellent point! I sat here thinking about it and since I'm a non-Muslim, here's what I think the difference is..not that its accurate.

A wife and concubine have the same protections. Food, shelter, clothing, bedroom rights, protection from harm, etc....

A sexual relationship outside of marriage <a contract between two parties of mutually agreed terms> is outside of that. It is based on personal desire only without any responsibilities.

I think the difference between a wife and a concubine is the rights of the woman over the man, such as monies, inheritance, status....but this is all conjecture so I could be talking out my ear...who knows.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

We really need to address this to a scholar and a historian.

Historically, after wars many women became right hand possessions. These women were the wives etc of the enemies. They were given life. They were given an option to become Muslim. Many did; many did not. Lets call a spade a spade a spade..they were war booty.

Thus they became property of the warriors.

They were saved from being raped as happens today.
They were saved from being destitute and turning to prostitution as happens today.
Think the off-springs of these women added to making Muslim community stronger.
These women did not languish in prisoner of war camp.


And many were given the most wonderful opportunity of becoming Muslim.

This is not about sex... non-Muslims get so hung up on sex. They want to rate and label and fingerpoint.

This is about war and peace. Throughout history women have been presented to another culture as a gift. This is not demeaning. It is an honor.

You present the best of your culture to another. Nothing is as beautiful as a woman.

And to my Muslims brothers and sisters...we need to be cautious. We are discussing the Prophet and the Sahaba and their behaviors.

I am not apologizing to non-Muslims. I wish they would get a brain. If they had a brain they would become Muslims.
 
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